Russia Strike Near Poland Kills 35, Biden Warns of Full Force NATO Response and WWIII

March 13, 2022

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Face the Nation YouTube clip, Annotations by Mish

Ukraine Update

A Russian airstrike hit a Ukrainian military-training center near the border with Poland, one day after Moscow warned the West that it would consider arms deliveries to Ukraine as legitimate targets.
Russia fired missiles into Lviv, Ukraine for the first time.
The number of people fleeing Ukraine now tops 2.6 million
Russia is dropping a digital iron curtain over its population, creating a big, new fracture in the global internet
U.S. Journalist Brent Renaud Killed in Ukraine
U.S. Warns ‘Full Force’ of NATO Would Respond if Russia Hits Poland

Face the Nation Prelude

Biden Warns of WW III

“A direct confrontation between NATO and Russia is World War Three, something we must strive to prevent,” said president Biden in the above video clip.

Climate Change Warning

A nuclear war would kill tens of millions of people and “prove disastrous for climate change” 🙄 pic.twitter.com/I6oWa3TTco

— Daniel Lacalle (@dlacalle_IA) March 13, 2022

Disastrous or a godsend? Regardless, the mention, in context, is truly absurd.

Jake Sullivan on Face the Nation

US National Security Advisor was on CBS’ Face the Nation.

Jake Sullivan says the U.S. will impose “appropriate consequences” against Russia for the death of American journalist Brent Renaud.

Sullivan discusses the death of Renaud and Russia’s use of chemical weapons.

Poland’s president said use of a weapon of mass destruction would be a “game changer for NATO”.

However, Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan quoted Biden as saying “US military forces in Ukraine were completely off the table even if a weapon like this was used.”

“Is that the case?” Brennan asked Sullivan.

In a non-answer, Sullivan would only say “We are consulting with our allies and collectively we are communicating directly to the Russians. Sitting before you today, I am not going to go further than what President Biden said on Friday, they the Russians would pay a severe price if they were to move forward with chemical weapons.”

Trying again, Brennan asked Sullivan “Is there any red line? Is this a game changer?”

Sullivan again ducked the question answering “The use of weapons of mass destruction would be a shocking additional line that Putin is crossing in terms of his assault on international law.”

Sullivan ducked additional questions by Brennan on presidential and Secretary of State contact with Putin.

“I am not going to get specific about the nature of our communications with the Russians,” replied Sullivan

Sullivan is not authorized to say or commit to anything. Alternatively, he has no clear idea himself what is actually going on.

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Webej

2 years ago

People like to speculate. Here’s a good question.

What would have happened if Ukraine had accepted the ceasefire offered Feb 22/23 after the LDNR was recognized, instead of lobbing even more shells at Russian peace-keepers arriving in Donetsk? The offer was to discuss the borders of the LDNR.

Webej

2 years ago

U.S. Journalist Brent Renaud Killed in Ukraine

By a Russian bullet? Ukrainian? Deliberately?

We don’t know anything.

A Russian airstrike hit a Ukrainian military-training center near the border with Poland

So what’s the big deal? Well, it’s a NATO training centre, a piece of US soil as it were.

Just the thing the Russians are maddest about … US advisors & training, US/NATO building infrastructure for weapons placement, US encouraging Ukraine to fight Russians (DonBas) down to the last Ukrainian.

White Phosphorus … Chemical weapons?

White phosphorus was more an American thing.

How could the Russian operation possibly benefit? They have used very little of the potential fire power they could unleash.

This is as good as a another false flag announcement. Only PR benefit is to Ukraine, and US gets to deflect the revelations about biolab weapons research.

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to Webej

Good points.

Thalamus

2 years ago

The Ukrainian military is responsible for most of the civilian killing via false flags to provoke the west to join the fight. The CIA controls Ukraine. The Luciferians want WWIII, and have been provoking Putin for years to invade, but now that the C19 psyop isn’t working they are stepping the provocations up.

Scooot

2 years ago

Reply to Thalamus

Since when has provocation been a satisfactory defence for murder.

“I wasn’t getting on very well with my neighbour and he provoked me, so I killed him.” I can’t see a jury letting me off with that, can you?

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to Scooot

Hey Scoot. Are you not being a bit hypocritical by bemoaning this while conveniently forgetting that we did this to Iraq, Libya, and a host of other nations?

People will tune you out if you engage in double-standards. Principles, by definition, do not shift to suit the occasion.

William Janes

2 years ago

Reply to Thalamus

Poor little Russia, forced to decimate Ukraine and their people.

grazzt

2 years ago

Reply to William Janes

Poor little America, forced to decimate Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria,…. “We Must Fight Them Over There So We Don’t Have to Fight Them Over Here”. US has around a 6,000 mile buffer and an ocean in-between, yet ‘National Security’ was at risk.

