The ceasefire idea is off. Trump switches course in 4 big ways.
Trump Switches Course on Ukraine
The Washington Post reports Trump Drops Ceasefire Demand for Ukraine War After Summit with Putin.
An immediate ceasefire to the war in Ukraine had long been a bedrock demand by the U.S., Ukraine and their European allies.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, with the backing of European leaders, has insisted that a ceasefire must be in place before any negotiations to end the war. In the run-up to the summit, European officials had expressed guarded optimism that the United States was aligning with them after Trump had earlier pushed for a ceasefire. Zelensky said Saturday he would be traveling to Washington to discuss the summit with Trump.
“It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, following his summit with Putin in Anchorage on Friday.
Putin has repeatedly rejected calls for a ceasefire, insisting on lengthy negotiations for a final peace deal that Ukraine and its European allies say are just a stalling tactic for Russia to press its gains.
On Wednesday, French President Emmanuel Macron had said Trump was “very clear” with Europeans before the Alaska summit that he wants to obtain a ceasefire. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said the same day that a ceasefire must be a starting point for negotiations.
In his post, Trump also confirmed that he will meet with Zelensky in Washington on Monday, after the two spoke by telephone.
Zelensky said Saturday that he and Trump had a “long and substantive” telephone conversation lasting around an hour about “the main points of their discussion” in Friday’s summit before being joined on the line by European leaders.
He will meet Trump in Washington “to discuss all of the details regarding ending the killing and the war,” he said. “Ukraine reaffirms its readiness to work with maximum effort to achieve peace.”
In a phone call after the meeting, Trump told Zelensky that Putin wants Ukraine to cede all of Donbas to Russia, in addition to the other territory Moscow has already seized, in exchange for a “promise” to end the war, two people familiar with the call said. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. Russia does not control some 3,500 square miles of Donetsk, a highly-reinforced region of strategic importance to Ukraine’s capacity to defend itself from future Russian attacks.
Friday’s summit ended earlier than planned and without an agreement, though it was widely seen as a public relations success for Putin, who was received as an equal by Trump after years of international isolation following his full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
Trump said in an interview with Fox News’s Sean Hannity after the summit that he and Putin “agreed on a lot of points” but that “one or two pretty significant items” remained.
“It’s really up to President Zelensky to get it done,” Trump said. “I would also say the European nations, they have to get involved a little bit.”
Trump Open to Providing Direct Security Guarantees to Ukraine
In a major change, the Wall Street Journal reports Trump Tells Europeans He Is Open to Providing Direct Security Guarantees to Ukraine
President Trump told European leaders in a phone call from Air Force One that he is more willing than before for the U.S. to provide direct security guarantees to Ukraine, according to people familiar with the content of the conversation.
The nature of potential U.S. involvement to insure any deal to end the war wasn’t specified in the call, these people said. Trump spoke to European leaders while flying back from a summit in Alaska where he met Russian President Vladimir Putin. The White House hasn’t made any public statements on security guarantees since Trump landed in Alaska on Friday.
European leaders who held the call with Trump said in a statement afterward that they “welcome President Trump’s statement that the U.S. is prepared to give security guarantees.”
They also warned that they were prepared to increase sanctions and military pressure on Russia until the Kremlin stops the fighting. The leaders from the U.K., France, Germany, Finland, Italy and the European Union said Russia “cannot have a veto against Ukraine’s pathway to EU and NATO.”
Severe Consequences? When?
This is a very fluid situation. Even in normal situations, Trump is apt to quickly change his mind.
“Severe Repercussions” Postponed
Trump may have to think about severe consequences in a few weeks, or not.
Four Key Changes
- Severe consequences off
- Ceasefire off
- European involvement switches to on
- Direct Security Guarantees to Ukraine, possible
Few believed number one. Trump’s bluffs are obvious.
Number four is the big one. Let’s see how the base responds to that idea.
How Do You Rate the Summit?
Please note, Trump Grades the Putin Summit a ’10’.
What do you think?
“Trump is trying to stop the march to WW3, which is far more than anyone else in the world is doing.”
Yes, he also wants to take over Chicago, the Fed, and DC, dictate who is an economist at Goldman Sachs, tell the Smithsonian what exhibits to display, change the Constitution by executive order, end birthright citizenship, set global tariff rate, and approve every deal made by anyone anywhere in the world.
Did I leave anything out?
He plans on invading Mexico, supposedly already has 4000 down there making plans. If he thinks the cartels won’t respond with terrorist tactics, he’s making one huge mistake. Perhaps a trip down memory lane with Pablo Escobar might help.
Ukraine wiped out half of Putin’s air bombers with drones is something the cartels can do ten fold with their billions of dollars of capital and access to the same or better gear.
