Russia Uses Chinese Ships and Indian Refiners to Stay Ahead of Oil Sanctions

Toughest Sanctions Yet 

The week, the EU Sets Harshest Russian Sanctions, Targeting Oil and Insurance, with exemptions to Hungary.

The European Union is set to impose its toughest sanctions yet on Russia, banning imports of its oil and blocking insurers from covering its cargoes of crude, officials and diplomats say, as the West seeks to deprive Moscow of cash it needs to fund the war on Ukraine and keep its economy functioning.

The sanctions, which are expected to be completed in the coming days, are harsher than expected. The ban on insurers will cover tankers carrying Russian oil anywhere in the world. These sanctions could undercut Russia’s efforts to sell its oil in Asia. European companies insure most of the world’s oil trade.

Russian Stays One Step Ahead of Sanctions

But why will these sanctions work any better than any other set of sanctions. Shippers and refiners have been very skilled at hiding origin of Russian oil.

The Wall Street Journal explains Russian Oil Producers Stay One Step Ahead of Sanctions

In the wake of the invasion of Ukraine and sanctions from the U.S. and the European Union, traders are working to obscure the origins of Russian oil to keep it flowing. The oil is being concealed in blended refined products such as gasoline, diesel and chemicals.

Oil is also being transferred between ships at sea, a page out of the playbook used to buy and sell sanctioned Iranian and Venezuelan oil. The transfers are happening in the Mediterranean, off the coast of West Africa and the Black Sea, with oil then heading toward China, India and Western Europe, according to shipping companies.

Overall, Russian oil exports rebounded in April, after dropping in March as the first Western sanctions took effect, the International Energy Agency said. Russia’s oil exports rose by 620,000 barrels to 8.1 million barrels a day, close to its prewar levels, with the biggest increase going to India.

India has emerged as a key hub for Russian oil flows. The country’s imports have skyrocketed to 800,000 barrels a day since the war began, compared with 30,000 barrels a day previously, according to commodity-markets data company Kpler.

A refinery owned by Indian energy giant Reliance Industries Ltd. bought seven times more Russian crude in May, compared with prewar levels, making up a fifth of its total intake, according to Kpler. 

Reliance chartered an oil tanker to carry a cargo of alkylate, a gasoline component, departing from the nearby Sikka port on April 21 without a planned destination. Three days later, it updated its records with a U.S. port and sailed over, discharging its cargo on May 22 in New York.

What likely happened was Reliance took on a discounted cargo of Russian crude, refined it and then sold the product on the short-term market where it found a U.S. buyer,” said Lauri Myllyvirta, lead analyst at the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air. The organization is tracking Russian fossil fuel exports and their role in funding the Ukraine war. “It does look like there’s a trade where Russian crude is refined in India and then some of it is sold to the U.S.” 

Going Dark

To avoid large insurance costs, the ships turn off their GPS systems to go dark, then transfer oil to large megatankers such as the Lauren II, a giant Chinese crude carrier that can hold about 2 million barrels of oil.

As long as India and China are willing to bypass sanctions, the oil will get through. However, these added costs impact prices globally. 

More ships are use hauling oil from Russia to India and China instead of Russia to the EU. In turn the EU gets oil from Saudi Arabia instead of Russia. 

Sanctions drive up the price soo much that Russia is getting more money even though Russia has to discount its price significantly to find takers.

Something Only Politicians Could Concoct

The asininity of this setup is staggering. 

The desire to “do something” is so politically powerful that politicians would rather inadvertently aid Russia than do nothing at all. 

Price of Crude Jumps as EU Foolishly Doubles Down On Sanctions

Yesterday, I commented Price of Crude Jumps as EU Foolishly Doubles Down On Sanctions

That jump was short lived as Saudi Arabia allegedly considers not counting Russian oil as part of OPEC production goals. This would allow. the Arab states to pump more.

However, that rumor has bitten the dust already. 

Russia, Saudi Arabia Signal OPEC+ Is Going Strong

OilPrice reports Russia, Saudi Arabia Signal OPEC+ Is Going Strong

The OPEC+ alliance is solid, with the level of cooperation within it strong, according to a statement issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry following a meeting between Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his Saudi counterpart Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Saud.

“They noted the stabilising effect that the tight cooperation between Russia and Saudi Arabia has on world markets for hydrocarbons in this strategically important sector,” the statement said.

