In a move sure to raise Trump’s ire, the EU May Bar American Travelers as It Reopens Borders.
European nations are currently haggling over two potential lists of acceptable visitors based on how countries are faring with the coronavirus pandemic.
Prohibiting American travelers from entering the European Union would have significant economic, cultural and geopolitical ramifications. Millions of American tourists visit Europe every summer. Business travel is common, given the huge economic ties between the United States and the E.U.
Despite the disruptions caused by such a ban, European officials involved in the talks said it was highly unlikely an exception would be made for the United States. They said that the criteria for creating the list of acceptable countries had been deliberately kept as scientific and nonpolitical as possible.
Benchmark
The benchmark is the E.U. average number of new infections — over the past 14 days — per 100,000 people, which is currently 16 for the bloc. The comparable number for the United States is 107, while Brazil’s is 190 and Russia’s is 80, according to a Times database.
The US is on Neither of the EU’s Safe Travel Lists
Both safe lists include China, Uganda, Cuba, and Vietnam.
Neither safe list includes the US.
US Proclamation on Covid Entry Risks
Yesterday, Trump released this Immigration Proclamation extending until December 31, 2020 the “Suspension of Entry of Immigrants Who Present a Risk to the United States Labor Market During the Economic Recovery Following the 2019 Novel Coronavirus Outbreak“.
Canada Fines US Travelers
Americans may go through Canada to get home to Alaska but they must travel along a direct path.
Last week, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Fined 7 Americans for stopping to sightsee in Banff National Park.
The seven US citizens were fined $1,200 each. Failure to comply with restrictions could lead to up to $750,000 in fines and imprisonment of up to six months.
Testing Dispute
In his Tulsa rally that totally flopped, Trump said had asked the government to slow testing because higher numbers look bad.
The Wall Street Journal reports Fauci Says Health Officials Haven’t Been Told to Slow Coronavirus Testing but the detail denials are amusing.
- “When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So, I said to my people, ‘slow the testing down, please,’” Mr. Trump said during the rally.
- Adm. Brett Giroir, who is coordinating coronavirus testing, said Tuesday that “neither the president nor anyone in the administration has suggested to me that they do less testing.”
- White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Monday cast the remark as a joke and said the president didn’t direct his staff to slow the rate of testing.
- Mr. Trump, asked Tuesday outside the White House whether he was kidding with the remark, said: “I don’t kid. Let me just tell you. Let me make it clear.”
Does that make any sense?
Five Possibilities
- Trump issued the order but an aide failed to deliver it.
- Trump changes his mind so often that he has no idea what he said or did when.
- Trump thinks the whole Covid thing is a joke.
- Trump himself is lying.
- Fauci and Giroir are both lying to protect Trump
It’s possible that numbers 1, 2, and 3 are simultaneously correct.
Trump’s Oklahoma Rally was an Enormous Half-Empty Flop
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Why give credibility to EU anyway ? It looks like just another attempt at power creep of EU, because I have not seen nations openly subscribe to EU border management due to virus. We had the same with the migrant waves, EU trying to assert a common border while its politics encouraged migration, while it erased national control of boundaries. Now what ? All countries in EU are going to follow the EU schedule, between each other even? Say Italy, it will reject US visitors because EU says so? It is creepy what is going on, even as different countries in EU fabricate their own narrative and reality using invented presentation of the virus as backdrop.
I would say having travel to EU closed would be an economic boon to the US as that would be spending kept in the US, but it is not that simple either. Business ties cannot all take place by teleconference for example, but more obviously restrictions placed by EU on US make visits to US by europeans more difficult. The main approach seems to be quarantining anyone returning from a country that is listed as unsafe. So visit the US and sit at home for two weeks when you return.
Either way the whole framework of travel within europe, and to neighbouring regions, is still very tentative, in spite of the advertisment of open for business, mostly tourism. For example there will be no mass migration between Morrocco and france this year, because the border is not open except case by case. In Spain some localities are going back into lockdown even. The idea that tourism will be anything normal this year is wishful thinking, ban or no ban. Spain closed 130 000 businesses so far, back to gfc level, and even before summer tourism doesn’t meet any expectations. I’ll post a link to that later. So US keeping qualified work to own nationals makes some sense also, plus international travel is liable to get disrupted again so better hiring local maybe ?
Long-term immunity after illness not certain….