I’m laughing at the idea the Cartel can do anything against the US military.
Sure, they are well armed from a civilian point of view but from a military point of view they are a joke. Not only that, at best they have a few thousand members spread across a whole bunch of rival gangs. They are not a coordinated force.
Just look back at what happened in Iran a month ago. The US walked into a country of 60 million people with an actual functioning military and bombed the shite out of them with zero repercussions/losses.
The only way any cartel member would survive is by hiding in caves like the Taliban did.
They have access to ATGMs and Stingers with CLUs frequently enough to pose with them for pictures. Afghanistan didn’t have that and we lost so badly there were people falling out of our planes on the way out.
How many lost wars will it take to ram the idea that you can’t fight COIN engagements like you’re fighting a cold war gone hot through the skulls of morons like you?
Please, do go on about our stellar modern war history of let’s see… Stalemate with China, lost to Vietnam, punching down on Panama, punching down on Saddam, then handing Iraq back to Saddam’s top guys and leaving to get thrown out of Afghanistan instead.
I forgot to add that without rare earths, the US military turns into tinker-toy soldiers with pop guns. Too much dependency on “tech” to do the kills with drones, satellites, and other electronic gear.
Even then, the issue is doctrinal more than anything. The Russians are geared to fight WW2 over again, we are geared to fight a WW3 that never happened. Anything outside of fighting a peer-to-peer land war and suddenly America struggles because everything down to the supplies of say, rare earths, is factored around fighting a Russia that doesn’t exist.
We could have won Afghanistan if we hadn’t been so inflexible. Half of the FOB placements made zero sense and only served to anger locals into action and missions were either pointless public works projects (building water pipelines ect) or Vietnam era search and destroy tactics that lost us that war.
You are confusing nation building with warfare.
We conquered Afghanistan militarily in a few weeks time in 01.
We then wasted 20+ years nation building when we should have just left a few weeks later. We could have always come back as many times as needed if whenever the Taliban dared show themselves.
Your clueless .
Keep telling yourself that Mexican cartels want any part of the US special forces .
Sure, that’s why the US military spends more money than all the rest of the countries combined so that it’s solders turn into tinker-toy soldiers. Makes total sense.
ICE deportations are down despite a new $200 billion dollar budget. You know what hasn’t been in the news…the surging price of cocaine because it’s as cheap as it’s ever been which means 200+ tons of cocaine continues to flow just as it always has despite the “secure” border. But I guess that’s why Trump is starting a war with the cartels right, because it’s all been ineffective? The “war on drugs” has been waging for 40+ years and it’s achieved nothing but let’s kill hundreds or thousands of people to piss everyone off and activate terrorist revenge killings, that will go over well with no blow back./s
Yeah the US can destroy anything, it has nukes, don’t need seal team six, tanks, or jets to do massive destruction, that’s not really the discussion here is it?
please cite the units you served in and your dates of service.
The first drone that enters US airspace from Mexico would horrify the Mexican government they would take care of it in short order they want know part of the US in that way .
So why don’t they hold America hostage then?
I mean if they have this equipment, then why not demand say $1 million a day in bitcoin or else they will shoot down a civilian plane? Seems like easy free money for the Cartels to me.
We both know the answer is that if they ever dared do so such a thing that they’d be obliterated in very short order either by Mexican forces or a combination of Mexican and US forces because there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell the US public would allow it to go unpunished.
you’re confusing military capabilities with political will. clearly there’s no combat veterans in your family. if there are, talk to them so they can educate you on the lethality of us combat forces. otherwise, shut the fuck up because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
in every conflict you just mentioned, go and look at the kill ratio differences between the US and our enemies.
Country that has 40% of the worlds military expenditures attacks poor countries with no air force and has a better kill ratio. Well done.. Do your heroic ratios include the women and children.
I was responding to somebody saying that the US military is not lethal. that is categorically false. you can shove your judgments up your ass for what it’s worth, however.
it’s funny how your emotions caused you to read things that I didn’t write. so many fucking cry baby children who vote Democrat these days.
You mean those brainwashed chumps who fight to protect the criminal state of the USA on its misadventures around the globe?
My family has been involved in combat since the Civil War, without missing a generation.
Any dipshit can squeeze off a round, or step on the gas and go screaming down the highway. I’m not impressed with your cognitive dissonance and/or immorality.
“Afghanistan didn’t have that and we lost so badly there were people falling out of our planes on the way out.”
Not a valid comparison.
Does Mexico have the mountains Afghanistan has?
Do the Mexican cartels have a country like Pakistan into which they can disappear?
Are cartel members willing to blow themselves up for Allah?
The ATGMs and stingers will be bombed into oblivion or the people operating them will get FPV droned.
