UK Election Math: What are the Odds of a Hung Parliament?

The above chart is from Electoral Calculus. Prediction based on opinion polls from 25 Oct 2019 to 04 Nov 2019, sampling 15,917 people.

Tory Starting Point

Majority Math

  • 650 Seats
  • Expect Sin Fein to pickup one seat. If Sin Fein does not sit, and it’s likely they don’t sit, Parliament will have 642 MPs.
  • The Speaker and 3 deputies do not vote and are considered non-partisan.
  • 650-8-4 – 638.
  • A majority is over half. Thus 638/2 + 1 = 320

If the speaker and deputies do count, then the majority is 322.

DUP was part of Theresa May’s fragile majority but will not be part of Johnson’s.

Tory Starting Point 270

  • Assume the Scottish National Party wipes out 13 Tory seats,
  • Assume the Liberal Democrats alliance works and that tips 6 more seats.
  • One seat from Plaid Cymru seems headed to the Tories.

The net result of those subtractions is 270. Thus the Tories need to pick up 52 seats just to have a bare majority. How likely is that?

Battle for the Soul of Great Britain

In Battle for the Soul of Great Britain I discussed London and Wales.

Today, YouGov released polls for every region. Let’s go over them all.

Regional Voting Intention Wales

Wales is divided into forty Parliamentary constituencies. After the General Election of June 2017 and a by-election in August 2019, 28 are represented by Labour MPs, 7 by Conservative MPs, 4 by Plaid Cymru MPs, and one by a Liberal Democrat MP.

On a 49-34 percentage lead in votes, Labour held a 28-7 seat advantage over the Tories.

Expect a Tory pickup of 8 seats.

North East – You Gov

Regional Voting Intention North East

The region of [North East England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_the_North_East_(region/%29) is divided into 29 parliamentary constituencies which is made up of 19 Borough Constituencies and 10 County Constituencies. Since the General Election of June 2017, 26 are represented by Labour MPs and 3 by Conservative MPs.

The Brexit Party could be a killer here. If they stood aside, I would expect the Tories to win about 16 seats. That’s a pickup of 13.

The latest poll suggests a pickup of about 6-9 seats for the Tory Party. Call it 6.

North West – You Gov

Regional Voting Intention North West

The region of [North West England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_the_North_West_(region/) is divided into 75 parliamentary constituencies

which is made up of 39 Borough Constituencies and 36 County Constituencies. Since the General Election of June 2017, 20 are represented by Conservative MPs, 54 by Labour MPs, and 1 by Liberal Democrat MPs.

With a 55-33 margin in favor of Labour over the Tories, the Tories managed 20 out of 75 seats.

The Tories are now leading 36-30. A pickup of 20 seats (40 Tory, 35 Other), seems reasonable.

The Brexit Party may cost additional pickups, but not as many as in the North East given the Tory majority.

Scotland Current MP Makeup

Regional Voting Intent Scotland

Labour will be wiped out in Scotland. With these numbers it is a bit unreasonable to expect a total blowout where conservatives lose every seat. Let’s assume they hold 4.

Regional Voting Intention Northshire and Humber

The region of [Yorkshire and the Humber](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_Yorkshire_and_the_Humber_(region/) is divided into 54 parliamentary constituencies which is made up of 25 Borough Constituencies and 29 County Constituencies. As of September 2019 17 are represented by Conservative MPs, 35 by Labour MPs, 1 Liberal Democrat MP and 1 Independent MP.

That makeup was with a 49-34 advantage of Labour over the Tories.

I suggest a Tory pickup of 15 or more. Call it 15.

Regional Voting Intention East Midlands

The region of [East Midlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_the_East_Midlands_(region/) is divided into 46 parliamentary constituencies which is made up of 12 Borough Constituencies and 34 County Constituencies. Since the General Election of June 2017, 31 are represented by Conservative MPs and 15 by Labour MPs.

With a 51-41 (10-point) lead, the Tories had a 31-15 seat advantage. The Tory lead is now 13 points.

Expect a pickup of 5-8 seats. Call it 6.

Regional Voting Intention West Midlands

The ceremonial county of [West Midlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_the_West_Midlands_(county/), England is divided into 28 parliamentary constituencies, each of which elect one Member of Parliament (MP) to the House of Commons.

