Hello Elon Musk, you are now 10 million rides behind Waymo.
It’s Waymo’s World
Please consider the Wall Street Journal, It’s Waymo’s World. We’re All Just Riding in It.
Unless you live in one of the few cities where you can hail a ride from Waymo, which is owned by Google’s parent company, Alphabet GOOGL, it’s almost impossible to appreciate just how quickly their streets have been invaded by autonomous vehicles.
Waymo was doing 10,000 paid rides a week in August 2023. By May 2024, that number of trips in cars without a driver was up to 50,000. In August, it hit 100,000. Now it’s already more than 250,000.
This is not just because Waymo is expanding into new markets. It’s because of the way existing markets have come to embrace self-driving cars.
In California, the most recent batch of quarterly data reported by the company was the most encouraging yet. It showed that Waymo’s number of paid rides inched higher by roughly 2% in both January and February—and then increased 27% in March.
The numbers also showed that Waymo’s cars are self-driving toward an inflection point: They were novel—and now they’re becoming normal.
This is a crucial phase of the classic diffusion curve that explains how people adopt new technology. From the Model T to ChatGPT, there is a long history of magical products that come along and follow a similar path to success.
At first, these innovations appeal to a niche market of tech geeks and early adopters. Only then do some of those products become part of everyday life. It tends to happen gradually, then suddenly, so it can be hard to recognize those breakthroughs in real time.
But if you study the Waymo data, you can see that curve taking shape.
It cracked a million total paid rides in late 2023. By the end of 2024, it reached five million. We’re not even halfway through 2025 and it has already crossed a cumulative 10 million. At this rate, Waymo is on track to double again and blow past 20 million fully autonomous trips by the end of the year.
In the coming weeks, Tesla is planning to unveil the robotaxi service that Elon Musk has long promised. Waymo has the first-mover advantage, but the company is not profitable and it has burned through billions of dollars to make the surreal dream of self-driving cars a reality. The world’s richest man is betting that he has a less expensive strategy to help Tesla catch up.
But the longer that Waymo has the only driverless cars on the road, the bigger its lead gets.
It’s becoming more popular in the places that it has already conquered even as it pushes into new cities. Earlier this year, it entered Austin, Texas, through a partnership with Uber. This summer, it’s planning to launch in Atlanta. Next on the list are Miami and Washington, D.C. The cars are now mapping Boston, Nashville, New Orleans, Dallas, Las Vegas and San Diego. This past week, the company announced that it’s testing Orlando, Houston and San Antonio. Waymos have even crossed the ocean to begin collecting data in Tokyo.
The success of robotaxis will ultimately depend on this sort of change in human behavior—and the latest data indicates the shift is already under way.
“This isn’t science fiction,” Mawakana recently told CNBC. “It’s not the future. It’s happening now.”
In the Waymo-crazy Bay Area, people are eager to be ferried by self-driving cars to the airport. If they fly to Phoenix, they can already get picked up by a Waymo and dropped off curbside for their flight back. The company has finished mapping San Francisco International Airport but hasn’t given a timeline for Waymos operating there.
The company now has a safety record over more than 50 million driverless miles—the equivalent of driving across America roughly 20,000 times.
Six years ago, Musk tantalized investors and consumers with his prediction that robotaxis were just a year away. Now it might be a matter of days. His company is planning a June launch of its own ride-hailing service in Austin, where empty Teslas could soon find themselves at traffic lights next to driverless Waymos.
Competition is Good
Elon Musk has been promising Full Self Driving (FSD) for decades. He is now 10 million rides behind.
Waymo has far superior technology. Anyone who disagrees is a fool or a liar. However, Musk is correct, Waymo is losing money on these rides.
For now, Waymo’s technology is far more expensive. But will that price differential be significant 10 years from now? 5? 3?
Waymo has a proven safety record. Tesla has nothing. And we still have serious doubts about Tesla in rain, snow, dust storms etc.
Finally, competition in EVs is heating up. Without FSD that works in all conditions Tesla has nothing.
What Happened to Self-Driving Trucks?
I thought self-driving trucks would happen first because point-to-point interstate driving is conceptually simple, and city driving is far more complex.
I was wrong about trucks. But self-driving in general is right on schedule.
Robo-Taxis have arrived. And as expected, without Musk.
My expectation now is trucks will not lag by much and will explode faster when it does happen. There is too much of a cost advantage to eliminating truck drivers for this not to happen. The starting point for trucks will still be interstate.