So far, I have been wholly unimpressed with most of your comments, you easily dismiss anything anyone posts here without ever thinking about the historical activities and events that often lead the US to run with its tail between it’s legs. You’re a true maga dimwit and just wait for the blowback and you’ll be proven the usual maga fool.
I specifically said they would use terrorist tactics. They will target civilian jumbo jets (like Escobar did), soft targets where americans visit (hotels, bars, clubs, etc), kidnapping, torture, and things will escalate from there. What has changed now is the use of cheap drones to do even more havoc.
Don’t forget the US military might failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan and it now has an overweight geriatric military but that’s a discussion for another day. Doesn’t help that US marine’s parents are being deported by ICE.
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/narciso-barranco-immigrant-father-detained-ice-agents-rcna222481
I’ll hopefully be out of the country when all this starts so probably won’t impact me at all.
As I said above, why not do it now? Just demand 1 million a day in bitcoin or they’ll down a civilian airliner? Seems like free money for the Cartels.
Because everyone’s making money with the status quo Tim. It’s always about the money. Stability is good for business, instability isn’t.
Whistling past the cemetery
Not to forget, that our Drones are not what they are using in Ukraine. They are the left over, older versions, and are lethal just the same, but with flaws and less skills.
We have been meeting for quite sometime (6X?) with other countries about this dilemma. It all surfaced back in late 2016 or so, when Drones Abilities, went from toys to weapons so to speak.
I suspect US and Iran agreed on terms for the US attack. Trump got a show, Iran was allowed a token reprisal. The reprisal was a missile attack on a US base in the Gulf, after people had been evacuated. Iran showed it does have targeting .capabilities by hitting a radar installation.
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I recall your much-vaunted American military was kicked out of Afghanistan by the very Taliban who were “hiding in caves”. They didn’t learn any worthwhile lessons in Vietnam from where they were also kicked out and the US continues to have similar “success” everywhere else in the world.
Your Iranian review is similarly biased in that the action was very limited ( a few minutes as I recall), caused much less damage than is claimed and was not fought on the ground – no comparison.
Oh, I don’t support the drug trade but as long as you have buyers, you’ll have suppliers. Your economic wisdom teaches you that.
If you go back far enough, you’ll see how well government succeeded in stopping the alcohol trade and prostitution. It should have done the same with drugs.
I await results.
sure, they can’t defeat the US military in battles but they can do what guerilla fighters have always done: make the cost too high. the taliban and al qaeda killed and maimed thousands of US soldiers with IEDs and small arms.
if the military thinks it can make a dent in the drugs that flow into this country, great, but we’ve had drug wars and similar incursions for decades and it’s been a miserable failure. you cant win targeting the supply of things that come into this country across a thousands mile border 10-20 kilos at a time.
anyone who thinks otherwise should consider this: the highest rate of drug use occurs in prisons. If drugs can get into prisons which are small, under constant watch and control, how can anyone think we can stop drugs coming into the country where these prisons are located? it’s delusional.
You obviously do not know what you are talking about . US special forces can take out the cartels whenever they want they have 0 chance . Isreal completely took out Iran in just 12 days with 4-5th generation fighters I am not sure they lost a plane . They flew at will through Iran airspace and destroyed the vaunted Russian air defenses . Ukrain a 3rd rate military has delivered severe blows to Russia infrastrusture , Refineries train stations ect deep inside Russia. The cartels know they don’t won’t any part of the US military but obviously you don’t .
Mexico really is a better candidate for our 51st state (or in reality, states 51-60) than Canada was. We can annex Canada later and then unify the whole NA continent as Continental United States..
Ukraine did not wipe out half of Russia’s strategic bombers with drones. They damaged a few.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spiderweb
According to this hit 20, destroyed 10. Not sure what the total but this was done across 5 regions. But fools here think no one else could pull this off, especially the guys that sneak 20 million people and 200+ tons of coke into the US every year.
But whatever.
You are right. Ukraine did not wipe out half of Russia’s strategic bombers. The US did that, but they let the Ukraine soldiers push the button. US Rules!
This the golden age of America. Can’t you feel it yet Mish ?
Good things happening
Syrian terrorist government gone .
Houthis severly reduced
Iran influence nearly eliminated
Hamas gone
Hezbolla pretty much destroyed .
Border secure almost zero illegals coming in .
Hopefully peace in the Russia Ukrain war in process .
We have people on this blog that actually believe Mexican cartels are a threat . The Mexican Government knows who they are they get money from them . Funny how stupiud people are
I would have to guess that the Mexican Government is highly subsidized by the Cartels. They have as much to lose if not more, than the cartels. The Cartels can set up shop anywhere, and with zero resistance, but not so much the Mexican Government. The Cartels sell 100% of what they produce, and it can be produced anywhere. The Mexican Government can only garner money from its willing citizens.
