Alarm bells ring as the Trump Administration Strips C.D.C. of Control of Coronavirus Data.
Hospitals have been ordered to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and send all patient information to a central database in Washington, raising questions about transparency.
The new instructions were posted recently in a little-noticed document on the Department of Health and Human Services website. From now on, the department — not the C.D.C. — will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, the number of available beds and ventilators, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.
“Historically, C.D.C. has been the place where public health data has been sent, and this raises questions about not just access for researchers but access for reporters, access for the public to try to better understand what is happening with the outbreak,” said Jen Kates, the director of global health and H.I.V. policy with the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
“How will the data be protected?” she asked. “Will there be transparency, will there be access, and what is the role of the C.D.C. in understanding the data?”
Michael R. Caputo, a Health and Human Services spokesman, called the C.D.C.’s system inadequate and said the two systems would be linked. The C.D.C. would continue to make data public, he said.
“Today, the C.D.C. still has at least a week lag in reporting hospital data,” Mr. Caputo said. “America requires it in real time. The new, faster and complete data system is what our nation needs to defeat the coronavirus, and the C.D.C., an operating division of H.H.S., will certainly participate in this streamlined all-of-government response. They will simply no longer control it.”
Speechless—Trump WH is now muzzling, bypassing, and kneecapping the CDC for realz yo. No other ways to spin this. CDC should be the data aggregator of such critical Covid hospital data. #COVID19 https://t.co/kMyajyDDPy
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) July 14, 2020
Suspicions Arise
https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1283127226435661824
Bottlenecks
About 80% of coronavirus test results in the US are missing basic demographic information, nevermind info on exposures. If I were reporting on an outbreak response in Congo or Liberia, the CDC & US epidemiologists would be wagging their fingers. For shame! https://t.co/Hyhh3g112n
— Amy Maxmen, PhD (@amymaxmen) July 13, 2020
Reports that the administration ordered hospitals to bypass CDC and send coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington are in direct violation with the law – this reporting is not optional.
— Rosa DeLauro (@rosadelauro) July 15, 2020
With this “guidance” the @realdonaldtrump administration is re-routing #COVID19 data from the apolitical @cdcgov.
This enables the admin to tell the story it wants with the data: it makes it easier to propagandize the #Pandemic.https://t.co/7iEn9bLCpr
— Dr. Abdul El-Sayed (@AbdulElSayed) July 14, 2020
Like others, I am very suspicious of actual motivations even if the rationale appears at first glance to make sense.
Mish
The CDC was guaranteed they would still have access to untouched -un bleached – data. The very hour this went into effect the data started to disappear. That is Trump for you, when you are wrong and you know it just hijack the situation and lie.
it does look suspicious, but then so does the CDC
however, imho Trump should have down this weeks ago,
and it may be too late now.
it does look like a case of data manipulation
(although many people around do have their suspicions that this crisis is being manipulated by various organisations with a political intent in mind)
60,000 cases a day doesnt look good,
and looking at the number of daily virus cases points one in the inevitable
direction of
a) bad figures (60,000 cases daily) = good for the Democrats
b) good figures (rapidly falling numbers of cases ) = good for Republicans
any piece of bad economic news is good for Biden et al
and any piece of good economic news is good for Trump et al
from the point of view of the neutral,
the Democrats are a bunch of whining losers,
and you can only say that at least Trump is trying is best to help everyone
(although perhaps not in this way)
Neutral? LOL!
Trump has and will only ever help himself. It will only be sheer coincidence if that ends up helping anyone else. But one thing is certain, so called scientists are now accustomed to sidestepping democracy and the law in order to drag society into their dictatorship having cut their teeth on the contaminated data of Man Made Global Warming, they even got good at marketing when they decidede to change the name of that to CLIMATE CHANGE! They are doing the same pattern with Covid, a pseudoscientific dictatorship.
Did the Trump Administration use the same software developers who created the Obamacare websites?
