The Philadelphia Fed Just Revised Jobs Lower by 1.2 Million for Q2

Early Benchmark Revisions of State Payroll Employment

Please consider Early Benchmarks for All 50 States and the District of Columbia for the second quarter of 2022.

Estimates by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia indicate that the employment changes from March through June 2022 were significantly different in 33 states and the District of Columbia compared with current state estimates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) Current Employment Statistics (CES). Early benchmark estimates indicated higher changes in four states, lower changes in 29 states and the District of Columbia, and lesser changes in the remaining 17 states.  

In the aggregate, 10,500 net new jobs were added during the period rather than the 1,121,500 jobs estimated by the sum of the states; the U.S. CES estimated net growth of 1,047,000 jobs for the period. Payroll jobs in the nation remained essentially flat from March through June 2022 after adjusting for QCEW data.  

Early Benchmark Methodology

Preliminary (not-yet-benchmarked) state employment estimates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) continue to be subject to significant revisions around turning points in the economy. These large revisions occur primarily because the preliminary state estimates are based on a small sample of firms, while subsequent annual benchmark revisions incorporate other BLS data based on a full count from nearly all firms.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia has developed early benchmark estimates of monthly state payroll employment on a quarterly basis to predict the subsequent annual benchmark revisions by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Our process enhances the monthly Current Employment Survey (CES) payroll employment data with the more comprehensive Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages (QCEW) payroll employment data. The CES provides a timely estimate of monthly state employment data, but the QCEW follows about five months later with a more complete picture, covering more than 95 percent of all employers. 

Synopsis

  • The BLS Current Employment Survey (CES), the monthly jobs report, is timely but inaccurate, and grossly inaccurate at turns. 
  • Nonetheless, economic cheerleaders tout the monthly data even when the household survey shows major discrepancies. 

For months on end, we heard an endless stream of “Jobs are too strong for there to be a recession,” despite the known fact that jobs are a lagging indicator, and despite the Household Report differs strongly.

My long-held position has been the household survey is more likely to be accurate at turns. 

Fall & Winter Double Issue

With that background please consider the Philadelphia Fed Fall & Economic Insights Winter Double Issue for 2022 Q3 and Q4, emphasis mine.

 Using QCEW Data to Revise Estimates In March of each year, the BLS releases revised estimates of monthly nonfarm payroll employment for states and metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) as part of its Current Employment Statistics (CES) program. For its annual revisions of CES state estimates, the BLS incorporates more comprehensive data from the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages (QCEW) program, which is also released by the BLS. The BLS also introduces new seasonal adjustment factors and other corrections to make the data revisions more accurate. For our purposes, the most significant monthly revisions affect the prior seven quarters of data. The QCEW data make a significant contribution to the annual revisions. Whereas the QCEW data cover more than 95 percent of all employers, the CES sample represents just 6 percent of the QCEW total. Therefore, the CES state estimates that result from the annual revision process reflect the broad universe of firms (as well as new seasonal factors) and thus more accurately depict a state’s job growth trend than does the original CES sample alone. 

The CES program relies on a monthly nationwide survey of about 131,000 businesses and government agencies representing about 670,000 establishments. These samples are used to estimate total employment not only of states and MSAs but also of industrial sectors within states and MSAs. In contrast to the CES sample of 670,000 establishments, the QCEW program reported employment counts for nearly 11 million establishments covered by state and federal unemployment insurance (UI) laws in the first quarter of 2021. The QCEW data for October, November, and December 2021 were released on June 8, 2022.

The monthly jobs report by the BLS samples a mere 6 percent of jobs. Yet people put as much faith in these reports as they do the Bible.

Looking Ahead 

If payroll job growth did shift to a markedly slower pace during the second quarter of the year as interest rates were raised to counter high inflation, our Early Benchmark process should note larger downward revisions in December 2022. Not until February 2024—with the incorporation of the March 2023 benchmarks—will the CES estimates offer a full accounting of U.S. employment for the bulk of 2022. Unfortunately, our Early Benchmarks lag the moments when critical policy deliberations are made, but they do offer earlier confirmation of apparent shifts in recent payroll job trends. And pervasive, persistent, and deep downward revisions may presage the NBER’s declaration of a recession.  