Despite a 49-43 lead over Labour in 2017, Labour held 20 seats with the Tories 8.

With a 43-23 lead, expect a reversal. Tories +12.

Regional Voting Intention East of England

The region of [East of England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_the_East_of_England_(region/) is divided into 58 parliamentary constituencies which is made up of 16 Borough Constituencies and 42 County Constituencies. Since the General Election of June 2017, 50 are represented by Conservative MPs, 7 by Labour MPs, and 1 by Liberal Democrat MPs.

On a 55-33 vote in 2017, the Tories held 50 MPs with Labour only 7.

Assume a modest gain of 2 but with Labour losing a handful more to the Liberal Democrats.

Regional Voting Intention South East

The region of [South East](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parliamentary_constituencies_in_the_South_East_(region/) is divided into 84 parliamentary constituencies which is made up of 23 Borough Constituencies and 61 County Constituencies. 60 are represented by Conservative MPs, 11 by Independent MPs, 8 by Labour MPs, 3 by Liberal Democrat MPs, 1 by Green MPs and the Speaker of the House of Commons.

On a 54-29 vote percentage the Tories held 60 of 81 seats.

They rate to pick up 5-8. Call it +5. Labour rates to get smashed to 0-2 seats.

Regional Voting Intention Greater London

The region of Greater London, including the City of London, is divided into 73 parliamentary constituencies which are sub-classified as borough constituencies, affecting the type of electoral officer and level of expenses permitted. As of September 2019, 46 are represented by Labour MPs, 19 by Conservative MPs, 4 by Liberal Democrat MPs, 2 by The Independent Group for Change, and 2 are held by independents.

On a 55-33 voting lead (22 points) over the Tories, Labour held an edge in seats of 46-19.

The lead is now down to 10 points. Expect a Tory pickup 8 seats.

Regional Voting Intention South West

The region of South West England has, since the 2010 general election, 55 parliamentary constituencies which is made up of 15 Borough Constituencies and 40 County Constituencies. In the 2017 general election, the Conservatives remained, by far, the largest party with 47 seats, though losing three to Labour, who won 7, and one to the Liberal Democrats, who won 1.

On a 51-29 lead in votes (22 points) the Tories held a seat advantage over Labour by a 47-7 margin. The lead is now down to 20 not over Labour, but over the Liberal Democrats.

This is another region in which the Brexit Party might hurt the Tories significantly.

I expect a loss of about 5 seats but also with Labour getting clobbered by the Liberal Democrats.

Expected Gains vs Starting Scenario

  • London: +8
  • Wales: +8
  • North East: +6
  • North West: +20
  • Scotland: +4
  • Yorkshire and Humber: +15
  • East Midlands: +6
  • West Midlands: +12
  • East of England: +2
  • South East: +5
  • South West: -5

That is a total of +81 seats.

Allowing 8 Sin Fein candidates who will not sit, plus the nonvoting speaker and three deputies, the parliament effective size is 638 as explained above, making the majority 320.

From the starting point of 270, the Tories are up to 351 by my estimation. That’s a surplus of 31 over the required 320.

If so, the Tory majority based on current polls would be 351 – 287 = 64.

That’s a very conservative number actually.

On the same polls Electoral Calculus said “Current Prediction: Conservative majority 96”.

Electoral Calculus gave the Tories 373 seats, I estimated only 351, a huge 22 seats more cautious.

The above charts from the Nov 8 YouGov article Regional voting intentions show both main parties down everywhere, with Labour hit particularly hard.

Two Caveats

  1. All of the polls are from one source: You Gov
  2. Most of the polls are a bit out of date, but not radically so.

Best Case Scenario

The best case scenario could easily be above 351.

Let’s assume YouGov is way off, possibly even low.

Expected Gains Range vs Starting Scenario

  • London: +5 to +10.
  • Wales: +6 to +10.
  • North East: +3 to +8.
  • North West: +15 to +22.
  • Scotland: +0 to +6.
  • Yorkshire and Humber: +10 to +20.
  • East Midlands: +3 to +9.
  • West Midlands: +9 to +16.
  • East of England: +0 to +4.
  • South East: +3 to +7.
  • South West: -7 to +0.

