Cold Reality Dawns
The vaccines have raised hope, but the Cold Reality Dawns That Covid Is Likely Here to Stay
Governments and businesses are increasingly accepting what epidemiologists have long warned: The pathogen will circulate for years, or even decades, leaving society to coexist with Covid-19 much as it does with other endemic diseases like flu, measles, and HIV.
The ease with which the coronavirus spreads, the emergence of new strains and poor access to vaccines in large parts of the world mean Covid-19 could shift from a pandemic disease to an endemic one, implying lasting modifications to personal and societal behavior, epidemiologists say.
“Going through the five phases of grief, we need to come to the acceptance phase that our lives are not going to be the same,” said Thomas Frieden, former director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “I don’t think the world has really absorbed the fact that these are long-term changes.”
“We assume it would last for years, or be eternal, such as the flu,” said Jiwon Lim, spokesman for South Korea’s SD Biosensor, Inc., a test maker that is ramping up production of at-home diagnostic kits.
Eradication Extremely Difficult
Only one virus has ever been completely eradicated, smallpox.
- Smallpox existed for thousands of years, killed millions, and was fatal in up to 30% of cases.
- It was eradicated by a collaborative global vaccination program led by the World Health Organization.
- The last known natural case was in Somalia in 1977.
- In 1978, an accident in a research laboratory led to the death of one person from the disease.
Biowar Testing
In September of 2019, LiveScience reported Two Labs Still House Live Smallpox.
A fire reportedly broke out yesterday (Sept. 16) after an explosion at a secret lab in Russia, one of only two places in the world where the variola virus that causes smallpox is kept. One person was reported injured and transferred to a nearby burn center.
Researchers at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology (also called the Vector Institute), located near Novosibirsk in Siberia, study some scary viruses, including Ebola, anthrax and Marburg.
A Cold War-era bioweapons lab, Vector once housed some 100 buildings and even its own cemetery where a scientist who injected himself with the highly lethal Marburg virus.
The other lab authorized by the World Health Organization to hold smallpox — declared eradicated in 1980 — is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, Georgia.
Accidents Happen
One never knows when a nutcase working in a lab might decide to do something. Accidents can also happen.
Many believe the origin of Covid is from a bio lab in China.
Endemic Mutations
Like the flu, Covid mutations are prone to becoming endemic because they spread through casual actions like breathing and talking.
That makes Covid particularly difficult to eradicate.
Perhaps people will need yearly shots, just like the flu. Regardless, Covid will remain a disruptive force for a long time.
Mish
Hi Mish, Dr. Pierre Kory of FLCCC (Front Line Covid Care) is sharing the data that the existing anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin is effective as a prophylaxis and treatment for all strains of Covid-19. He has presented to the U.S. Senate, NIH (who changed their status recommendation about Ivermectin from “against” to ‘neutral’) and a member of President Biden’s Covid Task Force. This drug won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for its effectiveness against parasites that cause human blindness, has 4 Billion doses given with only about 1600 known cases of any side effects, and is now testing brilliantly about Covid. See: LIVE EVENT RECORDING & SLIDE DECK: link to covid19criticalcare.com. First bright news in a long time. Best, Jonathan
You mean, coronadoom will be a weapon of fear until the establishment is dragged out by their ear.
So this should add to our GDP, right? Maybe double it and outgrow our debts?
Was listening to John Campbell from the UK who does Covid youtube videos and he says it will be eradicated, but it may take a couple of years because of the more contagious mutations. He said the virus can only mutate 29,000 times, and the virus has already mutated at least 14,000 times according to genetic sequencing which the UK is really good at doing. So eventually, we will get down to the few remaining strains, vaccinate against those, and we’ll be done with it. The spanish flu went away, and whatever happened to the original SARS Covid 1? This can go away too.
In the meantime, Vit. D and Ivermectin seem to work fairly well to treat this thing.
I’m afraid those numbers are incorrect. The virus can mutate to an almost infinite number of variants.
(I suspect his numbers are derived from the fact that the virus has about 29000 base pairs in its genome, hence 29000 possible locations. However, the virus can acquire more than one mutation. It could have 8 or 27 or whatever. When you count all the possible combinations of 2 or more mutations, then the number of variants is massive)
Yet there’s this?
Almost one year in.
Excess deaths for the year will come to almost 600,000
Number of hospitalizations near 1,000,000
What will be the new normal?
Do you imagine/hope/believe that “once and done” will rule?
If you look at South Africa and areas of South America, it is clear that this is not the case.
