I was curious about what a six month old fetus was like, and I was kinda shocked by what I found. It’s about the size of a lentil and looks nothing like a human being, link to babycenter.com. This will likely become a person, but it’s not a human now.
Cocoa
2 years ago
The US is dominated by a predatory legal system that is abused to make money for random people. Suing stores for not having wheelchair access, locking folks up in legal fees and court dates.
StukiMoi
2 years ago
More Government by arbitrary ambulance chasers, in the grand tradition of our pathetic little dystopia.
If abortion is killing children, throw the guy in jail for murdering and dismembering a kid. If it’s not killing children, then why the heck is some trashbag attempting to profiteer off of kangaroo court abuse doing, harassing people? It’s either premeditated murder or it’s nothing at all. There are no kinda-sorta, yes but, like, what??, baaaad!! But HUhh??? say the retards. As always…
Bungalow Bill
2 years ago
I am pro-life, but as usual with the modern day Republicans, they have made their attempt to outlaw abortion to be nothing more than a circus. In the end, history will show the Republicans screwed the pro-life movement with legislation like this.
Soon the Democrats will write parallel legislation that will allow these silly lawsuits in cases of gun violence. Once again we will see the true cost of “owning the libs.”
Unlike abortion legislation I would expect more limits on weapons. It will just take a really bad event for it to happen like a massive domestic terrorist attack. Think January 6th but worse like congressman and senators getting killed.
IB6
2 years ago
My personal opinion is that this anti-abortion bill is the worst legislation coming out of Texas I have seen since 1960’s. It is an attempt to enforce beliefs of a particular religion on everyone, even on atheists + it is blatantly anti-constitutional.
However, it seems that Mish and many commenters here do not see why the TX legislature passed this bill. They are fishing for South Texas Hispanic votes, who are religious and are becoming a more and more significant voting block due to their sheer numbers and the fact that they started voting en masse in 2020 elections for the first time. If Abbot &Co wins over their vote, TX will be R for decades, eventually with a Spanish speaking GOP which will cause cognitive dissonance on both Left and Right.
In last elections, this woman: link to twitter.com almost unseated an entrenched D congressman (51-48), with little if any support from establishment. She will be elected next time. Please read what she says, and please understand that this is a fairly typical way how rural and small town S TX Hispanics think.
About Apple and other companies pulling out of Texas, that will never happen since $$$ are much more important than anything else. They all are still in China, where Uighur treatment borders on genocide…so keep dreaming.
I think for many people it comes down to fundamental humanity, and protecting a life, which was also a difficult issue for the US Supreme Court in Roe vs Wade, btw. At what point should a human fetus be protected?
Unlimited abortion raises all sorts of questions. For example, fetal viability generally sets a cut off for abortions, yet late term abortion is increasingly performed, and not for medical reasons having to do with the mother and fetus. How do you feel about the sale of fetal parts? What about fetal farming? What about aborting girl babies (as was done in China?) If/when there is a DNA test for such things as intelligence, or homosexuality, is abortion still allowed if the mother wants a ‘perfect’ child?
Imposing values and beliefs cuts BOTH ways. What if I said, those with low regard for human life favor abortion? That abortion is a convenience for ignorant slutty women? Abortion is symbolic sacrifice (as it is to other religious groups)? Yes, offensive–that’s the problem with values and beliefs–they are all over the place..
Unfortunately, there is a huge overlap between supporters of prohibiting abortion, supporters of bombing foreign countries (which results in huge number of collateral deaths), and supporters of death penalty (which inevitably results in someone innocent getting executed). Intellectual consistency would require that if we think all human life is sacred, we should not be droning half of the world and should not be executing even criminals. Afghan family seven kids, recently droned by Bidet incompetent generals, take precedence in importance, at least for me. Where are legislatures protesting that?
I don’t think that any sane person can support unlimited abortion. However, the new TX law goes way beyond that. This is a huge overkill and is a stealthy way of trying to outlaw abortions. Not different from various exciting gun regulations by so-called liberals, who are also trying to outlaw guns in the same sneaky way.
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
This abortion law is going to put Texas in play permanently for the Dems. If they would get out of the way and let Mathew McConaughey run, he would win in a landslide.
Ironic. You post that this will put Texas in play permanently for the Dems, and the next post implies that it will lock Texas up for Republicans for decades. One or the other of you could be right, or perhaps neither, it it will have little if any net impact, moving some to the Republican side, and others to the Democrat side.
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
OT. Looks like there was a PPT drop today on the markets. A few analysts said to buy yesterday.
I put my toes in the water this morning…..not for a trade really, but because I thought it looked like PSX was in my buy zone. I hope to hold this one long term….even if we correct hugely, which I do not expect anytime real soon…..maybe next year. I h.ope this one turns into a long term hold….we’ll see how it works out.
Isn’t tomorrow the day Chairman Powell jawbones the marketer back up?
Varth
2 years ago
The statement, “Allowing people who were not injured in any way to sue for damages when there are no damages is clearly unconstitutional”, is not correct in law. There have been Qui Tam actions for centuries under common law. It is not on point for the Texas law at issue here merely a correction to the above in parenthetical statement.
