US Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda, Who’s Next?

US State Department conflates claims with evidence. Image clip from C-SPAN video. 

The Associated Press reports US Accuses Financial Website of Spreading Russian Propaganda.

Bloomberg reports U.S. Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda

U.S. intelligence officials on Tuesday accused a conservative financial news website with a significant American readership of amplifying Kremlin propaganda and alleged five media outlets targeting Ukrainians have taken direction from Russian spies.

The officials said Zero Hedge, which has 1.2 million Twitter followers, published articles created by Moscow-controlled media that were then shared by outlets and people unaware of their nexus to Russian intelligence. The officials did not say whether they thought Zero Hedge knew of any links to spy agencies and did not allege direct links between the website and Russia.

The officials briefed The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence sources. It was the latest effort by President Joe Biden’s administration to release U.S. intelligence findings about Russian activity involving Ukraine as part of a concerted push to expose and influence the moves of Russian President Vladimir Putin. 

US Intelligence Failures

Intelligence agencies feel the need to sling arrows at Zero Hedge anonymously. What a hoot. 

It’s no wonder people turn to Zero Hedge looking at the unbelievable garbage coming from the US state department time and time again.

Does anyone recall the lies that kicked off the Vietnam War? 

What about general Colin Powell making an outright ass of himself in from of the UN regarding alleged weapons of mass destruction of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. 

Colin Powell’s U.N. Speech 

Colin Powell says U.N. Speech “Was a Great Intelligence Failure”

Powell has called his 2003 speech to the United Nations, laying out the Bush administration’s rationale for war in Iraq, a “blot” on his record. 

The article does not even mention the laughable evidence Powell presented to the UN. If anything, the article was an attempt at whitewashing his role in the war.

Powell claims he tried to talk Bush out of it. But if Powell had any integrity, he would have resigned. 

No Reason to Believe the US State Department

There is no reason anyone should have faith in what the US State Department says.

If anything, some of it is so preposterous you would be wise to discount everything they say.

Here is a video clip in point from a few days ago.

US State Department: “One possible option the Russians are considering, and which we made public today, involves the production of a propaganda video – a video with graphic scenes of false explosions depicting corpses, crisis actors, mourners, and images of destroyed locations, entirely fabricated.”

Reporter This is Alex Jones Territory. What evidence do you have that there is some propaganda film in the making?

Please play the video, at least the first five minutes fore the claim and the reporter’s questions.

The only evidence the state department presented was its declassified claim. The state department took a claim, declassified the claim, then labeled it as evidence. 

Propaganda Wars

On February 13, I commented The Difficultly in Untangling Ukraine Propaganda Means We Have More of It

I repeat what I said then.

Boy Screams Wolf

We’ve seen this “Boy Screams Wolf” movie before, many times: Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, Libya, and of course Russia allegedly costing Hillary the 2016 election.

This time the US state department wants us to believe Russia is creating “a video with graphic scenes of false explosions depicting corpses, crisis actors, mourners, and images of destroyed locations, entirely fabricated.”

Will Russia invade? It’s possible, but color me more than a bit skeptical. 

Regardless, the US State Department hype is more than a bit over the top and grounds for huge skepticism in and of itself. 

Groundhog Day

Russia Says Some Troops Pulling Back From Ukraine Border 

Today the WSJ reports Russia Says Some Troops Pulling Back From Ukraine Border as NATO Hopes for Diplomacy

Meanwhile, the state department repeated for the nth time war may be imminent.

Favorite Line 

My favorite line in so many news stories of the past 5 years is “according to anonymous sources with close ties to the U.S. intelligence community.”

Now We’ve Done It: We Pissed Off The CIA

Zero Hedge replies Now We’ve Done It: We Pissed Off The CIA Emphasis His. 

Echoing a false allegation we have repeatedly heard before, “U.S. intelligence officials on Tuesday accused a conservative financial news website with a significant American readership of amplifying Kremlin propaganda and alleged five media outlets targeting Ukrainians have taken direction from Russian spies. The officials said Zero Hedge, which has 1.2 million Twitter followers, published articles created by Moscow-controlled media that were then shared by outlets and people unaware of their nexus to Russian intelligence.”