Back to normal?
Is 600,000 deaths a year acceptable and dismissible (making it the biggest cause of death ahead of heart disease)? Will a million hospitalizations a year just be the “cost of doing business”? Can you really expect that people will ignore this?
There is the fact that every year you are getting older–becoming more a part of the more susceptible demographic.
And realize that damage to people from this illness will be culmulative. There is no curative in a second time around with the illness that would repair the damages to blood vessels and lungs from a previous case.
In the meantime C19 fears will be abused to justify a technocratic new world order; powerful people a la Gates, Musk etc, creating indoctrinating totalitarianism, implementing greater control of the masses by means of mandatory implanted chips. Go figure, C19 even justifies the war on cash! DNA altering vaccines will become compulsory, leading to total discrimination and outlawing of people refusing to go along with the Big Pharma scam, an outright thread to basic human rights and democracy in general, not to mention ‘freedom’ whatever that may still be worth in the police states we have become in recent years. Some will say I am exaggerating….Did you know that Denmark, of all fckn democratic nations, wanted to pass a law making the fckn vaccination forcible ? Yes with police men accompanied by a nurse coming to your house etc ! Luckily the proposed law was not approved by the parliament….for the time being that is…The fact that a exemplary (socialist) nation even THINKS of applying similar INSANE measures tells you EXACTLY what the world is in for, does it not ?
Well COVID isn’t as deadly as some. But hey no, people can choose not to be vaccinated, but the the rest of society can also choose that the un-vaccinated don’t get to mix with them. Folk with bubonic plague or typhoid don’t get to wander the streets at will. I get Ebola do you mind if I visit your town, have a few beers, hang out at your kids school?
…..oh shit, my english must really suck when people don t seem to understand what I am saying….
I’m one of those “nut cases” davebarnes2 refers to and my opinion is quickly gaining traction at higher levels and even from the Wuhan scientists themselves. The mad scientists were playing around with “gain of function” in the Lab, got infected, and it got out. The virus acts “smart” and can seem to shift routes of infection, affects of being infected, and quickly outwits rushed, dangerous, and unproven vaccines. It appears that we face a terrestrial Andromeda Strain which acts intelligent and mutates rapidly. It should be good for a much necessary population reduction on Planet Earth.
I give it about 9 more months. By Q1 2022 we will see the end of mask mandates and a booming economy by summer 2022. It is going to take a year to get to herd immunity. And yes expect to be like an annual flu shot. Sometimes with multiple shots per year.
unlike me… you see sprouts of green….and you think to yourself ….what a wonderful wooooorld…. Wishful thinking, I fear….
Let me fix this for you “Many believe the origin of Covid is from a bio lab in China. “
Many nut cases believe the origin of Covid is from a bio lab in China.
The odd thing is that I have seen multiple articles claiming that the origin of the virus was not from the bio lab in China, yet every single one I have seen was co-authored by one of the people affiliated with the lab, usually either Peter Dazsak or Professor Edward Holmes. Their primary argument has been that SARS-COV2 is too different from the samples the lab had to have been man made. That argument has become less convincing over time as we’ve seen numerous mutations in the virus already. Add to that the fact that both have a strong financial interest in the continuation of “gain of function” research on bats, and I ready their claims that it could not have come from the lab with a degree of skepticism.
The wet-market theory for the origin has been long abandoned, but that doesn’t mean the virus doesn’t have natural origins, nor that it does have them. I think this is something that we will never know.
Thank you.
Fwiw, there is plenty of credible evidence that the virus could have escaped from one of the two Wuhan labs. All that is lacking at this points is a smoking gun, and I doubt that will be forthcoming.
My money would be on the military lab…..not the bat woman’s lab….but it could have been either one.
I find it hilarious that people who don’t know anything about virology are the quickest to accept the agreed-upon correct media narrative. You can call me a nut case, but you can’t successfully defend that POV in an intelligent argument.
Wanna try@davebarnes2 ? Because I can make my case. Can you? I mean, using the known facts…..and not some appeal to authority.
And yes, there is a huge financial incentive to sweep such a conclusion as far under the rug as possible, as fast as possible.
And sending The WHO to investigate is like sending O.J. Simpson out to look for Nicole’s killer.
Radiation couldn’t possibly leak from Chernobyl either bit it did.
Covid 19 and enforcement is going to the federal level now. Got to wear 2 masks… Totalitarian tiptoe. It’s not about a virus.
2 Masks. LOL. When’s the last time anyone here (or their partner) wore 2 condoms during sex?
Madness.