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to grazzt

The hypocrisy is disgusting to witness. It’s attributed to character and vapidity of principles.

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to William Janes

Poor little USA, forced to decimate Iraq and it’s people via sanctions and collateral damage that led ot half a million dead.

Forked tongue? Might want to see a surgeon for that.

KidHorn

2 years ago

This whole thing is a complete state department disaster. The war could have been easily avoided if we left Ukraine alone. Instead we had to force them into NATO. Even if they somehow joined NATO, how would that have benefitted us? Would it have led to the fall of Russia? Even if it did, how does that help us? We would have another unstable nuclear power like North Korea. And it would have left them open for plundering. But China, by far our biggest geopolitical enemy, would have been much better positioned to take advantage than the US. Our state department seems to always make stupid decisions. Insanely incompetent.

Dutoit

2 years ago

Reply to KidHorn

I think that the main thing is that this country has very separate parts. One of them has close historical links with Russia. The other side is rather closed to the west. The 2014 coup, prepared for a long time by the west (this was admitted by Victoria Nuland) gave complete power to the western part, that decided to eradicate every trace of the Russian heritage. Cities that always had only a Russian name were given a Ukrainian one, Russian was prohibited in legal documents, TV channels in Russian were closed, etc. This provoked the secession of Donetsk and Lugansk and exile of hundred thousands of eastern Ukrainians in Russia.

I think that the big fault of the West was to support exclusively one part of the country, to the detriment of the other part, and in fact to divide deeply the country. This country could have been made a link between the West and the East, and any help should have been given only if it participated to the union of the two parts.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Dutoit

About 2 million to Russia, and 1 million to the West, a little more than the current refugee surge, drawing down the population from 6.6 to 3.6 million for the two oblasts. And 14,000 casualties, about 10× as many as currently, most through deliberate war crimes, shelling apartment buildings. Still all in all only a fraction of the carnage caused (millions and millions) in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, etc.

NATO has succeeded in convincing Russia that now is the time to prevent another June 22, 1941 before it’s too late, building an anti-Russian army in Ukraine and military infrastructure to place advanced weapons, along with the threat of nuclear weapons. All taking the traditional root through Russia’s unprotected underbelly. Also convinced Russia that the West is implacable in seeking Russia’s destruction, dismemberment and privatization of natural resources by the Empire.

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to Webej

^^^ High-information people (Dutoit and Webej) who don’t spout emotional and hypocritical arguments out of their backside.

Yes, genocide in the Donbass HAS been going on since 2014. Yes, Maidan was a US Intelligence coup d’etat of a legitimate government.

See, most people do not know that because their favorite Mainstream Narrative didn’t tell them to think nor believe that.

Dutoit

2 years ago

Some informations (from the Russian side) appear in

link to southfront.org

This site is mainly about wars (anywhere), with maps, and of course now almost only about Ukrain. Many videos, some from media, mainly from smartphones. The media and official videos are symmetrical to what we have in western medias: for example, civilians are killed by the enemies. What is absent from western media is the important role in the east of troops from LPR and DPR (the two separatist republics). They know perfectly the place (it is their land) and the people there.

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to Dutoit

I go there everyday. Yes it has almost as much BS propaganda as the western mainstream narrative but at least you can sort some semblance of truth out of both.

Know what is hilarious? People really think that Russia is losing this war. Tell that to the two encircled cauldrons of soon-to-be-dead Ukrainian Armies to the South, just north of the LNR and DNR.

Doug78

2 years ago

So much for the Russian Army’s reputation as something to fear and for Putin’s reputation as playing 5-D chess. Russia still has nuclear weapons but looking at the Russian army’s state I wonder how many of them actually work. That must give Putin pause. His underlings were chosen for loyalty and not competence so he must wonder what other lies he was fed.

prumbly

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

The easiest job in the world at the moment must be as a war correspondent for a Western “News” organization. All you have to do is take whatever the Ukrainians say and pass it on as a fact. No need to verify anything. Video game footage from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense becomes established reality, as if by magic. Claims of huge numbers of dead civilians and Russian soldiers (but strangely no Ukrainian soldiers, other than the 13 heroic defenders of Snake Island who died tragic deaths defending their country – only to reappear later as Russian prisoners) get passed along as fact.

I have no better information about how well (or otherwise) the Russian invasion is going, but I will tell you this – it cannot possibly be anything like the absurd narrative we are being fed by our lazy, propagandist media organizations.

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to prumbly

Like Putin, you are being fed faulty information and as a consequence reaching faulty conclusions as to the efficacy of the Russian Armed Forces.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

And where are the facts feeding your groundless speculations about the actual operation?

FrankieCarbone

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

With all due respect you obviously listen to the mainstream narrative as your sole source of “perception”.