This is an overdue and smart move. With Florida, labs have been reporting 100% positives – those labs should have been immediately prohibited from reporting (closed down?) and their results never entered into a database. Labs above 50% should be audited immediately for quality control. That CDC is not on the ball is apparent to anyone involved in measurement and analysis of dynamic events – why are public health officials not held accountable for lack of quality control?
The Ministry of Truth rises.
Trump will tell us everything we need to know. Just ask him, he’ll tell you! I’ve never had much trust in government and now I have none.
It’s just getting moved from one building to another. To promote the “career” of a currently more favored on-the-make ladder climber, than what was the case yesterday.
Your role is just to remember that, as of now, we have always been at war with Atlantasia.
Now tRump will show data to prove his points he has been trying to make:
Now that the US with less than 5% of the world’s populations boasts 25% of the world’s Covid cases it is time to start fudging the numbers Trump style. If those numbers are not a sad indictment of our federal government’s attempt to handle the Covid epidemic in this country I don’t know what is. At least Trump can claim America first on this one.
Is this just like the supposed Stalin quote “It’s not the people who vote that counts, but the people who count the votes”.
I have followed Mish a long time. This site used to be the best read for economic analysis. Now it is the refuge for Trump criticism and hatred.
And desperate Trump supporters!
It used to be a refuge for people that didn’t like Hillary or Obama, too. After November it will most likely become a place for complaints about Biden. Mish complains about things he sees wrong, regardless of party.
the move to a main street media site requires that!
If the F’ing shoe fits Mkestral!
Some numbers.
“In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other
respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.
In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff
to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.”
And in another study, asymptomatic cases of sars-cov-2 caused organ damage without apparent “illness”.
It’s hard to Make America Great Again if you don’t centralize data collection.
Zero Hedge: “Update (11:37ET): The worst appears to be over for Arizona’s COVID-19 outbreak. We highlighted this on Tuesday, citing a Goldman Sachs report.”
“Zero Hedge….” ’nuff said. The Onion is a better news source.
“Like others, I am very suspicious of actual motivations even if the rationale appears at first glance to make sense.“
The only things trump has demonstrated competency in are moron-charming, lying, whining, and bankruptcy. Even if his intentions are good (aaaaaaHahahahahha), he’ll make a bigger mess than the CDC.
Well, Zardoz, calling people like Mkestral a moron via implying that strongly is probably not going to help no matter how good it feels or how accurate you are. Just because Trump has so easily conned such people does not mean we should make fun of them, I mean it is not really sporting is it? Kind of like shooting big game in a caged enclosure.
Where is your independent research??? Have you not read “Plague of Corruption”? link to youtube.com
Redfield and Fauci are at the heart of the corrupt system that has been enriching patent holders in GOVT labs, which are the only drugs marketed, while other less expensive therapies get shelved.
Thankfully we have private industry tracking the virus which is why you can get reliable information from Johns Hopkins and NY times. The Trump admin is unreliable and has never been a good source for virus information.
And don’t forget Worldometers, the Covidtracking project, and others.
There is severe irony in sidelining the “Center for Disease Control” in the midst of a raging pandemic.
Further, to replace it by “Javanks’a Really Good Info That You Can Really Really Trust” that will be lead by the POTUS’s son-in-law.
As Navarro cast shade yesterday…“Dr. Anthony Fauci has a good bedside manner with the public, but he has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on.“ and “So when you ask me whether I listen to Dr. Fauci’s advice, my answer is: only with skepticism and caution.“
Gambling with the future of the country without understanding the possible losses.
Feel better now with Dr. Navarro in charge?
Ron Vera will Make America Graveyard Again, for sure!
Well, Trump can use his new authority over the data to reopen the economy and just in the nick of time 2 weeks before the November 3rd election use the same data to make sure all polls remain closed, or at least enough polls in democratic districts. Or use the data to selectively close polls in urban districts where most democrats live, or not to close them but to put a scare into people who will stay away from the polls.