The news comes on the heels of a Wall Street Journal report that said some OPEC members are considering excluding Russia from the extended cartel as Western sanctions weigh on its production.

According to the report, excluding Russia from the oil production increase deal would allow other producers such as Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to boost their output more significantly, in line with requests made by the U.S. and Europe, as well as the International Energy Agency most recently.

It’s worth noting that Saudi Arabia and the UAE themselves have repeatedly signaled that they had no plans to boost crude oil production beyond their production quotas under the OPEC+ agreement. How a change in Russia’s participation in the deal could change that sentiment remains to be seen. Saudi Arabia and the UAE are the OPEC+ members with the most substantial spare production capacity.

Politicians vs Central Banks

We had a nice, timely, unsubstantiated rumor just as the EU announcement kicked up more oil sticker shock. Fancy that. 

Meanwhile, the oil gets through, just at higher prices for everyone involved.

This Mickey Mouse inflationary game will continue until Central Bank rate hikes are sufficient to counteract political stupidity.

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Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
U.S. Technology, a Longtime Tool for Russia, Becomes a Vulnerability
Global restrictions on sending advanced technology to Russia are hampering the country’s military capacity, U.S. officials say, though Russia has stockpiled American equipment for years.
June 2, 2022
WASHINGTON — With magnifying glasses, screwdrivers and a delicate touch from a soldering gun, two men from an investigative group that tracks weapons pried open Russian munitions and equipment that had been captured across Ukraine.
Over a week’s visit to Ukraine last month, the investigators pulled apart every piece of advanced Russian hardware they could get their hands on, such as small laser range finders and guidance sections of cruise missiles. The researchers, who were invited by the Ukrainian security service to independently analyze advanced Russian gear, found that almost all of it included parts from companies based in the United States and the European Union: microchips, circuit boards, engines, antenna and other equipment.
“Advanced Russian weapons and communications systems have been built around Western chips,” said Damien Spleeters, one of the investigators with Conflict Armament Research, which identifies and tracks weapons and ammunition. He added that Russian companies had enjoyed access to an “unabated supply” of Western technology for decades.
U.S. officials have long been proud of their country’s ability to supply technology and munitions to the rest of the world. But since Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, the United States has faced an unfortunate reality: The tools that Russian forces are using to wage war are often powered by American innovation.
Still, while the technology made by American and European companies has been turned against Ukraine, the situation has also given the United States and its allies an important source of leverage against Russia. The United States and dozens of countries have used export bans to cut off shipments of advanced technology, hobbling Russia’s ability to produce weapons to replace those that have been destroyed in the war, according to American and European officials.
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JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Again these resources are being made in China, so they go straight to the CHINESE manufacturers!!!
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
just incredible how the USSR managed to send the very first man into space for the very first time in history in 1961, ain t it ?
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Something Only Politicians Could Concoct

The asininity of this setup is staggering.”