Russia is bogged down in Kyiv but they are waiting for their main force to finish off two Ukrainian armies cut off in a pincer movement creating a double cauldron of death for them with no way out. BTW, those cowards are also burrowed into the civilian population, using them as human shields. Talk about scumbags.

When the main force in the south is relieved of the duty to kill all of those that really really deserve it (Donbass massacre 2914-2022 – a take no prisoners, execution on-the-spot order has been issued for all members of the Azov Battalion and Right Sector – I call it a just death penalty for genocide) and link up the Kyiv is done. And if not then the gloves come off and you’ll be moaning about that. Let’s be honest. Russia has not applied it’s full capabilities for long-term strategic reasons, and that is strategically smart. She wants to keep Ukraine as intact as possible but if things still remain stagnant in Kyiv and the body count escalates then expect all hell to be unleashed, cause’ it’s been held back so far.

Seriously you need to look at ALL sides of the story if you actually want the truth and not just your biases confirmed and that means translating Malay or Hindi (or whatever is not western) papers using Google Translate. Look at news from countries with no dog in this fight and you’ll see that Russia is FAR from losing and has indeed held back at expense of casualties, something we’d NEVER do.

You’re listening/watching too much narrative and not enough bona fide news. BTW. Ukraine is OUR fault, not the Russians. That’s a fact.

Ron Cataldi

2 years ago

“Sullivan is not authorized to say or commit to anything. Alternatively, he has no clear idea himself what is actually going on. “

I’m surprised that you haven’t picked up on how the Biden admin is managing Europe. The US administration is not going to get ahead of the Europeans. Biden is not running the show, he’s not putting the US out front, and he’s trying to avoid boxing in the Europeans. It’s textbook alliance building. Sullivan showed good discipline in this interview. I think you should be more humble, considering you were poo-pooing Biden’s predictions of the invasion right up until they actually were proven true. It seems like the administration has a much clearer idea of what’s going on than you have lately.

prumbly

2 years ago

Reply to Ron Cataldi

A lot of people didn’t expect Russia would invade Ukraine because they believed that the US would negotiate a deal with Russia that Ukraine would not join NATO and this would avert a crisis. Of course, now we realize that Brandon (or rather his puppet-masters) were way too arrogant and/or stupid to do this deal and hence we are where we find ourselves. And, incredibly, they still refuse to negotiate while the Ukrainians and the rest of the world suffers.

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to prumbly

If Biden were smart, we would have put a line of USA+NATO forces on the other side of the Ukraine border when Russia was doing their so-called exercises, just in case. Instead, he wasted weeks proclaiming “they are going to invade”. If the USA+NATO had troops face-to-face then Putin would have had the opportunity to decide if he wanted to start WWIII.

“…you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?”

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Yeah, and get the whole NATO elite force killed in a week?

honestcreditguy

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

thats a bit much….if they would have listened to Kissinger, Paul etc…this would be for not…..military complex is nato

lil_neezy

2 years ago

Reply to prumbly

Lol. You can’t be serious. This is “Brandon’s” fault huh? Yeah why didn’t Brandon, whoever he is, actually negotiate with the totally rational and REAL leader putin?? Makes perfect sense, and believe you me the rest of the world believes it: It’s all Brandon’s fault!! If only some negotiation would happen, everyone would be saved. A lot of people NEVER see it coming!!! *Except anyone with some sense

Sadly, our econ blogger (Mish…in case you Russian do not know what blog you post on) had drank the Kool aid (I think he’s back now; unlike you). He didn’t believe the invasion could ever happen. I mean, Vlad is very smart man, no?? I guess Russians never really did invade…..the Ukrainians want to get rid of the Nazis, right? It’s a special military action. It helps them. All is well

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Reply to prumbly

The fact that you keep calling him Brandon shows how seriously we should take you.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to prumbly

What spooked the Russians was

Imminent attack by Ukraine in the DonBas (which they had been building up for more than a year)
Mention of nuclear weapons by Zelensky at the Munich Conference early February
Germany ridiculing the crisis in the DonBas (3 million refugees, 14,000 casualties), a crisis greater in magnitude than the current one so far.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Ron Cataldi

Not outflanking the Europeans?

He has brought all the NPC poodles to heal perfectly.

Why do you think Russia wants a peace treaty with the US, and doesn’t care about NATO or Macron?

Russians only see forward positioning of enemy forces injected into countries on their borders.

Robbyrob

2 years ago

Many recognize the importance of coercive measures against Russia and necessity to give it a way out

And yet, some presume that the way out should be given to Putin to force him to negotiate. That’s a disastrous idea. There’s no way he can roll back now

link to twitter.com

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to Robbyrob

This is how we treat Putin. Let’s go skin some bear!

