If the senator were in favor of the bill and the mob were pushing her to oppose it, Joe and Bernie would be singing a different tune – along with some commenters here. Selective outrage – one of the many things hypocrisy makes possible. That’s modern politics for you.
mrchinup
2 years ago
I hear following someone into a bathroom filming is illegal, why isn’t she in jail? We know why it’s fine if liberals break the laws. She should have gave her fair warning I feel threatened, If she didn’t go away hammer her. But that’s just me, my wife would have. Self defense you know, the only way to stop the trash.
… or she could just try being an elected representative and take phone calls from her constituents (not just from corporate bosses), hold town hall meetings for the public, and other such stuff.
thimk
2 years ago
the most troubling part of Biden’s message: “it’s part of the process ” .
whirlaway
2 years ago
“Manchin wants progressives to pick just one of Biden’s three signature policies for helping working families and discard the other two. …”
If it comes to that, i.e. a choice between expanded child tax credit, paid family medical leave or subsidies for child care, I would pick the expanded child tax credit in a heartbeat. It is near-universal (because it phases out at annual income of 150K on joint returns, and the median annual family income in US is only about 68K) , and doesn’t depend on varying individual circumstances, like family medical leave or child care would do.
Pick the expanded child tax credit at $100B a year for 4 years, and then run the 2022 and 2024 elections on whether the people want it to end in Jan 2023 and Jan 2025. If they want it to end, they can vote for the Republicans (who will then hand off all that money – and then some, as subsidies to Big Pharma, dirty Big Oil etc.)
whirlaway
2 years ago
Well, apparently the bathroom is the only place that they could catch her. She has closed all other avenues of interaction – phone calls, meeting in office, public meetings, town hall events…
” Sinema has “denied our requests, ignored our phone calls, and closed her office to her constituents. She hasn’t had a public event or town hall in years,” the email from LUCHA said, “No one wants to meet with their senator in the restroom.” “
If this is true, then I have no objection to them catching her wherever they can.
The alternative is for Sinema to take phone calls not just from corporate bosses, but from the voters as well, and hold town hall meetings for her voters. You know, the things that an elected official is reasonably expected to do.
Presuming those persons are citizens of Arizona, she is their elected representative. However, there are 2 senators for roughly 7.5 million people in that state – if all the persons of voting age felt entitled to a dialogue with her it wouldn’t be possible. Having a sense of entitlement doesn’t mean you’ll get what you want.
As for those ‘town hall meetings’ you write of, they are scripted media events. Fringe activist groups would have to corner her in a restroom there too.
Well, ALL voters trying to meet an elected representative has never ever happened. So that is a BS argument. The point is that Sinema has not met with ANY of her regular American voters.
Town hall meetings can be as scripted or as unscripted as what the elected representative wants to have.
Perhaps there are another 10 to 15 other DONORcrat Senators who are in the same camp – like Tester, Warner, Carper, Shaheen etc., and even Feinstein. They are keeping quiet because they follow the “rotating villain” strategy, which is used to hide the fact that the DONORcrat Party is actually a right-wing party with a veneer of a socially liberal ideology (and even that is not sincerely held).
RonJ
2 years ago
Psaki “Of course, we stand for the fundamental right of people to protest, to object, to criticize”
Unless it is to a school board. Then it is domestic terrorism.
KidHorn
2 years ago
The same people who were in favor of racial riots in the summer of 2020. Is this a surprise they were in favor of this? Small peanuts compared to looting and burning of inner cities.
The interesting thing is how unimaginative liberals see a combination of Nazis and the Taliban around every corner and under their bed whenever “the right” even breaks wind yet are completely oblivious to the historical parallels at play within their side of the political spectrum. I see more parallels between antifa, BLM and the various associated leftist activist/protest groups with the SA than any supposed right leaning groups.
Doug78
2 years ago
She was reecorded on a telephone in a public bathroom. I thought that was a crime.
the insanity within the democrat side is off the charts nuclear……no party has created more serfs and been more full of hypocrites than that liberal sheep party
Corvinus
2 years ago
“The only people doesn’t happen to [are] people who have Secret Service standing around them.”