What are those cars and Waymo doing encroaching over the stop line?
I read an article some months ago explaining why self driving taxis will never succeed.
I can’t find the link but in a nutshell – Waymo has to purchase these vehicles (with all the cameras and tech each car is big bucks) – they also have to service, insure and repair them. Also there it the massive infrastructure behind the scenes required to operate them.
Compare that to UBER and Lyft…. they have far less infrastructure but more importanly they do not own the vehicles… that is how they are able to offer rates far lower than a standard taxi service….and still turn a profit.
WAYMO simply cannot compete. the business model is completely flawed and makes no sense. One major operator has realized this and exited. WAYMO is a botomless pit
Wrong as usual. Here’s some reading:
And they will continue to lose billions because:
Waymo vehicles are not cheap! Each one costs about $200K to deploy. Recapturing this CapEx is a tall order, and it makes Waymo’s prospects less clear. https://loeber.substack.com/p/20-waymo-the-leapfrog
Then there are repairs, servicing, tires, and all the other ongoing costs.
UBER does not have such costs… they have slave labour who pay the costs.
A New $5.6 Billion Injection Hasn’t Made Waymo Cheaper, Faster – Self-Driving Rides Still Cost More, Take Much Longer Than Taxis Per Report
Simply posting a press release from WAYMO is hardly likely to win you are argument hahaha… DUG
That “slave labor” disappears once autonomous cars take over the roads and humans are prohibited from driving.
And reading challenged as always, the article I posted is from the WSJ, NOT Waymo.
Do you recall the proverb about staying quiet and letting people think you are a fool, rather than opening your mouth and confirming their belief?
How many billion will it lose before the plug is pulled haha you are mentally ill
It appears as though they have succeeded remarkably well. Millions of rides is nothing to be pushed aside. This is the future of taxis no doubt, and eventually automobiles overall. Once the people are comfortable enough with it, and that may take some time. It will go full blown around the World!! Nothing can stop this “Except Governments” and even that will become a stretch once it can be performed in a basement…
You appear to not understand my comment.
How much has Waymo lost?
It’s unclear exactly how much money Alphabet is spending on Waymo, but a collection of Alphabet’s experimental businesses that includes Waymo had an operating loss of about $2 billion in the first half of this year.
They lose money on every ride… a lot.
GM shut due to this being a non feasible businesshttps://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/general-motors-drop-development-cruise-robotaxi-2024-12-10/
If I sold one ounce gold mint coins for $500 and I took this business public… I assume you consider this a success and invest?
DUH
Let me repeat – UBER will always undercut self driving cars cuz UBBER doesnt pay for the cars. If WAYMO raises prices to stop the losses… their rides go to zero
Get it?
– Alphabet-owned driverless vehicle unit Waymo just closed (2024) a $5.6 billion funding round to expand its robotaxi service across the U.S.
CFO Ruth Porat had announced in July that the Google parent would commit up to $5 billion in a multiyear investment to Waymo.
> Money is not the issue…
– Waymo co-CEOs Tekedra Mawakana and Dmitri Dolgov said they would use the funding to expand and “continue advancing” their technology.
> With Over $10 Billion in very recent investments in there pocket already…
Get it?
Alphabet’s 2024 profits were $100 billion. They aren’t running short of cash. D’oh.
Interesting comment wrt fully self-driving vehicles and liability law:
On ‘Self-Driving’ Cars in [Market-Ticker]
What do you find “interesting” about it? Sounds like Dennings usual unfocused ramblings.
And the writing style with the bold all over the place and different colors is childish. Just because you CAN do all sorts of things with colors and fonts on web pages doesn’t mean that you should.
Future is here.
AI will vaporize jobs globally.
Trucks (interstate) won’t happen without federal intervention. Setting up in a city only requires negotiating with a single municipality. Interstate goes through so many jurisdictions that it’s likely (except for known point-to-point heavy traffic) not feasible.
In CA licenses for self-drive vehicles are issued at the state level, which caused upset in the nanny county I live in that wanted to pass its own laws on autonomously driven vehicles.
Unknown what the Trump admin will do on this subject, given Trump’s connection to unions.
But I don’t think states can bar interstate commerce on their own.
Ask Jensen Huang who is ahead. I would tend to believe him over a WSJ journalist.
Risk reward.
So telsa missed the boat? Not quite.