Well, now we’ve done it – we’ve angered the CIA, and for what? For publishing views that challenge the conventional narrative, such as disputing that an invasion of Ukraine is actually “imminent” as the US State Department and its mainstream media conduits repeat day after day, or that the Covid virus was actually created in a Chinese lab, a view which has gained substantial prominence in recent months after it emerged that none other than the UK’s Jeremy Farrar (also known as the UK’s Doctor Fauci) played a pivotal role in stifling suggestions that this new virus might have come from a laboratory rather than emerged through natural zoonotic transmission from animals.

Of course, there is no actual accusation that Zero Hedge works directly with anyone tied to Russia or its intelligence apparatus – as the AP admits “officials did not say whether they thought Zero Hedge knew of any links to spy agencies and did not allege direct links between the website and Russia”, which is correct because – and we will repeat this once again for the record and for all future similar hit piece attempts to smear us – this website has never worked, collaborated or cooperated with Russia, nor are there any links to spy (or any other) agencies; instead all the AP notes, citing some unnamed “intelligence official”, is that the US intelligence apparatus is unhappy that among our hundreds of guest publishing contributors is a website called Strategic Culture Foundation which US intel officials “allege” take direction from the SVR, the Russian foreign intelligence service.

Well, is the Strategic Culture Foundation – which periodically guest posts on this website along with hundreds of other sources of alternative information – taking direction from Russian intel?

We don’t know, and we don’t care: instead what we have cared about since our first day, is to provide a platform, a voice to anyone who has a unique, a different, perspective from the one pushed by the mainstream media. 

What is remarkable is that in its bizarre hit piece attempt to silence us, the “deep state” has pulled out the same trite and discredited Russiagate conspiracy theory whose popularity crashed and burned long ago, yet which paradoxically still makes an appearance now and then in hopes of appeasing its few remaining “lowest-common denominator” readers, which still fall for the real hoaxes… such as weapons of mass destruction, or that Putin is invading Ukraine tomorrow, or that Democrats did not spy on Trump.

Suggestion for the US State Department

There is no reason for anyone to believe the US State Department. History shows the CIA is committed to spreading more wars and more terror.

Moreover, it’s entirely believable the Biden administration purposely hyped up war for the express purpose of taking credit for stellar diplomacy to stop it. 

I am not stating that’s what’s happening, but in light of current events one would be a fool to discount it. 

This is not the same as believing Russia. They are all a pack of liars.

Meanwhile, if the US State Department wants to be taken seriously I have a suggestion for them: Stop your own damn propaganda and warmongering first

At the very least, stop presenting Alex Jones type theories as direct evidence or you look as foolish as Colin Powell making a WOMD case to the UN he did not even believe in. 