Two incompetent solutions vying for control. At least it makes it easy to doomsday scenario whatever is tried.
“CDC isn’t able to manage the data, so we’re going to compile it in Washington.”
“OMG! Tump is going to phony up the numbers!”
“CDC isn’t able to manage the data, so we’re going to compile it in Washington.”
“About time someone eliminates that broken system!”
How about choice 3:
“CDC isn’t able to manage the data, so we’re going to compile it in Washington.”
“How about the industry pays for the IS upgrades needed at the CDC in return for keeping their tax exempt status?”
Just get out of the way and let any test site and tester (and tested) report whatever the heck he feels like. In real time. No oversight. Just freedom of speech. Then different approaches at aggregation, can slug it out for trustworthiness with the public.
Of course, doing so would result in the most competent “winning.” Rather than the most connected and most lobbied up.
It’s fascinating that people think countries all around the world are willing to wreck their economy to carry out a hoax to take Trump out…
I think it’s the Qanon thing. but yeah, a worldwide conspiracy to keep Trump from being re-elected. The paranoia is strong with his followers.
Trump is learning quickly from the CCP. Absolute power is very good every Mao and then.
We’ve been, in aggregate, worse governed than China for decades by now. Neither a Biden nor Trump administration will hold a candle to Xis. The Chinese are more trustworthy, less intrusive and overall less totalitarian than our goons.
And that sure ain’t on account of any greatness on part of the CCP.
No way in hell i’m voting for this jackass in November I don’t care how much a screwup Biden is.
Next week probably less than 1k cases per day and DOW 30k
If you keep printing money and dumping it into the stock market, it could go up to 31k, but you aren’t producing wealth. You are just printing money.
And since printing the money required to pump up the stock “market” did not produce any wealth; yet somehow made idle stockholders wealthier; what must then, by arithmetic necessity, have happened to the wealth of those still attempting to produce something, instead of just idly sitting there living off of stocks…?
I disagree BB, they are creating wealth for the owners of those assets on Wall Street, 84% of which are owned by 10% of the American population, of course the new FRN’s are just transferring ownership from the nation at large to the top wealthy donor class. Maybe a better way to put it is that the Fed is writing an insurance policy for the wealthy, “no matter how much we destroy the dollar you will be (more) insulated from the damage than the rest of the nation.”
When you’re printing money you’re re-distributing the wealth from the poor the the 0.1% top wealthy. The wealthy have access to printed money and the poor do not.
If you want someone to protect your gun rights. Jo for president.
Trump cowers down to the liberals and gives the libs tools they need to further continuing chipping away at our gun rights. The executive order banning bump stocks planted a dangerous seed.
Gun rights are a major issue with me also so i’m pretty much screwed. At this point i’d just assume it came to a head and deal with it because the continued threats are really getting old.
Right, because 538 people shot in Las Vegas, 59 dead, needed no federal action at all did it? Stephen Paddock was a Trump supporter by the way. Don’t you have some other more pertinent Zero Hedge agenda to push? Really? You have to reach all the way back to bump stocks?
Right now you should get on your knees and pray to your imaginary god your grateful thanks you are even still allowed to own a gun because if the MAJORITY of Americans had their way you would be keeping your weapons in the local armory as part of the militia the constitutiona ACTUALLY authorized, and probably would not pass a psychiatric eval we should apply to all gun owners before they are allowed to access weapons.
I like Jo, but unfortunately the Libertarians nominated as the VP candidate a guy who is nothing but a clown. He was the running mate for Vermin Supreme, the guy with the boot on is head, who promises a free pony for everyone. I’d love to see Jo get into a Presidential Debate, but it would be the end of the party if the VP candidate gets into a VP debate.
The word “clown” is an interesting choice in 2020.
I did a bit more research on Spike Cohen, and I retract that. Though he did have ties to Vermin Supreme, he is apparently not a lunatic (or clown):
and there is NO climate change Keep drilling for oil! link to independent.co.uk
Wrong forum mate?
