Two States Fully Reopen All Businesses at Full Capacity Without Masks

Mish

America reopens without masks, at least in two states.

Texas is 100% Open

Everything, Including Masks says Governor Greg Abbott

Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves (R) Lifts All Mask Mandates

Big Experiment

An Opinion

Eric Ding Wants to Vomit

Sentiment Runs Both Ways

God Bless Texas

Texas Death Warrant

Beto O'Rouke call Abbot's decision a "Death warrant for Texans".

Dr. Fauci 60 Minute Flashback

Dr. Fauci: "People should not be walking around with masks.... There is no reason to be walking around with a mask".

Fauci’s remarks were made on March 8, 2020 and do not represent his current stance on face coverings. 

He now says he was attempting to preserve masks for hospital workers. 

Lying is Bad Business

Lying is a bad way to do business, especially when you change your tune so drastically going from no masks to supporting two masks and telling people not to eat out at all.

It is any wonder millions of people do not trust Fauci?

Fauci's Forever Changing Tune

A few days ago I asked Is Anyone Else Fed Up With Dr. Fauci's Forever Moving Goalposts?

For that I was attacked on the left and right for criticizing Fauci and for not criticizing him enough.  

And I was also criticized for dragging the teachers' union into the mud. 

No attempt to look at both sides goes unpunished, especially one that involves unions on the side. 

For a discussion of teachers' union on which I am on rock sold ground, please see Even a $130 Billion Bribe Won’t Get Kids Back in the Classroom this School Year.

Meanwhile, Texas and Mississippi are rolling the dice. Full reopenings without  masks, before mass vaccinations, will either work or fail. Lives are at stake. 

Good luck. 

Regardless of what one's views are on masks, we should all be rooting that Abbott and Reeves made the correct decision.

Human Sacrifice Addendum

One normally reasonable reader commented 

Regardless of what one's views on human sacrifices are, we should all be rooting that those who are ordering the sacrifices will appease the gods and bring the much needed benefits.

That statement is of course ridiculous. 

It is equates the possibility of a mistake to purposeful death. Realistically one might assume that in the name of "scientific integrity" we should be hoping people die, although I am sure that was not this person's message.

What About Fauci's Alleged Lie?

Another commented that Facui did not lie about masks, but rather the science changed. Lying involves and intent to deceive. 

I believe Fauci did intend to deceive to preserve masks for health care workers. Low and behold, as soon as enough masks were available, Fauci changed his tune. 

At best Fauci's statements were horrid science. Scientists long ago knew how the flu spread and supposedly Covid was different. 

The Grand Experiment

I agree with reopening, I don't agree with casually deciding it's OK for everyone not to wear masks. 

Hopefully, health care centers, nursing homes, restaurants, and work places in general don't say to hell with it before we have a higher percentage of immunizations.

Mish

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njbr
njbr

Like everything in this year long tale, we'll just have to see how it plays out.

Downward trend from vaccine and restrictions and masks, upward trend from cutting off restrictions on mandatory mask, and curveballs coming in from variants.

I suspect the timing is due to making the people forget the February freeze follies.

Bury the news cycle.

yanee
yanee

Opening the state could be justified for economic reasons but saying no one has to wear masks is stupid and dangerous politics. He's probably just trying to push the news cycle past the snow storm.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

My take is that Abbott is trying to take the attention off the power grid debacle.

I am waiting to see how the state medical and dental boards come down on this. The dental board just issued new COVID guidelines a few days ago that eased a few things.....I don’t think its wise for doctor’s offices to go back to the old normal.

We will of course now have to deal with defiant people who won’t want to mask....and they will be quoting the governor...never mind it isn’t even supposed to start until next week.

This is very premature in my estimation, and it will probably trigger some super-spreader events. They haven’t even offered the vaccine to teachers yet, which I think should be done prior to fully opening schools.

Irondoor
Irondoor

If a state issues driver’s licenses, is the state responsible for traffic accidents? Did these governors ban the use of masks by those who wish to wear one (or two)?

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

It is scumbag republican philosophy of "heads I win, tails you lose." If Abbot's reopening is successful (i.e. hospitals not overwhelmed in 30 days) then he can claim victory ("I win"), if he is wrong people will die and hospitals will be filled and then more people will die ("tails you lose") and things will close back down. Why not gamble with the lives of Texas citizens?

Standard republican scumbag modus operandi.

njbr
njbr

HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- Gov. Greg Abbott credits vaccinations in Texas with allowing the state to reopen, but COVID-19 data shows the state has higher numbers now than when he initially issued pandemic orders in October 2020.

...the latest COVID-19 data on the Johns Hopkins COVID Tracking Project shows right now the positivity rate in Texas is at 13.5%. That percentage is higher than what it was on Oct. 7, when Abbott issued his COVID-19 restrictions orders. The seven-day average of deaths per day is at 227, which is a 91% increase from Oct. 7.

Sechel
Sechel

Is everyone vaccinated? Right call? Hardly

KidHorn
KidHorn

Liberals are are scared there won't be a spike in covid cases in TX and MS.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65

So happy for the people in Texas and Missouri. Florida, where I live, which led in terms of being most open will be the next state.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the other states (and countries) to follow suit once they realize there aren't mass deaths in the street.

