Law, Not a Recommendation
Following a huge surge in the number of Covid cases, Sweden Bans Public Events of More Than Eight People.
The new limit is part of the Public Order Act and therefore is a law, not a recommendation like many of Sweden’s coronavirus measures. People who violate the ban by organising larger events could face fines or even imprisonment of up to six months.
“It’s going to get worse. Do your duty and take responsibility to stop the spread of infection. I’ll say it again. It’s going to get worse. Do your duty and take responsibility to stop the spread of infection,” said Prime Minister Stefan Löfven at the press conference on Monday.
Prime Minister Stefan Löfven said “we can’t regulate every social gathering” but urged people to follow the new limit at all kinds of events.
This is the new norm for the whole society, for all of Sweden. Don’t go to the gym. Don’t go to the library. Don’t have dinners. Don’t have parties. Cancel,” he said.
This new law change follows an announcement last week that Sweden would ban the sale of alcohol at bars, restaurants and pubs after 10pm. In connection with that announcement, Löfven gave a stark warning to residents of Sweden in a speech where he warned “every decision you make matters” and said that too many people had begun to relax.
The order takes effect on November 24th and will last for four weeks.
Cumulative Deaths Per Million (Log)
Cumulative Deaths Per Million (Linear)
The linear chart puts Sweden vs the rest of the Scandinavian countries as well as the US in better perspective.
Mish
Some interesting COVID data out of the UK.
Well Mish do not like truth :
Coronavirus Cases:
192,439
Deaths:
6,225
Number of people in Sweden 10 million
link to worldometers.info
The head-line should have read Sweden abandons the Swedish model
There’s no abandonment of the Swedish model. Schools, businesses, bars, restaurants and cafes remained open. There’s been some adjustment for what has been a very successful no-lockdown approach to virus mitigation.
Schools, businesses, bars, restaurants and cafes remained open. There’s been some adjustment for what has been a very successful no-lockdown, no mask mandate approach to virus mitigation.
Wouldn’t it be easier to just get the Russian vaccine?
What to make of this report, with 90% asymptomatic (testing is a failure?) and lockdown no change (small sample size?)?
Anda–again, the “quarantined” group came in with a couple of covid positive people. Despite the many precautions, it spread to others in the group.
Read the effn study.
Study group were 16 of 1847 day 0, (presumably all with virus were separated because of ethical questions if nothing else), and by day 7 another 24 had virus. All of those could have been infected beforehand because symptoms (so result of pcr) are roughly a week. A further 11 had the virus by day 14.
The sum to me is that after all that and under strict conditions, infections dropped from 16 to 24 down to 11.
Comparison with the trial group is lacking because they were not tested day 0 and 7, and so cannot be used as a control group.
I did read the article, and because the results were unusual appreciate the ideas put forward.
Thanks to those who replied, I guess it is going to stay as a report that makes question. We seem to be lacking in these sort of real world studies.
I read the article, thanks for linking
Ha ha ha. I see the usual suspects are out in force here posting the same boring finger wagging over and over again.
Meanwhile, I just heard that two of my nieces and their kids (from WA & NY) along with one of my sisters from NJ are all heading to South Padre island for Thanksgiving week. I was invited but turned it down. Gov Newsom might not let me back into CA!
My father told me a Thanks Giving joke. In Minnesota, thanks giving and home guests is recently limited to (I think) 3, funerals to 30.
So he’s going have a funeral to morn the passing of the family member turkey at his home for his friends.
Finland and Norway locked down. Sweden did not. Of the three, Finland has the least economic damage, and Norway and Sweden are similar. Does locking down hurt the economy? Yes. Does not locking down hurt the economy? Yes.
People need to stop thinking there is one magic answer
Some explanations here
Intestingly…I just saw a chart comparing YTD global stock market indices. The U.S. is up 12% and far above many other countries. Go Figure.
There is a magic answer, for everything: “It’s the liberals fault.”
For all of those wondering how people can be so stupid here’s a reminder that this is not the first time this has happened. All you need is a messianic figure who tells people what they want to hear. The only difference between Trump and Jim Jones is scale. Jones’ accomplishment was before the time of the essentially free communication of the Internet, which is what DT has used to accomplish his magic.
If you don’t do the little stuff, you have to do the big stuff….
New cases in France down to under 10,000 two weeks after shutdown.
It was as high as 40 to 60K new cases a day in the previous weeks.
The stupidity carries them into death…
A South Dakota ER nurse tweets…
I have a night off from the hospital. As I’m on my couch with my dog I can’t help but think of the Covid patients the last few days. The ones that stick out are those who still don’t believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is…
…Going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real. Yes. This really happens. And…
….I can’t stop thinking about it. These people really think this isn’t going to happen to them. And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. It’s like a fucking horror movie that never ends. There’s no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.
…..“Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”…Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said….
Future psychologists need to explain why there are two parallel worlds. It’s unreal and so sad too.
Time for The Last Supper to be staged in a smashed-out window display at the State Street Macy’s.
Do they have a Treump there teu ? … …I can t fckn print a swedish o with dots, that explains the eu…. to make things comprehensible for mostly monoglot americans…
This is a good read and highlights parts of body seen to have been impacted by cv19 in post mortem victims. Much more than the lungs.
Take a look at the diagrams.
link to ccforum.biomedcentral.com
Attribution of cause of death is critical and not globally uniform.
UK counts any deaths 28 days after a positive cv19 test result.