I think he’s saying that moving the control of the data from Atlanta to Washington will result in more hot air?
He can’t get rid of the demon governors so they take away our freedoms – so he is doing what he can to help stop the spread of the fake pandemic by stopping the google of the pandemic, the CDC.
Trump administration is like a wrecking ball that destroys everything in its path. Of course they are re-directing the data to Washington to tamper with it. Smells like Hitler in 1930’s. Germany was a democratic republic before Nazis came to power – and in a few short months turned into a dictatorship.
The speed with which Trump is dismantling our institutions is METEORIC.
CORRUPT PSYCHOPATH.
CDC was already sub-par before COVID showed up to illuminate it. One of the reasons is corruption and entanglement of interests.
Funny how little swamp draining has gone on…
They’ve been draining the DC swamp into the Trump cesspool …
tRump is making the swamp greater again!
“Germany was a democratic republic before Nazis came to power – and in a few short months turned into a dictatorship.”
Specifically because the two aren’t any different. Just different phrases for the same, old thing: Too powerful a government.
Are they going to shut down the covid tracking project as well with a lawsuit?
In 2020 terms the school year is still a long time away.
I think these questions will be answered by that time or at least we will know how bad an idea it will be. One more double and things will be very interesting.
Trump thinks he can hide the data but the public already does not trust him. Biden just needs to let this clown keep digging the hole deeper until November.
This will be interesting. I know Trump would love to block the real numbers from getting out, but I think the American press will try there best to ascertain the real numbers and publish them. The result may be that we have two sets of numbers going forward. I believe that it will be the first time in my life that a majority of people will have believed that the US Government was openly lying to them, and I believe it will backfire in a major way.
” I believe that it will be the first time in my life that a majority of people will have believed that the US Government was openly lying to them”
If only….
One can always hope, I suppose.
RE: “I believe that it will be the first time in my life that a majority of people will have believed that the US Government was openly lying to them”
You must be very, very, very young …
During the Vietnam war a large percentage of people believed that the government was lying to them, but not, so far as I could tell, a majority.
He would have to have been born a couple minutes before his post…if Carl thought that the Government hadn’t openly lied.
They definitely lied about WMDs in IRAQ…
That came out pretty quickly…Big Fat Lie…but the G’mt kept on with that lie for a good while.
Looks like we’ve grown envious of the China approach to the virus. Nothing will change on the ground level, but the numbers will be much more aesthetically pleasing!
Does the new entity data is to be reported to have a system that can expose it in real time. Is that system tested? And, what stops hospitals, etc. from reporting to both the CDC and the new site?
And, yeah, I used the term, “site”, loosely. 🙂
In the end, it would certainly be good if the data processing on all this is improved. Bad data. Slow data. And, in the end, most of the data is misleading, at best.
This is the end result–people will be blind-sided by severe outbreaks and every reaction to outbreaks will be weeks too late, resulting in maximum carnage.
It’s the perfect way to open schools with maximum damage.
We are entering the era of Soviet style government
Depends on what happens in November.
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If you play an assholes games you just end up smelling like shit.
We became the Soviet Union when we started competing with them. It’s just been a slide downhill since.
We have been a Soviet like government since 9/11. The power just keeps centralizing more to DC.
Hurray, now the data will not be phony or delayed at the federal level! Check that, just as I suspect happened in Florida, the locals will now tamper with the results and try to frighten the public.
what else are you told to believe?
Hooray, now the data will be phony and delayed at the Federal level! Transferring data control from a medical staff to a political staff makes the US data no better than Chinese data now.
Or the opposite of throwing out results to show improvement.
I thought y’all didn’t like the Chinese system?
I didn’t realize you just wanted to duplicate it here…
This is the same CDC whose numbers for flu deaths Trump has quoted in the past? So his followers quote flu numbers from the CDC to minimize the seriousness of covid19 then call their covid19 numbers fake?
The data can now not be trusted.