Expected Range

  1. 37 + 270 = 307.
  2. 112 +270 = 382.

The first is a hung parliament.

The second is the mother of all blowouts.

And it is not all that unlikely.

Note that Electoral Calculus expects 373 seats. My blowout number is just 9 seats more that the Electoral Calculus base assumption.

Probabilities Based on Current Polls

  • Outright Labour Win: 2%
  • Hung Parliament: 23%
  • Small Majority (by 1-6 seats): 15%
  • Medium Majority (by 7-20 seats): 25%
  • Big Majority (by 21-40 seats): 20%
  • Blowout (over 40 seats): 15%

Divide and Concur

If these polls are remotely close, and I believe they are, Johnson’s strategy of splitting Labour and the Liberal democrats is working precisely as planned.

Mike “Mish” Shedlock

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JustASimpleMan
JustASimpleMan
4 years ago

The Deed Is Done!

Farage just announced they will stand down candidates in 300+ Tory seats to concentrate on Labour and remainer party seats.

Expect a pro-Brexit majority in the House, with a significant rump of Brexit Party and Tory Spartans agitating for a WTO trade arrangement and no extended transition period. Game on.

.

JustASimpleMan
JustASimpleMan
4 years ago

One small factor that might make a difference at the margin – Sinn Fein announced that they are going to stand aside in 3 of their 7 seats for a remain favouring candidate (likely SDLP). The SDLP will also stand aside in 3 seats to maybe give SF a chance against sitting DUPs.

Net result – 3 remain seats will now turn up in parliament and there may be up to 3 fewer DUP MPs to suck it up and accept any sort of deal or to oppose revocation / 2nd referendum.

Apologies if someone already said this. I lost the will to live reading the rambling thoughts of Avid and Brexitologist and skipped a lot.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

Tory & Labour election campaign shenanigans.

What if forecasts are wrong yet again and both Labour AND Tories lose badly ?
Are voters that dumb ?

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

” Brexit is an uncanny political process because it is an inversion of the way things were supposed to go “

” Until recently, it was possible to believe that there was a middle way… That´s no longer the case “

Bagger
Bagger
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

Why do you keep posting stuff that is out of date? That letter was written 25th October.
Would you like to comment on today’s stories suggesting Nigel is now trying back down from his 600 candidates pledge? Or maybe give a clue as to why he pulled out of this morning’s Sophie Ridge interview on Sky? Or maybe give us your reasoning behind backing a Party that has stated it won’t be producing a manifesto?
I suggest Brexitologist keeps an open mind until this Thursday afternoon – deadline for candidate nominations. My guess is that Brexit Party will field fewer than 100 candidates

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Bagger

@Bagger I´ll try my very best to keep up with all your assignments… if family life allows me to. As we speak, I´m right now struggling for keyboard control with my very bright grandson. It´s Sunday after all, and Brexit debate can´t help us solve that, can it ?

Regarding this “old” New Yorker article (not) very recently published in the November 4 issue which many millions of high-income and influential individuals most probably have not had the privilige to read yet (as you have)I´d say that besides all of my familiarity with things Brexit it still allowed for definite insight and perspective.

Furthermore, as you say, it´d be only by this coming Thursday afternoon that we´ll know more significant Brexit news per the deadline for candidate nominations. So, till then, let´s just digest what we´ve got before us and enjoy the weekend as we surely deserve.

Kind regards for you and your family @Bagger

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Bagger

@Bagger I´m hereby turning in my first search assignment as per EXPRESS which contradicts what you state above in that Nigel Farage has clearly warned that if no pact is reached between Tories and True Brexiteers his party will field candidates in EVERY seat in England, Wales and Scotland.

Most unfortunately this blog does not accept the EXPRESS link despite the fact that I´ve posted it repeatedly. The title is ” Brexit AT RISK: Farage warns Boris he has 4 days to save Britain “. Please Google it.

Bagger
Bagger
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

Depends if you believe Express or Mail (or probably neither).
Mail link – hopefully link to dailymail.co.uk
We will find out Thursday.

