S&P 500 Bear Market Update, Where Do Things Stand?

S&P 500 chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com annotations by Mish

The above daily chart shows closed gaps in blue and two open gaps on the right in green.

A gap occurs when the market opens above the previous day’s high or below the previous day’s low and stays there for the rest of the day.

I have commented on gaps several times before and they tend to act like magnets. 

Stacked Gaps

S&P 500 daily chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com annotations by Mish

On June 10th the S&P 500 gapped down below its lowest point on June 9th. It did so again on June 13. 

On June 23, someone on Twitter asked me about the strength of the market. Neither of the gaps had yet closed. 

Q: Is there any reason why all indices went up today?
A: Impossible to say, but most likely just a small continuation of the relief rally. There are two open gaps above and it would not be shocking if they filled.

The idea of a top in long-term US treasury yields will be the subject of another post.

On June 24, Friday, we saw a big continuation rally with the S&P 500 up 113 points (2.99%), and the Nasdaq up 375 points (3.34%).

The rally Friday closed one of the stacked gaps but left another gap in its wake. 

I am very confident the new gap closes. 

Order of Closing 

It would be more bearish for the June 10th gap to close first, the idea being unfinished business to the down side. 

If the gap up on June 24 closes first there is still easy room for another rally to close the June 10th gap.

None of this really matters in the long run, but for traders looking to get short, that stacked gap lower was a big warning to take some chips off the table, 

The VIX

It’s unclear what rates the above Tweet is referring to. 

At the long end, the top may very well be in for now. At the short end, at least one more 50 basis point hike is coming. 

I have no opinion on whether or not a currency swap contributed to Friday’s move, but VIX manipulation is silly. The Fed is not doing a currency swap to influence the VIX.

S&P 500 Monthly Chart 

S&P 500 monthly chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com annotations by Mish

Clockwork! 

The S&P 500 bounced right on the monthly support line. So if you are looking for another reason for the bounce, technical support is arguably the best one. 

There’s more support at 3200, 2800, 2400, 2200, and 2000. I’m inclined to think the stock market has a date with 2400 and more likely 2000. 

Much depends on the path the Fed takes. But if we get there, don’t think stocks will be cheap and it’s off to the races again. 

Most People Have No Idea How Much Stocks are Likely to Crash

Flashback February 23, 2022: Most People Have No Idea How Much Stocks are Likely to Crash

2400 is where I drew a line on a chart. Jeremy Grantham mentioned 2500. 

The S&P 500 was about 4300 at the time, down from 4800. It’s now 3911 after a big rally. Lot’s more downside is likely. 

Monthly Trendline Addendum 

One of my readers asked about Grantham’s trendline hitting 2500. Technically, it’s not a good line. I see it like this.

S&P 500 monthly chart courtesy of StockCharts.com, annotations by Mish

The thick blue line is my preferred trendline and the thin is an alternate. The only way I can get Grantham’s proposed trendline is the thin red line. 

I believe the 3200 line is correct but that support will break. 

Also, 3200 is monthly support. There are two reasons to like that area for another bounce.

I try to draw trendlines that hit the most points and are closest to other points. My 3200 line does that and encompasses support areas a well.

This post originated at MishTalk.Com

Correction

I said I doubted the Fed was watching the VIX but they did mention it in the latest minutes. 

But watching is one thing and doing is another. In the previous cycle, the Fed suppressed the VIX via QE and lowering interest rates.

We are in a period of QT that just started and the Fed has penciled in more rate hikes. 

