Get the Facts (From CNN)
Twitter inserted a “Get the Facts” link on mail-in voting at the end of a pair of Trump Tweets.
Here is the target of the “Get the Facts” link.
Trump Makes Unsubstantiated Claim
Trump Accuses Twitter of Interfering in the Election
is now interfering in the 2020 Presidential Election. They are saying my statement on Mail-In Ballots, which will lead to massive corruption and fraud, is incorrect, based on fact-checking by Fake News CNN and the Amazon Washington Post….
Censorship
It’s Time Mr. President- 🇺🇸🙏President Donald Trump made a promise on Saturday to address the censorship of conservatives on social media platforms. pic.twitter.com/pdqJY9Q6gB
— Real Ben Garrison Cartoons (@GrrrGraphics) May 26, 2020
Cheating!
This is utterly astounding that he is sending out ballots, and taking away the option to vote at a booth, it is obvious that this is the only way that the Democrats think that they can win an election, by cheating!
— Dr. Dawn Michael (@DawnsMission) May 26, 2020
Fact Check
fact check:
– mail-in balloting has already been a thing for decades
– dozens of states already use mail-in ballots
– the amount of voter fraud over all this time has been a rounding error away from zero
– Dear Leader has seen his internal polling
– and he’s freaking out
– sad— Jeff Tiedrich (@itsJeffTiedrich) May 26, 2020
Is Any Checking Done?
Mail-in ballots can be stolen, used multiple times by the same person or “lost” like in 2016 (USPO employee threw a bunch of ballots away). #VoterFraud is real! Just as #MediaBias reports #FakeNews because they are #EnemyOfThePeople #TwitterLies #ThesePeopleAreStupid or think U R pic.twitter.com/kCHK2eAtBS
— v@ (@ultimadkda) May 26, 2020
Trump says he will not allow this free speech violation to happen.
His only recourse that I can see is suing Twitter.
Will Trump Sue Twitter?
Twitter Corrected a Trump Tweet for the First Time ever
Trump says he will not allow censhorship.
Will Trump Sue Twitter?https://t.co/HVUHU6ulpZ
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) May 27, 2020
Mish
“Shari Nelson: I received 5 ballot applications today. 4 are for people who lived here 7 years ago. I could send all these in and receive 5 ballots to vote.”
Democrats in Clark County Nevada sued to get ballots for the primary, sent out to people who had been removed from the rolls, for such things as moving somewhere else. As can be seen from Sheri’s concerned comment, wherever she lives, there is incentive for mischief in this election. Democrats are desperate to get rid of Trump and it is obvious that Democrats will pull any trick in the book toward that end.
Tucker Carlson mentioned that Democrats even want to get rid of the signature requirement on mail in ballots. Democrats are not interested in the integrity of the voting system. They want to win at all cost. That is not democracy.
The left has always been about expediency. Whatever works at the time is OK, and their cause is so important the the end always justifies the means. The further left, the more this is true. Thus, the blood bath that was the 20th century. The left in the US is no different today. They just haven’t had the opportunity to fully impose their will here, but they are working on it.
Don’t forget your president lost by 3 million votes. Define democracy.
My grandfather never voted Democrat while he was alive.
I’m no Trumpeter but I believe Twitter has no right to pick and choose whose tweets they are going to officially “fact check” (naturally Trump’s given Twitter’s own leanings) and whose they are not (nearly everyone else’s).
Twitter should have to either”fact check” EVERY tweet that includes debatable assertions or NONE … the latter would be the best approach.
And where is the line between “stating a fact” and “expressing an opinion”?
It should be left entirely up to other Twitter users to do their own “fact check” and/or point other people to their preferred “fact check” sites if they so choose.
If anyone is taking a poll, I filled out the application for my absentee ballot at the beginning of this month for my local primary. I never received it and the election is next week. The County Clerk’s office said they mailed it to me weeks ago. Now I will have to vote in person or there is a risk my vote will not be counted.
The Twitter link that proclaims “experts say mail-in ballots are very rarely linked to voter fraud” is hilarious to anyone with half an independent thought. How would anybody know, especially if a significant number of mail-in ballots are never received by the intended recipients? There should be another disclaimer at the bottom of the CNN and Washington post statement which says, “There is no evidence that unnamed experts are unbiased, that they actually exist, or that they know anything.”
Marco Rubio highlights how Trump might respond in a way other than suing. It’s a fair point. Are they a publisher or a public forum? As the latter, they are protected from being sued for what is published there since they are neutral; but as a publisher, they can be held liable for what choices they make, i.e. they can be accused of unfair discrimination, treating people unequitably etc. – which they clearly do each and every day.
