Real Interest Rates Suggest It’s a Good Time to Buy and Hold Gold

Real means inflation adjusted. 

I calculated the real interest rate by subtracting year-over-year CPI from the current 3-month T-bill yield. 

One could also use the Fed Funds Rate or 1-month T-Bill rate as the yields are all about the same. 

The following chart puts the negative interest rate theory to the test,

Real Interest Rate vs Price of Gold 

The chart above shows the monthly gold close, not monthly highs. That explains why the 1980 top does not show.

Synopsis

Gold took off in the stagflation years then collapsed from $850 to $250 an ounce with inflation every step of the way.

Note that between 1980 and 2000, the Fed kept real interest rates in positive territory except for one minor and brief moment.

In response to the DotCom bust, housing bust,  and Covid-19 recessions, rates have been generally negative.

The first question mark around 2006, gold kept rising despite positive rates, but that is if one believes the CPI. If one factors in housing, real rates were indeed quite negative.

One might also argue the chart reflects anticipation of the financial stress of a housing collapse.

The second question mark pertains to ECB president Mario Draghi’s statement “We will do whatever it takes to save the Euro and believe me, it will be enough”.  

Simultaneously, in the US, expectations there was endless speculation about Fed normalization, ending QE, Tapering, hiking rates, etc. 

People actually believed the Fed would do all those things and that made for a rough spell as gold fell from over $1900 an ounce to around $1100.

Timing vs Magnitude

Real interest rates suggest nothing about magnitude of the move. Rather, it’s a directional indicator. 

It goes along with what I have stated previously about faith in central banks. 

When the Fed has positive real rates, gold tends to do poorly. 

Real interest rates approached 7% in early 1980’s. If that happened now, the 3-month T-bill would yield an astonishing 12%. 

How likely is that?

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kiers
kiers
4 years ago
2 years ago, some *noise* was created on youtube finance channels about “the dollar milkshake theory”….. trust me, it was as much noise as you can get for a semi reputable outlet on finance.  Well…..things have turned out quite the opposite.   Give this inflation scare due to covid outages another quarter, and we’ll see what yellen has up her tin foil hat!
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
When I was a young guppy my first assignment in the water was a three-month stint on the gold desk. I haven’t been into gold since I saw what really happens in that market between the producers, buyers and traders. There are better inflation hedges in my opinion and since in a real Mad Max world gold would not have any value whatsoever I stay away. That’s just my personal view. It could go up but without me.  
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“I haven’t been into gold since I saw what really happens in that market between the producers, buyers and traders.”
I would think that would apply to any market. Martin Armstrong loves to talk about the Buffett silver manipulation in the late 90’s, as well as how the Big Boys on Wall Street wanted him to become a member of their club. 
Corzine was the father of laddering, artificially boosting the price of IPO’s. He later pledged clients segregated accounts on what became some bad bets, destroying those clients accounts.
Eight brokerage analysts  simultaneously put a higher price target on Google as it went into double top resistance, just before it fell some 70 dollars a share over the next month or so.
UBS had a strong buy recommendation on Enron all the way down till 4 days before it declared bankruptcy.
An insider exposed that Goldman Sachs advisors called their clients, Muppets.
Energy traders derisively referring to “Aunt Millie,” as they jacked up energy prices in a supply crisis.
 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
There are different shades of dirty. The gold market has a few big producers and a few big buyers. It’s very concentrated and they do what they want to the price. Most markets have many more actors and although not exactly fair or free they do end up being a real market.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
… a odd 20 years ago, gold was worth 250$/ounce, my late father told me at the time, I should buy at least 100 K and hold on to it ,  my private banker thought it was a silly idea, so I didn t buy after all. 10 years later when I finally realised what a ponzi scheme the financial system had become, I finally did buy some and am doing fine with no intention to sell ….and to think 100K $ would ve been worth 800K by now…I do regret not having paid attention to ‘old folks’ wisdom….
bayleaf
bayleaf
4 years ago
With the advent of QE starting in 2008, there doesn’t seem to be any meaningful correlation between the 3 month yield and CPI.
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
yes , well founded data points ,  I foolishly thought the feds would attempt some form of normalization post last recession as they have in the past. And  and they did but retreated in haste . At this juncture low rates appear ad infinitum.  I do feel however cryptos/intangible assets    have taken some shine off the barbaric  relic.   also I don’t see how bond prices haven’t dropped  reflecting  this negative rate .    
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Gold vs Stocks 1970 to 2020.
Implies that when gold is in a bull market then stocks are in a bear market.
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
Just as interest rates have been manipulated, the price of gold can be manipulated as well.  So just because it has done well in the past when real rates were negative, it doesn’t mean it will do well this time around.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Isn’t gold an international thing? If so, sure, the US is a big deal, but there are a few other places that might have a wee bit of effect on the trading value of gold. The EU, China, Japan, India, South Africa, and Indonesia come to mind.
What doesn’t seem to be talked about are the odds the US pulls genius moves from the ’30’s. Like confiscating gold.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
The main reason they confiscated Gold was to allow the Fed to expand the money supply. At the time the dollar was backed by 40% Gold. That isn’t the case now so they can increase the money supply without the need of Gold. 
You’re correct about Gold being international, real rates, asset prices and other alternatives will also affect decisions about swapping paper money for Gold.
Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago