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  Bagger

I am sure everyone on this blog always believes absolutely everything they read in the Express and Daily Mail. About as much as the Beano.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

@Bagger
Further to my weekend homework assignments please note the enormous bias from CNN which, led by Obama himself (foreign meddling maybe ?), in 2016 persistently insisted that Britons should vote “Remain”.

Per CNN the Brexit Party either does not exist or does not oppose Brexit. CNN should regret this yet again.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

@liberty lady yes, this would be a matter between N.I. and the UK, with OVERSIGHT from the EU and the ECJ which would at all times demand compliance of Bojo´s new EU Treaty proposal. So there´ll be (high ?) friction from the get go with “geographic indicators” leading the way. If interested or affected (surely you are) by the above please look into it ASAP.

Customs control (and customs fees collection) can be one huge problem between countries. And this is what the Irish Sea border is doing, i.e., in practice now considering N.I. as a different country from the UK.

Basically, this is the pound of flesh that the EU always wanted to just keep on talking about Brexit. Do no rule out civil unrest and physical violence with this highly contentious arrangement which very understandably the DUP abhors. No one ever voted for England, Scotland and Wales to leave the EU while Northern Ireland stayed part of the bloc.

liberty lady
liberty lady
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

If I were Boris I would simply ignore it / refuse. All this nonsense could be avoided if governments would only get out of the way and allow free trade, with a massive cost saving from ridiculous levels of bureaucracy.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

Sorry to tell you @[liberty lady] Boris cannot “ignore it” let alone “refuse” unless the UK military is also willing to engage in armed conflict with the EU

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

liberty lady
liberty lady
4 years ago

I have a question regarding the need for customs checks in the Irish Sea. While they may (or may not) be part of a deal with the EU, what mechanism exists to enforce them? Is this not in practice a matter between N Ireland and the rest of the UK?

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

You have to accept that customs checks between the N Ireland and UK are part of the deal with the EU. There are no ifs and buts and are to be overseen by EU institutions. Read the proposed treaty. Your suggestion that the liar should ignore parts of the deal with the EU, whilst being in complete conformity with his character, would show him to be a faithless hoodlum. By suggesting this you also show yourself as a quite dishonourable person.

liberty lady
liberty lady
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

Lol and the EU is full of honourable politicians. I do find it somewhat disingenuous that you call Boris a ‘liar’ and yet choose to ignore the disreputable behaviour of those you are philosophically aligned with. The EU have a long tradition of choosing to selectively ignore their own rules, with Germany being the worst offender.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

You have shown yourself to be a person who would make a deal knowing full well that you intended to renege on that deal. If you want to see what a disingenuous person is like, look in a mirror.

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

The EU have a long tradition of choosing to selectively ignore their own rules, with Germany being the worst offender.
——————
Absolutely correct. That is the only reason they survive. One day they will run out of rules to break.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

What EU directives do the Germans ignore?

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  avidremainer

There you are cocker. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it. Next!

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

Usual Tosh from the disingenuous. This has been debunked so many times.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

You were asked what rules the Germans ignore. You come back with a list of EU Commission investigations into German implementations of EU directives. The ECJ will rule on the validity of the claims. You said the Germans ignore EU rules. Back that up or retract.

liberty lady
liberty lady
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

Actually @avidremainer, you are wrong. I would never willing make a deal with any nation that seeks to suppress the sovereignty of another. As far as I am concerned the UK did not sign up to the corrupt and oppressive regime the EU has since become, with all of its anti democratic overreach into the sovereign affairs of others. Integrity and honour are not words that spring to mind as far as they are concerned. But I would rather not resort to name calling.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

Since you advocate double dealing I doubt anyone would deal with you.

liberty lady
liberty lady
4 years ago
Reply to  liberty lady

Take your pick. A simple search of ‘EU breaks it own rules’ generates a lengthy list. Germany seems to be the worst culprit. Not forgetting Junkers comments ‘when the going gets tough you have to lie.’ Obviously a man of strong moral integrity.

I’m not trying to pick a fight with you. I respect your views are not on the same political spectrum. But I do get irritated by one side always claiming the intellectual and moral high ground in this debate.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

Mish,

The Lib Dems have a very precise message and high quality candidates, same as The Brexit Party plus their very own excellent campaign deployment capabilities.