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Jesse Liverspotz
Jesse Liverspotz
1 year ago
In that Bloomberg interview, Jeremy Grantham did say something like, “being fairly generous the trendline for the S&P is at 2500.” And he was suggesting at least 50% down from the top which would put it at your 2400…so I don’t think he’d have much of a problem with your trendline.
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Good article.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
If the blue trend line were shifted up, connecting the 2011 high to January 2020 highs; then the all-time high in January 2022 overshot the line of resistance. When this happens at the end of a long trend, in this case more than a decade from the housing bubble lows, it usually signals a top is forming.
Based on Elliott wave theory, the pattern I have the highest confidence in is a triangle into the March 2022 lows. The rally out of the March 2022 looks very motive; therefore; it may have technically been the final rally out of the COVID lows, even though it failed to make a new all-time high (truncation).
After a truncated wave occurs, the reverse is sharp and greater in magnitude than the truncated wave, This happened in the S&P 500, so I have more confidence in my interpretation of the previous waves.
Wave 1 large degree unfolded from March 30, 2022 high into May 12, 2022 low. This is the Elliott Wave start of the S&P 500 bear market.
Wave 2 large degree unfolded May 13, 2022 to June 2, 2022 was a flat. (bear bounce)
Wave 3 large degree has started. So far its medium degree wave 1 has completed, and maybe its wave 2.
==>Wave 1 medium degree motive is the June swoon.
==>Wave 2 medium degree from June 14, 2022 to any moment is a flat. (bear bounce).
This week should begin Wave 1 small degree. When all degrees (large, medium, and small) of Wave 3 are occurring, gaps down will not be filled for YEARS. At a minimum the S&P 500 should find multi-month support in the range of the housing market bear market, the Elliott Wave end of the Dot Com bubble.
LostNOregon
LostNOregon
1 year ago
Mish, I saw Lance Roberts’ weekly market summary on Welthion with Adam Taggart. Lance thinks we will see another week of “bump” as all the funds and market makers dress up their funds for the end of Q2. Whaddaya think?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
SPX bounced on support. // Options : #1) from inverse H&S #1 and #2 to a new all time high. / Option #2) After staling
in Sept /Oct 2022 in a lower high, down in stepping stones to : 1.900 – 2,000 area, to the space between May 2015 high and Mar 2020 low. A 65% – 68% correction of the whole move from 2009 low. The big trend ==> big change. We don’t know what will happen next in the casino.
All we can do is prepare for few options and pray for god …
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Added a trendline chart to show what I mean
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
13400 on $COMPQ showing daily with breakout on PNF..
biotech has bid on it now, trend reversal to help that and RUT after rebalancing friday…
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
1. Breakouts in bear markets are very suspect to say the least.
2. Breakdowns in bull markets are equally suspect.
The first is likely a good place to try a short, the second a good place to go long or add to longs.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
biotech was 60% off, selling at 2014 levels, the bear market is somewhat over there. COMPQ low pole reversal in place with double top breakout on daily pointing at that 13400…seemed like rotation back into growth based off deceleration of rate moves.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
It’s just math. Long-term money flows, the proxy for inflation (the volume and velocity of money or M*Vt), have never been this high, not even close. Monetary tightening impacts short-term money flows, proxy for real output, more so than long-term money flows. The FED can substantially tighten, but that could cause a recession. Reducing inflation requires a tight money policy today, tomorrow, and for as long as it takes to reduce the rate of increase in prices. That generally means that the FED must reduce the 24-month rate-of-change in flows. And that takes years – not months. I.e., there is no quick fix.
The 24-month rate-of-change in monetary flows has already peaked. But there won’t be much relief until the 4th qtr. this year.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Could you flesh out “the 24 month rate of change in monetary flows,” please? This is not me being snarky or disputatious, but rather me admitting ignorance — probably not of the underlying fundamentals, but of that particular angle.
I have no ego here. If you’re inclined to educate me, I will be grateful. Life long learner here. The day I can’t say “I don’t know” is the day I should be taken out behind the barn and shot.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
May I assume that is a 24-month moving average? Average of the weekly or monthly or quarterly numbers? Inquiring minds want to know.
Dr_Novaxx
Dr_Novaxx
1 year ago
I would call this a “relief rally” or bear market retracement.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Come on guys, the market was up for one reason and one reason only, it’s the end of Q2 and Wall Street bruhs need to bank their bonus. Barring a black swan event, the market will be up all this week then crater next Tuesday, July the 5th or shortly thereafter. The next Fed meeting is July 27 and more hikes and carnage.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Does anyone here want to have a slow conversation with a relative newbie about trading tactics? In asking, I am doing something somewhat rare, or at least uncommon, online: admitting ignorance
I am looking for someone who’s knowledgeable, experienced, and who sympathetically remembers what it was like to be new at it.
In exchange, beyond simple gratitude, I offer to share my considerable knowledge about either or both of two unconnected subjects: firearms and telecommunications technology. Hey, it just happened that way.
A bit more: I nailed the interest rate runup, but didn’t trade on it because I didn’t know how. I have been bearish on the S&P but have not traded on it because I don’t know how. Help!
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
What exactly do you want to learn? there are a ton of youtube videos covering anything you could possibly want to learn and then there are a ton of books. That’s probably your best bet then post questions here if you need clarifications, the investment world is gigantic and since time is money, the best won’t waste time telling you how to do it.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I will give it one try, and I expect to give up here.
I doubled my money on a TSLA LEAP last year, expiring in spring ’23. I am willing to risk the original nut + the gain. I am looking for a LEAP put, similarly long dated and (maybe) out of the money.
I don’t know which S&P LEAP put. What the alternatives are, and the pros and cons among them. I think there’s 50% downside, and want to play it if possible.
I am uninterested in arguing about my underlying call on the market, but only on tactics. One issue that comes to mind is liquidity. The TSLA LEAP was plenty liquid but that was that, and what I am looking for might not be
I want to take the position quickly, so I don’t have time to read a book. Moreover, my question is (or seems) simple. If that’s wrong, I have ZERO ego. I will be as non-defensive as it gets. I only ask for civility, nothing more
Finally, I will add a backhanded note of thanks to the clay-footed Fed and the inertia and hope-driven behavior of the institutions. I really thought I had missed the trade, but I see a “last chance” gift and don’t want to pass it up.
This is a small part of my assets. I can afford to be wrong and lose the whole thing, but I’d rather not
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Now that you have clarified what you are trying to do I will tell you one thing no one else has said. When the going gets tough, the Fed, SEC, Plunge Protection Team, etc. will HALT trading. Look back at what happened on 9/11 – market trading stopped. I think the same happened during the dot com crash but my memory is fuzzy. I also think trading was halted after the financial crisis for a few days in 08 and banks were “married” to investment firms.