I was reading yesterday, about how sending LNG from the U.S. to Europe, will drive up the cost of natural gas in the U.S. as a result of reduced local supply. With natgas used for electricity production and heating, that will drive up the cost of both, for Americans.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
…..sacrifices in the name of fkn democracy .. . Americans should be proud of it !
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Yup. Why not send a note to Putin expressing your dismay and suggesting he retreat from Ukraine so as to help bring down world energy prices?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
I suspect part of the objective is to keep oil prices elevated to discourage driving ICE cars. If so, they might be succeeding.
I don’t like high gas prices, but can easily afford them, so I really only care if there’s ample supply. Within reason of course.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Glad to hear you can afford this. Perhaps there are a few folks deciding between gasoline and food. If this goes on, this winter there will be folks deciding between heat and food.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
“The bad big companies are overstaffed by 4x or more,” venture capitalist Marc Andreessen said.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
These top US companies pay a median salary of more than $100,000, an analysis shows
June 1, 2022
– The Wall Street Journal analyzed the median salary data of 450 US companies to find the highest paying.
– Twelve of the twenty-five highest-paying companies were in the tech sector.
– Meta, Alphabet, and Netflix all paid their median worker more than $100,000.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
U.S stocks lost ground during the first trading session of June after stern comments from JPMorgan (JPM) boss Jamie Dimon warning of a “hurricane” bearing down on the U.S. economy.
..
The April report on job openings from the BLS also showed a decline in the number of job openings, a data point the Federal Reserve is likely to view positively as it works to cool the labor market.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Prepare for the other shoe to drop before they have to pick it up again:
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
The concern about computer chips may be not as important as many people think. The analogue world was wonderful. Every age is the modern age for its time and people got along just fine before advanced computers. People have always considered their time the most modern, even in the 1960’s.
The cars, stereos, cameras and machines I enjoy the most are all analogue. A resource rich nation like Russia can get by with a lot less technology and do just fine. The fruits of human empirical development and advancement does not have to go to waste, and this event may foster a better world.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
You’re delusional.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
It’s called primitivization and is defined as the process of becoming primitive. As it becomes progressively impossible to use sophisticated technology you have to use less sophisticated ones. Generally primitivization begats further primitivization.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Depends on what you use. Amplifiers and speakers haven’t improved in decades. For audio, the improvements have been in more channels and room correction software. Cameras also haven’t gotten better. We have more megapixels, but the image looks no better than the best cameras from decades ago. Computers and TVs are way better than they were in say the 1980s.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Cameras are better now too since you can take thousands of high-quality pictures for nothing and view them immediately. Before you had to get the film developed which costed a lot and took a lot of time to boot. I remember those days and frankly the tech back then wasn’t all that good. I prefer the tech today by far in just about everything.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Audio gear has massively improved in quality, efficiency, size, portability, and media over the last 30 years.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Tube gear and records sound the best. Tape is a good sound too. Even digital patched through tubes sounds good. Silver gelatin black and white prints are stunning. Cars from the 50’s and 60’s that have been restored to showroom condition reminds one of how fantastic these cars were. Going forward any non digital products would have a wealth of knowledge gained since the digital age began. Newer analogue products could be made superior to their 50 year old counterparts. Also despite threats to Russia they are not going to abandon any technology they can get a hold of. My main point is people don’t have to bury their heads in the sand without computers.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Solid state amplifier technology was perfected in the 1960s. There has been nothing to improve on. Speakers haven’t gotten any better either. Class D amps are more efficient than class A, but they don’t sound better.
Obviously some things have gotten better, but not amps or speakers.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Russia has two domestically designed processors in development, the Baykal and the Elbrus. While not record beating, they have only been in development since 2014, and beside their own instruction set, need to emulate the Inter or AMD instruction set, which is quite an achievement.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Baikal and
MCST rely heavily on Western architecture, imported components, and foreign manufacturers. Mikron Group which is Russia’s leading chipmaker can now make the 180-nanometer circuitries and 90-nanometer
circuitries but not for the mass market. They can’t do better than that. Taiwan’s TSMC is close to producing of
semiconductors of 2 nanometers for the mass market so Russia is so far behind you can’t see them. If you want to read a good discussion of Russia’s problem and why they can’t catch up in semiconductors then read this article:
Can Russia Rebuild Its Tech Sector with China’s Help? – War on the Rocks
I am sure that nobody told Putin about this before he ordered the invasion.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
China China..
Its where the USA gets its technology from too!!!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
You obviously are not interested in where the tech actually comes from and prefer to live in your fantasy of China saving Russia from its stupidity.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
These are early days, but the tectonic shifts are already in motion.
Eventually, there will be two centres of everything, the so called West and the other centered around China. China, being in the same boat as Russia, will develop not only as a manufacturing hub, but also into services, which is currently the domain of the West.
The West will have to learn to make things, which is bullish for inflation for years to come.
Normally, this would have happened gradually over decades, but the warmongers have given it a terrific boost.
If we even get there…
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Political addendum: Already Russia and China vetoed sanctions against North Korea, which they would normally support. This will continue.
The UN has lost clout long ago, when the US unilaterally acted whenever it didn’t get what it wanted, the so called coalitions of the willing.
In more chivalrous times, it would have dissolved itself, but too many high paying jobs are at stake.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Think of arms manufacturing. The NATO countries are sending their old stuff to Ukraine to be blown up. Next up is the NATO countries buying replacements.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
I agree, but the west will be north America. Europe will join China and Russia. They’ll have no choice. Otherwise, they’re going to suffer a collapse with their changing demographics and lack of resources. It will be far easier to join with the east.
davidyjack
davidyjack
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Democracy matters. Very few in Europe will trust Russia.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
Like they would never trust Germany ever again.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
If Russia turns into a country similar to germany, then that will be good thing. But sanctions are likely going to be on Russia for a long, long time.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Only after it was de-Nazified . I suppose one could trust Russia if a similar process took place there.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
Nobody trusts Russia in Europe after this.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

life in Russia has sucked for centuries. Nobody wants any of that.

Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Russia Braces For Economic Upheaval As Sanctions Start To Bite
06/01/22 AT 10:13 PM
At his garage in the south of Moscow, 35-year-old mechanic Ivan is starting to worry.
With billions of dollars in financial reserves and money still coming in from oil and gas exports, Russia has yet to feel the full impact of the barrage of Western sanctions imposed over its offensive in Ukraine.
But Ivan sees storm clouds on the horizon.
The foreign parts he needs to fix his clients’ cars are getting harder to find, and prices have jumped by at least 30 percent after many brands halted exports to Russia.
“We’re running out of stock. At some point, there won’t be anything left,” said Ivan, who declined to give his last name when speaking to international media.
“People who have foreign cars are worried, they are wondering what to do in the future,” he said.
Faced with a shortage of imported parts in factories, authorities eased safety and emission standards for locally produced cars in May — including dropping the requirement for airbags.
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Bhakta
Bhakta
3 years ago
Mish, do you believe the EU and US politicians are this stupid, or is this all be design with the intent of bleeding the western people off of petroleum based energy and gradually lock us up in their UN “Smart Cities”?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
“Russia has not only been able to fully offset the 0.7 mbd crude export loss to its traditional customers in the US and Europe, but has managed to sell an additional 1.4 mbd to Asia buyers” – JPM

This war is the best thing to ever happen to Russia oil exporters

PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Yes. A large increase in prices has been a boon to Russian exporters so far. Though I expect that in the long run, Russian production will slowly decline as it is starved from the necessary equipment, parts, materials and expertise that it had relied on through the western oil companies that have now abandoned Russia. Russia itself admits to declining production.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I seems you are eating what the West MSM/Intel agencies are selling!!
Where do you think the parts that US oil companies use come from??
Russia will get all the parts they need from internal production and Chinese companies!!!
You seem to believe Russia has ZERO manufacturing!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Not the MSM. RIA Novosti, is a Russian state-owned domestic news agency.
“Crude oil production in Russia could shrink by up to 8 percent this year, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said today, as quoted by RIA Novosti.”
“Earlier this year, the Russian economy ministry forecast a sharper decline in oil production, of about 9.3 percent to 475.3 million tons, under its base scenario. This rises to 17.2 percent in the ministry’s conservative scenario, or 433.8 million tons. Novak said that the actual decline in production would be smaller.”
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Key word “COULD”!!!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Whatever makes you feel better. It could also be a decline of 17.2% as forecast by the Russian economy ministry. And that is just this year. I expect the decline to continue as long as sanctions remain in place. Of course, only time will tell us what ends up happening. But it does not look good for Russian energy production going forward.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It seems you have changed the definition of the word “COULD” to “will”!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Did I? I don’t see where I did that.
On the other hand, I do see that OPEC+ is increasing output levels by 680k bpd for the next two months. Russia will be allocated some of that increase. It will be interesting to see how that works for them.
I’m guessing that you think Russia will be able to boost their output and exports. Since you think the sanctions are ineffective. Right?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago

Global economy keeps getting nuttier. We are going to wake up to $10 gasoline soon.