Change the Washington Redskins name back to well the Washington Redskins.
Currently the Commanders
Chicago, NYC, SF, LA, DC… are sanctuary cities. CA is a sanctuary state. The homeless, the pscho infested those places. Sentimental liberal judges, mayors and governors vs Law and Order. Farrakhan Fruits of Islam, who toppled Trump, vs the Mexican cartel.
OC is awesome.
Things are moving very fast now and not one European leader has come out against the idea and many have publicly said these last few hours that a negotiated peace deal is much better than just a simple cease fire. French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, and European Council President António Costa issued a joint statement welcoming the idea but since negotiations are still going on it is scrimpy on the details. Nevertheless there is a feeling of cautious optimism creeping in. Nothing is guaranteed but for the first time it just might happen.
Yes, it’s 1938 again:
Munich Agreement of 1938. These concessions included:
It’s dejavu all over again.
So, Putin is Hitler? Seriously?
If that’s all you take from the comment, you’re not intellectually capable of thinking properly. It’s a narrative on appeasement policies that fail every time. I could cite more examples but then you’d just say, “Putin is x?”
1938 is an tired meme and not applicable to today. Unless you want to demand unconstitutional surrender and invade Russia to get it then perhaps you should try another tack.
There is no caution optimism , word here is that Tramp is about to sell out the Ukraine. You do scribe some total bollocks.
I am looking at what all the European leaders are saying together. I suppose that means something but you think not. Who do you speak with?
Well, I suppose there is the invasions of Canada, Greenland and Mexico…
Trumps bizarre infatuation with Putin?
Dictators of a feather…
You forgot that he wants to “Grab Pussies.”
Bloviating. That is Trump’s style.
Sorting out the root consequences (US goal of strategic defeat of Russia; NATO encroaching on Russian borders and into Ukraine; missile launch site threats), it is safer not to specify any temporal sequence.
The saying “Jaw-jaw is better than war-war” means that diplomatic discussions and negotiations are preferable to armed conflict. It emphasizes the value of dialogue and communication in resolving disputes between nations or individuals. The phrase is often attributed to Winston Churchill, though it was Harold Macmillan who popularized the exact wording
What, no Minsk Accords III?
There goes the deep state-controlled WSJ again. Reporing that which they wish for, not the actual truth.
What “security guarantee” could the US give Zelensky, outside of NATO? It would be a worthless promise, no more valid than me promising Mish a box of popsicles in exchange for more stories on Jay Powell.
Are these the people you want to support?
Zelensky and his cronies are now wiring $50 million in funds to hidden accounts in the UAE. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world.
https://x.com/RepLuna/status/1956813828639138250
And
https://www.occrp.org/en/project/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle
“This meeting sets up the 2nd meeting”
“I’ve maga in 6 months”
Please just shutup. And to think the alt was Kamala?
Isn’t a “security guarante” the same thing as the US entering the conflict directly? Doesn’t sound good to me.
Correct. But Trump would never do this, and outside of a treaty properly ratified by the US Senate, a US president cannot bind a future president’s foreign policy.
So my conclusion is that this is more bluster, full of sound and fury, yet signifying nothing.
The USA’s foreign policy has been followed continuously, government after government, since WW2.
There can be no force allowed to exist that can threaten or derail the USA from its unipolar world control.
NATA formed in 1949 to fight the Cold War;
when the USSR came apart in 1991, US-backed economic warfare broke out to help dismantle the regime;
then Ukraine to attack Russia since 2014 onwards.
Nobody needs to bind the future President or government. They all share the exact same approach, with global American dominance being the keystone. Hence the “uniparty” moniker.
Severe consequences — The West has already tried this. The sanctions from hell were plan A and there was no plan B, because the numbskulls are infallible.Ceasefire off — After Minsk 1 and 2 and the abrogation of all treaties (ABM INF etc etc) and the expansion of NATO (despite promises) to Russia’s borders and into Ukraine as well as missile launchers (to guard against Persians), assassination attempts on Putin and terrorist actions against Russia’s strategic defense installations, Russia would have to be insane to see a ceasefire as anything but a ruse to postpone and rearm.European involvement switches to on — as has been the plan all along, sequencing of strategic involvement, as described in Project 2025, mobilizing the hegemon’s vassals, while the US focuses on the “war with China” as they say on the Senate floor.Direct Security Guarantees to Ukraine — the only country that will ever defend Ukraine and its population is obviously and historically Russia. Nobody else would ever spill a drop of blood.
Sorting out the root consequences (US goal of strategic defeat of Russia; NATO encroaching on Russian borders and into Ukraine; missile launch site threats), it is safer not to specify any temporal sequence.