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Retired Gen. McCaffrey stuns MSNBC host with plan to cripple Putin’s army in Ukraine

March 13, 2022

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey appeared to stun MSNBC host Alex Witt on Sunday morning where he put the chances of Vladimir Putin using nukes at “zero” and urged NATO forces to destroy the Russian military forces on the ground in Ukraine before they begin their final assault on Kyiv.

According to the very animated retired general, Putin is in “so over his head” by invading Ukraine and not anticipating how citizens of the country would fight back and that it is time to bring about an abrupt end to the unprovoked invasion.

“Twenty-seven former ambassadors and foreign policy officials are calling on President Biden to create a limited no-fly zone over humanitarian quarters in Ukraine, arguing this can be done without risking direct engagement with Russia. Do you agree? ” host Witt asked. “I mean, how is that? Doesn’t that up the calculus for errors and mismanagement and then problems that could lead to a much worse situation?”

“Well, it’s sheer nonsense, hopeful thinking, makes no sense from an air power perspective,” McCaffrey shot back. “We’re either going to go in and confront Russian air power and the ground air defense artillery and the 400 anti-aircraft system, which mostly is still in Russia, or we’re not going to have any impact on the outcome.”

….

link to rawstory.com

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Another retired “expert”, completely out of touch with the actual forces in play.

NATO would be annihilated. The aircraft carrier groups would be sunk. NATO/US would suffer casualties that they’ve never imagined. The Russians might just lob a few zircons on the white house and the pentagon.

The situation in Ukraine would escalate 1000× fold if Russia were to unleash actual firepower.

honestcreditguy

2 years ago

Reply to Webej

yes, that guy is nuts, the military complex of US has talk show puppets like this general who think of men as pawns

Robbyrob

2 years ago

This is an incredible analysis of how Putin’s invasion of the world will re-order the global world, largely for the better. By a leading Chinese policy thinker, in Shanghai, originally written in Chinese. Brief thread, but read the whole thing

link to twitter.com

hmk

2 years ago

Reply to Robbyrob

Thanks for the link a great article.

ohno

2 years ago

Reply to Robbyrob

So after all of that is it full steam ahead with “you will own nothing and like it?”

Columbo

2 years ago

It’s been reported that ahead of more negotiations in the next few days the Ukrainian Mikhaylio Podolyak said talks had become more constructive. Both sides hope to soon arrive at a “joint position.” That’s the first time I have heard any positive comments from the Ukrainian side regarding peace talks. Lets hope something real will come of it and all involved can calm down.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Columbo

hey , very nice that would be, only problem bein’, the fn US don t want peace… just sayin’…

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Columbo

So, talks are just about to begin.

Wonder if the Russians will drop all their demands even while advancing on all fronts?

CristiC

2 years ago

India, China, Pakistan are all censoring the Internet. Russia is just following the trend given that West is weaponizing the Internet.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Anything about US military labs in Ukraine by any chance ? I DO hope corrupt basket case Ukraine SURRENDERS, even without US’ explicit permission…..and US…. get your fat a ss out of Europe, we ll be fine without you, although our corrupt brainless idiots we have for leaders don t seem to realise it yet …..only a matter of time though… especially when you stop bribing and/or armtwisting them into following your fn insane outright criminal insane policy ! …

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

You’ve got a bit of spittle on your chin…

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

Au contraire. US has brought their NPC NATO poodles to heel.

hmk

2 years ago

Sounds like the MIC is priming us for a false flag. Profits uber alles. No mention in the media that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on earth and that the current corrupt CIA installed pro US president of Ukraine has 1.5 billion USD in offshore accounts. No bad for a comedian. He should be hung for betraying Ukraine. This could have been settled diplomatically, instead he is forcing every male under 60 to stay and die fighting the Russians. How benevolent.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to hmk

THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for a GREAT comment ! I mean it !

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to hmk

… and yet, he stays in Ukraine, where he is sure to die soon, rallying his people.

Liar.

hmk

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

Well mission accomplished then. I doubt he dies, but if he does good riddance. Liar wtf part of my post is untrue you moron..

Jojo

2 years ago

Ukraine has started using Clearview AI’s facial recognition during war

March 13, 2022

March 13 (Reuters) – Ukraine’s defense ministry on Saturday began using Clearview AI’s facial recognition technology, the company’s chief executive told Reuters, after the U.S. startup offered to uncover Russian assailants, combat misinformation and identify the dead.

Ukraine is receiving free access to Clearview AI’s powerful search engine for faces, letting authorities potentially vet people of interest at checkpoints, among other uses, added Lee Wolosky, an adviser to Clearview and former diplomat under U.S. presidents Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

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link to reuters.com

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Life gettin better by the fn day, ain t it kiddo?