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Good. There are way too many people on the roads driving for entertainment.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
From the US via China
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
From Taiwan via Vietnam.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Export controls prevent USA technology products form being sold to Russia. Anyone who violates this controls is subject to worldwide arrest where they will be returned to the USA and put in prison. Will the short-term gain be worth the long-term need to constantly look over your shoulder?
There is also the possibility that the chips making their way to Russia have hardware backdoors in them to allow orgs like the NSA/CIA access.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
You can count on the chips getting through will have been altered.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
And Russia is manufacturing some chips internally!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
I am sure that Russia will work hard to evade these sanctions on computer chips, but it is bound to have an effect on their tech abilities in all areas: military, space, manufacturing, oil production, etc. And what Russia produces internally is about a decade behind today’s chips. Their ability to internally produce anything is going to become more difficult over time.
Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
The amount of BS in the MSM these days is legendary. Long range missiles are not going to Ukraine, next day they are, next day they are not, next day they are as long as Ukraine promises not to fire them into Russian territory. Insanity. Same with this OPEC deal. Meanwhile not reported in the west according to WION more EU countries have had their Russian nat gas cut off in retaliation to the latest oil sanctions.
indc
indc
3 years ago
Mish becomes stup** when it comes to India for some reason.
Europe gets 2.4 million barrels per day. India is getting 350,000 barrels max per day from above graph which is 10% of what europe gets.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  indc
I see somebody buys what the Communist News Network is “SELLING”!!
indc
indc
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
will you believe reuters which says 2.2 million barrels per day, or is that also communist.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  indc
If it ain’t newsmax it’s all lies!
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The mainstream media is propaganda.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
… if you’re a kook.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
The object for the EU is to no longer be subject to Russian economic blackmail by no longer buying Russian oil and gas. Paying a lower price for oil and gas is not the objective at all although it would be nice is not expected. The secondary goal is to make it harder for Russia to export its oil and according to the article that is being done. Russia has to use round-about ways that are more expensive and that also requires them to give a substantial discount to potential buyers. The volumes are down and oil wells are having to shutdown most of which will not be able to be reopened because of the nature of pumping in permafrost. Russia’s future oil production will end up 3 million barrels/day lower and that will be out permanently. For now they believe they can make it up by higher prices but that depends on not on them but on what other oil producers in the world do. If more oil comes online or even looks it might then the price will decline. It’s only been three months ans a lot has already been accomplished. This is a long-term affair.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Absolutely correct. This is a long term event. And the biggest effect is not whether Russia can sell its oil; its how long it can keep producing its oil; since it is being starved of critical parts, equipment and skilled workers that it used to have access to through the western companies that have now abandoned Russia. I expect a long and steady decline in production.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russia’s oil future being lower by 3 million barrels makes no sense.
World demand is fixed (~95 million / day) and production = consumption.
If Europe stops buying Russian oil THEY MUST buy from some one else. That means who ever was buying the oil that Europe now buys must then buy Russian oil. All that happens is that someone else is dependent on Russian oil but the amount that Russia sells will still be exactly the same.
It’s no different than when China stopped buying US Soybeans. They bought elsewhere and so someone else bought US soybeans since world production = consumption.
Europe can wean itself off Russian oil and gas but the rest of the world can’t.
Also, about 5 minutes (years) after the war ends, things will go back to the way they were. It always does.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I completely disagree.
Russia cannot sell what it cannot produce. Russian production is already down and it is going to continue to decline now that all the western oil companies have abandoned Russia, taking with them their skilled employees and technical expertise. Add in sanctions on all manner of equipment, parts, supplies, etc that are crucial for the maintenance of existing oil and gas infrastructure. Add in the fact that Russia is sending all manner of resources to their war in Ukraine, that would normally be used in the oil industry. Add in that many skilled and technical people are leaving Russia for opportunities elsewhere, including skilled oil workers. And you have a situation where production is going to suffer more and more as time goes by.
Russian even admits this:
“Crude oil production in Russia could shrink by up to 8 percent this year, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said today, as quoted by RIA Novosti.”
“Earlier this year, the Russian economy ministry forecast a sharper decline in oil production, of about 9.3 percent to 475.3 million tons, under its base scenario. This rises to 17.2 percent in the ministry’s conservative scenario, or 433.8 million tons. Novak said that the actual decline in production would be smaller.”
As Russian supply declines, it will be difficult to replace it. Supply increases are difficult because the industry as a whole worldwide has been reducing capex spending for years and any new capex spending will take 5 years to increase supply. Example: Saudi plans to spend a lot in order to increase their production by 1 mbpd in 2027.
If there is less supply than demand, the immediate effect will be higher prices, until eventually, demand drops, or supply increases, or some combination.
It will be interesting to see if OPEC, and in particular, Saudi Arabia, decides to attempt to replace Russian oil as Russian production declines. Some are expecting OPEC to make just such an announcement this week. The question will be, will OPEC have enough oil to make up for lost Russian production. After all, 8 out of the 10 largest OPEC countries already cannot even meet their current quotas.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
But he was saying ‘long term’.
Short term, I agree it will go down as they can’t repair things etc. But as soon as the war ends, parts will flow back into Russia (money speaks, it always speaks) and production will come back online.
My company is in the oil services industry so I know that while there may be short term loss of production, it won’t be a long term thing.
Also I doubt OPEC can make up 3 million barrels.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I disagree again.
The end of the war is not the end of sanctions. As long as Putin remains in power, he is a threat. In order to reduce that threat, sanctions will remain in place to attempt to cripple his ability to earn the currency needed to rebuild his military and do this again in the future.
And Europe has learned a valuable lesson: don’t become dependent on a dictator for significant amounts of your energy. Many countries will be reluctant to buy from Russia again and will want to diversify their sources of energy. Not to mention, put more resources into renewables. I realize that some countries will still buy some energy from Russia, but as little as possible.
I also do not expect many western oil companies to go back into Russia. Once bitten, twice shy.
OPEC cannot make up for a potential loss of 3mbpd today. But they will be close to being able to make up for 1 mbpd this year, 2 mbpd next year. And 3 mbpd in 2024. But the demand will still likely exceed supply until prices rise enough to destroy some of the demand .
So prices will tend to stay high and/or keep rising as we move through the next few years.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Precisely true. Sanctions will be on for years.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Europe could burn less oil. That appears to be the plan.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The war is going to end soon. Ukraine is running out of troops. The EU can posture all they want, but there’s no way the populace is going to accept their high energy costs for very long when all they have to do is make amends with Russia. Virtue signaling only works when you don’t actually have to make a sacrifice.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
What “populace” {sic} are you talking about? And what would they do about the situation?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It’s the other way around. Ukraine has much more troops mobilized than Russia and they are getting all the equipment they need. To match the numbers Russia would have to mobilize too but the equipment those troops would receive would be old and out of date.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
I wonder, what is the legality and practicality of seizing the tankers involved in these operations? A couple of tankers lost might put a damper on these shenanigans.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Legality went out the window when the russians took Crimea. It’s been Calvinball rules ever since.
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The Charge of the Light Brigade was a failed military action involving the British light cavalry led by Lord Cardigan against Russian forces during the Battle of Balaclava on 25 October 1854 in the Crimean War.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Especially if those tankers can’t get insurance. Europe controls the world ship insurance market and they just cut off any ships shipping Russian oil.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
UK and EU hit Russian oil cargoes with insurance ban | Financial Times (ft.com)
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
FT requires registration to read the article. Here is another version that doesn’t have this requirement.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Thanks.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I’m betting there is at least one shipping insurance company in Singapore, Hong Kong or somewhere else in the global south. Sanctions are idiotic especially when it hurts your economy and citizens more than your enemy’s.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
The alternative is funding genocide every time you drive little Braden to the mall. Some things are worth a little sacrifice.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your already funding genocide every time you drive little Braden to the mall. The only variable is who is getting genocided.
The choice on your part is:
1) Don’t drive to the mall at all
2) Fund genocide of *some one*.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I’m down to 8 gallons a month in the pickup. Everything else is electric,And I’m gonna claim that those electrons came from the nearby nuke plant. Tremble before my moral superiority!