But these are the same people who believe the Guiliani grand theory of election stealing….they’re absolutely insane…
… Guiliani..“It’s way beyond what people think, including a very, very dangerous foreign company that did the votes in 27 states, a company that’s not American, a company that’s foreign, a company that has close, close ties with Venezuela and, therefore, China and uses a Venezuelan company software that’s been used to steal elections in other countries.”
“I mean, I don’t think people have any idea of the dimension of the national security problem that Dominion creates. This Dominion company is a radical-left company. One of the people there is a big supporter of antifa and has written horrible things about the president for the last three or four years. And, the software that they use is done by a company called Smartmatic, a company that was founded by [Hugo] Chávez and by Chávez’s two allies, who still own it. And it’s been used to cheat in elections in South America. It was banned by the United States several — about a decade ago. It’s come back now as a subcontractor to other companies. It sort of hides in the weeds. But Dominion sends everything to Smartmatic. Can you believe it? Our votes are sent overseas. They are sent to someplace else, some other country. Why do they leave our country?.”…
Who knew Chavez was so…smartmatic…moving handles from beyond the grave…
No one other than right wing ideologues believes Sweden’s Covid strategy is a success
I am swimming upstream but I’m telling my family we should not even have a small family gathering for Thanksgiving…..not even aunts uncles and cousins.
It is our long tradition to have this meal outside in the park anyway…..and over the years we have seen many other people follow our lead and do a similar thing. TG Day is typically a glorious late fall day here, albeit with the occasional cold front that can blow in out of nowhere and drop the temperature 20 degrees in minutes.
These have created some interesting photo ops of us all standing around a barbecue pit ,wrapped in our post-prandial napping blankets…..trying to stay warm. But that’s the exception. Nine out of ten years it’s gorgeous.
I’m hesitant to even do it outdoors. I’m also thinking that it’s time to stop eating in restaurants again, even though it hasn’t created any problems for us over the past 4 or 5 months since we went back to that on a limited basis. I think take-out is safer, and I hope my favorite eating establishments understand…and will accommodate our needs……
Being an essential business….we only ever locked down completely for one week…but I did work far fewer hours and only saw emergencies during the spring lockdown. We are hoping to be able to keep working, just like everyone else…..but our risk is increasing.
I don’t see Texas locking down again…..unless the bodies are stacked like cord wood.
All areas of Texas are having an uptick….but it isn’t like North Dakota by any means….except for a few hot spots….it remains to be seen if more modest public health measures will keep us at manageable levels……I don’t know…..
But that it what we should do….all of us…..instead of questioning masks and SD’ing…we should just use our own common sense and skip choir practice and ladies night at the bar for a few more months…..keep the trips to the stores to necessary ones…..and not congregate for whatever “mostly peaceful protests” or election fraud demonstrations ……one might happen to think is so important it Trumps good public health.
I think the linear chart is better for this series of data, it provides a more realistic picture.
The hilarity on the right over Sweden is insane. Telling a Swede to social distance is like telling a duck to go to water. Trust me I know. That is why Denmark and Norway have such good numbers, it is the culture.
I have been told that the Herd Immunity has been the ultimate solution that the U.S. should follow. Now let’s see what new narratives they will make up.
Lockdowns were supposed to have been the solution, but obviously, they failed. Experts said cases would pick up where they left off when lockdowns ended, which is what happened.
There isn’t a new narrative to be made up. Herd immunity is nature, which has been around for eons. Mother nature knows best, as they say. But still, we fight mother nature.
Hey Ron, did you notice the 4 or 5 months after the first lock-downs ended?
May, June, July, August, September?
Lots of people out, hanging out, going to restaurants and bars, at the grocery stores and Walmart and Taget and all of the other stores.
Fewer restrictions, people not wearing masks, “hoax” time…everyone hating on the nattering nabobs of negativeism who were saying “watch out”…
Remember all the people saying that all schools should re-open in person–kids don’t get it or pass it on?
Well here we are again!!
Lockdown time, again…the dummies didn’t learn…
What is funny though is that governments in the west locked down then reopened without clearing the virus and without installing any further measures. That is not just the US but many other countries also. People will be how they are, but what was needed was to eradicate the virus nationally then seal a country (quarantines) and reopen with some cautions in place, China and a few others are example (except they expected others to stay open for them). This could have been done before the outbreak much more easily than the current “game” of half measures then hard measures on and off. Now the virus is established it will be much harder.
Alternatively there is the Sweden model of no lockdowns, no aim to eliminate the virus, just increasing measures as there are surges to keep care services available, while also trying to protect the vulnerable.
So to my view how to, or who might be, blamed for failed reaction is a bit complex, but I see a lot more contradiction in how various governments behave than in how people are, because with people there will always be sets who would choose either one or the other of the above examples, plus those who prefer neither. Government on the other hand is “supposed to” choose a steady course and make that course clear, not mix up a whole load of different policies depending on whatever criteria just happens to appeal at any moment.
Next will be the vaccine push, we will see where that goes also.
How many children 0-17 yrs old died? In the last 8 months, 20000 children have died in the US.
How many from Covid? About 400. Closing schools makes total sense.
This site used to do numbers. Now I see we’re getting more comments from gotcha articles.
Never understood the right’s fascination with the “pursuit of herd immunity through infection in Sweden.” Looks like the boom is coming around as the winds shift. Watch yer head.
Never understood the left’s fascination with banning all that that makes life worthwhile.
Mask and distancing too difficult for you, huh?
Just jump straight to banning everything? — Oh, I see – projection of your own stupidity on to ‘others’.