Twitter’s head of ‘Site Integrity’ is clearly quite biased, and any company that gave him that title must also be quite biased and thus probably not suited for both censoring content and being a public platform.
He shouldn’t sue. Twitter’s free to do this if it wants imo. He should just start moving to another, competing platform. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions will eventually follow. He’s certainly petty and vindictive enough to do this anyway.
Trouble is: there really IS a problem with systemic bias on the major social media platforms and that is a problem for the entire nation’s political well-being which goes far beyond Trump. So hopefully he will confront the issue head-on and find a way to either break them up or force change. They can’t have it both ways: functioning as a publisher with partisan editorial choices but enjoying neutral ‘platforming’ protections. That has to change, doesn’t matter what side you are on politically.
I think the most infuriating thing about Trump for TDS’ers must be that he’s usually on the right side of all issues like this. Infuriating!!
I’m reading a biography of him that came out recently. Quite good. Did you know he likes to read quietly in the evening? Including things like Socrates? He’s quite a character…. Book’s Title: Psychologically Sound (! – designed to trigger, I guess..!)
“Database Swells to 1,285 Proven Cases of Voter Fraud in America
Voting by mail makes it easier to commit fraud, intimidate voters, and destroy the protections of the secret ballot.
dailysignal.com”
Democrats are not seeking national vote by mail out of the goodness of their hearts.
They have an ulterior motive.
The only election that was that close was the Florida one where Sandra Day O’Conner appointed GWB as our 43rd POTUS.
Like we have a DuckDuckGo search engine, a QuackQuackGo twitter replacement would be useful.
“Sherikia Hawkins was charged Monday with six felony counts for allegedly altering absentee ballots during the November 2018 election in her capacity as city clerk for the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Mich. Hawkins, a 38-year-old registered Democrat, stands accused of altering 193 absentee ballots.”
What did DJT say that is untrue? Nothing. What he said is naturally one-sided, but the platform has built-in support for correction by the Twitter community by retweets and comments. Apparently the Left cannot bear him (or anyone) speaking outside of their narrative. It’s like allowing you to hold up signs at your rally or demonstration but applying their own message to your sign first.
Maybe they are just using his input or opinion to promote their favourite media sources? In that case it is an IPR question, where Trump has been defrauded of his contribution by Twitter to benefit the profile or increase readership of other sources.
Maybe that is why some people keep calling Trump a moron, sort of to remove the idea that he has any intellect to protect, arrogant pre-emptive dismissal of any claim.
I actually don’t much believe in IPR and maybe that is because I think in reality you openly share an idea or not , but misuse of or not correctly attributing authorship, or copying for the purpose of deception, is dishonest.
Oh the poor baby! Called out on his BS in real time. Guess he’ll have to find another outlet for his toilet tantrums if he doesn’t want editorial comment.
There sure as S#!T will be fraud. That’s why the left likes mail in voting and early voting. The left values expediency over ethics. That’s why there is an election DAY. Show up at the polls on election day with a picture ID with an address on it. Vote using paper ballots. Absentee ballots for cause only. A short time window makes mischief more difficult. This is only prudent to prevent fraud and should not be controversial.
As for news filtering, check results of Google vs. DuckDuckGo. Very interesting. Google has gone very deep blue.
You have to be kidding!!! DuckDuckGo use data from crowd sourced sites and that well known hotbed of misinformation called Wikipedia.
And for those of you unfamiliar with the definition of crowdsourcing…..
“The practice of obtaining information or input into a task or project by enlisting the services of a large number of people, either paid or unpaid, typically via the internet.” I would not put any faith in any search results produced by DuckDuckGo. Search results can easily be influenced by organizations political or otherwise. If you want pure unbiased reporting follow BBC news. It will also help you become more familiar with what goes on in the rest of the world. Most Americans are sadly misinformed.
Funny, when I use Google for any question with political content, always WaPo, Ny Times, CNN, etc show up. DuckDuckGo provides a variety of results. I’m looking for search across the web, not a search across approved sources. Approved sources and content is where Google is heading. I used to love google. Now they are just another bunch of mushroom farmers.
Because DuckDuckGo searches crowd sourced sites you are being spoon fed exactly what you want to hear. Garbage.
I can decide for myself what is or isn’t bullshit. Search engines are not supposed to be filtering for content. Perhaps you are afraid that you can’t discern real from bull and need someone to do that for you. Or even worse, have those other people be exposed to ideas that you may disagree with.