Biden’s handlers could have walked away from Ukraine with no harm to prestige. Instead, they went full in.
Now, they look like idiots with no way to save their sorry behinds.
Moving more randomly than drone swarms are the objects of attention, and the related goal posts. This is a farcical parody of FDR’s 100 days, like a horribly produced TV show by a bunch of fanatics on glue and steroids. I guess the response is almost as fragmentary. Dems don’t know collectively where their goal lines are either. There could be interesting reforms out of this mess, many things had been drifting off course, but maybe that is just the last gasp of wishful thinking, because a lot of coins have to land right, in a scenario where daily many aren’t. Yet, the headline numbers still look pretty good!!? Folks domestically are still earning and spending. The USA is a puzzle, alright. For most of us, nothing huge has broken in our daily lives, yet.
I’m sorry for the Ukraine and its supporters European countries.
They are just puppet vassal states wagging their tails behind master.
They have no place in adult affairs but listen and do what master says although war is fighting in Ukraine and in Europe. They are just barking from outside.
That’s like being sorry for Americans or Canadians or Australians or Englishmen or Frenchmen or NewZealanders because their governments abuse and financially enslave them, continuously.
It is up to the citizens to steer their future; and that rarely happens for sundry reasons, none less than critical thinking takes far more effort than not.
Oh America you look so dumb right now. A security guarantee from TACO…..what on earth does that mean? Better you just absent yourself from geopolitics for the next few years and do us all a favour.
There’s always severe consequenses to Russia being bashed around. HOW ABOUT SEVERE CONSEQUENSES FOR NATO/EU and Ukrain, They need to accept their failure and move on.
Erin Stage #5 hurricane is moving in.
Stalin deleted people, cultures and nations. He purge political rivals and intellectuals. People were deleted from pictures, books and records. Statues were smashed. They wiped out history from people’s minds and memories. It was a summer of love. Stalin deported Chechen, Tatars, Jews, Germans, Kalmyks, and Turks. He glorified himself in history books. He reduced Tolstoy, Bukharin and classic composers. Ukrainian starvation didn’t matter. Stalin suppressed independent movements in Finland, the Baltic, Ukraine, Caucasus and central Asia. After WWII Stalin absorbed eastern Europe. His spies networks operated between DC to New Mexico. He installed puppets in the white house. Stalin feared Japan. He bribed Hirohito to attack Peal Harbor. Truman feared USSR, a rising Empire. It stretched from the Kuril Islands to Berlin. Between June 1948 and May 1949 US cargo planes dropped food and medicine to east Berlin.
“Stalin feared Japan. He bribed Hirohito to attack Peal Harbor.” No, sunshine. Stalin’s troops under Zhukov whipped the tar out of the Japanese at Khalkhin Gol, in mid-1939. Deterred, Japan’s leadership decided to pursue the southern strategy, that led to Pearl Harbor. Stalin learned definitively he would not be fighting Japan from his spy in Tokyo, Richard Sorge, in mid-September 1941. That’s how Stalin was able to shift the Siberian forces from facing Japan to defending Moscow.
You write interestingly, but, IMO, you spew “facts” with the uncritical literality, blithe confidence, production line staccato, and on-the-spectrum tonality of a chat bot lacking, shall we say, the subtlest and best-informed prompts. I imagine that is some of the provenance of what we see here.
Very eloquently put, I think he’s just a clown.
Britain and Japan promised Shandong to Japan If Japan stayed in the war against Germany. The clown, despite his 14 points, didn’t care.
The Brits built and trained the Japanese navy. Japan Attacked Russia in 1904/05. Japan sent 70,000 troops to Wilson Expedition force to Siberia. Paris 1919 promised Shandong to Japan. Shandong, was a German colony. It’s the southern flank in Beijing clitoris. In 1922 Japan withdrew from Siberia. In 1931 Japan invaded Manchuria. The USSR clashed with them near Manchuria/ Mongolia border. In 1939 Zhukov beat Japan. In 1939 Stalin signed Ribbentrop pact. Stalin invaded Poland. Barbarossa started in 1941. In 1941 USSR and Japan signed a neutrality pact. It enabled Stalin to shift 20 Siberian divisions to protect Moscow. Stalin convinced Hirohito to attack Peal Harbor, to keep them away, while he is fighting Hitler.
The real story cont after Zhukov defeated Japan. In the 30’s and the 40’s the Empire of the Rising Sun threatened the US in the pacific. FDR imposed an embargo on Japan. The embargo was a chokehold.
Peelo, u have to connect the dots !
i concur with your analysis of that human/bot vile thing. i block him and this blog is superior.
I can’t see Russia agreeing to U. S. or European peacekeeping forces. The best solution overall would be to invite both Ukraine and Russia into NATO, while keeping Ukraine neutral, i.e. demilitarize.