In turn, the Tories with Bojo as cheer leader, have made front-page with blunders, nothing else. And voters haven´t yet had enough time to become aware that Bojo´s NON-“deal” won´t get anything “done”, let alone Brexit.

Yet you say you were “very cautious calculating (Tory) seat gains”.

But we are still a long month away from election day, aren´t we ?
In 2017 Theresa May also counted the chickens before the eggs hatched.

And you only took into account rather oldish poll data exclusively from one source: You Gov.

So, I mean, as intellectually attractive as this excercise might sound, because of reasons stated before it can also be interpreted as Tory propaganda no ?

In a nutshell, I´d say that at this early stage qualitative analysis is valid. But quantitative analysis with highly perishable data is not.

Moody´s Report said that ” even if a deal were struck with the European Union over Brexit, uncertainty over the future of trade is unlikely to diminish ” .

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

Yougov was founded by two Tory boys.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  avidremainer

Aha, good info there @avidremainer !

This bias would make You Gov data yet more invalid.
Besides, whoever supplies the data, one full month away from election day IMHO all of this precise quantitative analysis is worthless.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

I gave two caveats

  1. YouGov
  2. Staleness of polls

I also stated how far away the election was.

You assume something in the polls will change

I make no assumptions – change can be bid or small in either direction

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

Mish, UK GEs are not like US elections. What happens is that the 1st week counts but not immediately. Nobody is bothered but we politics nerds. 8 out of 10 people couldn’t name the Chancellor of the Exchequer. What you have to look out for is what is on the front pages and the morning TV and radio shows. Then you have to find out what is going viral on social media, and which party started it. Then it is the polls. The effect of the liar in N. Ireland will start to register in the polls in about two weeks. The conservatives have given the opposition parties so much. By the way have you seen the liar in Ulster yet? What do you think?

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago

What are the odds that @[Country Bob] will even read this post much less understand it ?

Mish
Mish
4 years ago

Electoral Calculus expects 373 seats on this set of polls.

I came up with 351.

My blowout best possible (based on current polls) number is just 9 seats more that the EC base assumption.

I was very cautious calculating seat gains. Way more so than EC.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago

A couple people noted my mathematical error in factoring a majority. Thanks!

I made this correction.

Allowing 8 Sin Fein candidates who will not sit, plus the nonvoting speaker and three deputies, the parliament effective size is 638 as explained above, making the majority 320.

From the starting point of 270, the Tories are up to 351 by my estimation. That’s a surplus of 31 over the required 320.

If so, the Tory majority based on current polls would be 351 – 287 = 64.

That’s a conservative number actually. On the same polls Electoral Calculus said “Current Prediction: Conservative majority 96”.

Electoral Calculus gave the Tories 373 seats, I estimated only 351, a huge 22 seats more cautious.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

OKay, touché, sorry for that.

Fact check: Mish said that the probability of a “hung” Parliament was 23%, not 0 (zero) as I mention above.

Labour would be getting 2% (!)

I admit making a mistake (my apologies Mish) but allow me to add that I was definetly influenced by his adamant calculations of Bojo´s sure win (75%) with still one full month till Dec. 12 and with the not unlikely possibility of the “Mother of All Blowouts”.

Rupert DeBare
Rupert DeBare
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

Forgive my denseness, but I can’t see where you get the “75%” probability of a Tory win. I mean, if I ask 100 people how high they rate the chance of a Tory win, and the average rating is 20%, and I then ask the same people how high the chance of a landslide Tory win, and the average rating is 5%, this would not imply that their probability estimate of a Tory win is now 25%, surely? But isn’t that the method you’ve used to arrive at your 75% figure?
Or maybe I’m just too tired to understand tonight, and I’ll see my error tomorrow…

Mish
Mish
4 years ago

It is damn idiotic to propose a 100% chance of a hung parliament.
Any by the way I did not propose 0%.
In fact, I explicitly estimated it to be 23%. Some people cannot read.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

Is the answer to Mish´s question 0 (zero) or 100% ?