And the MSM doesn’t spoon feed propaganda? They are less a spoon and more a fire hose. If you don’t read and watch a variety, you can’t form an opinion or separate fact from fiction. Watch equal parts CNN and Fox. You’ll start to hate them both. There is some truth in there somewhere, but the spin outweighs the factual content. Nothing wrong with WaPo, NYT, ABC CBS, etc. There is something VERY wrong with those guys all the time. They will rot your judgement.
And this is the problem with trying to rule from a minority cult of personality.
Every issue is then seen as about that person and cannot be discussed in a rational manner.
Solutions for a very real problem cannot be advanced and we are left with a dictatorial response.
Yes, we did see Democrat governors behaving as dictators, after all the leftist propaganda that it was Trump who was a wannabe dictator.
It does worry me. For the local May 5th election my house was mailed forms for getting ballots for 5 different people. Only 2 registered voters live here. My mother in law was mailed a form for a ballot, she died in 2009. You also still hear about things like this:
link to nationalfile.com
Is it really that irrational to think there will be some fraud?
With that said, Trump argues against it in a sensational and hysterical way. Moreover, Twitter is a private company and can make their own fact checking rules, which Trump should think is better than deleting his account, which is what happens to most people attacking others.
Experts say that mail-in ballots are very RARELY linked in voter fraud…so that was the so called fact checking. “Experts” – who were they? And could someone define “very rarely”? Is that what percentage of the total votes? 5%? 10%? 20%?
I am not that fond of Mr. Trump but even less fond of some Twitter telling me should I believe him or not.
I believe an investigative journalist from the right would report on voter fraud rates as soon as that evidence is uncovered.
Also, the label twitter slapped on the President’s tweet is warranted in its claim as non factual solely on the point that he was wrong that ballots were being sent to “anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there.” In fact, they are only being sent to registered voters.
Is Twitter really subject to the same free speech rules given there is no legitimate way to prove anything written by anyone there is actually them ? How can you claim free speech in this scenario ? Even if you admit you wrote it, there is no provable way to determine that it is you that wrote the words. Hence there is no way to claim free speech given twitter is a private platform. Twitter can’t be sued for free speech imo given they are a private company and not subject to the same rules as other media.
I agree that there is nothing “public” about Twitter, a company, not a government (public) service. They have the right to publish what they want just like a newspaper or a cable station do.
Not a Trump fan but he is correct. Bad move by Dorsey, perhaps fatal for Twitter. Having worked for a Councilman in this one party State of California I can tell you that mail in ballots are easily fraudulently voted. I’ve seen it and reported violations backed up with data to the Ca Secratary of State. One has to lawyer up and spend hundreds of thousands simply to contest a local election with provable fraud. The fraud is perpetrated mostly by City or County Clerks in charge of the election process. The only way to hold honest elections is to vote in person with paper ballots with the voting and the vote counting done same day at the physical precinct with representatives for each candidate or initiative on the ballot present and observing the process. Precinct totals are then published and accumulated. Anything else can be easily gamed and is. Its gonna be a rough year. If Trump loses he can take a sample of mail in votes from a big urban Democratic area in a state where the voting was close where he can for sure find mail-in vote fraud and we’ll have a crisis on our hands.
What’s the incentive to cheat in a state that is 70% Democrat ? They don’t even have to count all the votes to win. And if you vote in person, what is the guarantee that your vote is counted ? There can be fraud in a number of ways but that is true irrespective of whether you vote in person or via mail. I’m just asking for all 50 states. Give me an outcome and I can claim it fraudulent. Which is what the loser will do in 2020.
My experience with observing fraud is with local elections only. With observers verifying the count physically fraud isn’t gonna happen.
Oregon has been mail in ballots ONLY for more than 20 years. There is no more fraud there than anywhere else. But then voting fraud is the bette nior of the right only which is ironic since if it existed in any substantial form both sides would be using it. Instead the right claims the left is employing it (usually implying Mexican immigrants are using it to vote illegally which is in fact racist) while they are the world’s single most creative election riggers human history has ever seen with a specialty in black vote suppression.
One of the responses to the Tweet was that one woman had got multiple applications for a mail in ballot. People long since moved. But that is an APPLICATION for a mail in ballot not a ballot. And if she acted on that the computer system would flag the address as having 5 applications and they would be manually checked, do you really know anyone who would risk prison by committing a felony over their own partisan politics? Do you really think there are NO protective measures in our balloting system? For another thing it is also a felony to tamper with the mails. Opening mail misdelivered to you by the post office that you know is not intended for you can land you in more hot water than you would care to guess, and the post office takes it very seriously, I worked for them for 89 days and know that it is something you are really better off not doing.