Liability issues are in discovery mode. Elon Musk could wait for 2 more years and not have to risk damaging Teslas reputation in driverless cars.
I suspect, the risks out weigh the rewards, at the moment. Market share may be lost, though, I suspect this delay is the right one.
People like yourself have been hoping for a big autonomous car kill event for years. Hasn’t happened and I doubt it will.
But even if it did – There are 41,000+ people killed in car accidents in the USA annually. And hundreds of millions more injured and possibly crippled for life.
Even of autonomous cars killed 1,000 people, it would still be a huge gain compared to 41,000!
Truck Make/Model – Qty. Sold “2023”
Ford F-Series – 750,789
Chevrolet Silverado – 543.319
Ram 1500 – 444,926
GMC Sierra – 295,737
Toyota Tundra – 125,185
Nissan Titan – 19.189
This is from 2023 (what I found quickly), but the “Original Maker” was Ford, and today (Heavy Trucks) they are #1 in sales by a very good margin. I do believe Chevy was right behind them, and not long afterwards, but still #2 and by a decent margin.
So perhaps, based on this limited data point, it does appear First could mean something. In fairness, where it looks like only 2-3 (all new) vehicles will be in this newer example,
I suspect this subset will have a much tighter distance perhaps, as a result. Maybe it starts off 70/30, and moves to 50/50 in short order (1-2 yrs)? I also suspect with the wild ingenuity, money, and creation by these people, it may take a bit to have 5-8 in this field? So not Apples to Apples, it could have merit, and we will see soon enough (June I hear)!
Way mo’ rides …
Wow, so they have waymo than Tesla!
Badum-tish!
Where are all the Luddites at? Crickets.
We don’t know what Waymo is.
10 Million Rides = How Many Unique Riders? Not sure, but it sure as heck is a lot!! They’re in Texas, and other States, and Coming to Massachusetts shortly I do believe. So lots of people seem to be very familiar with them in China and Elsewhere.
I was not one of them myself until today…
The luddites have correctly predicted that self driving technology will not go straight from the innovation phase to late majority adoption, skipping the usual early adopters and early majority. These phases are and will continue to take decades, not years. We might be somewhere near the end of innovation and the beginning of early adoption. It will be another decade or more before we see even 30% of the cars and trucks on the road with full self driving tech.
I believe Musk is showing the 2025 SDV that Tesla has been working on and talking about for some time now. This will directly compete with any and all SDV’s and quickly. I would expect to see them on the road in America and fully operational by the end of 2025, or by Mid-2026 at the Very Latest…
seen them operate in phoenix and bay area for years. do we go long GOOG girls and boys?
I don’t doubt that one bit, as it’s been awhile, that AZ has been playing around with them: > In 2018, Elaine Herzberg became the first pedestrian to be killed by a self-driving vehicle, when she was hit by an Uber test car in autonomous mode in Tempe, Arizona.
I’ve not ridden in a Waymo vehicle, but I have seen their delivery carts on the Oregon State Campus delivering meals to students. While they operated safely, I did see several hung up by different obstacles including two that were overturned falling off a curb.
A couple weekends back, i was with my son and two grandchildren at an Astros game. From the parking lot, my son put his Tesla in self-driving mode to return to the house. It navigated the parking lot, the congested traffic near the ballpark, and the freeway home flawlessly. Interaction with other drivers was courteous and efficient. From that experience, I believe Tesla will be effectively competing with Waymo very soon.
pal in FL used tesla auto drive when he was drunk and wanted to get home. another idiot i know did the same here in NYC with his tesla when high as a kite on assorted drugs. amerikan trash will love self driving.
Interesting, my son relayed that the car actually monitors the person in driver’s seat; he was test driving a car not particularly paying attention and the car stopped and gave him a message that he needed to be more alert. It also told him that it was his first of five warnings before he would be lock out of the self-driving feature. I guess with Waymo, you just get in back seat. You bring up a good point and I suspect there are other issues that will present themselves to self-driving as time progresses.
Everyone should get into the rickshaw business, do an IPO, and drive around their neighbors to boost the GDP.
the hawt rickshaw driver college girls, in bikinis, in downtown san diego peddling me to hotel after night of debauchery seemed like a dream come true.