Mish posits with his analysis and number crunching that the odds of the UK getting a “hung” Parliament is 0 (zero) as Bojo-led Tories would gain a comfortable lead after the Dec. 12 elections.

My take is exactly the opposite. The chances of the UK getting a “hung” Parliament are 100% with no workable majority along Brexit (or non-Brexit) lines. Dejá vu, back to square one, Brexit rewind.

djwebb1969
djwebb1969
4 years ago

Mish, 351 is not a majority of 31, even though it exceeds 320 by 31. The reason is the opposition are correspondingly reduced. In fact, if you way there are 638 functioning MPs, and the Tories win 351, then the opposition win 287, which is a majority of 64.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

@djwebb1969, guys, Mish…

In every ELECTION candidates and issues DO matter !!
It´s political campaigning 101…

Parties, yes, they do matter UNLESS the party has got the issue wrong and/or the candidate is bad.

Think Corbyn (bad candidate) and Labour´s undefinable messy proposal (wrong)
Think Boris (terrible candidate) and his yet-to-be-revealed NON-“deal” plain lies (wrong)

If you offer lemonade, it better taste like fresh lemons, NOT stale tomatoes.

Jo is a good candidate and has got the issue right on the mark.
I´m not so sure about the Lib Dems campaigning capabilities + effectiveness though. She´ll still do well with Remainers, I guess.

Same goes for Farage and his Brexit clean-cut proposal, then negotiate Free Trade deal from OUTSIDE of the EU but always crashing out first. Brexit Party knows lots about campaigning. Farage is an excellent candidate and will do very well with Leavers.

Theresa May learned the hard way that in the UK opinion polls a month before election day are literally worthless.

Brexit fatigue may have some/many vote for Bojo with a terrible backlash for Tories in late 2020. Brexit is alive and kicking, not dead.

Corbyn´s cumbersome NON-solution (as “perfect” as it may sound) will cost him dearly.

Quatloo
Quatloo
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

I think you are spot on here. But those who are unwilling to compromise in politics rarely get satisfaction.

Teresa May’s Brexit plan was not an exit, I think we agree on that. I also think we agree that a hard Brexit would be best. However, BoJo’s deal represents an actual exit; it is not perfect, and much depends on how hard the government pushes to complete the separation. But it regains sovereignty, and cannot be reversed. Plus, if BoJo gets a large enough majority a hard Brexit is still possible. The chance Farage will be PM is nil; he is to be admired for what he has accomplished, but he is not the one to lead the UK out of the EU.

You can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometimes you might find, you get what you need.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

@djwebb1969, guys, Mish…

In every ELECTION candidates and issues DO matter !!
It´s political campaigning 101…

Parties, yes, many times they also matter UNLESS the party has got the issue wrong and/or the candidate is bad.

The UK is now suffering from deep Brexit fatigue.
Think Corbyn (bad candidate) and Labour´s undefinable messy proposal (wrong)
Think Boris (terrible candidate) and his not-yet-revealed NON-“deal” plain lies (wrong)

If you offer lemonade, it better taste like fresh lemons, NOT stale tomatoes.

Jo is a good candidate and has got the issue right on the mark.
I´m not so sure about the Lib Dems campaigning capabilities + effectiveness though. She´ll still do well with Remainers, I guess.

Same goes for Farage and his Brexit clean-cut proposal, then negotiate Free Trade deal from OUTSIDE of the EU but always crashing out first. Brexit Party knows lots about good, effective campaigning. Farage is an excellent candidate and will do very well with Leavers.

Theresa May learned the hard way that in the UK opinion polls a month before election day are literally worthless.

Brexit fatigue may have some/many vote for Bojo with a terrible backlash for Tories in 2020 when the UK finds out it has NOT left the EU with high prices to be paid all around as @djwebb1969 indicates above.

Corbyn´s cumbersome NON-solution (as “perfect” as it may sound) will cost him dearly.

@djwebb1969 sorry to disagree with you.