Better yet, disband NATO and everyone goes back home to defend their own border from invasion.
There is one sure way to provide security guarantee to Ukraine – move American troops and bases into the country.
Russia will have no choice but to withdraw or start WWIII.
The Americans would have to fight their way in. There are only 100,000 American troops in all of Europe. It would take the better part of a year to ship the necessary tanks and armaments there. And, yes, Russia would absolutely start WWIII if faced with an invading American army.
Don’t know what to make of it myself. But here are some writeups probably worth reading.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/historic-summit-an-empty-and-underwhelming
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/08/summarizing-the-summit.html
I thought the first was a nice writeup
Thanks, Mish. Glad you found some value in it.
At least we got to keep Alaska.
… for now….
alaska. a welfare basket case of a state. better to auction it off to highest bidder. make it ELMO MUSKISTAN
The problem with Alaska is that it is too expensive for Americans to visit.
Only the cruisers see it.
For Trump’s part, I’m not sure if I have seen a more broken man. He spoke for a few minutes in a husky, exhausted tone that betrayed someone absolutely at his wits end, someone who needed a win, and got nothing but more embarrassment and shame. As I have been reporting, the Epstein situation has started Trump down a steep road of collapse. This meeting will not stop it. It will accelerate it.
When a narcissist collapses, they will stop at nothing to save themselves, regardless of the consequences for anyone else. Today, Trump begged a war criminal to help, and the war criminal rejected him and embarrassed him in front the entire planet.
This will add a new deep cut to his deeply wounded ego, a cut that he will be forced to respond to through other means. Here are a few things he may do:
https://www.mind-war.com/p/look-out-below-we-will-pay-for-trumps
Multiple former KGB agents have been remarkably consistent in claiming that Putin has kompromat held over Trump. It sure would explain a lot of things.
The best thing to do would have been to shoot down Putin’s plane as it was leaving and claim it was an accident.
How would the US explain away shooting down Putins plane? Either the military base from which the attack on the plane intentionally assassinated Putin or they effed up.
Putins replacement would more likely to be a hardliner. Perhaps it wouldn’t lead to WW3 but do you feel lucky?
Maybe the Russians would do a limited response such as notifying the US that they will be nuking the US military base that effed up. And the US would then be humiliated as they couldn’t respond without starting WW3.
They could have deployed those UFO/UFA that government has hidden away! No blame then. And they could have waited until Putin’s plane was over Siberia.
Maybe the plane could be made to to look like it developed mechanical difficulty (probably need to coordinate with Mossad to pull this one off).
“It just went off, I swear!”
If Russia would have responded by taking out Langley, Foggy Bottom and the Utah Data Center we’d owe them a debt of gratitude.
Trump is a blowhard and everyone truly knows this. He is a case of the broken clock being right twice a day for a minute and wrong every other second of every day.
And in other failures:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/15/trump-dc-police-chief-dea?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
DC is saved!
“Mr. President Trump, you stood there like a little white noodle, like a fanboy,” – said Arnold Schwarzenegger about Trump’s meeting with Putin.
Putin just wants to appease trump and the eu just enough to not get them involved.
He knows the west is afraid of a nuclear or ww3.
Putin is the richest man in the world. To quote jaba the hut. War is bad for business.
Russia lasted 9 years in Afghanistan
Trump does not care about ukraine. He cares about trump. A peace deal will make him look good. If its good for Ukraine does not matter. Putin knows this.
Remember everyone tried to appease hilter and let him take four or so countries before war was declared on Germany. Think putin is gonna stop at Ukraine. . .
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He’s not getting a Nobel Peace Prize for anything he has done or ever will do. It is still ironic Trump wants this because it is actually based in the EU.
Norway is not an EU member.
He’ll get control of the Nobel committee somehow, and award it to himself. This is how he gets his golf trophies.
The Tsar didn’t have the skills to run an empire. The real collapse happened in1918. Poland was born in 1918. Poland was sandwiched between two powerful enemies: Germany and USSR. The Romanovs controlled Ukraine, Western Poland and Bessarabia [Moldova]. Germany ruled eastern Poland. The Tsar lost his grip on the outflank territories. Between 1917 and 1921 there was unrest, civil war, genocide, ethnic cleansing, famine and foreign intervention. In Feb 2017 Nicolas II was arrested. In Nov 2017 Ukraine became independent. In Brest Litovsk Mar 1918: the Bolsheviks lost Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics. By the end of 1921: western Ukraine part of Poland. Eastern Ukraine: a part of USSR. Lenin offered the muzhiks to join the red army for aristocrats land. Stalin rule USSR with an iron fist. He sent radical Jews to Palestine to build a bridgehead in the middle of the British Empire. They serves the British army. They fought with Col Ord Wingate who beat the Italians. in 1947 Dr Israel Eldad, a Lehi leader, hanged two British sergeants on a tree in retaliation for the British hanging three Lehi fighters.