Elon Musk is not like Nikola Tesla at all, if anything he is like Thomas Edison: Not an inventive bone in his body, but rather uses money, intimidation, and other forms of coercion to procure IP and make money off of it. Musk didn’t design paypal, and certainly knows absolute ratshit about space travel so you know SpaceX is basically ran by the engineers as well, and Musk didn’t even start Tesla motors, he just bought it with Daddy’s Money. I’m not surprised Musk is losing the self driving vehicle contest bc much like Edison, Musk doesn’t have a single creative or innovative bone in his body. All he knows how to do is buy and own and throw his weight around. He doesn’t make SHIT, he just TAKES. Much like Edison. Tesla Motors should have been renamed Edison Motors, bc Elon Musk is no Nikola Tesla.
correct. pals with an old blue blood family in CT whose family invested in edison in an old angel investor network. they didn’t need the massive wealth gained from it, needless to say. but it helps. lovely folks.
Elon should be using his wealth to build himself a secluded playground to do drugs in. This quest for approval is just sad, and has only made many more people hate him.
he’s a freak of nature and a AAA asshole as a human being. who gives a fuck how much shekels he has. it has been hysterical to watch him flush hundreds of millions into trump and have trump ruin him and his business. hat tip our ubermensch fuhrer TACO bell boy.
I was once a TacoBoy…
There’s no one like Nikola Tesla – the mold was broken.
Self driving trucks? My client here in Pittsburgh has news just this month:
https://www.wtae.com/article/aurora-self-driving-truck-driverless-tech/64688896
Waymo is the only entrant in the race, and it is amazing. Not profitable? Does anyone remember the launch of Amazon? Autonomous driving will be much more transformative than Amazon.
i remember Bezos declaring a moratorium on profits about 20 years ago. bwaaaaahhhhhh. i had a stock trader pal in same office as me who was stupid enough to short amazon. for years. do you want to be correct, or broke i used to bust his balls. he only lasted 10 years as a prop trader.
It will be the end of the freedom to go where you want. Self piloted vehicles will be outlawed for safety. If the goons want you, they just wait for you to get in one, and have it bring you to them.
Hopefully I don’t live to see it…. if I do, I’ll be that uncle with a country place, that no one knows about.
Until, and unless, battery technology has a massive leap forward, selfdriving
interstate trucking will be a pipe dream. The weight of the battery and the cost of the trucks will be a limiting factor. Check out the cost differential between battery and diesel and you’ll get the picture. I’m not saying that this enormous spread can’t be overcome but do we really want these super heavy trucks replacing our entire trucking population? What with AI already poised to replace millions of workers in the years ahead is it wise and prudent to think this is the best way forward? Is this the world we want. I would recommend to the readers of this post to find or steal – it’s expensive – a copy of Alice Friedemann’s When the Trucks Stop Running and Life After Fossil Fuels. There’s an education and wake up call embedded in those two books and they changed my total outlook on where we are headed.
Adjust your binoculars out and take a long view. Every single one of these technologies require massive inputs of fossil fuels – and always will, so to think that this can go on forever is a fools pursuit.
Self-driving does NOT imply EV
I imagine self-driving diesel
As always, unions are going to be a sticking point for adoption of anything AI related that eliminates union jobs or reduces union power.
BUT: Studies indicate that Waymo’s autonomous vehicles have a significantly lower crash rate compared to human drivers, contributing to overall road safety improvements.
Problem with trucks is that the blow tires very often, brakes overheat (hence the escape ramps) etc. And they also have to deal with absent minded drivers of cars in front of them or on the side, thieves etc. Self-driven trucks will be robbed frequently.
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heil hitler
That big orange butt ain’t gonna kiss itself. This is how you secure that valued position: https://youtu.be/WtLkhSgfSqc
Kiss it, or join the untermensch.
Mish great post, wonder how long Waymo can operate at a loss? This will be crucial to its future viability. I always wondered what the expected time line is for negative profitability vs investor expectation.
Since they’ll make up the losses on volume, they can operate indefinitely.
sarc
Waymo is currently using Jaguars. They are in negotiations with both Toyota and Kia for far less expensive vehicles. And Lidar costs have been crashing over the last few years as competition increases. As production increases google is bending the cost curve far lower, so you can expect profitability in the next 2 years. Tesla’s advantage is vertical integration, so theoretically lower costs and/or higher profits. But they need a few years to prove themselves, and Musk has some needed reputation fixes.
I don’t think he’ll go to rehab, and if he doesn’t, the spiral will deepen.
Elon has done serious reputational damage to the Tesla brand. Sales are down in Europe and most of the world. MAGA was never into the whole green EV thing and he’s alienated everyone else with his nazi saluting MAGA politics.