BEIJING (Reuters) – Levels of an antibody found in recovered COVID-19 patients fell sharply in 2-3 months after infection for both symptomatic and asymptomatic patients, according to a Chinese study, raising questions about the length of any immunity against the novel coronavirus.
Not the only study out there supporting this…likely low to no anti-body’s by month 4. Yeesh….
It’s a cold virus. It will be like the flu but with no vaccine. Maybe it will disappear or mutate into something weaker. The good news is no intubation, remdesivir and steroids have cut the death rates by 33%.
No East Asian looking person will be going to Europe for a while I think. They’ll probably be subjected to racism in some of the more heavily impacted countries.
Not so much that kind of discrimination, or generally if people feel unsafe because of a person’s possibility of carrying virus they don’t make an obvious point about it. However there are political angles around, for example not to let in migrants, to keep borders closed even to other Europeans, registering migrant workers and so on. For sure though, apart from politicians trying to reassure how safe and welcoming their country is for tourists, I think there is a wariness and antagonism in society as it plays off the cost and benefits of the whole. It is like trying to keep different standards at the same time, for example economic necessity and own precaution mixed with official policy and data confusion, if not lies.
Reality is that there is a level of organised chaos and a lot of trepidation because the future re. the virus is unknown plus the real effects on the economy are only starting to become obvious and not just because of lockdowns.
So paying tourist, foreign resident, or qualified worker I think pretty much no problem, but for the rest there is a level of “unwanted” around. Some countries are going to have very high unemployment now also, they don’t blame foreigners so much for that, they would not do their work, but there is resentment all the same that builds up at the system.
No. There’s never been institutional racism against Chinese here like there was in America, no history of coolies, Chinatowns tend to be small. The MSM here has not at all followed the villification of China script for the epidemic that you see in the States. So I think your point has little basis in fact.
The isolation is to the benefit of the US because a mutant strain, possibly more lethal, is more likely the more travel takes place. When the rest of the world gets hit hard again. Those in the US will fair better through this global distancing.
“global distancing”
OMG! I am literally laughing uncontrollably! This sounds like something from South Park.
Elon Mask can lunch tRump to the Moon to achieve Earthly Distancing!
Don’t worry. US will be the first country having hard immunity. US will lead the world again from 2022 while the rest of the world suffering on and off bouts of resurgence.
There is no substitute for Hard immunity in this doggie dog world…
Die Hard.
Yippee Ki Yay
Woo hoo! We’re a shithole country! WINNING!
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration, eager to claim victory over the coronavirus, has been considering scaling back the national emergency declared earlier this year to control the pandemic, according to healthcare industry officials who have spoken with the administration.
The prospect has stoked alarm among public health leaders, physicians, hospital officials and others who are trying to control the outbreak and fear that such a move would make it more difficult for state and local governments and health systems to keep the coronavirus in check.
Pressed on the issue Tuesday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told the Los Angeles Times that no such move was imminent.
“I just spoke with the president,” she said, “and he said we are not looking at lifting the national emergency declarations.”
But White House officials have a history of contradicting themselves, most recently on Monday when McEnany claimed President Trump was joking over the weekend when he said he’d directed aides to slow coronavirus testing. Trump said Tuesday it wasn’t a joke.
Several industry officials interviewed by The Times said they’d received indications over the last week from the Trump administration that lifting emergency declarations was being considered.
“It was very much under discussion,” said one industry official, who asked not to be identified to avoid jeopardizing relationships with the administration.
For those of you who have never understood what ICU care for CV 19 patients consists of–the words of a 20 year nurse in NYC
…..These are my observations (of hospitalized patients):
Everybody is so swollen their skin has blisters and is so tight it looks like it’s about to burst, from head to heel. And skin so dry peeling and flaky that to slather Vaseline on every shift is almost necessary — all over.
Everybody’s skin is weeping clear fluid and has sores and the skin just slides off with slightest turn or rub, all over the body.
Everybody’s blood is thick as slush. Can’t figure out what’s making it clot like that, but it’s dark and thick.
Everybody’s kidneys are failing. Urine dark or red, which could contribute to the swelling, but we don’t know yet.
Everybody has an abnormal heart rhythm. Not sure of the cause. But even without underlying heart problems, it’s not beating normally.
Seems counterproductive, but the ones that are not breathing on the ventilator have to lay flat on their stomachs to breathe better. And even some on the ventilator are on their stomachs. And the slightest turn for some is what leads to their almost immediate death. Bathing, cleaning and turning to prevent skin breakdown causes most to code blue, so a decision has to be made on which is most important.