Brexit is NOT dead and will bite everybody´s tail if the Brexit Party does not prevail.

djwebb1969
djwebb1969
4 years ago

I think we just have to accept that Brexit is dead and that Johnson has delivered the death blow. The Conservatives will win a majority and then agree a degree of alignment of regulations (environmental, social and others), taxation, fisheries, defence affairs with the EU similar to what Theresa May was proposing. It is absurd to expect Johnson to do anything else. The deadline will be extended to 2022, with Britain paying £59bn. Northern Ireland is being prepared for a referendum to get rid of it and hand it over the EU. The UK will be permanently subject to ECJ rulings in many areas. But there is the possibility of agreeing lower tariffs with the US, China and others — the resulting trade pact will be underwhelming, as regulatory alignment with the EU will ensure the “capture” of large parts of the UK market for the EU. This is no Brexit. Brexit is dead. But then you don’t always get what you want in life. Only a scoundrel would vote for Johnson – no patriot could. I don’t expect I will vote for anyone in this election or in any other.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  djwebb1969

It is romantic of me to say it but election day is the only day when everyone is equal. A vote is a precious thing and should be used.

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  djwebb1969

I fear and suspect you are right djwebb. Barring the mother of all upsets. But the fat lady hasn’t sung yet, so I will hang on with a glimmer of hope until the bitter end. If what you say proves to be correct – well, Colombia might prove to be an attractive alternative for the twighlight of my life.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

Have you ever been to Colombia?

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  avidremainer

Yes

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

Then you know that to compare the UK with Colombia is a tad of an exaggeration that doesn’t work. The first time I went there I presented my credentials to the person I thought was the receptionist at the British Embassy and was rushed through to the other side. The first thing I noticed was the sawn-off shotgun on the “receptionists” lap. Colombia is one of the scariest place on earth. The security briefing was something else and it was a long time after I came home that I stopped following it. Sometimes being flippant does not serve a purpose.

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  avidremainer

Thanks Avid. I will share that story with my family (who have lived out there for years).

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  djwebb1969

@HenryV you sound like a nice guy.
Please don´t go, let alone move into… Colombia…

AndrewUK
AndrewUK
4 years ago
Reply to  djwebb1969

@djwebb1969. I regret to say that I think Brexit is probably now dead. The anti-democratic and authoritarian forces of ‘Remain’ have won a very nasty rear guard action to destroy it. Unfortunately this will legitimise political violence, civil disobedience and revolution. The question was asked and the answer was given, but the Remainiacs would not accept that answer

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  AndrewUK

No. There will be no political violence, civil disobedience and revolution. Not in this country anyway. We will just accept it meekly, quietly and apologetically. Some might feel aggrieved, but there will be little dissent and nothing organised. Its the English way. But when the cocky, cheekily little sh**weasels from the EU blindly push their luck just that little bit too far in France, or Germany, or even Hungary as surely they will one day … better look out!

djwebb1969
djwebb1969
4 years ago
Reply to  AndrewUK

I agree apart from your opposition to civil unrest. I suppose you think we should just roll over and take it.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago

By now you should all have seen the liar’s performance in Northern Ireland where he attempts to explain his deal to Irish businessmen/women. If you haven’t seen it Brexitologist provides a link in Mish’s previous post on this topic. You must see it because it shows the liar at his worst. The liar states that there will be no border down the Irish sea, no customs checks, and no levying of customs duties or VAT of on goods going GB-Northern Ireland. This is either a flat lie, or the liar doesn’t understand his own deal or he is attempting to fool the EU. You do not have to take my word for it. You can see for yourself. In the report he looks drunk-even though we are told he was drinking water, he rambles and is at best incoherent. Watch him in action and weep for the consequences for this puffed up sick bag and the Tories. When you have seen it watch Kay Burley empty chair James [not so] Cleverly on SKY news, Sky news for god’s sake, and come back and tell me that the liar is a better campaigner than May. I will not be getting a room with Brexitologist, thank you Quatloo, but doesn’t it worry any of you that two people with such opposite views on Brexit come to the same conclusion; that the current PM of our country is a charlatan?

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  avidremainer

The link of mine you referenced @avidremainer can also be found immediately just above your post. I agree it´s a gem which proves that rambling Bojo is his worst own enemy.

And, BTW, we can surely share a room @avidremainer (why not ? I don´t snore, do you ?) but separate beds please and I´ll let you always shower first okay ?