What the GOP is bitching about here really is mail in ballots lift voter participation, no one side of the partisan divide gets a distinct advantage because both sides can cheat if they are willing to risk it, but it does increase turn out. The party that specializes in voter suppression does not like that of course. Because democrats do outnumber republicans, it is in the GOP interest to keep as many democrats from voting as they can.
One thing I do not like about mail in ballots is that it could take months or years to count them all. And the capacity of the average voter to screw up is enormous. Just look at Florida in 2000. Speaking of Florida 2000, another thing I don’t like is relying on the USPS to actually deliver a ballot. I know in 2000 I moved in late August from Tallahassee to New York too late to register there. Seven days before the election I had not got my ballot and called the registrars office in Leon County. They said they sent it but I never got it. So they mailed another which arrived the day after the election on Wednesday when I could not vote it. Just think, it only took about 637 misdelivered democrat ballots to switch the win to Bush.
How do you know, and who polices the police?
Who polices the police? Largely the free press, which Trump is destroying. How do we know there isn’t much voter fraud? Well, Trump established a commission to look for it, but they couldn’t find anything and he disbanded it.
In Arizona, each party can do ballot audits to ensure the count the machines report (we keep the original paper ballots) or to count the mail in ballots. This is a reliable way to catch fraud. Also, for mail in ballots, if the state makes a website that allows people to check the status of their vote, they can personally see is someone (city clerks, as you allege) has stolen their ballot. This also protects the voter who doesn’t receive their ballot because it was sent to an old address to see if that household sent in their ballots for them.
The problem is those that are registered but don’t vote. The City/County Clerks have access to the signature cards and have a forger forge the sigs. Centralized counting of the precinct’s ballots is also problematic cause the ballot bundles can be swapped. Ballots here are not bar-coded and tracked perhaps because retribution if you don’t vote the right way? I’m all ears for better airtight ways for voting…
If anyone thinks the MSM talking heads are anything more than paid actors reading from a script, see what you think of this time-compressed montage from Jimmy Dore. Truly Orwellian.
link to youtube.com
To be fair, a herd doesn’t need a leader. A herd is not even controlled in the sense we usually mean “control”. You say “bombshell”. I like it and repeat it. Soon, we’re both chanting in sync.
That said, yes, “paid actors reading from a script”.
Popular tweets need no protection.
What if Trump started using a Twitter competitor (there must be more than one)? With his base and personal endorsement, the platform he chooses will get instant credibility against twitter. I’ve long wondered why he doesn’t do this?
This was my first thought/reaction. And nothing stopping him from transitioning, using both at same time for a while. Tons of people would follow him.
Gonna register twitterformorons.com and make my fortune!
Jack Dorsey has even considered opening a second version of Twitter that is unmoderated and people could decide which they prefer to read. I, personally, think that would still raise the same amount of news and uproar when “unsightly” things appear on the unmoderated version, leaving them in the same predicament, the center of controversy.
You would want to run it as a hidden service. Anonymous publishers, anonymous readers, anonymous followers.
To be worth vile, enough of the indoctrinati would have to be sufficiently grown up to preferentially access such services, though. And once that cat is out of the bag, the official, Party, line no longer enjoys the de facto privileges it currently does.
Which is why Trump isn’t promoting any such thing. Pretenses and propaganda aside, he’s a swamp creature, after all. No different from the rest of then. Nor from the book burners of the 30s. He’s just one who likes to play pretend.
Besides, he’s too plain stupid anyway… Again, just like the rest of them. And, again, like the book burners scared of books they were too dumb to understand. They’re all the same.
Looks like we’re one day closer to inevitable civil unrest. In the meantime I guess I’ll grab some popcorn because I have little love for giant tech firms or for Trump.
Trump may or may not sue, but either way the subsequent fighting will be quite a spectacle. Still almost six months of this election circus to go!
We got used to MSM biases. Fox is right sided, the other are left leaning. Not sure if that’s good. In fact, I’d rather unbiased MSM, but it is what it is.
The major platforms is another thing though. One cannot reach other people w/o they watching eye. How do we deal with that?
I don’t know what Trump should do!
The MSM and major platform have LOTS of commentary about Trump and whatever is publishes. This would have happened w/o Twitter evolving its role to fact checking.
The question is who fact checks the fact checker? And, would Twitter allow individuals to say they are wrong?
If Twitter was a minor player they can do whatever they like. But, shouldn’t dominating this aspect of the media change the rules for Twitter (akin to antitrust law)?
“I don’t know what Trump should do!”