Can you imagine what people that obsess over Trump would be screaming if this had come out of his mouth?
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Ha.
Where was this Sanders back in 2016 with Donna Brazile & HRC??
Reptilicus
2 years ago
Sanders’ comments reveal the truth about “Democratic Socialism”. It’s no different than Bolshevism and other one party regimes.For them, the real vote happens within their own caucus. Nobody else matters. When the time comes for the general electorate to have a say, the decisions have already been made. Any possibility that the democratic result might not result in “socialism” as they see it, is disallowed. Thus Democratic socialism is a contradiction in terms. It cannot actually be democratic because it is majoritarianism only in their pre-ordained direction.
First, I should say everyone’s privacy is important and this behavior is not acceptable. But let’s look at some facts here before generalization of what “democratic Socialism” is or isn’t based on Sander’s comments: it is what todays “dialog” came down to, using some words and if it not your favorite, kick it to ground. Sinema is representing AZ democrats and already there is a lot of pull backs from her constituents about how she handles the proposals in discussions in Congress. She does not make herself available for interviews and never expressed any detailed reasons to her oppositions to proposals. West Virgina Sentor Manchin has made his position clear from the beginning and does not mind facing the blow, albeit from his what looks like a yacht answering questions from his people on boats. That picture says a lot about what today’s politics came down to.
At a reported value of $700K, that trawler of Manchin’s is probably the lowest price domicile in DC…….of any politician in either party. He does live on it.
Yes. When Sinema was asked in the Senate hallway as to where she stands on the issues, she gave a flippant and bullsh** reply: “In front of the elevator”. She deserves to be hounded. If she wants to be a private citizen, she can always resign.
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
“I don’t think they’re appropriate tactics, but it happens to everybody,” Biden responded. “The only people doesn’t happen to people who have Secret Service standing around them. So it’s part of the process.”
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Whoa. POTUS admitting US a cesspool … and refusing to do anything?
TCW
2 years ago
Those folks should be slapped with a lawsuit.
ajc1970
2 years ago
If the stalker didn’t drive her to the GOP, Biden’s & Sander’s response should have.
Activists tend to be thoughtless and act on emotion and impulse, not reason. Idiots will do what idiots do.
But it’s unacceptable for her colleagues to condone that behavior towards her.
She’s bisexual. Good luck getting the conservative Republicans to vote for her.
She has no future in the Republican Party. More likely, she will probably end up being a VP for Diversity or something like that, at one of the pharma or Wall Street financial companies whose bidding she is doing right now.
caradoc-again
2 years ago
Unacceptable. Totally.
Anyone thinking this is OK has a mental problem.
Mob rule and it will get worse if the people at the top turn a blind eye until anything goes.
Henry_MixMaster
2 years ago
But death threats and harassment from the MAGA and anti-vaxxers and Q Anon are ok?
Try to stay on topic. But since you’ve decided to vomit on this message board, at least clean it up — what death threats from “the MAGA” and Q Anon have occurred and against whom? And who said that these situations were “ok?”
If it comes to that, i.e. a choice between expanded child tax credit, paid family medical leave or subsidies for child care, I would pick the expanded child tax credit in a heartbeat. It is near-universal (because it phases out at annual income of 150K on joint returns, and the median annual family income in US is only about 68K) , and doesn’t depend on varying individual circumstances, like family medical leave or child care would do.
Pick the expanded child tax credit at $100B a year for 4 years, and then run the 2022 and 2024 elections on whether the people want it to end in Jan 2023 and Jan 2025. If they want it to end, they can vote for the Republicans (who will then hand off all that money – and then some, as subsidies to Big Pharma, dirty Big Oil etc.)
If this is true, then I have no objection to them catching her wherever they can.
Thus Democratic socialism is a contradiction in terms. It cannot actually be democratic because it is majoritarianism only in their pre-ordained direction.
She has no future in the Republican Party. More likely, she will probably end up being a VP for Diversity or something like that, at one of the pharma or Wall Street financial companies whose bidding she is doing right now.