High five @avidremainer, I feel we mutually respect our Brexit positions and that´s good.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

Done.

Rupert DeBare
Rupert DeBare
4 years ago
Reply to  avidremainer

This is crude character assassination. The BBC report of this event offers the nuance that you omit, and has the added advantage of fairness.

avidremainer
avidremainer
4 years ago
Reply to  Rupert DeBare

Does he understand his deal or not? Is he lying or not? Is he trying to fool the EU or not? The liar to no character to assassinate, he did it all on his own.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

” Do or DRY ? “

Bojo the half-clown half-gambler half-liar has claimed he has given up booze until Brexit is “done”.

Nigel Farage replied shooting from the hip: ” Hell no, I won´t be giving up the booze until Brexit is done because under the Boris plan that will be many years at best.”

Will enough voters realize the above by election day ?

Cuz therein lies the result. It all depends on whether voters become aware soon enough that Bojo´s NON-“deal” won´t get anything “done”, let alone Brexit.

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Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

” Do or DRY ? “

Bojo the half-clown half-gambler half-liar has claimed he has given up booze until Brexit is “done”.

Nigel Farage has replied ” Hell no, I won´t be giving up booze until Brexit is “done” because under the Boris plan that will be many years at best ! “

By when will UK voters realize the above ?
Cuz therein lies the result: voters becoming aware of Bojo´s NON-“deal” which will not get anything done, let alone Brexit.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago

Will this nitty gritty, convoluted, utterly premature analysis be anywhere near reality on that cold dark short day in December… closer to hell than to Christmas ?

This is first week NOVEMBER not the day before the election.
Bojo´s foot-in-mouth comments á la Joe Biden can mean a make-it-or-break-it moment for him and the Tories. Jacob Rees Mogg has been working hard at it this very week.

What about weather-event impact ?
Will young people have the willingness, stamina and civil-duty awareness to go vote thru a blizzard as their elders would come rain or shine with a “do or die” and “no ifs or buts” attitude ?

Do not underestimate the gray-hair brigade. They out-number their perceived enemy and still hold a vivid recollection of German politics and WW2.

If very recent history is any guide, the 2017 election forecasts missed target figures by a looooongshot. Skeptics please ask Theresa May.

What about “silent” social media campaigns, live events, and word of mouth, impact of which opinion polls can´t measure ?

The British electorate has barely been exposed to specific candidates which DO matter much. Bojo is a very poor candidate and his own worst enemy. Debates haven´t begun. Partisan argumentation has barely started and Bojo´s “deal” half-lies haven´t yet sinked in. Even the EU plays a role

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

… ” the Brexit Party is polling as high as 19 per cent in some regions… “

HenryV
HenryV
4 years ago
Reply to  Brexitologist

As one of our Prime Ministers once said “If it isn’t hurting, it isn’t working”. But unless this is all a setup (which has been suggested elsewhere on this blog, and which I very much doubt), I am sure we are both agreed its a real shame its come to the BPL running against the Tories on a matter of this gravity.

Brexitologist
Brexitologist
4 years ago
Reply to  HenryV

@HenryV… Or as Cervantes says in his glorious Don Quixote (impersonated by Nigel Farage maybe ?)

“ The dogs bark because we gallop ”

Bastiat
Bastiat
4 years ago

One correction: Edinburgh South Labour MP is extremely likely to keep his seat. So it’s not a total Labour wipeout in Scotland.

Bagger
Bagger
4 years ago

Love the article. One slight correction. 351 seats would give a majority of 31 × 2 = 62 since all opposition seats would total 289.

Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago

That’s a deep dive down the UK elections rabbit hole, excellent analysis! Knowing how corp media tends to poll slightly left this might be the mother of all blowouts!

Heffaklump
Heffaklump
4 years ago

Excellent write-up. Really fun that the best election coverage of UK elections comes from Illinois. Btw, small error for West Midlands, 49-23, should be 49-43.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Heffaklump

Thanks – I believe it is fixed

Quatloo
Quatloo
4 years ago

Johnson is the only candidate who has cross-party support. He was elected Mayor of London as a conservative!

I am really looking forward to the debates; Teresa May didn’t even show up. Boris will dominate.

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