He comes away from the meeting wanting exactly what Putin wants…. What a deal!
The art of the deal. not.
He comes away from the meeting finally realizing the true state of affairs in Ukraine – which is in marked contrast to what has been fed to him by the neocons.
All he realized was that he got f*cked. Look at the boo boo face he’s making in the ‘press conference’. He didn’t have to answer questions… that face says it all.
Pathetic.
The leaders from the U.K., France, Germany, Finland, Italy and the European Union said Russia “cannot have a veto against Ukraine’s pathway to EU and NATO.
Got news for these morons. Ukraine has a long direct border with Russia. After having NATO wage war on them, they will NEVER allow Ukraine to enter NATO. They have legitimate security interests for Russia. They will burn Ukraine to the ground from Poland to their border unless Ukraine is guaranteed never to join NATO
NATO is a useless outdated unnecessary organization anyway. The US should pull out of it immediately
Also, the two cited publications are both CIA controlled BS. WSJ and WaPo completely controlled my murdering neocons
Why do you have murdering neocons? Leave that to your Government.
If this is true, then why would Russia care if Ukraine joins or not?
Your postings show a lack of thought and knowledge.
US and its NATO 40 richest countries invaded world poorest country, Afghanistan and occupied for 20 years and miserably failed.
NATO is barking from outside fence of Russia border. Look at its performance in Ukraine. Luckily this time around it doesn’t need 20 years.
Have you forgotten that Russia was in Afghanistan before the US?
TRUTH
NATO is useless as a defense organization, but it has proven itself a menace as an offensive organization. See Yugoslavia, Libya and Afghanistan.
NATO is mostly composed of wimps. They really, really , really need to be pushed hard before they will do anything; They NEED someone like Ukraine with real cojones!
Just another retread … these guys show up whenever trump drops the ball.
Russia has been very clear since the start, a ceasefire does not solve the situation- they believe and quite rightly that the Europeans want time to re-arm. Trumps view is pragmatic, Ukraine is losing, he wants out
Rats are leaving sinking ship.
No European leaders are visiting Kiev this year.
I remember well European leaders visited Kiev one after another continuously
in 2022/23.
The warring side losing the war doesn’t get to demand any peace agreement except by surrender.
I’m sure you’d just roll right over and submit if russia invaded the US.
The Ukrainians should’ve thought about that before they let the USA overthrow its democracy and invade Donetsk & Lugansk.
There are few nations just invading other nations without provocation, the USA and Israel and Britain being the three worst offenders — and all three joined together through the City of London. That’s no coincidence.
Because little was shared on what was discussed in the meeting we can all speculate. My take is that it was a quick one with Putin handing over few pictures from Epstein island and asking Trump if he likes that angle.
I was thinking Putin will at least throw Trump a bone by agreeing to cease fire (just to later break it when it suits him) but seems Putin has upper hand here and see no reason for even this small gesture.
This afternoons FT in London is reporting Vlad demands. looks like Ukraine sadly on its own.
If the Ukies had wanted to know how America honors its commitments, they should have asked the Native Americans. By the way, if MI6 ever succeeds in provoking Russia to nuke London (or Berlin or any other Europeon country), do you know what the US will do in response? Absolutely Nothing. Mull that over and reconsider your position as an “ally”.
Amazing what a liberal application of Russian ‘Kompromat’ can achieve when applied by Vlad to the orange one. Trump completely out of his depth, come back John Bolton.
Ah yes, good old John Bolton.
“I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy.” — John Bolton
But he loves for other men to die in wars that he starts and can’t finish.
Yea for Bolton!
If anyone has kompromat on Trump it’s our “friends” the Israelis.
Zelensky wants to dictate terms to Trump. Tomorrow he will use the liberal media
to pit against Trump. Trump swung the pendulum to the other side. Without the US
Ukraine will have to rely on France Germany and the UK, but they are starved, weakened and depleted. Without Trump Ukraine will retreat to avoid defeated. Did he learn from his first meeting with Trump: no. Does Trump care about the puke media: no.
Why the hell is trump even INVOLVED in this? Are we at war with Russia?
1) Under Biden: the US vs Putin and Shi. Now only : Trump vs Shi. Putin on the sideline 2) A Land lease with Ukraine. 3) He is the globalists inverse. Follow his footsteps, not his bs.