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Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
2 years ago
You were flat out wrong here Mish. You look like a fool over this.I want you to know that there are people out here who noticed.
Gray
Gray
2 years ago
Respectfully, Zerohedge has displayed irrational radical perspectives for 2-3 years as we readers can attest. It was obvious that he had drunk the orange koolaid. I have no problem reading from someone who has a political stance. I do not feel it should derail his economic acumen though. Sadly, it has. You can lump yourself with him when you stop thinking for yourself and start pushing others agendas.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Gray
Say random internet poster who comes out of nowhere to issue his first post here.  Is this how the CIA works?
ohno
ohno
2 years ago
What’s next: excuses to censor everyone except the state dept themselves!
Who remembers when covid first came out and all we seen were bodies covered up and violently shaking to their deaths, images of overseas hospitals played off like it was the US, hospital ships sailing for nyc, etc! And now they are worried we don’t trust them.  I’m pretty sure I went to bed a few years ago and woke up in this hellhole.
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Zero Hedge has been a criminal enterprise for quite some time. I used to go there to get alternative points of view but now it is nonstop Russian propaganda. Hang them for treason!
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Can you provide an example of their Russian propaganda?
ohno
ohno
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Lol! The state dept. is here!
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Agree. Zerohedge had credibility back in 2000s. Once they relocated their servers to a country controlled by Russia the handwriting was on the wall. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
FWIW, it isn’t just zerohedge. The entire internet is full of propaganda. This is why there are people that believe the earth is flat. 
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
earth is flat and we never landed man on moon.   no way.   and ronald raygun was a conservate,  not a con man actor selling BS.   and donald is more righteous than baby jesus.  
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Moreover, it’s entirely believable the Biden administration purposely hyped up war for the express purpose of taking credit for stellar diplomacy to stop it. 
Not really. You can see satellite data on how Russia has surrounded Ukraine. We no longer live in a world where data is not verifiable. Putin is using it as negotiating tactic. IMO, the US should pre-emptively cut off the Russian economy and Putin along with an airstrike on the NordStream 2 pipeline to let Germany know that we aren’t joking around. What Putin is engaging in must be dealt with not by reacting but by doing things to get him to back down now. There should be no negotiating with an autocrat like Putin. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
You obviously work for either the state department or CIA. Stop this absurd pretense of being a business man.
Why do you think Europe is not buying into this nonsense? And if Russia was really going to invade Ukraine, why would they sign an energy deal  with China that settles in Euros? Seems strange they would pick the currency of an entity they were about to invade.
This is our last ditch effort trying to hold NATO together. Germany is going to ally with Russia and once that happens, NATO is dead and we lose any and all control over Eurasia. And the State Department will be laying people off. Time to brush up your resume.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Nope. I came from a country that was aligned with the Soviet Union.  The Ukraine or any other country doesn’t need to go back to that world . Allowing countries like Russia and China into the global organizations like the WTO and UN and G20 was the biggest mistake the west made. We should have not trusted Putin from the beginning. His aims have been apparent since the moment he was ‘elected’. Countries like Russia and China that don’t have free and fair elections or free societies at a baseline are still on the wrong side of history.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Also FWIW I work in the private sector as I’ve stayed many times that has very little business with any government.  Europe does not want this flirtation with Russia anymore.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Sorry, but talk of initiating WWIII is insane. Eventually it may start anyway, making the first strike? Really?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Striking Nordstream 2 in Europe wouldn’t start a war with anyone. Putin can be dealt with  now or later but he will have to be dealt with.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Why are WE involved in this regional fight?  Ukraine isn’t our problem and we shouldn’t be making it our problem.  They want to be an independent country?  Then let them fight their own battles.  
I’m thinking that there is a lot more Hunter and Joe Biden dirt in Ukraine that he doesn’t want to see released, and which will be if Putin rolls in.  There is no other realist explanation for the almost desperate refusal of the USA government to listen to the request of the the Ukraine president and stop spreading FUD.
SmokeyIX
SmokeyIX
2 years ago
There are way too many seriously paranoid people out there.  In the early 2000s, you (or at least I) couldn’t weigh in on the folly of the wars without being accused of being a member of both al Qaeda and Hezbollah.  Now the replies are “Yer obviously a Russian communist.” I’ve been called a Russian twice just this week.  No wonder Americans are so easily led to war with that level of mass paranoia.  It absolutely is a psychosis. 
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Reply to  SmokeyIX
How are things at the troll farm in St. Petersburg? 
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
“US Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda”
it is called projection. Accusing someone else of doing what they themselves are doing.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
2 years ago
And meanwhile, in the real world, your standard of living continues its relentless decline.
dmartin
dmartin
2 years ago