Start making and selling plastic masks…see how many dumb Americans use them:)
Smallpox is not the only virus that is not endemic. SARS and MERS came and went, though a few cases of MERS do pop up occasionally. The Spanish Flu has not been around for a long time, though other varieties of flu have been.
There are a wide variety of possible futures. Perhaps Covid will end up vanishing. Perhaps it will end up mutating into a milder form, and become like the coronaviruses that lead to colds. Or, perhaps it will be a chronic killer and we will all take booster shots periodically. Whatever the future is, we will deal with it as it comes.
SARS and MERS had few cases compared to Covid. Spanish Flu was just a mutation of the typical flu which is still with us and will someday mutate into an even deadlier form than the Spanish Flu (and hopefully it to will change). Polio is almost eradicated. But it is difficult to get rid of something so widespread and easily transmissible especially when it is contagious before any symptoms.
Some think that one of the four coronaviruses, which cause the cold, OC43, was was actually the cause of the Russian Flu of 1889, but then it mutated into a much more mild form. Of course, others think that the Russian Flu was caused by a variant of H2N2, and there is no way to know, at this late date.
SARS and MERS were flawed viruses for transmissibility in that people did not really begin to shed the virus (exposing others) until they were seriously ill and generally incapacitated.
Wheras Covid is spread by people when they have few or no symptoms who wander without thought spreading it to others.
I really wonder about covid. Based on my experience it’s not a big deal. I know about a dozen people who have had it, very mild or asymptomatic. Possibly, myself and my entire family had it in March. Basically, flu. On the other hand you hear all these horror stories….
Just great. Im 52 and you’re telling me i’m wearing a mask, social distancing and forgetting about things like rock concerts for the rest of my life? I have 2 words for those that think like that. Read my mind.
lol, exactly. It’s all BS. The question is when will the public wakeup?
Looks like international air travel won’t come close to making a full recovery.
No Super Bowl commercials for airlines tonight. Zero.
SOLUTION : Double, triple, quadruple airfares….the rif raf has been futilely moving around for far too long, far too cheaply, contributing dramatically to the destruction of the planet…
If we all get vaccinated covid will me manageable and not be a death risk. It’s still possible we eradicate it but the longer we take in vaccinating and limiting spread the less likely that becomes
How do you plan on vaccinating against something that keeps changing?
How do you plan to eradicate a virus that also exists in animal populations?
Mish: “Many believe the origin of Covid is from a bio lab in China”.
U.S has many bio labs around the world and in the US. Many believe that events in the summer 2019 at Fort Detrick are the origin of CoronaVirus.
What events are you referring to?
I’m glad to read more and more articles saying we need to just accept it and move on with life. It says we are starting to get back to normal.
Smallpox at 30% death rate is a disaster. Covid at .5% is a rounding error that may not continue for years if all the vulnerable people are dead already.
Living here in Florida more and more things are returning to normal every day. My whole family had Covid and it was nothing. About half the people I know here have had it and had no effects on them either. At this point or sometime soon, pretty much everyone in Florida not living in isolation will have had Covid, been exposed to it with no repercussions or be dead from it. At that point the only thing left to fear it fear itself 🙂
my whole family got/has covid no big deal riiight Good luck getting additional health care insurance etc because now Life insurers screen for COVID-19 link to axios.com
Or life insurance
I think I’ve had it twice, neither time testing was available when I was sick. First time almost went to an ER. Second time it was nothing. There is a high degree of risk we’ll see one or two more lethal waves with more contagious variants after that everybody will have some sort of resistance and no way will the hospitals will ever get overwhelmed.
Same. I was sick for 6 weeks back in January. Everyone else said screw it and was coming to work sick so I did also.
January and February of 2019 that is
You realize that once your post-Covid you’ll be able to get life insurance just fine. They obviously don’t want people who are dying of Covid getting insurance in the the same way people dying of Cancer can’t get it.
Clearly Covid is going to be the Aids scare of this generation. I remember the same scare in the mid 80’s regarding Aids and by 1990 or so hardly anyone cared anymore. We are coming up on the 1 year anniversary. So it’s probably the equivalent of 1986 or 1987 in the Aids scare.
Where did it say get back to normal?
gosh glad that AIDS scare is over
When we think of the end of the humanity it can be in terms of nuclear holocaust or asteroid impact.
Perhaps we should add rapidly mutating virus to the list. One running and mutating faster than humans can cope, worse than cv19, or one that causes infertility with few if any outward symptoms.