Of course we’ve been at war with Russia. We ginned it up, we armed our proxies (dutifully doing the dying for us),we’ve been picking the targets, aiming the missiles and manning the Patriot batteries. While Ukie conscripts have been killed at scale, plenty of Americans have died in Ukraine. They get reported as training accidents if they’re reported at all.
Direct Security Guarantees to Ukraine, possibleImpossible. This is the cause of the war.
FOUR times has Russia fought over Ukraine in the past 100 years and won.
The first in 1918 when the Germans invaded and installed a puppet Ukrainian government under Skoropadsky.
The second in 1919 when the Poles invaded and installed another puppet, Petlyura.
The third in 1941 when the Germans invaded and directly governed Ukraine.
And the fourth in 2014 when the Russian-friendly popularly elected government of Yanukovich was overthrown by western coup plotters and a hostile anti-Russian government elected without millions of eastern Ukrainian votes. Full-scale war was avoided because Putin blithely thought he still had a chance to go soft and be integrated into the western-dominated global community.
Russia will never allow another power into Ukraine. Ukraine is the exposed underbelly of Russia.
Russians knew no peace until 1783 when the Crimean Tatars were brought to heel. Until that time, Crimea controlled much of southern Ukraine and slave raiders reached as far as the suburbs of Moscow burning and looting villages. This was not that long ago: it was in the time of our founding fathers, not the ancient past.
And yet Euro-morons keep talking about security guarantees. There is only one way for Ukraine to be secure: all westerners out of the country immediately, and all treaties and agreements signed by the illegal regimes since 2014 abolished.
People will scoff at this, but that is exactly what Putin told Trump, perhaps for the tenth time, and he means it.
1 million to 200k casualty ratio would beg to differ lol. Yeah I’m sure Ukraine will give up now that Russia is down to sending human waves from Korea. If Europe wasn’t trying to get the Americans to pay the bill they could probably have finished this themselves.
Russia is fighting like it’s WWI and taking WWI casualties, anyone coping otherwise need only watch the footage. Here’s a hint from someone who actually knows war: Losing an entire convoy of armor daily is a bad thing. Some of the new POWs are literal children, real victorious army there.
Russian should offer to take in the Palestinians. Then he could draft them and send them into the meat grinder instead of the North Koreans.
Israeli Jews could go back to Russia. They have their own Jewish Autonomous Oblast.
Palestinians are stupid. Jews aren’t.
Deception, duplicitous in action and fabrications out of whole cloth are the hallmarks of being Ashkanazi smart. What makes anyone stupid is believing there is any morality at all in the Talmudic faith.
Where do you get this crap? Western media? They get it from Ukraine who gets it from the CIA. If Russia were taking heavy losses they’d be the ones begging for a ceasefire.
I don’t he’s put anything off the table yet Mish. Trump is a very tender ego and is given to snapping over it more reliably than he does literally anything else. Getting stood up at his big stupid “conference” that lasted a grand total of an hour can’t have him feeling good even if he swears otherwise.
Whether Putin snubbed him or the other way around, feelings were hurt, and Trump is the biggest snowflake there is when it comes to hurt feelings. The smart thing would be to give Ukraine more inventory we’re trying to get rid of (this isn’t giving them money btw, this is stuff we’ve had sitting since the 80s when it comes to 155 shells and small caliber cartridges).
Ending the war quickly wouldn’t be hard and would only be a fraction of the Titanic budget: make HIMARS and ATACMS a regular presence in Ukraine and cut them off from the rear. Russia has already lost in essentially every way imaginable, it’s just a matter of ending their offensive capabilities and hunting down the vehicles they can’t replace. We could’ve done this for way less money if we’d just stood behind the garuntees we made like Reagan would’ve – and I hate Reagan.
Yup, number 4 is the biggie.
The way how most neocons understand it, #4 is the root cause of the war to Russia.
Trump is trying to stop the march to WW3, which is far more than anyone else in the world is doing.
He’s trying to get attention and a noble prize. Nothing more.
I don’t care what motivates him, as long as he finds a way to end that war.
Spoiler: he won’t. He’s a spoiled manbaby trying to negotiate with adults.
Trump wants to build a Trump hotel in Moscow Square. Nothing more.
Who cares if he builds a hotel in Moscow Square, as long as he ends that war before it turns into WW3. Who cares!
If Trump is able to end that war, future generations will consider him an American Hero in the Ronald Regan league. If he fails, we are screwed.
Zelenskyy would be foolish to accept US guarantees as worth anything. The US already promised security guaranties to Ukraine when they gave up their nukes. Trump just wants whatever his dumb supporters will accept as a win and then he can bray about how he needs a Nobel prize. Time to release to Epstein files and end this presidency.
The Ukraine never had any nukes. The USSR had nukes stationed there, but the launch codes were always guarded by the Kremlin.
Guessing you’re not familiar with how nukes work?