Same as always… cry boo hoo hoo and threaten to sue. Too bad his dad is dead, he can’t run crying to him.
This guy is out of control. He must be pissed by how much his ratings have tumbled.
Covid-19 pushed him over the edge. And ironically had he acted sooner, he might have been in the driver’s seat. He must look in the mirror every morning and wonder where the hell he went wrong. Literally the only thing that could stop him was a truth that is incontrovertible. Viruses are not fake things.
This reminds me of High School when Civics teachers would set up scenarios in which we kids would argue vehemently, without awareness, against the 1st amendment. We all want those we disagree with to be silenced. For the truth. Or for the good of the people. Or to stop pedophiles. Or terrorists. Or whatever.
Is Twitter a common carrier or is it their responsibility to ensure that no one yells “Fire” in a their theater? “Fire”, of course, could be anything you and I and all our crowd naturally think is dangerous bunk. Of course, of course. Saying such things is beyond the pale.
I think Twitter goofed here. But, then, I’m a 1st amendment type. I have no problem with the Ben Franklins of the world setting up post offices that carry information Franklin and the post office disagree with.
The world in saturated with edited content. And, there are plenty of other AI tasks just as fun and more useful to do. So why should Twitter people bother with this one?
Too, Twitter’s “fact check” system will become a focal point. That seems tangential to their business and, maybe, their culture.
Perhaps Twitter should allow organizations to filter and modify Twitter feeds viewed by the organization’s customers. That way such customers could enhance the strength and security of their bubbles!
“…what we have now was not anticipated.”
If you actually believe that, you need to study up on your history and all the reasons why the first amendment was written.
For instance – Before during, and even after the revolution, people had lengthy debates – both sides believing their position to be true – via letters to the various newspapers of the day. The newspapers did not print only one side, they printed both sides – even if they agreed with one side more than the other.
Furthermore, before and during the revolution, much of this debate was carried on using pseudonyms because of fear of retaliation by the British. And the papers – even if they knew or suspected the identity of the writers – still protected both sides.
The First Amendment was written to protect all forms of speech from restraint and/or censorship by government.
Having said that, FaceTubeTwitStagram is not government. They are private companies and can do whatever they please. If people choose to keep using them, and advertisers keep giving them money, then I guess the people are okay with their actions.
All great points, especially about Social Media not being government in regards to 1st Amendment rights.
I do think Trump is out of line and actually hurting himself, but it does open a can of worms here. When and how often will Twitter jump in with fact checks?
For example, Obama tweets that he lowered the deficit to $400B by his last year in office. This is debatable. The “Budget” Deficit was $400B, but the overall deficit was $1.4T or $1,400B. Obama complained that Bush ignored expenses off the budget and added expenses off the budget with continuing resolutions – promised not to do it, and then did it more than Bush did it. Should Twitter jump in explaining how this claim is largely “a politician’s smoke and mirrors?” Does Twitter even have the army of researchers to do this across the board and do so fairly?
I am not sure.
I do think Trump is out of line, but I could argue all politician deceptions are out of line.
Best to live life with the understanding that anytime a politician’s lips are moving, there is a 99.9% chance that everything coming out them is bullshit.
Where does Twitter draw the line though? Are going to start doing this for all politician’s statements? Do they have the resources to start doing this to all politicians? If not are they biased?
The person who is Twitter’s fact checker has on numerous times tweeted out extremely harsh things about the Republican Party and even on multiple occasions called Trump (who has Jewish grand kids) a Nazi. Is this the objective and neutral guy to do fact checks?
Twitter risks credibility now that they are doing content and no longer just a vessel of other people’s speech.
This statement needs fact checking. Anyone who thinks twitter has one fact checker is a complete rube and deserves to have their internet card taken from them.
They have many fact checkers.
But they have one guy in charge of the whole effort. That’s the one to whom michiganmoon was referring.
Good – about time somebody called him on his manipulative BS.
Correct Anda. his opinion is worthless to me.
If you pay attention to Twitter, or CNN, or WaPo, or…, you are beyond helping already.
Bad bots.
Seems like the media are taking over ! In Spain the public are now paying for government to advertise itself to them. It is not clear if this is by law obligatory for papers to print
but money changes hands all the same. The ad. says “We will come out stronger”, which is being questioned by many.
This is Mathew Bennett’s take :
‘ Publico (news media) – “Distributing institutional publicity according only or principally to criteria of audience is to promote a Darwinism that is incompatible with the diversity any institution should promote”
Mathew Bennett – “Publico wants more government money, life isn’t fair.” ‘
How Publico came up with that sentence I don’t know, completely Orwellian.