If things get really bad (i.e. 50% drop) don’t expect to be able to “cash in” your chips. I have thought many times of doing what you are considering doing but then I remember how the game always seems to be rigged to stop trading, let big players clear positions, then start trading again. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s fact and you can go back and read about the trading halts. Heck, Nickel trading was suspended not too long ago when the market got out of whack.
We are in dangerous times and defaults and/or collapses aren’t out of the question, what will be questionable is if you’re allowed to bank profit from your moves.
You can look at triple leveraged ETFs that bet on SPY up/down and also trade options, that’s what I would do if I wanted to go down this route but I don’t plan on doing that because I don’t think the market will crash 50% but if it does, I will have cash to buy, buy, buy when it happens.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Interesting. You’re telling me that options contracts were frozen? Were they abrogated or were they delayed?
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
You need to research the effects for each exchange. There are different rules for different exchanges. I don’t know where you are trading.
Here is high level info for NYSE. Search “MWCB” “Market Wide Circuit Breakers” and search internet. I was fortunate to never have open option positions during these halted periods so I can’t tell you the after effects.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I see that there are SPY LEAPS. You raised the issue of whether options contracts are written in sand. Anything you can tell me will get my full attention. I will check that link.
It’s hard for me to imagine that my money will be frozen. I can imagine that day traders will be screwed, but that is not where I’m headed.
Other than making a bit of dough on that TSLA LEAP, my other options trade was a very long time ago. One stock. My fundamental call was right smack down the smokestack, almost to the penny.
The company lied. The SEC did nothing. My put was very short term, and quite naked. It was a lesson not to be repeated. But the options market didn’t seize up.
You absolutely, positively got my attention, trust me on that.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I checked the NYSE site. Frustrating. I will keep looking. My memory tells me that circuit breakers are very brief. But, as I mentioned, you got my attention.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
My advice, the swings are likely to get more extremes.
If you do decide to hop in, do so at clear support and resistance levels, and take gains when you have them. Stay away from options, and have a lot of cash. Trade with lots of cash.
If you do not understand support an resistance points, don’t try anything, just stay in cash.
Alternatively try something like Hedgeye, again, with small positions. He has been doing very well I believe. But I do not have time for it.
Tell him I sent you and that you are a novice.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Thank you. I will follow up. I have some experience with charts, but not enough to be going in and out rapidly. Beyond the leverage in out of the money LEAPS with long expirations, I don’t want to be exposed to material theta decay if I can avoid it.
The complacency about the stock market is remarkable to me, but as I noted before, I am seeing it as a gift. In any case, thank you much, and I will follow up.
Aside from one post that rubbed me the wrong way, I think your stuff is superb. This post made me stand and cheer. I will continue to pay close attention to what you have to say, but if I lose money I will take it up with the guy in the mirror and no one else.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Just wrote to Hedgeye with high hopes and well-tempered expectations. Thanks again for the referral. I truly appreciate it
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
paper trade for 6 months, record every trade, ask yourself what kind of trader are you, trend, day, buy on weakness, what are you exit and entry points, what is maximum R vale….
being a bear is hard, they are brief and you can be squeezed out of a lot of money. Timing a market is impossible, spotting trends is. Find the indicators that build a system you have ran 3-6 months of backtests on
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I have all kinds of reluctance to time the market. It’s one reason that I didn’t pull the trigger a couple months ago.
I anticipate a “slow” trade, meaning one that doesn’t require me to go nuts with every jiggle. That’s a big reason for looking for a long-dated option.
I also decided against picking a stock with a beta of 1.0. Too many ways to get screwed by a dishonest management.
Your suggestions about 6 months of paper trading are eminently reasonable but I don’t think I have that sort of time.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It’s more expensive to be short the market than be long for a prolonged period of time because either you or whoever has sold you the bearish instrument has to borrow stocks to sell them short or manage intra day exposure. From reading your comments it seems to me you’re more interested in a longer term negative investment than trading per se.
The most effective timing mechanism for a longer term investment is to dollar cost average. If it were me I’d try and find a bearish fund to buy and dollar cost average into it to overcome some of the timing risk. The fund would be in a better position to manage the volatility and any time premium they might pay in any option strategy. Good luck with whatever route you take.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
You are correct. I have called it a trade here, but if trade means short term then it’s something else
To me, the problems with simply shorting are: less leverage, and possibly unlimited risk if I’m wrong. I’m okay with the theoretical risk of worthless expiration, but not with risk beyond that given my current tactical ignorance.
If the right vehicle is a “bearish fund,” I am not ruling it out.
kiers
kiers
1 year ago
It’s been a while since I saw that video w Eric Schatzker and Grantham, are you sure Grantham said 2500? i commented on this months ago too, but if you actually download SP500 close data adn de-trend it, the trendline is 3500! Thirty-five not “twenty-five”!? I will have to find that part of the 35 min video to go over it again, but 3500! this is from 30 years worth of closing prices last run on May 2022: link to ibb.co
OF course, 3500 applies during a time of secular DECLINE in rates, and the forward looking outlook is very bad now it’s not the same planet it was in the prior period, so below 3500 for sure is possible, reasonable if bear means “below trend”.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  kiers
I have the trendline at 3200, not 3500 nor 2500.
Playing around I can fudge one at 2500 but it’s not a good line.
To get his, look at a monthly S&P 500 chart, draw a line between the 2016 low and the 2020 low.
His target is near one of my key support areas at 2400.
To get my 3200 draw a line between the FAT portion of the MONTHLY candles at 2010, 2012 and 2020.
Alternative, the bottom of 2010, 2012, and 2020 will get 2700 or so.
I suspect the 3200 line is correct but that support will break.
3200 is also monthly support.
Many reasons to like that area for another bounce.
I try to draw trendlines that hit the most points and are closest to other points. My 3200 line does that and encompasses support areas a well
kiers
kiers
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I think what Grantham is mentioning is “recession bottom level” (ie, the 20% below trend) which does work out to 2500 which tallies in relation to both our numbers 3500, 3200. So from back in May 2022, the market was 20% above trendline, it’s falling to 3500, and then to make a recession “bottom”, another 20% gives you 2500……
Also,. for fun(!..or not) look at corp profits! They have to HALF yet…..! HALF mind you! Year 2000 was the “start” of “China era”. Those corps are (if i read the fickle, and nasty lying elite’s tea leaves correctly) expected to “RE-Shore”. Imagine! Back to pre 2000 corp profit levels!
pre 2000, corp profits avgd ~6% GDP, Post 2000, ~11% GDP [eyeballing method, no math run here].
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago

Inflation in 1980 averaged 13.55% & the FFR started the year
at 14%, dipped to 9% & shot up to 19% to start 1981. The FFR is currently 1.5%.
CPI has undergone several adjustments since 1983. Nowadays, CPI under reports
inflation by treating all housing as rent. In addition, CPI only started to
capture asking rent prices in early 2022, and according to Wolf Richter will take upwards of 24 months to fully hit CPI. In addition, CPI completely ignores home cost appreciation
in favor of owner’s equivalent rent which subjectively surveys owners what they’d charger themselve. What? As such,
real inflation is in the ballpark of 1980, while consumer’s inflation expectations are firmly
entrenched and wildly off the mark when they look out 12 months or more. In 2006 & 2007 just prior to the Great Recession, the FFR was
5.25%, inflation averaged 3.3%, & unemployment averaged 4.65%. So, the current
FFR is 3.5x lower, inflation is about 2.7x higher, and unemployment a full 1%
lower, creating an exceptionally tight job market with lingering supply chain
issues that will take years to correct.

$11T in excessive QE & Congressional spending over the last 24
months has created grossly distorted demand the likes America has never seen. Ultra-low
30 YFRM created a tsunami of up to 90% refi’s from May 2020 through early 2022,
adding the biggest source of direct-to-consumer stimulus to an already stimilus check, QE & pandemic juiced
economy.