Just wait till dems take back Congress and Executive branch and start axing all his government contracts as payback.
I’m thinking of put LEAP options on Tesla but there is still too much time left in this political cycle to pull the trigger.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sales-collapse-in-canada-quebec-drop-85-percent-q1-2025-5
Tesla sales in Québec plunged 85% in the first quarter, mirroring sharp declines seen in Europe.Canada has frozen $43 million in Tesla EV rebates due to Trump’s tariffs and fraud concerns.Musk’s DOGE work sparked backlash, boycotts, and dealership vandalism across the US and Europe.
Some of Tesla’s fall can be attributed to Musks political adventures but not all of it.
Telsa has stagnated. Other than the disaster that is the cyber truck it hasn’t introduced anything new since the model Y in 2020. All the other models are even older. Tesla doesn’t do refreshes like most manufacturers so now it’s 5-10 year old models look really dated and there is nothing on the horizon.
In other words I don’t think you need to wait for 3 1/2 more years before you buy those puts. I’ve been expecting a major crash since long before Trump got elected. Sooner or later everyone is going to figure it out.
The cybertruck is Elon’s fault too. He insisted they spend the majority of their R&D on it for a decade. That’s why they’re where they are.
Elon’s moron luck has run out. He’s just a regular moron with winnings from a lucky streak and a troupe of monkey’s on his back now.
His flameout will be fascinating. I hope it lasts a decade.
musk is a druggie white trash bastard producer.
and a nazi hate monger, to boot.
Canada
Frozen
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– Elon has done serious reputational damage to the Tesla brand. > Actually that would be the MSM & Democrat “Talking Heads” as the “Tesla Brand” is doing just fine.
– Sales are down in Europe and most of the world. > Yep, for all Vehicles whether owned by Elon or Djhfvgthjvh, they are all hurting…
– MAGA was never into the whole green EV thing and he’s alienated everyone else with his nazi saluting MAGA politics. > This is not about Green EV’s and the salute was a false flag of epic proportions. This is about New Technology and A better way of life. With Millions of rides, and very few incidents at this point it’s here now and ready to go!!!
– Just wait till dems take back Congress and Executive branch and start axing all his government contracts as payback. > Are we talking 2040’s by chance?
When will I be able to purchase an FSD car?
With the Baby Boomer generation gradually losing their ability to drive safely it would be a great help if reasonable priced self driving vehicle services were available. Seniors could stay at home longer and not need to drive to shopping or the doctors appointment. Hoping that Self Driving vehicles can become affordable and readily available services at all hours of the day.
If I was a 90 yr old baby boomer who couldn’t drive, I would be careful about getting into a self driving car in the dystopian future. Could be a one way ride to a Soylent Green facility.
hail an uber waymo.
These are Taxis, so NO driving is involved. You call, it shows up with nobody, you get in and go where you want. Very few accidents now, and significantly less than Human Driver’s of ALL Ages.
Having been watching all of these older Baby Boomers driving is scary. With this evolution, they can still have mobility! It’s awesome for our Elders and the Economy!!
Already on every fairway and green for decades. What’s to invent?
As a baby boomer with over a million miles of accident-free driving, I don’t believe humans are sufficiently skilled and focused to drive safely. I include myself. Luck lasts only so long.
You are right. Have you seen all the clowns in the road staring at their phones while driving, thinking that they are excellent multitaskers?
Driving around sf 5 or so months ago. Waymo were the only vehicles driving by the rules of the road. People in sf seem pretty chill about waiting. Wonder how thats gonna work in other cities.
With as many indians as there are, that’s not saying much.
Elmo’s latest test.
Tesla FSD ignores school bus lights and hits ‘child’ dummy in staged demo.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/30/selfdriving_tesla_accident/
Just another example of why industrialization is not coming back to the US. The American consumer likes it when we can get it cheaper. Anything that raises the input cost of a product is going to also raise the selling price. I don’t know many people who are willing to pay a higher price for a product just because it’s made in the USA. Considering that the world manufacturing quality has been raised up considerably, we cant compete on a labor basis for manufacturing. However, we do excel in the service industry.
and cooking meth and don’t forget the insane clown posse white trash. those poor dumbfucks crack me up.
I SOOO want self-driving vehicles to charge me more than I would pay a Taxi driver. Will Waymo vehicles ultimately have a ROBOT with tits?
do you mean melania ?