Certainly not impossible.
I’ve been watching the news. Nothing is worse than COVID-19.
According to some sources, literally tons of “weapons grade” smallpox developed by the Soviet military just disappeared when the Soviet government collapsed. Whether some of that stockpile might still exist…or who controls it, is a matter for speculation. Nobody really knows.
It’s unlikely that the vaccine many older people received (I got it at age five, before starting school) actually might still confer immunity to smallpox. In the US, smallpox vaccination ended in 1972.
In 2014, the CDC found six vials of “lost” smallpox in a freezer, long forgotten. I’d give very good odds on smallpox being out there…..in more than two places.
When I think of real threats from biological warfare, smallpox is very high on my list. It’s so contagious that it’s been shown to have traveled from one hospital floor to another just because windows were briefly left open…it has an R0 of somewhere between 3.5 and 6.
I think the jury is still out on the long term persistence of COVID…I don’t expect it to be eradicated, necessarily, but I do expect for it to be contained well enough for most of us to get back to some semblance of normal. I don’t think it will happen in 2021 however.
Now that I’ve been vaccinated against COVID, I’m at least thinking about booking a vacation…..although I will certainly consider the risks…and I will take every possible precaution.
If it becomes like the Flu then there is no big problem. It could evolve into something more more dangerous so so could a lot of pathogens. Best plan is to keep up a very good health system which is also true even if covid never existed. It’s kumbaya PR .
This is a problem, they don’t want fixed. Ivermectine works broadly as a anti-viral, take it safely, and only when ill. Ah, but you must be masked, vaccined, and lockdown. This is intimately tied to the last post. Or, if you must pay more for something new and safety untested, there is this:
“Researchers led by a team at the University of Nottingham discovered that the broad spectrum antiviral thapsigargin has shown to be effective against SARS-CoV-2 (which causes Covid-19), a common cold coronavirus, the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) as well as influenza A virus. “
DuckDuckGo the name, yourself.
Meanwhile, Sweden, Florida, & South Dakota move along, ignoring the madness of imposing insecurities on others.
1/10/21
Sweden’s new emergency lockdown law went into effect on Sunday, granting the government the power to impose coronavirus-related curbs for the first time.
The measure comes nearly a year after the Nordic country ruled out the same strict public health measures that were implemented throughout the rest of Europe.
Until now, the Swedish government has relied mostly on the public following official health recommendations voluntarily.
But lawmakers passed the new pandemic law on Friday, allowing the government to “introduce special restrictions for both certain activities and places,” according to a statement on the parliament’s website.
The new law is expected to be used imminently.
“We see a great risk that we will be in a difficult situation for some time ahead,” Prime Minister Stefan Lofven told Swedish network SVT ahead of the law’s passage. “And we will be using it in the near future.”
The law permits the government to restrict the number of people in shops, businesses and public places including theaters and swimming pools. Authorities can also fine individuals for flouting coronavirus rules as well as order businesses to close in the case of violations.
“We will see if we can do more in public transport, but it could also be about gyms, sports facilities, events and businesses that operate premises for parties,” Lofven said of the law’s application.
The decision comes as Sweden, which has the highest per capita COVID death rate of all Scandinavian countries, struggles to battle a second wave of the virus with emergency wards filling up to critical capacity.
Face facts, it sure looks like they’re done from their deaths graph, have a look.
I’ve been monitoring their daily death graphs. 1-2 months ago I noticed it always had that downslope over the last two weeks. Sure enough, they are backfilling older dates as new deaths are reported. There must be some sort of lag in their reporting fatalities, or they are painting the tape. I don’t trust their graph for making those sorts of inferences, and you should check the pattern yourself before assigning full trust.
Moral armtwisting by the EU circus ? The ‘highest per capita C death rate among scandinavian countries’ is hardly a reference, is it ? There are only 3 Scandinavian countries and they are doing better that the rest of Europe, at least the Swedish economy is not flat on its back(yet) or fckn ruined like my, ignorant ass holes ruled, country….
They don’t seem to care about old folk much in the Dakotas. Small populations, spread out. Should be low rates of COVID, but the death and infection rate is up with the worst few countries. My city, locked down early and hard. Minor restrictions since then. The population is a about half that of S Dakota.
200 cases/ 3 deaths v 109,000 cases/1,800 deaths.
Hard to see how the better economic outcome is achieved through rampant spread of disease and the cost of dealing with that many sick people and deaths v a few weeks lock down.