I appreciate the Qui Tam action issue you raise, but isn’t the Texas law (allowing non-injured and non-related party to sue for damages) also about locus standi, thereby granting standing by action of law? If only the ‘mother’ can sue as the injured party, there would be no point to having the law
Doug78
2 years ago
The law will be decided in the Supreme Court as the system
was set up to do to resolve from a legal point of view changes in society. It
probably will make all the zealots on both sides very unhappy so f__k them. Hopefully
the Court will come up with workable guidelines and we can go forward.
Carl_R
2 years ago
Re: “Whether one is for or against abortion, the Texas law is beyond idiotic.”
Which is why I expect to see the law struck down without revisiting Roe v. Wade.
TexasTim65
2 years ago
The sooner this gets to the Supreme Court to be ruled on the better and I agree with Mish that it’s certain to be struck down.
The cynic in me also thinks it was deliberately worded and a case filed immediately in order to fast track it to the Supreme Court in order to establish a legal precedent (perhaps against mandatory Vax or something similar).
But I don’t think the precedent is meant to be about Roe vs Wade. That’s just the smokescreen to garner public attention.
I think it’s about using a 3rd party person to do an end around for government legislation (ie allowing 3rd person to sue who has no interest / is not directly damaged) that’s not enforceable/already been ruled against in court. For example using businesses to enforce vax mandates.
dbannist
2 years ago
Politically, I hate that politics rules on moral affairs.
Realistically, I love that they do. I hate slavery and am glad it was decided politically.
I also hate abortion. I just wish the law was on the side of life more often.
I’m similarly inclined in terms of politics interfering with moral questions. I’d posit though that the difference is that the question of slavery is far more obvious and universally understandable as human rights issue and not grounded in a particular religious viewpoint. (In fact, if I recall correctly, slavery was accepted from a biblical point of view and arguments were made in support of it from that perspective )
I see abortion as a deeply personal issue and not one for which I feel a great deal of authority on which to comment on or decide for others. The fact is that the vast majority of opposition to abortion is based on religion – in the USA that means Christianity in particular. I’ve always felt this to be a bit paradoxical – the devout believe that god judges a person when they die, if that’s the case then why isn’t it enough to devout people that every woman that undergoes the procedure be judged individually in the hereafter and face whatever consequences they believe people face at that time?
Slave owners likewise thought it was a personal issue and felt it was unfair of the north to make decisions for them over whether or not they could own slaves. Many of the slave owners didn’t understand why anyone cared.
The issue for conservatives (like myself), is that it’s not just about God judging a person when they die. It’s about the present. We don’t allow robbery to be legal because “God will judge them one day”. We also don’t allow homicide to be legal “because God will judge them one day.”
On the contrary, we don’t allow those things to be legal because God also cares about the present situation of all of his Creation. Slavery is the violation of the human rights of oppressed people groups (not just blacks). Homicide is the violation of the rights of the one murdered. Robbery is the violation of human rights of the one being dispossessed of property.
These are moral issues that ultimately provide a legal basis for human rights.
Abortion is the same: Human rights also should apply to the unborn. The legality of abortion is always a question of who has more human rights, the woman or the baby? Generally, the law seeks to answer that question by taking the road of the path that violates the least number of rights. For instance, taxation offers the government the ability to build a road but also by taking money from me to do so. The benefit is worth it to me because I benefit also.
Conservatives, like me, argue that a woman’s right not to be pregnant are not more important that the right of the baby to live. It’s hard to argue for abortion from a purely moral perspective since it’s obvious a right to life is the highest right a human has. Therefore the logic of those in support of abortion argue that the fetus isnt’ alive until such and such week and that abortion should be allowed. There is no consistency in these arguments because of the failure to answer the question of “what is life”?
Some thoughts and musings of a conservative here.
Zardoz
2 years ago
This is rule by riff raff. The roly poly terrorists are on the rise.
KidHorn
2 years ago
I don’t care much about how this turns out, but democrats complaining about republicans not following Roe v Wade is extremely hypocritical considering their blatantly not enforcing immigration laws.
We spend $30b enforcing immigration laws. How much more do you want?
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
I truly fear for the future of the US. We are effectively in a civil war since Trump (an alleged rapist) and the Republicans unleashed themselves on the public. While the Texas law may be unconstitutional, it may also serve the purpose of reviewing the Roe decision against the highest court. The Federalist Society nominated all of the right wing judges there and on federal circuit courts. The Texas law feels more like a version of the American Taliban. Only time will tell what direction this all leads but rest assured it’s not good.
The so-called civil war (essentially just a divide between city and country people) has been around and going on LONG before Trump came into office. Its at least least a few decades (since the 90’s) old now. It’s just that social media has amplified everything to 11.