Hoot of the Day

The BLS will finally have a good accounting of what’s happening right now with jobs in February of 2024, about 14 months too late. 

With that observation, consider what I have been saying for many months.

Another Strong Jobs Report? Phooey, and I Can Prove It

Payroll and employment data from the BLS, chart by Mish

Please consider my December 2, 2022 post Another Strong Jobs Report? Phooey, and I Can Prove It

Initial Thoughts

  • The discrepancy between jobs and employment continues for the eighth month.
  • Lost in the unemployment and jobs headline noise are huge divergences between jobs and employment dating back to March.

Payrolls vs Employment Since March 2022

  • Nonfarm Payrolls: +2,692,000
  • Employment Level: +12,000
  • Full Time Employment: -398,000

Employment fell by 138,000 in November.

Full time employment is down 398,000 since March and down by 480,000 since May!

Typical Headlines

  • The StreetInsider headline says “U.S. job juggernaut rolled on in November; nonfarm payrolls up 263,000”
  • The Wall Street Journal headline says “U.S. Economy Added 263,000 Jobs in November”

Both reports and mainstream in general miss the big picture captured in my lead chart.

The internal details have been weak for 8 month and I have been talking about the discrepancy for six of them. 

Q&A What’s Going On?

Q: Hey Mish, What’s Going On?
A: People are taking on second part time jobs to make ends meet. But overall employment (the total number of people working is stagnant.

As I have been saying for many months, don’t watch the unemployment rate, watch employment levels.

But hooray! The media reports of a “strong jobs juggernaut” continue unabated.

For March, the BLS said full-time employment was 132,718,000. For December, the BLS said 132,320,00, a decline of 398,000. This discrepancy has lasted 8 straight months. 

Everything points to part time jobs to fueling the job gains (assuming there were gains of any kind).

The StreetInsider forgot to look inside the jobs report to come up with a headline of “U.S. job juggernaut rolled on in November.

Just Noise

The BLS provides data used to attribute the 2 million diff.” 

And how timely is that data?

Mish: “Does job data noise last 8 months? I think not. I have tracked job divergences for 10 years and never saw one go beyond 3 months to any degree. GDP resolved in favor of GDI [Gross Domestic Income]. What is the likelihood this goes the other way?

Questions Answered

1: Apparently not
2: Right now, something approaching 100 percent

Splitting the difference or averaging is reasonable to a point. It’s what the NBER does, sort of

Q: Why, do I say “sort of” for the NBER? 

A: The NBER waits so long to declare recessions that major discrepancies have already been revised away. By the time the NBER declares recession, the GDP-GDI discrepancy will be resolved and the Employment-Jobs discrepancy resolved as well.

In this case, once the BEA revised GDI (income) lower, the odds of jobs revisions shot up.

By the way, that jobs revisions is a Philly Fed estimate. The BLS will keep reporting nonsense until its next revision in March. 

“No Recession” Idea Based On GDI Was Just Revised Out the Window

I discussed the GDI-GDP discrepancy on September 29 in “No Recession” Idea Based On GDI Was Just Revised Out the Window

As predicted in this corner, the idea that Gross Domestic Income was too strong for the US to be in recession was just revised out the window.

Given Income was revised lower, what should one have expected from jobs?

With that GDI revision, I thought it was reasonably clear recession had started or soon would.

However, a collapse in exports in favor of domestic demand in Q3 may have sunk that idea. 

Regardless, the 4th quarter is not over yet and weakness everywhere is pronounced.

Barring GDP revisions, perhaps a recession started in November. Previously, I penciled in May. Apologies offered if turns out to be later.

Housing Supporting Evidence 

Existing home sales from the National Association of Realtors via St. Louis Fed

Please note Existing Home Sales Decline 9th Month, Down Another 5.9 Percent

Except in recessions, nothing like that has ever happened.