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Over the last dozen years or so the biggest overstayers of visitors visas in the US have been Russians. I have to openly wonder now how many of these people have infiltrated their way into US society but are actually operatives sent by Putin. I notice the ones in my area use to work at an Eastern European bank with ties to Russia. They were busted and forced into receivership by a US bank while the DoJ seized $800M in money that was laundered by the bank with mafia ties to Russia and Mexico. I see these people with families here and they only associate with other Russians and I wonder if they are amongst communities everywhere and about to be put into action.

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

This was mentioned on a conference call with Homeland Security a couple weeks ago. They were concerned with Russian militia groups being raised and targeting infrastructure if things escalate and were monitoring Russian communities.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

Paranoia….this is called…. I think ….if one is still allowed to think anyway….but that would be another, rather acute topic , would it not ?

Doug78

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

I wonder how many have been turned already. I bet a lot.

prumbly

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

Reds under the bed, eh?

randocalrissian

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

“The Americans.” Would make for a compelling TV Drama. Oh Wait… .

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

Good point.

Let’s have a repeat of the Japanese and German interment camps.

TexasTim65

2 years ago

If Biden and the West truly want to stop an accidental confrontation with Russia all they have to do stop all sanctions on Russia, stop all aid to the Ukraine (money, arms etc) and tell Ukraine to surrender.

War would be over tomorrow. Ukraine gets thrown under the bus of course, but WW III definitely doesn’t start over the Ukraine and we all aren’t glowing radioactively.

The question is if there is accidental collateral damage in Poland does the West do anything (because Ukraine could easily fire a couple missiles into Poland in an attempt to drag in the West). No one knows the answer to that at the moment.

StukiMoi

2 years ago

Reply to TexasTim65

Not that I’m cheering on Russia in this, but the US simply has zero business even knowing whether a place called Ukraine exists or not. Much less endanger lives by silly posturing.

And, in all honesty, the Russian incursion in Syria was always a lot less “justified,” as were every single US incursion anywhere since at least the Missile crisis; than a Russian one aimed at preventing openly hostile foreign militaries from obtaining carte blanche access to one of Russian biggest next door neighbors.

Anyone who claims to care about peace, would be opposed to NATO military presence in Ukraine. The Ukranian ruling clique likely do care about peace to some extent, at least in their home country; but they obviously care even more about the license they feel an implied backstop by The West affords them. Even when that implied backstop would inevitably increase the risk of war, or at least very hot conflict, between two awfully well armed superpowers. While they do seem to be a scrappy bunch willing to fight to death for “their” country; and that’s no doubt admirable in isolation; strategically cautious, even in areas wrt acts which could turn REALLY bad, they are not.

prumbly

2 years ago

Reply to TexasTim65

“Ukraine gets thrown under the bus”

News Flash! Ukraine is already under the bus. How would peace be any worse than what they are going through now?

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to TexasTim65

If that happened, Moldavia would go under the bus next, then Poland, then Finland.

Never appease a manlet.

whirlaway

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

Ah, Domino Theory 2. The first one got 2 to 3 million people killed. How many people will the West get killed this time?

danaceve

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

Disagree with this. Putin just wanted security guarantees like he has said from the beginning. The arrogant U.S./Nato caused this clusterfck starting in 2014.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

What makes you think that?

There is no evidence whatsoever that Russians fear Moldavia.

If they do not have American troops on their soil, there is no problem.

Jojo

2 years ago

I’ve been reading various news sources and watching three TV stations (CNN, MSNBC, BBC) yet have not seen any features/stories from the MSM about the Russian POW’s that have been caught. .

Stories of captured Russian soldiers need to get on the MSM, for those will be most likely to make their way into Russia.

Other psychological warfare approaches should be tried also, from littering the streets with millions of leaflets telling the Russian that they are being mislead, offering a home of they switch sides and putting speakers in trees/buildings that offer benefits to Russians that surrender.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

L O L ! CNN, BBC ….yeah, that s where the the TRUTH is to be found these days ! Just like the msm induced vaxxination scam, merely serving Big Pharma and its innumerous fn cronies…..just the same !

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

gullible idiot

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

You’re no longer writing anything interesting or useful. Welcome to my ignore list. I won’t be seeing your posts any longer. Bye-buh.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

….the truth is hard to deal with ….I know

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

…and you’ve never been able to manage it, preferring to dwell in your fascist fantasy land.

CristiC

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Torturing POWs into making false claims on TV is a war crime. Ukrainian TV will show it. But others are still reluctant to become war criminal.

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to CristiC

No torture necessary. They are volunteering!