And this is why rapid effective response is required.
No, a change in lifestyle is required. That means diet, exercise, being outdoors, more socializing, not less. People with healthy hearts lungs and circulation, and with balanced chemical content shrug off this virus with little difficulty. We need to live like people, not slugs.
Of course it will be with us forever, just like a chest cold, or the flu…been around for thousands of years. Not to be crude, but, living ends with death every single time. WAY to much panic porn on the fake news. Nothing will help except maybe having a very good immune system, which requires a low BMI, which in America, just about everyone is liberal and overweight.
And by “just about everyone” you mean roughly half.
I suppose it depends on what time frame you are looking at. Take a look at some older pictures of lets say the early 1900’s, you will hardly never find fat people in those, heck, look back 60 years, very few over people obese. As far is liberalism is concerned, society keeps getting more liberal by the year. What is permitted today, was shunned years ago.
Obesity is rampant everywhere in the US, but the heartland is the worst. It’s striking to see every time I go back to visit family.
How exactly do you account for the high rates of obesity in red states and red counties?
“I was struck recently by a Fox News report using Center for Disease Control statistics that listed the top 10 states with the most obese percentage of people residing in them.
They are: 10. South Carolina, 9. Alaska, 8. Kentucky, 7. Arkansas, 6. Louisiana, 5. Alabama, 4. Iowa, 3. Oklahoma, 2. Mississippi, and the most obese state in the U.S. is West Virginia.
The redness of these states’ political leaning flashed before my eyes. “
“A study done by UCLA geography Professor Michael Shin and his colleague, Professor William McCarthy, with the Department of Health, looked into “the association between county political inclination and obesity” and concluded: “We found that higher county-level obesity prevalence rates were associated with higher levels of support for Republican Party Presidential candidates” (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2013).
Sure, I’ll buy that. The country as a whole is obese. Look out your window, fat people abound. Look at an old photo of say 60-70 years ago, most if not all skinny. You should be able to fit in the same size jeans you wore in your 20’s, if not, you are overweight. I think alot of people escape with some form of food addiction, that leads them to overeat. Maybe as they become older, they don’t realize that your eating habits should change to fit your age. When I was younger, I could eat a whole pizza, now, one slice will do.
And, somehow, Liberalism, the advancement of technology, being overweight, seem to trend together. Just an observation.
FWIW, it would be interesting to break down obesity and political leanings by race. Black Americans have higher rates of obesity than whites but are about 90% democrats. A number of those states have high black/hispanic/minority populations. If you just consider whites it might turn out that the link between obesity and being a republican isn’t so strong.
But, like, who cares? Does the US really need another stereotype?
This CDC study breaks down obesity by race. The correlation breaks down somewhat if you look at the CDC’s figures.
link to cdc.gov,Hispanic%20white%20adults%20(28.6%25).
Least obese states regardless of race: VT, NH, UT, CO
Most obese state regardless of race: WV, with the plains states not far behind.
Interesting.
Liberal and overweight? Most of Trump’s zombies emulate their obese cult leader. You rarely see a skinny Trumpanzee.
Cool, so conservatism is just fake news. Good to know.
Weirdly, in my 2018 UK vacation I saw no obese people in 2 weeks. My wife and I, liberal Americans by anyone’s definition, dwarfed the average Brit. I’m 6’2″ 215#, so technically obese by BMI. I don’t like how gaunt I look when I drop below 200#, so eff the BMI.
But those Brits are so illiberal with their National Health Service socialized medicine. Seems America could use some of that illiberal socialism.
Lol, conservatism, compared to what? No one is conservative anymore. That is long gone. Everyone is liberal. Not including me. Maybe in UK things are different, here in usa, just about everyone is obese, to the standards of 60 years ago or so. If you look gaunt , you need to eat. Liberalism ? We have much of that, we are choking on it!
Your making a form of a No True Scotsman fallacy. Among the living, there are those who identify as conservatives. It matters not that they don’t satisfy your definition compared to Phyllis Schlafly or John C. Calhoun or Genghis Khan.
The irony, as I pointed out, is that the Brits as a people with socialized health care are vastly less obese than Americans who suffer under an archaic paleo-conservative capitalist melange of a system, with a dash of socialism mixed in via Medicare.
You posited a link between American obesity and rampant liberalism. But America, by the UK’s example, is not nearly liberal enough as evidenced by the lack of national health care. Therefore, some countervailing force must be at work, to wit: conservatism. Or anti-liberalism if you prefer. I prefer nihilism, actually.