Industrial Production Supporting Evidence

In case you missed it, please note The Fed’s Industrial Production Report is a Disaster, Cyclical Data Signals Recession

Clean Sweep for Cyclicals

  • Manufacturing Durable Goods: -3.79 Percent
  • Motor Vehicles and Parts: -2.84 Percent
  • Consumer Durable Goods: -2.12 Percent
  • Manufacturing: -0.61

Retail Sales Evidence

  • Food Service: +0.9 percent
  • Food Stores: +0.8 percent
  • Gas Stations: -0.1 Percent
  • General Merchandise: -0.1 Percent
  • Excluding Motor Vehicles and Gas: -0.2 Percent
  • Excluding Motor Vehicles: -0.2 Percent
  • Nonstore (Think Amazon): -0.9 Percent
  • Motor Vehicles: -2.3 Percent
  • Department Stores: -2.9 Percent 

Retail Sales: With Food and Shelter Soaring, Who Can Afford Anything Else?

But hey Mish, the household survey is nothing but noise. Jobs are too strong for there to be a recession. 

Thanks, I’ll make a note based on 6% of the data with the rest of the data coming in 14 months from now.

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worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Oh! Thank goodness. Good thing Brandon is completely opening the border to what’s expected to be 5M illegals next calendar year.
We need millions more people living in the US, so we can eventually get everyone hired into these 10.5M open jobs.
Very pleased that AZ voters turned away from Lake & chose Hobbs. We must import more cheap labor to tamp down on inflation.
Best administration EVER!
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Real Unemployement is running at 15-20%!!!
Double and or triple the U-6 numbers and you are closer to “TRUTH”!!!!
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Since Nixon built a bridge to China it was all about globalization and high tech. The devastated crumbs people had to attended community colleges to learn new skills. Gravity with globalization : with China, ASEAN nations, Mexico… prevent US industrial yield curve from rising in the long duration. Backwardation will lead to lower wages and unemployment. The community colleges are a fad, sucking billions from Gen Z, Openness to the world for mass flourishing will deflate the crumb people salaries.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
the world was very intertwined and globally trading in 1900. the world wars stopped it. re globalized from circa 1965 (see immigration deal) to recent unpleasantness of plague covid. she seems to be unwinding and de globalizing. again. at end of ww2 usa had about 6 % of world populaiton as she does today. but due to USA being unscathed and USSR taking themselves off the grain and trading capitalism in ww1, USA had anywhere from 40 to 50% of world wealth. the post ww2 decades from 1945 to circa 1975 were easy as easy ever has been had.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
GDP don’t matter, It measure growth, not happiness or power. Under Stalin USSR stretched from Tokyo to Berlin.
After liquidating most eastern Europe, they are still the biggest country in the world, equipped with ballistic missiles and nuke ice breakers, dominating the Arctic sea from Norway to Alaska. Putin treat Ukraine with kids gloves. It might get worse.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
yes. correct. i agree with all your words. i’m under no delusion that ukraine will go the way of georgia. or belarus. the amerikan empire has been horrible since fall of USSR. we should have really helped them transition and not been such belligerents. but the old CIA nasty GHWB couldn’t help himself with pax amerikan world wide domination plan…….. the rest is history. i still recall what nixon said in 1992 about fall of USSR. go watch his one minute assessment on youtube.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
pro tip. take the L out of BLS. start with first principles for thinking men. when in doubt look around. ask around. been checking coast to coast. northeast southeast southwest and norcal, where i have lots of pals and have lived. i cannot find one person that knows any amount of folks out of work, besides the usual hobos, tramps and bums among the empire. i keep searching to find why i am wrong. i love to be wrong. got rich being wrong 80% of the time in my trades. just don’t see it. yet. i’d guess i’m really not employed, being nothing more than a degenerate gambler of stocks and FX. my only real “job” as real estate developer and investor, i sold out of 6 months ago. i’ll go back to that in future, most likely. mish, your analysis is great. i do love your blog. learn from many commenters, too. i just think this is post ww2 period parallel. inflation with tight labor for about 5 years and then a small recession. we’ve had what year of inflation in food. maybe year and half. the printing presses were humming for 2 full years and printed 25 years worht of currency. its about 1948. got another few more years would be my bet and i have with some of my pals. tight labor as far as the eye can see. a really good thing. unemployment not invited is a very depressing thing.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The unemployed are x10 times more depressed than working people at the high and the low end of the income scale. They tend to commit suicide, take drugs, drink, make mistakes and die.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