Everyone has a Foley catheter and a rectal tube — incontinent of bowel and bladder.
Everybody on tube feeding. Everybody.
Never before in my entire career have I seen a disease process attack in this way.
— 20-year veteran nurse in NYC via Dr. Dee Knight
Reminds me of the accounts I’ve read of native americans with smallpox and no immunity
“Second wave”?
You have to get through the first wave, first. What you see are the results of partial infection-control efforts being given up and the first wave resuming.
The first wave is sloshing around in the lesser traveled areas of the country and rising again in places that think sun and heat are going to kill the virus.
I understand your thinking and agree but the first vs second wave argument is more of just a label to signify when we opened up after the first lockdown.
You are correct though the first wave is still in full force.
It doesn’t matter. There is not magic cure coming.
The US will get though this second wave about the time Europe enters theirs.
I don’t expect travel to get back to any sort of normal until 2022 at the earliest.
Funny people aren’t talking about the problems with closed borders as an economic function. Seems like a big one.
And for the record it doesn’t matter who the president is/was. If Biden wins he will inherit the problems and butcher them up as bad as Trump. It’s a virus that doesn’t care who the president is or what measures are used to stop it. It just evolves to find a way. Wait for China’s next wave and watch how even the best strategy is bound to failure.
Europe may not get a second wave with test and trace.
The question is how much of their economy do they want to keep closed.
If they track and trace while keeping fewer than 50 people together it maybe possible to keep cases flat for awhile. The problem is like anywhere, one super spreader event can put you back several steps.
People in general are also selfish. Allow work places to go back and bars, clubs and schools to open and it only a matter of time.
How much of “their” economy they “want to keep closed,” is a rising function in both infection rate, and uncertainty about who and how many is infected.
With a high and rising rate, and if people don’t trust that contagion is under control, they will stay home. Indefinitely. No amount of “allowing,” downplaying nor otherwise playing ostrich in the White House will change that.
If you want “the economy” to pick up, you first have to instill confidence that there is no widespread background contagion. And the only way to do that, is to do as the East Asian countries have done the whole time, and the Euros seem to be working towards: First suppress contagion severely, until it is manageable with broad margins. No matter what, and how long, that may take. Then stand ready to knock down any subsequent outbreak, as aggressively as required, before it again spreads out of control.
Once people are reasonably confident that their authorities have contagion under sufficient control; so that whenever they are not locked in their homes, they are fairly safe; they’ll participate in the economy whenever they are not locked in their homes. But until that confidence is instilled, they won’t participate regardless of what Trump’s and Bolsonaro’s “official policy” may be.
I don’t know if you live in the US or not but no amount of contact tracing and testing was ever going to stop this.
We are a culture that works extremely hard and doesn’t take time off when sick. We are inherently suspicious of people in general and don’t trust the government to much degree.
I personally don’t think it will work anywhere in the long run. This virus is a very formidable foe. Unfortunately I think covid is just something we (and the rest of the world) are just going to have to deal with from here on out. How it mutates is the only real question.
Covid just popped a zit we call the fiat dollar. It was infected and was going to pop either way but covid did it with a steamroller. The consumer isn’t coming back for awhile.
You may well be right.
But there are such a thing as a better, and a worse, way to handle even an overall bad situation. In East Asian countries, which is nothing if not hardworking, contagion is currently low enough that few fear going to work even in their dense mega cities.
And they realize the benefits to keeping it that way, is worth the possibility of intermittent hard lock downs of even large areas, in those cases when a cluster of new infections should spring up. Since the rest of the time, doing so goes a long way towards ensuring that: In most places, most of the time, contagion risk will be low enough that one can be fairly confident about going about life more normally.
That’s just not going to happen here, since contagion is simply too widespread for anyone, at least outside the Spring Break and Riot age cohorts, to feel even remotely safe about going anywhere. So they won’t.
“The US will get though this second wave about the time Europe enters theirs.”
What leads you to think this is the second wave for us, and not a continuation of the initial wave? I’m not being critical, I’d just like to know your thinking.
It’s about semantics really. We are still in the first wave but I think differentiating between pre lockdown and post lockdown would label it as the second wave.
I just like labeling it that because most people(non informed) understand this phasing better than the informed people. It is undoubtably a propagation of the first wave.
Closed borders might not be as huge as you’d think. We mostly live in our screens now.
Making America Great Again!
Who said pariah was an undesirable state..