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Captured Russian soldiers fear firing squad as funerals ‘already arranged’ back home

A Kremlin soldier, who gave himself up to Ukrainian forces, said his funeral has already been ‘arranged for him’ in Russia as he reports of demoralised troops continue to come out

11 Mar 2022

link to mirror.co.uk

thimk

2 years ago

Yes iron curtain 2.0 emerges. Tip in to russion v logger as he explains in detail what is going on . May be his last post . The old russia is coming back . some utube posts making it through . Russian citizens will become pariahs and isolated; trapped in their own country. NO big mac for Russia anymore nor Adidas sneakers for the gopnicks .

link to youtube.com

Russia to nationalize foreign companies leaving.

link to msn.com

StukiMoi

2 years ago

Reply to thimk

“Yes iron curtain 2.0 emerges.”

To the extent it does, roles will have been reversed.

It’s China and Russia who are on the free trade side now. With the decaying, no longer competitive, West, being the ones making up one excuse sillier than the next; for protecting uncompetitive, incompetent but connected oligarchs from open competition.

Eddie_T

2 years ago

Twitterverse now saying Putin is asking China to assist him Ukraine, and that they might. No confirmation on this, but I find it believable and highly disturbing. We don’t need escalation…this is Putin threatening WWIII.

Eddie_T

2 years ago

Reply to Eddie_T

link to twitter.com

thimk

2 years ago

Reply to Eddie_T

Hmm China involved in proxy war ? can’t imagine where they got the idea . /s

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Eddie_T

Why doesn t the US just get its war crap pin’ fat *ss out of our fn yard ? Ukraine would ‘behave’ and peace would reign in our, yes, O U R fn Europe ….Right ? Cheap gas, oil metals, wheat, fertilisers in other words EVERYTHING would be OURS……The fn US wouldn t like it of course …. and as we still need fn reserve currency dollars we have to obey ,haven’ t we ? Let me tell me this though, by sanctioning Russia financialy the way you ve been doin in recent weeks the US Dollar is signing its irreversible death certificate …..No doubt about it!

ajc1970

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

The 35% of Americans who’d love to see the US out of your fn yard are the 35% of Americans that you and the rest of Europe hate most

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to ajc1970

I do admit I ve had half a bottle of wine, but I am afraid that even tomorrow morning your comment won t make sense to me at all ….Thanks anyway…

ajc1970

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

Glad I’m not the only one who mixes internet posts with a 1/2 bottle of wine.

1/3 of the US population has isolationist tendencies and they tend to be the ones who support Trump

They’d love to see the all US troops back on US soil, except during a declared war

Scooot

2 years ago

Reply to Eddie_T

I’m not sure why Russia would need any military equipment from anybody.

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to Scooot

Because Russia equipment does not seem be well maintained.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Scooot

The equipment is for the sale of ramen noodles to add variety to the mess kits.

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to Eddie_T

Xi Jinping beginning to turn on Putin as nervous China snubs Russia’s plea for help

PRESSURE is beginning to mount on Chinese leader Xi Jinping to turn away from Russia with the Beijing elite understood to be angry over Vladimir Putin’s “full-throttle” invasion.

Sat, Mar 12, 2022

Xi Jinping is feeling the pressure over his close alliance with Vladimir Putin as the war in Ukraine continues to intensify. It is understood that China is slowly beginning to turn on Russia as Moscow suffers economic sanctions and diplomatic isolation from the West. Sky News Australia host Chris Smith told viewers that China “may not be so bonded to Vladimir Putin as we thought”.

This comes as even Beijing residents told Sky News this week that “Putin was the problem” despite Chinese state media largely still parroting Russian talking points.

….

link to express.co.uk

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Enjoy your imagination ….I d say ….

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Strategically China likes this war as weakens the West while allows China to keep progressing.

The Chinese are taking a page from US playbook.

USA only became strong when Europe mortgaged their wealth to America during WW1, and again in WW2.

CristiC

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Fake news, as usual, from Jojo

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to CristiC

Here’s more news for you.

——-

Meanwhile In China, All Hell Is Breaking Loose

Monday, Mar 14, 2022 – 02:07 AM

link to zerohedge.com

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to CristiC

And even more!

——

Under New Scrutiny: China’s Nuclear Pledge to Ukraine

Beijing’s 2013 promise to protect Ukraine in a nuclear attack appears to now further muddy its stance on Russia’s invasion

March 11, 2022 9:00 am ET

An unusual and mostly forgotten pledge Chinese President Xi Jinping signed eight years ago that China would protect Ukraine in the event of a nuclear attack is getting fresh attention following Russia’s invasion of its Eastern European neighbor.

China’s 2013 promise to Ukraine of unspecified security guarantees echoed the kind of commitment nuclear-armed states—including China—have long made to nonnuclear ones, assurances that the U.S., U.K. and Russia had earlier also extended directly to Ukraine for relinquishing Soviet-era weapons. Yet Beijing appeared to be promising more than it had in past commitments, and why it singled out Ukraine for such an arrangement has confounded nuclear experts ever since.