exactly correct. its a recession when my neighbor loses his job. a depression when i lose mine. i keep asking everyone i know if they know of anyone who is looking for work, and cannot find it. nada. none. nilch. as i said, they are hawking for men to work construction down subway stairs onto the platforms. never ever saw that. i know anecdotes are deceiving but i just don’t buy the whole economy is slowing down to a recession. know indications. i ask every merchant and pals from coast to coast. from ivy grads to HS dropouts. spoke to a pal today, who did 10 years in MCC, the worst lockup in all USA. he said all his pals, including him have tons of work. he employs dozens of young men on farms upstate NY. i just don’t smell a hint of recession of any neighbors without jobs. i’m usually a very pessimistic trader and always looking for pitfalls. the inflation is for certain. the rates raising has been obvious to me for months and months. but job slowdowns. just don’t see it. my tech pals in SV get jobs in a week, sitting from home working for hedge funds all over globe, hospitals…….or engineering or whatever junk they do. sounds like a horrible life. but whatever floats their boats. all my white collar boomer pals working. from home. the blue collars tons of jobs. i live in an immigrant black hood in brooklyn. all my pals here have jobs. trains packed early am as they go off to blue collar jobs like nursing and construction………..truck driving, bus drivers, etc. some offered me jobs past few months if i wanted to drive gypsy cabs. ha ha ha. they don’t know i’m bloody rich.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Philly Energy Solution refinery shut down in June 2019.
BlauGloriole
BlauGloriole
3 years ago
Thank you Mish for your timely and thoughtful insights. You and Pomboy nailed this one long before anyone else.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
another indicator of mine. Community College enrollment. i have been attending college for about 40 years. and also other adult education and artisan learning places. my local CC here in the small island of manhattan, i attend. enrollment down big time. profs are bitching. it is because jobs are plentiful. the student body at CC from east to west coasts………working people and immigrant kids……….JOBS are plentiful. when it’s bad times, CC enrollement goes up. been this way forever.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Refineries worked day and night to provide heating oil to New England. Ukraine generals wasted in two days more ammunition we can produce in one year. One hundred Iranian drones attack targets daily. Ukraine, sending hundreds of missiles, intercept 75%. Odesa, Kiev, Kherson and Karkiv need generators, can food, medical supply… US sent howitzes, HIMARS and ATACMS missiles to Ukraine, but Engel’s is well beyond their range. What else did we do for them. Industrial recession, common guys.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
but think of the stock bonus pool at C suite of military industry. keep your eyes on the prize young man. or woman. 8dots sounds adrogonous.
RyanL
RyanL
3 years ago
Another angle is to look at federal tax collections for social programs. Not perfect given those cap out at a certain salary level, but seems like a good proxy.
Per this FRED series payroll collections went up roughly 3% between q1 and q3. The Atlanta fed wage growth tracker estimates a roughly 6% 3 month average nominal wage growth. Assuming nominal wage growth has been consistentish at that 6% rate you would expect nominal wages to have grown perhaps 3% over the past 6 month implying the growth in payroll taxes may have been largely a function of higher salaries not new jobs. I’m too lazy to try to be precise here, but it seems to align with the low/no job growth view.
Check my math or logic
https://www.atlantafed.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker?panel=2<input id=”squire-selection-start” type=”hidden”><input id=”squire-selection-end” type=”hidden”>
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
i also remember the 70s and early 80s. lots of our well to do neighbors were foreclosed on jobs and houses……… when i graduated from school daze in 82, unemployment was headline 10% in nation, and 20% in nyc as i recall. i had to work construction, pump gas and go to the horse races to supplement my beer sex drugs and rock and roll and rent money. i recall being quite content and happy, too.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
1980 was the actors strike. I was working part time at a UHF TV station. Only 4 network TV shows were in production. I got a call from the company producing 2 of them. Got the job the next day. The interesting thing was that i had never applied for a job there.
The guy who called me, was hired away from a facility that i had applied to, and he had apparently gotten my information before he left there.