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
FYI The Supreme Court will hear arguments Dec. 1 in Mississippi’s bid to
have the landmark Roe v. Wade decision guaranteeing a woman’s right to
an abortion overturned. Mississippi is “asking the high court to uphold its ban on most abortions after the 15th
week of pregnancy. The state has told the court it should overrule Roe
and the 1992 decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that prevent states
from banning abortion before viability, the point at which a fetus can
survive outside the womb, around 24 weeks of pregnancy.”
Apparently, medical treatment has advanced a long way since 1992.
Given the limitation of fetus viability, the Mississippi case might be the undoing of Roe Vs. Wade.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
The stupid new Texas law is probably going to be struck down….and I don’t really expect the supremes to overturn Roe.
But……you have to understand that the damage is largely done, and we aren’t going back to what we had before 2010. Planned Parenthood has been dealt a death blow by all the red state legislatures, who have managed to regulate abortion clinics out of existence for all intents and purposes.
Credit goes to Catholic and Evangelical voters, who used to see abortion differently, but came together in the early 2000’s to elect a bunch of extremely conservative Bible-thumping state senators and legislators who were also helped greatly by Charles Koch and similar super-rich pro-life Republicans who threw crazy money at this issue.
These same people are clueless about the long term consequences of making it hard for poor women to get abortions. . They also will never admit that the coming societal problems are theirs to own…..instead they’ll just go back to their old tactic of being hard on crime.
This reeks of hypocrisy, because when the college-bound cheerleader daughters of the rich and upper middle class Evangelicals get pregnant out of wedlock in high school, these same Bible-thumping Christians will fly their kids wherever they have to go to terminate those pregnancies, no matter how many weeks they are into gestation.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7
Oh, you want to teach ME scripture? I’m actually fairly conversant with the teachings of Christ.
John Chapter 8,
3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Nown the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first tothrow a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no onecondemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said,“Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”
12Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will notwalk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to him, “You are bearing witness about yourself; your testimony is not true.” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witnessabout myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.
I was merely pointing out, in reference to the term you used, ‘hypocrite,’ that not everyone who calls themselves Christian is saved. Many are deceived. In reference to verses you posted, Christ is not the judge, his father in heaven is, as verse 16 continues to say, “But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.”
I responded and my reply got immediately sent to moderation purgatory. Let’s see if I can say it again and get under the radar.
“Are you a believer?”
Yes, I could no more stop being a *hristian than Mike Bloomberg could stop being a J*w. But my beliefs are not those of my *vangel*cal neighbors. Not by a long shot.
I understand. I’m evangelical in that I believe the Bible is God’s inerrant word. But some tend to act more like the Pharisees than Christ in that they can be self-righteous and look down on others rather than coming along side of people as sinners themselves.
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Soon the Democrats will write parallel legislation that will allow these silly lawsuits in cases of gun violence. Once again we will see the true cost of “owning the libs.”
The law will be decided in the Supreme Court as the system
was set up to do to resolve from a legal point of view changes in society. It
probably will make all the zealots on both sides very unhappy so f__k them. Hopefully
the Court will come up with workable guidelines and we can go forward.
Realistically, I love that they do. I hate slavery and am glad it was decided politically.
I also hate abortion. I just wish the law was on the side of life more often.
The issue for conservatives (like myself), is that it’s not just about God judging a person when they die. It’s about the present. We don’t allow robbery to be legal because “God will judge them one day”. We also don’t allow homicide to be legal “because God will judge them one day.”
On the contrary, we don’t allow those things to be legal because God also cares about the present situation of all of his Creation. Slavery is the violation of the human rights of oppressed people groups (not just blacks). Homicide is the violation of the rights of the one murdered. Robbery is the violation of human rights of the one being dispossessed of property.
These are moral issues that ultimately provide a legal basis for human rights.
Abortion is the same: Human rights also should apply to the unborn. The legality of abortion is always a question of who has more human rights, the woman or the baby? Generally, the law seeks to answer that question by taking the road of the path that violates the least number of rights. For instance, taxation offers the government the ability to build a road but also by taking money from me to do so. The benefit is worth it to me because I benefit also.
Conservatives, like me, argue that a woman’s right not to be pregnant are not more important that the right of the baby to live. It’s hard to argue for abortion from a purely moral perspective since it’s obvious a right to life is the highest right a human has. Therefore the logic of those in support of abortion argue that the fetus isnt’ alive until such and such week and that abortion should be allowed. There is no consistency in these arguments because of the failure to answer the question of “what is life”?
Some thoughts and musings of a conservative here.
have the landmark Roe v. Wade decision guaranteeing a woman’s right to
an abortion overturned. Mississippi is “asking the high court to uphold its ban on most abortions after the 15th
week of pregnancy. The state has told the court it should overrule Roe
and the 1992 decision in Planned Parenthood v. Casey that prevent states
from banning abortion before viability, the point at which a fetus can
survive outside the womb, around 24 weeks of pregnancy.”
3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Nown the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first tothrow a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no onecondemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said,“Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”
12Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will notwalk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” 13 So the Pharisees said to him, “You are bearing witness about yourself; your testimony is not true.” 14 Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witnessabout myself, my testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from or where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.