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
And where did the nuclear material come from? Most likely Russia or Kzakstan etc.
You should have gone with nearby solar/hydro/windmills 🙂
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Do a bit of research to give me the name of a possible insurance company that is willing to insure an oil tanker against oil spills potentially costing billions to clean up. To take on that type of risk you need to have financial resources few have. Additionally since Russia is at war these ships run risks that are hard to quantify. I doubt if any insurance company would take on the risk considering the very poor risk/reward ratio.
radar
radar
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Someone needs to find a way to damage their propellers.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  radar
A little C4 will do the job.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
The problem is that oil isn’t like manufactured goods. If you seize a boatload of iPhones it’s easy to see they get made in China regardless of how the captain of the boat protests they didn’t.
A cargo load of oil looks like any other cargo load of oil. So how do you know where it came from and who pays if you guess wrong and for that matter who adjudicates where it came from. Unless you catch them in the act of unloading there is essentially little to be done.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You don’t randomly do check points on the high seas, you would track the tankers from port departure.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Oil from each field has a different chemical composition from the others and refiners buy oil cargos in function of those specific chemical compositions since each refinery is tooled to be able refine oil with a certain characteristics hence one oil cargo does not look like another. Additionally oil tankers are easy to track because they are big. They know who is loading the oil and who is offloading onto other ships and they know who owns them. The latest wave of sanctions, those on ship insurance, will hit those ships hard.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Seize them with what? Out navy isn’t unlimited. We can’t stop pirating off the coast of Somalia. We can’t just decide it’s our right to go into any sovereign nations water and conduct military activities.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Well, nobody ever said that the sh*tlibs are smart! Except the sh*tlibs themselves, of course. They think they are geniuses with IQs of 140+
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
They wouldn’t go into territorial waters. Just wait until they sailed into the international zone.

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