Everything is relative to one’s personal situation. I worked through every subsequent strike, but i am aware of the hardship that others suffered as a result of that, as well as those affected by moving some productions up to Canada to reduce cost.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I’m certain your work ethics had a big roll.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
aye aye, RonJ. you are 100% correct.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Wow, another old geezer like me! I remember those days as well. However, I lived in South Georgia in a small town decimated by Jimmy Carter’s freeing of the slaves (he stopped all those farm subsidies which allowed the “gentlemen farmers” to live without working as they had tenant farmers to work their farms. Until that welfare stopped flowing. No work at all in our area. Though I did do odd jobs and perhaps just a tad bit of pool sharking. Wound up in the military where I could puff up my chest and say I was a patriot, when the reality I was just starving for a job as the state I am told to love had screwed that scene up, but I digress. I still had a great time. And yes, at that time one could still continue that rock and roll lifestyle in the military. Which I did.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
nice bio you shared. thanks for the insights. much obliged my good hippy dippy. one of my fav charlie daniels is “long haired country boy”
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Great one there! And, since I’m from Georgia, I’ll never forget the time the devil came down to play.
hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I was looking for a summer job in those days in the detroit metro area. Probably the worst hit economy in the nation at the time. I took a day off from school and just started driving from factory to factory asking for a job. Near the end of the day one personnel office told me to go to the defense plant nearby they usually hire, despite no war going on at the time. I did just that and got a high paying UAW job that summer that I could have kept permanently if I had wanted. I did keep it for about 4 years, mainly summers, but when I got done with undergrad and had 9 months to kill before starting in the fall I worked full time but did get laid off well before starting school in the fall. Anywaly the point is I collected unemployment will attending university in the fall, and I remember when going to the unemployment office for my checks every two weeks, business owners were asking outside, if someone needed work as they were hiring. No takers at all including myself, had scholl. Generally the unemployment rate drops when liberal unemployment benefits stop. I was able to work under the table during my break after being layed off. I think the economy can be resilient and work can be found if persistent and motivated.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  hmk
great stuff. thanks for sharing. good insights to different places around the empire. this summer i witnessed for the first time in my long life men on subway platform asking if anyone needed a job for the day. i happened to be going off to painting class wearing a flannel shirt and scrufffy beard and cornered me. i said “no thanks, mi amigos, antonio no trabaja. esta americano. mi spanglish es perfecto. me spanish is mal. ” they chuckled. down in AZ for 12 years doing lots of construciton on my dozen properties, we NEVER would hire native born amerikans. way too lazy compared to our amigos from mexico. they enjoyed being offered silver or cash, too.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Ah yes, I remember well the days of paying Hispanic day laborers with bars of .999 silver.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
I still don’t know of a single soul who is out of “work”. unlike in period 2007 to 2012. and in 2000 to 2002. and in late 80s to early 90s. i remain a skeptic as a good trader should. and always assume i am wrong. but i always go back to first principles. recession is my neighbor lost his job. Zero, Zip, Nada. a depression is when i lose mine. i remember being layed off a great job in late 80s and feeling quite down.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
2023 will be a different story.
Fish are flapping on the beach now.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
i’ll pick em up and fry them.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
And in the streets of Berlin.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Most of my neighbors are out of work, but I live in north Florida, so that is any time of the year or decade or century. It’s always a depression here thanks to our benevolent overlords. In fact, our area is world renown for its excellence in the finest lawdawgs. The blind guy was arrested by lawdawgs that I knew and had shamed. Aren’t they magnificent! Gotta sic them on us slaves to keep us distracted from all the stolen monies going to their cronies. I’m sure that never happens in every town in the world.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