The Fed has only runoff $47.5B in treasuries & MBS from its
$8.9T balance sheet, and $95B per month won’t arrive until mid-September. And
it’s possible that over the next two years the Fed won’t meet its MBS runoff
projections and may have to sell some portion of the $2.7T outright which would
create significant upward pressure on mortgage rates. In case you were wondering, the Fed’s balance sheet
just prior to the Great Recession was just over $800B or about 11x smaller than it is today.

The war in Ukraine is raising oil, natural gas, petrol, diesel
fuel, fertilizer, food, etc. costs and has no end in sight as the Biden
administration continues to send tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine. The
entire Biden administration is hostile towards fossil fuels & hasn’t
approved one new oil & gas lease in 18 months. The administration’s lurch
towards a rapid shift to renewable energy means perpetually higher fossil fuel
prices, & experts predict electrical blackouts from a strained national
grid. If this happens on a widespread basis, the social unrest would be
enormous, well beyond what we’ve seen in the last five years. In addition, climate
change puts the USA one bad harvest away from food scarcity which would result
in hyperinflation.

Politics aside, Joe Biden’s open border policy is adding millions
of new mouths to feed & house, will add upside to inflation, & will
hit lower income families the most due to job & housing competition.
Undocumented immigrants oftentimes receive healthcare via emergency room visits,
the most expensive healthcare option possible.

The median existing home value just hit $414,200. Counties across
the country are flush with cash from historically high property taxes, increasing
wages & capital spending. Per Zillow, my anecdotal 1,200 SF home NW ATL
increased in value over 29% in the last 12 months & 98% over the last four years, simply breathtaking. There’s a trillion dollars in Congressional
infrastructure spending coming online. There’s $2.2T in reverse repo, excess
liquidity parked overnight with the Fed & it’s growing. The Fed owns
upwards of 60% of all government-backed mortgages. These are massive
distortions. Hell, the average new vehicle sales price for June was up 14.5%
from the year prior. While there are signs of a slowdown coming, any broad
based, sustained slow down is at least 6 months out.