Gold is just another asset to hedge agaisnt real inflation. So is real estate and stock. If you think asset prices eventually have to deflate then gold will deflate as well. I thought we would muddle our way through this but now I think we are going to get massive inflation followed by a crash of epic proportions followed by something akin to civil war. My prediction is this happens within the next two years before the economy resets and then gets back to normal around 2024.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Odds are overwhelming the Fed keeps real interest rates negative. 
History suggests that is usually, not always, a good time to be in gold.
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
what you’re saying is…”Odds are overwhelming the S&P500 will continue to jack up prices in excess of nominal rates”. …..WHO’S gonna pay these bloated prices?  Republicans are blocking minimum wage, blocking social spending, so this is in effect “bleed the middle class dry inflation”.
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
I really don’t see any correlation.
numike
numike
4 years ago
Wage
increases and other rising expenses are being “passed on” to the
consumer, we’re told. But we’re looking in all the wrong places for the
true costs of how we live. https://newrepublic.com/article/162708/chipotle-burrito-cost-consumer-prices-wages
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Excellently illustrated, been a good time and continues to be a good time to buy and hold some gold in one’s portfolio. If inflation gets much hotter its game over unless interest rates go way up. And when they go way up the gigantic air pocket under asset prices will go whoosh!!!
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
I can’t draw much from the real interest rate, Gold price Chart, I certainly wouldn’t want to use it as a directional indicator. All I would deduce is that Gold is more attractive at very low real rates than at very high rates.
In the last few decades of the 20th century there was a real fear of inflation and after the Central Banks tamed it by jacking up interest rates to ridiculous levels people believed they’d do the same again if serious inflation returned. Gold which has a cost to store and no income therefore wasn’t seen as an important asset to hold from about 1982 onwards. Plus I suspect many people lost a lot of money and it put them off. Perhaps it was the introduction of ETFs that kick started it again (or at least boosted it) in the 2000’s.
Now and for a few years, the mindset has changed because QE didn’t trigger inflation and the Central Banks and Governments seem convinced they can do what they want without causing significant inflation. They also seem to believe they could get it under control again quickly so they have no intention of trying to stop it in its tracks by raising rates substantially in a short space if time. Therefore I can’t see that small changes in real rates will put people off holding Gold at the moment and as you say a large change is not very likely.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Stagflation does seem probable… the value of all that money the government is handing out has to come from somewhere, and it sure as hell ain’t comin’ from the rich.  The poors will be further debased.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Believe it or not, it is not so farfetched. The rally in bonds for the last 40 years has probably come to an end. Higher interest at some point are in the cards.  
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Do not make the mistake of assuming that US interest rates will ever rise meaningfully,
because intrinsically worthless, un-backed, fake “money” cannot and does not earn interest.
Case in point – Venezuela.
“Official” (low-ball) inflation rate is 2,445%.
10-year Government Bond yields 10.43%
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
Who on earth buys their bonds I wonder? 
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
I would imagine just the Central Bank, with freshly created, worthless “money”.
Then it is put into circulation through government spending.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
No one I know thought that 15% back in the day was possible, this time around, it could get really crazy. Of course, if they don’t do something about this “transit” inflation, the whole shithouse could go up in flames, literally. 
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
  • You cannot compare the late 1970’s – early 1980’s with today.
The debt level today is many orders of magnitude higher. The amount of productive capacity required to service the current amount of debt at rates that are even marginally higher than today’s simply does not exist. A deflationary Black Hole of debt defaults would quickly swallow the economy whole. We got a brief taste of that in late 2018 when short-term rates briefly reached 3%. The amount of debt in the system is so much higher now that even 2% is unthinkable.

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