gotcha. difference between amerikans and “french, italians, greeks, spanish…….). in 21st century is over there, the government ruling class is scared of the peasants. here in pax dumbphuckistan, the peasants are RIGHTFULLY AND LOGICALLY frightened of their government. our people are all rats and scared. over there they did alll this stuff long ago. not sure we will. just fade away like argentina is my guess. the peasants in latin amerika are frightened of their ruling governments, too. correctly. the cowardice does have a long long thread. we call it noblesse oblige syndrome in my circles. ain’t NO noblesse oblige from NYC to Buenos aires. ever. those folks who spend generations sitting around NOT working is really not unemployed i’m thinking. i’d tip my hat to them at a life well played. work is certainly over rated. so many finer things in life.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I certainly don’t believe in work. I only play at things I love to do.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
As my physics professor explained to us:
“It’s not work unless you move something.”
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Does that mean I need to stop playing? I’m certainly far to lazy to work! I tried that once and I didn’t like it at all.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
8% of their work force (if it comes to fruition). Good riddance.
Goldman Sachs Set to Cut as Many as 4,000 Workers, Semafor Says
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Energy …
… tells you all you need to know about state of US economy. Gas / diesel / heating oil prices coming down. Hard.
Despite:
Total products supplied over the last four-week period averaged 19.8 million
barrels a day, down by 6.9% from the same period last year. Over the past
four weeks, motor gasoline product supplied averaged 8.3 million barrels a
day, down by 9.0% from the same period last year. Distillate fuel product
supplied averaged 3.7 million barrels a day over the past four weeks, down
by 13.2% from the same period last year. Jet fuel product supplied was up
5.5% compared with the same four-week period last year.
The West Texas Intermediate crude oil price was $71.05 per barrel on
December 9, 2022, $8.81 lower than last week’s price, and $0.66 less than
at the same time last year. The spot price for conventional gasoline in the
New York Harbor was $2.162 per gallon, $0.369 below last week’s price,
and $0.063 less than the year-ago price. The New York Harbor spot price for
No. 2 heating oil was $2.623 per gallon, $0.372 lower than a week ago, but
$0.505 more than one year ago.
The national average retail regular gasoline price declined to $3.239 per
gallon on December 12, 2022, $0.151 less than a week ago, and $0.076
below the price last year. The national average retail diesel fuel price fell to
$4.754 per gallon, $0.213 per gallon less than last week’s price, but $1.105
more than last year
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Speaking of reliable stats in this report:
In one day, Crude oil in SPR increased from 387.0 Mb to 598.9 Mb?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Look again.
387 mb LAST week.
382 mb THIS week
598 mb LAST year
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Lol! Thanks.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
RBOB Gasoline futures are now half of what they where at at their May 30, 2022 peak. Gas in inland Northern California peaked at $6.00 a gallon in June. I was calling for $3 gas in December and with 15 days left in the month we just might make it. All this despite the International shenanigans. I don’t have a crystal ball or anything, but this is not my first rodeo I have attended. I remember 2008’s oil flash crash well. It’s not a matter of if but when.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Yep. I remember your call.
I’m sticking with my 2021 call for wti < $50 (at SOME point when recession deepens).
I agree with Papa’s energy stocks long term … but they’ll take their turn behind the woodshed in 2023.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Agree 100%. $40 WTI would not surprise me, and lower is likely. Global markets with ‘constrained’ (not easily adjusted) supply are heavily impacted by economic cycles. This downturn will be bad, especially with China headed for recession. I have cash set aside for reentry when the time is right.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I paid $3.95 a gallon 2 days ago. Getting closer. Even a 4 cent a day average drop will get me pretty close at $3.35.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
I am closer than I thought. Traveling 20 minutes south Unleaded Regular is already $3.49. If I travel 50 minutes south it is $3.35. This is in California where gas is higher than other states.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
I live in GA, and Kemp still has the $0.29 state gas tax relief in place. Currently paying about $2.54 at my local Costco.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“We have major revisions and more are likely coming.”
Absolutely.
Due in part to this … reported last week … but ignored by MSM:

An ongoing plunge in response rates for popular economic surveys could call into question the reliability of forecasts made by the Federal Reserve, according to Fundstrat’s Tom Lee.

In a Tuesday note, Lee highlighted that survey response rates for the Consumer Price Index, nonfarm payrolls, and Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (JOLTS) has collapsed this year. The CPI response rate is down to 37.7%, the NFP response rate is down to 44.8%, and the JOLTS response rate collapsed from 44% to 31% over the past year.

“It is the JOLTS report that really caught my eye… JOLTS response rate has collapsed from 44% to 31% since 2021, at a time when job openings surged to 12 million from 7 million… How accurate is the surge in 5 million additional job openings, when there are 1/3 fewer respondents?” Lee asked.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Phone sampling, too.
How past century. Instead of sending out emails which can be answered at leasure.
I don’t answer calls outside my contact list, and that seems to be the new normal.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Negativity is just now building in the mass media.
Mall traffic is slow around here–despite the weather and discounts all over.
Local real estate agents are in the early stages of depression–I’ll be lucky to get a single Christmas card.
Meanwhile, Wall Street is still expecting a return trip to Planet Zirp.
Given global impact with no safety valve, this will not end well.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“Meanwhile, Wall Street is still expecting a return trip to Planet Zirp.”
You noticed that too. Lots of executives for the first time in 20 years are wondering how to collect a bonus without Zirp.
Eurofins is closing small local water quality labs and driving the samples to larger labs, CO2 emissions be damned. (The samples have maximum hold times and the big labs are beyond the round trip range of an EV.) There will be a bunch of STEM people showing up on the unemployment rolls in January.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Mall traffic is slow because people are getting shot shopping.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
The pitifully small 6% sample on the monthly BLS’ monthly jobs report needs to be like a cigarette warning label, and mentioned before every Wall Street cheerleader is allowed to praise this “report.” I come to this website for the wisdom nuggets just like this…the more you know…
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Good report Mish.
Personally, I don’t put my “faith” in any reports. I accept them as they all are; best guesses and estimates based on preliminary data, subject to revisions later. The more reports the better. Because together, they give a fuzzy image of a moving target. The key, is to determine the the general direction that the target is moving in.
And what all these reports seem to indicate is slow growth in the US and worldwide.
I am still expecting the Fed to keep rates higher for longer, as I do not see inflation dropping to 2% anytime soon.
To me, this means investors should stay focused on value vs growth. And the best values remain in companies that focus on life’s basic necessities; food, shelter, energy, health.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
food, shelter, energy, defense… in US and Ukraine.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots

Which defense stocks are you suggesting?

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
china opening up a huge boost to purchasing………asia times has a wonderful article on it this am.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Inflation isn’t going down to 2% without changing the measurement. I think the Fed will stop raising rates as the economy deteriorates. 2% was always an arbitrary number. They will revise the target to 3 or 4%. Then lower rates to help the economy.
Real negative rates are needed to diminish the sovereign debt.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Prime age (25Y-54Y) Male activity rate down from 98% in Jan 1960 to 88%. Female Prime age : up from 40% in Jan 1960, when a man could feed a family of four, make a home with two parents, to 76%, stalled for 25Y at 76% since 1997. Transfer money destroyed families.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
They just confirmed the obvious. Everything about our economy is BS. And of course they admit the error after mid-terms. The democrats have the media and government covering their mistakes and making up BS about republicans and they still lost the house. If the media ever became unbiased in their reporting, democrats would be done. That’s why they’re flipping out over Twitter. They need over 90% of the media in their corner to remain in power. Can’t afford to lose any of it.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Which media source do you get your unbiased information from?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Many internet sites. I would say Mish is unbiased. Certainly far less biased than the majority of the media.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
What? No list of your unbiased sites?
Let me guess a few of them:
Fox News, Epoch Times, Breitbart, Truth Social, Conspiracies are Us, The Flat Earth Society
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The Periodic Table. The 3 Laws of Thermodynamics. For starters. My versions are from the 70s though, so with this disclaimer, may be obsolete or raciss.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
And how do the laws of thermodynamics apply to hunter’s laptop?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It is sad that you cannot understand the significance of one little laptop. Perhaps you do, and you are just compensating for your deep-down fears that people will realize the true evil that is Democrap.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Here, the Automatic Earth, Fox, NPR, Ritholtz, Google news, USA Today, and occasionally the BBC.
CNN and NBC are on permanent blacklists due repeated egregious lies. Remember the Cuomo thing and the very creating editing of Zimmerman’s 911 call?
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
electoral-vote.com has a pretty good write-up on the Twitter Files today. That site is routinely on point with news analysis. One of them is an expat American teaching university in I think Switzerland so there is some left lean, but they are more interested in parsing the news than they are in editorializing.
When the world starts burning Al Jazeerah English is often ahead of most with video and coverage from global hot spots.
I lean left, and force myself to read 3-4x as much right leaning stuff to balance out my inherent biases. I suggest everyone does the same. I filter through all the dreck at Zerohedge for the nuggets they drop, and they are quick on econ reports and other political headlines.
Most Americans would be better off doubling or tripling their international news intake. Circumnavigate the domestic partisanship.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Agree. I follow as much international perspective as I can.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy

Thanks. Though I wasn’t asking for your list. I wanted KidHorn’s list.Or are you KidHorn as well?

RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Your world must be very small. The internet has a plethora of sources for factual information. Government is a source for official disinformation. Government and mainstream media want to control the narrative. The Covid shots were never safe and effective.
The FDA had a list of at least 20 adverse reactions associated with them, in their internal presentation before the rollout. People who were offered the shots, should have been informed of the list. It is called informed consent. What they got instead was, “this page intentionally blank.”
On the study proclaiming the unvaccinated cause more car accidents because they are reckless, follow the money source for the study. “Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome.” I declined to take the Covid shot in order to protect myself from vaccine injury or death. I wasn’t being reckless.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Would you take a vax in the same situation if you changed the mortality rate of an airborne spreader to 35%? I guess as a jabbed corpse I only have a few years before it burns me up into powder.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Never any facts or evidence…. Just unsupported assertions and hand waving.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
“Toot toot” is an unsupported assertion and hand waving.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
There are facts all over, but you need to look hard to find them. WHY? A complicit mass media shelters you from any divergent opinion and facts that contradict the approved message.
Perhaps look at the Australian media. There is still a semblance of reporting .
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What about all the emails and internal documents Twitter released? Oh that’s right, you’re one of the few who still watch CNN, so you have no idea what I’m talking about.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
bwahhhhhhh. i use truth social and youporn for my unbiased news reporting.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
A nice thing about this place is Mish’s commenters seem to be an equal distribution of intelligent biases.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Anyone looking for truly unbiased media might as well claim to be raising an army of unicorns. Nobody is unbiased. Every time there are lab tests to detect a lack of bias, bias is once again proven to be immutable. Notice Kid Horn’s list, it’s hella short. I doubt anyone can print a list of five truly unbiased media sources that contribute meaningful value. We could argue over those simple definitions for months.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
correcto mundo fonzie.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
You want a longer list. Any media company that didn’t state Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation. Any media company that’s publishing the damning documents Twitter released to Matt Taibbi. Any media company that didn’t report the Russian dossier as being verified.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
i follow MTG for my unbiased news reporting. i had no idea i could purchase my butt plugs and dildos at target. learn something new every week.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Makes you wonder why Musk doesn’t just buy the biggest media bullhorn he can find and fight for right wing causes. OH WAIT. Any rich enough conservative can follow his blueprint, and you can have the media you want instead of the media you want to complain about. Or is there an element of tilting at windmills in this whole biased media claim?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Name all the rich conservatives who could afford to buy a major media company? Who would buy what? And Musk isn’t fighting for right wing causes. He’s fighting for free speech. AKA, the 1st amendment.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Not everything is BS! Defense is doing great thanks to the warmonger-in-chief. Note to PapaDave: Go long self-storage providers. Always a winner when the economy flops.
The Twitter Files are largely unknown in the Democrap world–a total of 14 minutes on ALL of the major networks–Fox excluded. The House hearings will get out the word, with Democraps looking worse than ever. However, by 2024, everyone will have forgotten.
Censorship by omission and outright lie continues unabated.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I encourage conservatives to waste their time with investigate-palooza. All of that will prove to be time, money, and sweat down the toilet. Don’t forget, the attack narrative on conservatism is that it looks backwards, so the GOP willfully falls in that trap if they investigate everything – maybe they cannot find a better way to spend their time in control of the House?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
vanderlyn is the new PapaDave.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
i’ll take it as a compliment KID. you do make me LOL. i imagine you are just a comic and getting jollies with sarcasm. hat tip kid, lady or gent. or they.

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