We’re $30.42T in debt, and our interest paid on debt averaged
$545B over the last four years. With 4 months to go in the FY 2022, we’ve paid $424B
in interest on the debt due in part to rising yields. If treasury yields stay
near 3% or above for a sustained period, trillions of short-term t-notes will
roll over at much higher rates. Medicare Part B (Drs) was $500B in the red last
year, & Medicare Part A (Hospitals) goes broke in 2026. The SSTF is
estimated to go broke in 2034, & the Trump tax cuts sunset at the end of
2025. By this fall, the increased tax revenue will most likely dissipate &
the Fed’s ability to “monetize” its assets by remitting surpluses to the
Treasury may eventually erode into loses. The Treasury’s Daily Statement shows
a cash balance of $735B, so it’s reasonable to assume a slowing economy will
cause it to run out of money by early next year, renewing a spike in debt assumption.

We face growing military & cyber threats from China, Russia
& Iran and together these countries pose an axis of evil unlike any threat America
has ever faced. China’s GDP is expected to surpass ours in 2028 and they are making
much greater progress than America in areas like EVs, solar, wind,
hydroelectric. Most importantly they’re forging quickly ahead with 4th generation nuclear power plants for reliable baseload power, including the
world’s first thorium molten salt demonstration reactor in the Gobi Desert that
doesn’t require any water for cooling. Our first SMR (which isn’t
thorium-based) isn’t expected to come online until 2028. I’m lucky. I live in GA
where within 12 months (fingers crossed) we’ll have 2GW+ of baseload nuclear
power coming online at Plant Vogle.

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I’m just going to talk about inflation. Was it overestimated then, or is it underestimated now? For the time being, I’m not sure how much it matters
Even if the current number is too low, 8.x% (with PPI and wholesale being worse) point toward much higher bond yields. Much higher FFR.
Old rule I learned from a guy with 9 figures to the left of the decimal point: Take the average of the 1- and 2-year bills to get the 18-month yield. Compare it to the S&P 500 earnings yield.
If the 18-month yield is higher than the S&P 500 earnings yield, the market will decline. His view was that for all the blather about solid companies and 3-year horizons, the real institutional horizon was 18 months.
The implied 18-month bill is still below the S&P 500 E/P. It occurs to me that this is what’s kept the market from getting killed. If that formula still works, between the Fed’s ongoing tightening and the earnings numbers to come, there’s a whole lot of downside ahead.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
What’s keeping the market from getting killed is that nothing really has come out of left field to cause a significant selloff or two, 10%. Most everyone expects this thing to be a controlled demolition. The only questions are how long that takes, when does the recession hit and how long / severe will it be? We’ll find the bottom about 1/2 through a recession whenever it arrives and however long it lasts.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
This is what makes a market. Sellers believe prices are about to go down. But for every seller there has to be a buyer. Buyers believe that prices are about to go up. I learned that from you Mish. It was a good tip.
Here is my tip: you should buy oil and gas stocks since they are still incredibly undervalued. Crescent Point trades at 1.2 EV/CF at a $100 oil price.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Crescent Point looks good, gonna do a deeper dive into it.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
You will like what you find.
QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago

The market is exhibiting some cognitive dissonance…

It was up sharply on the basic premise that an upcoming recession might prompt the Fed to slow down rate hikes, completely ignoring the fact that a recession will, at the same time, cause earnings to plummet – as if that very likely outcome doesn’t matter at all.
Yet more proof that market has lost all semblance of fundamentals and valuation. The only thing that matters is how large a narcotics dose will be administered to the market addict by the drug dealers at the Fed.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  QTPie
Understand that sell-side analysts earn 100% of their income from investment banking revenues. They are super-duper incentivized to be optimistic. By the time they cut their numbers, that game is finished.
They are the archetypal lagging indicator, comparable to unemployment. Wait for either of those, and you miss the move
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
I thought this headline I’ve just seen is a bit worrying for The Bulls.
“ Goldman Trader explains why Friday’s surge is the start of the next big move higher”
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
Well, there is one more gap down to fill. Some don’t fill for years, or ever. This one will sometime. Those that never fill are breakaway gaps.
Breakaway gaps are rare, but happen.
Have not looked for them but I suspect Amazon or Apple may have some.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish

Fwiw I agree with you that there’s a long way to fall yet, although I think it’s going to take a lot of downs and ups over many months, if not years to get there. It’ll probably go much further than we think as it usually does.

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
Nothing goes up or down in a straight line, but the stock market’s resilience is weird to me. I see it as an opportunity. Watch me be wrong.

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