…

link to wsj.com

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Reply to Eddie_T

This would explain why Chinese state media is now reporting positive stories about Russia to their citizens. Proxy wars are how world wars start. I thought the Chinese were smarter than Putin, who chose unwisely. He now seems willing to pull in China. Evidently they are not smart enough to resist him. Putin performing Jedi mind tricks on the Chinese.

Jcbl

2 years ago

Thanks for posting this Mish. I needed a good laugh and certainly got it as I laughed out loud upon reading that nuclear war would be bad for climate change. It simply boggles my mind that someone could think such a thing let alone write it down and publish it.

StukiMoi

2 years ago

Reply to Jcbl

“It simply boggles my mind that someone could think such a thing let alone write it down and publish it. “

The ones who write down and publish such drivel, do so specifically because they lack the facilities to think.

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to Jcbl

I’d think it would help, by removing a few billion emitters.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Zardoz

It’s called nuclear winter, 10 years no crops in the Northern Hemisphere.

After that, who knows. But definitely a huge short-term global decrease in insolation.

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

BTW a Russian drone crossed into 3 NATo countries before crashing into cars in a parking lot in Croatia. Likely reconnaissance to see how NATO might respond to an incursion into the Baltic states. Putin will keep testing how far he can go until he is stopped.

Doug78

2 years ago

Just some more reasons not to be in the markets. We have incredible in incertitudes and the only guidebook we have dates to the Cold War. Since I lived through it my gut is telling we will win bigly so for me the problem, aside from nuclear war, is when is the buying point in time and level. It’s nice to have cash.

Scooot

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

“is when is the buying point in time and level.”

No idea but my guess is a year later than you think. 🙂

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to Doug78

Will be lots of rebuilding after a nuke war.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

especially with half the population dead or dying…. Sometimes I really do wonder how many people on this fn earth are outright fn dumb idiots …..I do ….every fn day by now actually…..

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

That’s because you’re trapped in your body with one.

Captain Ahab

2 years ago

FYI, this is the same Jake Sullivan who lied to Congress concerning the Perkins Coie lawyer, Sussmann’s role in RussiaGate. In other words, he contributed to greatest hoax and coverup in US history. He has all the indicia of a congenital liar when it comes to anything to do with Russia.

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Reply to Captain Ahab

As always trying to change the subject. And yes there are connections between Trump, Deutsche Bank and Russia. This is why oligarchs have real estate in Trump tower. Well at last until a couple of weeks ago.

link to lawfareblog.com

Captain Ahab

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

Do you NOT understand? Sullivan is a lackey. He’s a democrat mouthpiece rolled out to deliver the message to morons.

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Reply to Captain Ahab

Yes that is true. That is his job. You should have written just that first. If your first inkling on everything is to bring up Trump, that’s a sure fire way to keep losing your argument. This also why Trump backed candidates keep losing primaries now

Captain Ahab

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

Trump is important for one reason only. What happened to him demonstrates how far democrats will go to achieve/maintain power. By ‘maintain’ I mean the underlying control structure. The only way a ‘coup’ such as the organized take-down of Trump by the CIA, FBI, DOJ , and State would go ahead, is if the orders came from the very top. If you don’t understand that, my comment is wasted on you.

Any person capable of critical thinking, and who watched the Impeachment process, should realize a grand con-job was in process. Liars and self-opinionated public servants took control of your government.

Jmurr

2 years ago

Reply to Captain Ahab

He just doesn’t seem that intelligent after listening to a couple of interviews. Scary.

Captain Ahab

2 years ago

Reply to Jmurr

A lackey is not supposed to be intelligent. An IQ over 105 would defeat the purpose. 🙂

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

Hunter Biden connections in fn Ukraine ??

Zardoz

2 years ago

Reply to Captain Ahab

You are a Kook in the thrall of moronic Russian propaganda. Stop it.

shamrock

2 years ago

Both sides (russia and ukraine) reported significant progress in talks on Sunday. Who knows, maybe there will be a legitimate cease fire this week.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to shamrock

Let s hope common sense prevails …if only for once …..our fn future is at fn stake !

Roadrunner12

2 years ago

Reply to shamrock

I would have to question whether any peace agreement is acceptable to the US?

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Roadrunner12

that s what really matters…. go figure , a fn warmonger at the other side of the pond having to agree with matters that should be none of its business …..the EU together with Russia would ve been N° 1 in this fn world, a peaceful entity on top of that ….we could ve had it ALL…..it is just that fn US of A did not agree….

Roadrunner12

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

“that s what really matters…. go figure”

x1000

Casual_Observer2020

2 years ago

Reply to Roadrunner12

Is any peace agreement acceptable to Russia ? The US isn’t the one striking all targets everywhere in Ukraine.

FromBrussels

2 years ago

Reply to Casual_Observer2020

of course not fool ….the US ‘struck’ targets,in Ukraine with billions of reserve currency $….a moribund privilege it seems, the way things have evolved in recent weeks….