Kinda resembles all the bs human rights abuses being sprouted by our government about China…despite our own state dept attorneys saying there is not enough evidence…..but if all you ever read is western media and nothing else how will you get ever a comprehensive understanding? There is always 2 sides of a story and one must be informed despite the source if your going to make intelligent investment decisions in my opinion
BDR45
BDR45
2 years ago
And Mish, thanks for your bravery and ethical behavior in speaking out the truth.
BDR45
BDR45
2 years ago
I have absolutely no confidence in our so called “government”. They have become serial liars and killers.  Putin is, by far a more serious and brilliant leader of his country than any one in the US government. Putin has already won this round. All he had to do was sit back and watch the US government blunder stupidly, as usual.  Clowns, fools, manipulators, serial killers and psychopaths are running the US into the ground.
dpy
dpy
2 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
I venture that your observation “They have become serial liars and killers”, which implies that government in the past did not issued biased reports, is not accurate.  I remember teary and breathless stories about babies and incubators.  Stories about made-up stories preceeding all wars can be found.  I venture that any news released from government should be suspect.  The job of those releasing the news is to manipulate that public whether it be their actions or opinions.
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
Another Russian troll. Yes the whole world loves Comrade Putin!
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
If a government agency or major news outlet accuses anyone or anything of spreading disinformation, it’s almost certain the real problem is they’re telling the truth.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Hardly. No simple rule such as what you propose “if it is called disinformation, it is truth” could possibly be valid. So, how can we hope to sort disinformation from truth, especially when all disinformation incorporates some elements of truth so as to make it believable? I bet everyone here believes they can tell the difference. I suspect all, or almost all, of us are wrong. Disinformation is everywhere, and we all fall for a certain amount of it. This is, after all, the Disinformation Age. The internet proved useful for spreading information, but it has been vastly more effective for the use of spreading disinformation.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
You can tell because the ones claiming disinformation present no evidence to back up their claim. They just state it’s disinformation. The ones telling the truth don’t just simply claim the other is spreading disinformation. They present facts to back their statements.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Hardly. I, personally, have given up trying to refute disinformation. In the time it takes to develop a full, documented, refutation, those spreading the disinformation can create ten more bits of disinformation, and the people who believed the disinformation won’t believe the refutation anyway. That’s the whole problem. Researching truth takes considerable time, while making up disinformation is nearly instant, so disinformation outnumbers valid information probably 10 to 1.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
The mainstream news media is adept at spreading official disinformation.
You are right that people who believe official disinformation are not as likely to believe the refutation. I still see people wearing cloth masks, even though they are officially now, just face decoration.
CNN however, did lose 90% of its audience, being that they specialized in disinformation.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Everyone is susceptible to disinformation, and falls for it at least some of the time. The reason is that they have a preconceived perception of what they hope is true. If something is presented that the is in line with their hoped for view, they will readily accept it without skepticism. If something is presented that they hope is not true, they will view it skeptically. Thanks to all the disinformation on the interenet, a quick search will yield data that “confirms” the hoped for view, and rejects the alternative view. It matters not at all what the view is, or whether it is true; you can find “data” that supports anything, especially since most people have no idea what good “data” is, and they give as much weight to anecdotes as they do to data.  
As for masks, I have never understood why there is so much disinformation on masks. The science of masks was done years ago, and has long been quite clear. Masks do little if any good to protect the wearer from other people. Masks worn by sick people significantly reduce the spread of disease in general.
Tengen
Tengen
2 years ago
ZH isn’t really Russian propaganda. In fact, their antiwar stance is one of the few remaining good qualities over there.
The site peaked ten years ago and decided to go full culture war five years ago. Along with this shift the comments got much dumber and basically became a poo flinging contest, a paradise for trolls of all stripes to frolic.
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
Reply to  Tengen
Seems you’re quite capable of slinging a bit of poo yourself
Tengen
Tengen
2 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Head over there sometime and tell me the place isn’t infested with trolls and cranks. Mish moderates this place to keep the discussion on track. ZH didn’t moderate until they absolutely had to, but by then the damage was done.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Tengen
Reading ZH comments will kill your brain – like most right wing boards.  Everything is a conspiracy that only THEY can recognize.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Well, to the DONORcrat Party, every person or group they don’t like, is a “Russian agent/asset/bot…”
Just like to the right-wingers, any DONORcrat is a “socialist” (including people like HR Clinton, who sat on the WalMart board while the company was screwing its employees, was the architect of anti-labor policies like NAFTA and TPP, and has practically vowed that single-payer healthcare will “never ever come to pass”).
So, anything else is new?! 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