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Eddie_T
Eddie_T

It looks to me by what I can see online that the medical and dental community in Florida is still requiring social distancing and masking in the clinics and doctors offices and emergency rooms, which strikes me as a very good policy.

Is this incorrect?

That’s what I’d like to see here for a while yet. We’ve been OPEN since May 2020...but we’ve been taking massive precautions. While the current trends in new infections looks promising, it would be unwise to stop social distancing and masking in places where spreading COVID has a high probability of occurring.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65

I haven't been to the dentist since August. At that time you had to wear a mask in the waiting room but obviously not the chair. They also took your temperature with those laser guns. So I am not sure if it's still a requirement (my daughter due to go next month so I'll see then).

When I was covid tested in January the walk in clinic required a mask.

Woodturner
Woodturner

Right now Florida has a 7.8% positive test rate, only 19% ICU capacity, over 31,000 deaths and currently an average of 132 deaths per day. Not exactly a success story.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65

Yes but what are those numbers compared to California, a state that is mostly still in full lockdown. You need something to compare against to know whether it's a success or not.

Jojo
Jojo

Weeding the herd of the weak.

Jojo
Jojo

Positive tests may be false due to too high cycle thresholds on PCR tests.

But this aspect might be too complex for you to understand.

Jojo
Jojo

Last I heard, I think it was down to around 3.6%.

TLinFL
TLinFL

Had a cleaning today in Florida, everyone masked up, few in the waiting room. Some weird contraption that resembled an old salon hair dryer next to the chair.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Thanks. Those hairdryer things are evacuating devices invented for removing fumes from a workspace in industrial welding applications....most of the ones I looked at. No real data on how good they work for dentistry, but many are trying them.

Carl_R
Carl_R

Florida is 29th in the country in cases/million at 89,586, and is 27th in deaths/million at 1456. Not an an astonishing success, but also not a miserable failure. They are basically in the middle of the pack. California, by comparison is 26th in cases/million at 90,611, and 30th in deaths at 1338, so really, it's almost dead even with Florida.

Doug78
Doug78

I wish Texas well. I vote in Florida which has been pretty open for a while now and they like it. The state is full of people from lockdown states fleeing the lockdowns in their home states too. If Biden said the truth then by May we will have 300 million doses. Do the math and you see that in the next two months or so just about everybody who is even remotely in danger will have been vaccinated. The risk window is rapidly closing. Those who don't want the vaccine will be the only ones left and they made their choice. Opening up now is not a rash decision as it seems unless of course Biden doesn't deliver.

The real mysteries are more interesting now. It seems Covid has killed Influenza. That's an overstatement of course but it is not because of Flu cases being misclassified as Covid. The tests show that Influenza is almost non-existent this year even in countries who have been free of Covid like Australia. It is worldwide. You might assume social distancing is at work here but that is more a rationalization than fact. There are going to be some very interesting papers coming out about this in the near future. By that time media interest will have moved to other things and the real scientific business can proceed without all the stupid fluff. I am looking forward to the day.

Realist
Realist

"Regardless of what one's views are on masks, we should all be rooting that Abbott and Reeves made the correct decision."

Human sacrifices by those in charge go back throughout history to many cultures.

Regardless of what one's views on human sacrifices are, we should all be rooting that those who are ordering the sacrifices will appease the gods and bring the much needed benefits.

TCW
TCW

Folks can still wear a mask and social distance to protect themselves if they choose to, they're not being told they have to stop.

SAKMAN
SAKMAN

Oh Wow Mish, do I understand that making a statement, and then changing your mind is a lie?

I interpret the Fauci statement, and really any statement as being about personal knowledge, i.e., "There is no reason that I know of for people to wear masks". He isn't all knowing, and certainly any statement without that addition ("that I know of") would be interpreted as false by someone.

This is an exagerration, to call the statement and the walk back evidence of a lie.

What about, "When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?".

Feedback
Feedback

I'm in Texas and will gladly report back.
I find it crazy, I have been a part of this blog community for more than 15 years. This has always been a skeptical audience.
With this RONA stuff, suddenly everyone trusts the experts?
Has anyone actually read the details of the "vaccines." Do you guys understand statistically what the "95% effective" rate means? The actual limitations and efficacy of PCR testing.
It's like the Libertarian crew suddenly feared mortality?
Living in fear is not living at all.

Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple

I applaud Texas and Mississippi for acting as a control, imperfect though it may be, in this grand experiment. If the result is fewer Texans and Mississippians, oh well.

Sechel
Sechel

why did we need masks two months ago but not now? Biden is right. This is Neanderthal thinking that will result in lives lost.

Woodturner
Woodturner

Those making these decisions are least likely to suffer the consequences if they are wrong. Dr. Osterholm from CIDRAP says as long as there is wood (unvaccinated people) the fire will burn. And like actual fires, they can be somewhat unpredictable what direction they go.

gttheo
gttheo

Right as the first cluster of P1 and B117 is hitting. April is going to be an utter sh**show in Tejas, Florida, etc.

Esclaro
Esclaro

When you have Lauren Boepert agreeing with you, you know that you have just entered the looney bin. I guess Q told Abbott the mental cripple to open the state!

logically
logically

"Rolling the dice", lol, an "economist" who does not understand data? Sorry do you know there were 0 flu deasths in the UK this year?


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