Jmurr

2 years ago

Reply to Roadrunner12

Of course not. There is no profit in peace. War is a racket and it is the health of the State.

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to shamrock

Hope so but doubt it. Easy to start war. Difficult to end war.

I am afraid this escapade has opened too many cans of worms that will be difficult to stuff back in.

Even if agreement is negotiated expect the worms to come back out like it did in Grozny in 1999 (coincidentally just when Putin took the Presidency and staged a false flag insurgency on his own people).

Roadrunner12

2 years ago

Reply to Jack

“I am afraid this escapade has opened too many cans of worms that will be difficult to stuff back in.”

I honestly believe that Ukraine and Russia could stuff the worms back in with a little difficulty. The US not so much.

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to Roadrunner12

Agree, but the longer this goes on there will less for the Ukrainians to lose.

Right now the Ukrainians could still get back on their feet, but over time, with more destruction there will little left to lose to sue for peace.

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to Jack

Unless Russia returns all seized Ukraine land and commits to devoting a significant portion of its oil/gas revenues to rebuilding the country, I expect that full sanctions should remain on Russia until, at least, Putin is no longer Russia’s ruler.

TexasTim65

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Russia would probably agree to that if the US would agree to pay back Iraq and Afghanistan for all the destruction and loss of lives there from the US invasion and occupation of those countries. Seems only fair.

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to TexasTim65

Russia has only the one choice I mentioned. This is NOT a negotiation.

TexasTim65

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

I wasn’t aware Russia was surrendering.

On the other hand the US did technically surrender in Afghanistan 🙂

Democritus

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Yeah Jojo, maybe you should advocate starting WW3 right away with a nuclear strike. To me you come across as a Beavis/Butthead-like guy with no understanding of anything.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

Russia expects to reconstitute the Ukrainian state, minus Crimea

Ukraine has always obtained gas/oil from Russia far below global pricing as a friend/brother.

prumbly

2 years ago

Reply to shamrock

And why is the US missing from these negotiations?

Mr. Purple

2 years ago

Is this how it felt on December 6, 1941?

TexasTim65

2 years ago

Reply to Mr. Purple

Nope. Not that I was alive, but on Dec 6th the US allegedly had no idea it was about to be attacked the next day. There is nothing hidden about the action in Ukraine.

Mr. Purple

2 years ago

Reply to TexasTim65

“Allegedly” lol. The Roosevelt Administration hid their intentions well!

FromBrussels

2 years ago

….and WHY wouldn’ t Russia attack a MILITARY base within the Ukraine borders ? ! It is the fn, US supported, NAZI Ukraine military that wants to continue this fn war ! Declare basket case Ukraine neutral territory and this mess is over ….BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE US of A WANTS , of course ….the US of A wants fn CONFLICT !

Jack

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

Russia should not be attacking anything in neighboring Ukraine.

Although not advocating invasion of Russia, it will need to eventually be broken up.

It is too big and complex and has always needed an authoritarian, aggressive, paranoid, and troublesome government to be held together.

Captain Ahab

2 years ago

Reply to Jack

Curiously, the same may be said of the USA, which, by the way, has proactively sought to increase NATO’s influence knowing it would antagonize Russia. Speaking of ‘paranoid; remember Cuba and the US fear of Soviet missiles nearby?

At what point does the USA stop being the world’s policeman?

Jojo

2 years ago

Reply to Jack

As I wrote in one of the other threads:

“This world is only big enough for two real superpowers – the USA + China. Putin/Russia needs to be neutralized and divided up between Europe and China.”

StukiMoi

2 years ago

Reply to Jojo

The period of increased instability which we entered 20 years ago or so, is on account of both the US and Russia increasingly being superpowers only as pertains to military matters. Hence, both of them try militarizing everything and everywhere, since it is only by doing so, either of them is able to retain any real relevance.

Webej

2 years ago

Reply to Jack

It’s this opinion shared among the think tank complex that fuels Russian perception of being under attack by the west all over again via its soft underbelly (Ukraine) for the umpth time. Every 4 generations or so the West needs to get its hass kicked to desist. The West has had a hardon for Russian statehood for centuries.

ColoradoAccountant

2 years ago

Reply to FromBrussels

It is unusual for me to agree with you, but I do see that Russia has some major grievances. Primarily the push by NATO east, which Reagan told Gorborchov would not happen. The biolabs in the Ukraine that Nuland mentioned before a Senate committee. Its not our fight because 90 percent of Americans could not find the Ukraine, or Belgium, on an unlabeled world map. “Do not get involved in foreign entangements.” The Founding Fathers

Ron Cataldi

2 years ago

Reply to ColoradoAccountant

Your kind was tragically wrong in WWII and is tragically wrong now.

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