“Just like to the right-wingers, any DONORcrat is a “socialist” (including people like HR Clinton, who sat on the WalMart board while the company was screwing its employees,”
So..,… no different from Stalin, Mao, Chavez, and every other prominent socialist, sitting at any “board”, then?
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
Get back to me when/if any of those guys get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to give speeches to Wall Street banksters.  
LawrenceBird
LawrenceBird
2 years ago
Mish the term ‘useful idiot’ applies to ZeroHedge in spades.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  LawrenceBird
That would be a name for the mainstream media.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  LawrenceBird
..just like the term “useless idiot” does; to anyone halfway around the world who is dumb enough to be suckered into supporting wasting resources bothering with what happens in Ukraine, on Planet Dunce or other such places. Instead on focusing their ire on the scum who are now using “Ukraine” as yet another in an endless line of empty excuses for robbing and harassing them ever more.
For any given person, his most consequential enemy is the one which has the easiest access to his life, freedoms and wallet. Which, for nearly everyone (Palestinians in Gaza and a few others perhaps excepted), are those claiming to be “his” “Leaders”. They’re the ones he needs to worry about. Not supposed hobgoblins halfway around the world, whom those “leaders” are trying to scare him into submission bymaing up scare stories about.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
JUST WONDERING  :  Isn t Putin just one  hell  of a ADMIRABLE phlegmatic chess player when compared with the worthless ‘democratically elected’ , headless and consequently utterly clueless, out of control, fuses blowing chickens , we ‘enjoy’ as pure excuses for merely bank account concentrated leaders ?   
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Putin is a 3 dimensional chess player of the likes of Spock.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
More like checkers.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Putin: a chess master who plays by different (his) rules.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Putin: a checker player who consistently loses so much that his only way to get anybody to talk to him is to threaten invasion of a much smaller country with his military. He is a loser.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Could you please explain ‘fuses blowing chickens’? Even my schipperke is confused.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
do I really have to teach english now  ?  To blow a fuse :  reacting furiously……say hello to your lovely schipperke 😉
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Another commie. I bet you love Trump too.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Nope, I don t like narcist ***holes , nor do I like senile Deep State puppets….
billybobjr
billybobjr
2 years ago
Comments here are laughable . The fact that some of the commenters trash Zero Hedge for their Russia propaganda
is comical  . When you consider the thousands of hours that the mainstream media and the the US government establishment pushed on 
total lies like Russiagate , Still dossier and many more by NBC ,ABC ,CBS, NYT, WP and so many more . Zero Hedge is way closer to the truth than these US government mouthpieces.
The fact now that we know the democrats paid entities to spy and create a fake Russia collusion narrative
and their media arm pushed it for 5 years to destroy a elected president and no one is being held accountable is all you need 
to know . Russia and Ukraine both said no invasion was going to happen and it appears now its not ,so they seem to be more truthful
than our government . It was all a false narrative to make Biden look like he had a win just like the article say’s . The Russian military
exercises had been planned many months ago . 
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
2 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
The amount of useless nonsense and flat out lies found on Zero Hedge caused me to stop reading long ago. Separating the wheat from the chaff is far to hard there, and it has gotten worse over the years. It panders to conspiracy theorists.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
Separating wheat from chaff is the reader’s job with any opinion-driven media, including here. This is the era of the Internet of Ideas, a postmodern construct that enables the individual, assuming he/she is capable of critical thinking.
I remember when articles appeared on ZH about the file transfer rate for DNC files released on Wikileaks. The FTR from timestamps revealed the files were not transferred by Russian hackers, but loaded onto a THUMB DRIVE. This is something US ‘intelligence’ agencies never reported. According to you, this would be “nonsense and flat out lies.”
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I can see why you read zero hedge.
billybobjr
billybobjr
2 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
I can see why you stick with the WP and NYT they use government anonymous sources . CDC reports now that 
natural immunity is far superior to vaccine immunity but you still probably would insist they get the vaccine . Not saying
Zero hedge is accurate but it is laughable when you try and compare them to the MSM and the thousands of shows and articles
that have turned out to be false so maybe you should go watch  reruns of Avenatti on MSM and they gave him hundreds of 
hours promoting garbage and you want to call out Zero hedge that is funny indeed .
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
2 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
I want you to carefully look at the messages you have written to me and the strawman that you have built to attack.
That is why you are a zero hedge reader. Where are the fundamentals? There are none, just stories. When it is all just stories. . . one mistake, one omission, one change of opinion when discussing a complicated subject is all you need to disregard someone completely. . . Most especially when you dont agree with them. There are no fundamentals.
That is why you are a zero hedge reader. I do not engage with the mainstream media, that is a strawman that you built. Zero hedge readers love the strawmen that are built at zero hedge. It is just another narrative with no fundamental truth to it. As I said, I see why you are a zero hedge reader.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
BillyBob is getting far more likes than you.  That means that few here agree with your own perceived self-importance and righteousness.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
I often wonder where and how they actually recruite those good for nothing, personality lacking, non thinking, State Department specimen,. A background check would demonstrate they are mostly friends of the parents of the friends of some Deep State mfr.  It wouldn’ t really matter where they come from and get paid mind boggling wages,  if  only they were competent , but then again all they have to do is to lie(and to lay?) and  to promulgate fake news….Cushy jobs in other words it only takes a intensive  lying (laying) training .      
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
They’re like every other government employee. Do whatever is necessary to keep your job. Because there’s no way they would do better in the private sector.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Do you know anyone who works for State? FromBrussels nailed it. Beyond incestuous.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I know more working adults who work for the state than don’t.
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Well Putin said he wasn’t going to invade .  Can we trust him now ?  
Putin scores a big win:  jacks up the price of oil and exposes USA propaganda machine (American exceptionalism )  at its finest .   Lets see how BIden spins Putin’s border withdrawal.   
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  thimk
USA government and captive MSM has fostered pure Russian/Ukraine FUD for weeks now, despite a direct request from the president of the Ukraine to turn it down.  
Biden is looking for anything to mask his many failures, like for instance today, getting Dr. Califf reappointed as FDA Commissioner again.  
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Absolutely , for some reasons the left has a penchant to vilify Russia . (just listen to Hillary et al , Russia is their
 resolute  villain).  I give Putin a thumbs up for a well played hand .  Oh his sovereign bonds pay 7%.  nice 
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  thimk
Maybe they’re still waiting for the ground to freeze. I’m not an expert in Ukrainian weather, but if the ground hasn’t frozen by the end of January, I don’t think it will ever freeze.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Completely agree.
Curious-Cat
Curious-Cat
2 years ago
All of politics and religion is simply a series of competing narratives.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
2 years ago
In the interest of disclosure, you should state that your site is carried on Zero Hedge. Zero Hedge repeats many things that are basically garbage in order to push a political agenda. ZH has had some good items in their news feed. My main argument against ZH is that a Democratic administration could have 10% of the same bad characteristics that a Republican administration has, but ZH would only sensationally publicize the anti-Democratic Party news with a misleading headline and perhaps wrong “facts”. But ZH definitely isn’t as bad as some of the other Alex Jones type.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
How about you go to their site right now and point out some of the garbage they post. Should be easy.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
I think we should be clear about the WMD narrative and the attack on Iraq. Very early on, the Saudi connection to 9/11 was known, as was the Afghanistan connection. Given the Russian experience in Afghanistan, an attack there (in arguably the world’s most hostile terrain, against seasoned tough fighters) would be very costly in troops and material–hence the agreement with the warlords and using US forces to train local troops.
At the same time, a clear ‘message’ needed to be sent to the Saudis that supporting terrorism was not tolerable. An attack on Saudi Arabia (the  only Arab ally in the Middle East–Kuwait is too tiny to count) was impossible. The terrorist connection was quickly hushed up. Instead, the ‘message’ was sent indirectly, a massive attack on Iraq. It was low-hanging fruit, and the pretext was obvious–the threat of WMD. Logically, Powell was involved in such discussions, and knew WMD were no more than some chemical weapons used  in the Iraqi hinterland to murder a few million citizens.
A complication was what to do with Iraq after defeat. It was NEVER about oil. There, the earlier Iran experiment (westernization and the liberation of women under Pahlavi) suggested a positive outcome could be achieved in just one generation. Like Iran, implementing social change failed, largely through not understanding the complex (reactionary) Iraqi society.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
ZH is a hodgepodge of everything and anything. It does have Russian propagada and it’s easy to see but it also has US propaganda too so it evens out. I guess that now it’s known that the powers-that-are don’t like ZH I would expect that puts its readers on a list somewhere as possible who-knows-whats. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Pretty much my take on ZH too.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It’s a good site that I read daily for an aggregation of a diversity of viewpoints that you don’t get in places like the NYT.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I use a news aggregator so I can scan 150 different sources.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
My news is better than your news. LMAO
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
My news aggregator is bigger than yours. Mine is very big. Let me show you.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I use RSS feeds.  Do you know what that is?
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I knew what RSS feeds were when they first came out because we used them right away. I was in finance before I retired and we got the first tools and the best tools very early.
hhabana
hhabana
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I go to ZH daily along with several other sites. Probably ten altogether and I can tell you that Yahoo news is not one of them! hahaha.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Can you find a single example of Russia propaganda on their site?
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It is too obvious, comrade, that you are working at the troll farm in St. Petersburg. You need to be more subtle in your propaganda. 
az_dirt
az_dirt
2 years ago
Comrade Mish,
    If Zero Hedge is not a Russian disinformation site they and the collection of bloggers they work with are certainly Russian narrative amplifiers.  Please to see on page 31 the spiderweb that ZH is part of.  
and
Several sources with connections to the Bulgarian
government told me that they suspected Zero Hedge may be a Trojan horse as
well. “I trust it is a project of Bulgarian intelligence,” a former senior
Bulgarian government official told me. “It is unlikely that they would embark
on their own without the backing or funding from Moscow.”
I will say that when ZH sticks to financial analysis they can be very interesting and report on situations that don’t show in the MSM or show up much later.   And certainly there is disinformation in the MSM but let’s not kid ourselves about ZH’s political mission.
az_dirt
az_dirt
2 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
Oh, and before you comment on Rand Corp, yes, they are the deepest of the deep state.   That doesn’t mean they are wrong.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
Sort of like “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you”, yes?
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
Several sources with connections to the Bulgarian
government told me that they suspected Zero Hedge may be a Trojan horse as
well. “I trust it is a project of Bulgarian intelligence,” a former senior
Bulgarian government official told me. “It is unlikely that they would embark
on their own without the backing or funding from Moscow.”
“Suspected.” Comical.
Well, 50 former U.S. intelligence officials claimed that Hunter Biden’s laptop had all the earmarks of Russian disinfo. There was no logic to their claim. The laptop later turned out to be the Real McCoy. Bobolinski had already confirmed some of the information on it, so the former intelligence officials looked rather comical, making the claim in the first place.
Scooot
Scooot
2 years ago
The anonymous officials have just given ZeroHedge a massive publicity boost. I wonder why they’d do that. 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
No, they know that this will keep the site from being allowed to be referenced on many MSM comment boards.  They’ve planted the seed and now their internet foot soldiers will go forth pointing at any reference to any story in ZH and claiming “RUSSIAN TOOL!”.  
Scooot
Scooot
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Thanks for the explanation. I still think it’ll backfire. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Dissent will NOT be tolerated by Democrats and the Deep State.
If anything Zero encourages critical thinking, but that is dangerous when the narrative requires otherwise.
dbannist
dbannist
2 years ago
I read nearly everything on zerohedge daily.  I have tended lately to skip Michael Snyder’s commentary due to the rabid unintelligent drivel he produces and spews forth in every article.
However, the US is accusing ZH of being a Russian propoganda site?
Bizarre.  Very Bizarre.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
The main pro-Russian POV I’ve seen on ZH is from The Saker blog over the years…..but that guy also often makes good points about the US and the foibles of our State Dept. and military industrial complex.
shamrock
shamrock
2 years ago
So the defense of zero hedge is to “what about” the U.S. government? 
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
I have never thought that ZeroHedge was deliberately publishing Russian propaganda, however I have always felt that a certain amount of Russian propaganda does end up finding it’s way to ZeroHedge.
hhabana
hhabana
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I call it alternative view points. Everything else in media is US propaganda. Too many things our government does wrong internally and internationally. 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Just as a certain amount of USA government propaganda from the CDC/FDA, people like Fauci and Walenski and numerous others finds its way into the NYT, WaPO, LAT, CNN/MSNC, Network news, etc?
rickter10
rickter10
2 years ago
Come on, if you’ve been following ZeroHedge for any time at all you know they have a Russian-leaning bias on their particular form of DAU-driving propaganda AND reporting.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  rickter10
Can you give some examples?
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Comrade, more subtlety. Not so obvious in your support of the great leader, Putin.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
2 years ago
I’m agnostic on whether or not ZH is a Russian sock puppet. The State Department claims (at least for now) are just claims, as Mish stated.
HOWEVER, it’s worth noting that my savvy financial friends, many of whom work for the biggest brokerages all the way up to the Chariman’s divisions, almost all of them quit reading ZH between 2011 and 2013. Why? They all felt it had fallen under the influence of Russian propaganda. Take that for what you will, and hey, I could be making it up, but why bother? 
I still read ZH avidly, along with this site, Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire, and more of a patchwork quilt from all political corners, you’ve got to know what your allies and the axis are reading, lest ye be uninformed about the others’ opinions. But I have to admit, the blowhard share of commenters in their comments section is extraordinarily high.
Rbm
Rbm
2 years ago
Yeah i quit reading zero hedge because of comments.  I like discussion not personal attacks.  
hhabana
hhabana
2 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Sort of tough place if you are a sensitive man. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
If memory serves me, the anti-zero reaction was less about Russian propaganda than having an open mind about economics and politics, less believe what you are told by the mainstream media (and Wall street masters(, and more analyze and investigate alternative explanations.
Example, Zero was first as far as I know, to critically evaluate the Russiagate narrative, Assange’s role, and Democrat malfeasance, among other things. Ditto with the Wuhan lab leak. No wonder the mass media wants it shut down. The same is true of Fox, only less so.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago

Zero Hedge is about 50/50 between kookery and valuable insight.  I suspect the kookery is to drive up DAU.

dbannist
dbannist
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
They are nearly always first to report big news items for the day.  I don’t know how they do it, but they are the fastest on the big news trigger of any news outlet I’ve ever seen.

Big earthquake?  Yup, ZH has it first.
Fukishima news?  ZH often has the only accurate stuff.
Doom news?  Well, ZH is my favorite doom news site.  They do need to kick off Snyder though.  He’s a bit nuts.

hhabana
hhabana
2 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Why is Snyder nuts? Yeah, he insinuates the end of the world sometimes or maybe trying to sell a book, but overall his articles are referenced with links. I think you guys are just upset that America has a lot of problems and you refuse to acknowledge it because of the “exceptionalism” drivel. Look at the reality around you. 
dbannist
dbannist
2 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
I’ve been reading Snyder for over 10 years.
It’s always the end of the world with him.
Every time a volcano erupts it’s something unusual and we are going to enter a global ice age only we never do.  Every time there’s a major earthquake, it’s always “unusual” with him and there’s about to be 10.0 earthquake hit next, only they never do.
No, earthquakes and volcano’s are perfectly normal and sometimes they do bad things.  It’s his spin on natural disasters that make him useless.
The world has run out of food nearly 100x in the last 10 years according to him…..only it never did.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Do you have any examples?
Esclaro
Esclaro
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

How you disappoint me comrade. You need to be less obvious or else no one pays attention to you. 

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