What are the Top Reasons for Not Getting Vaccinated?

Morning Consult has an interesting poll in an effort to figure out why the vaccination effort has stalled.

Please consider Why Holdouts Haven’t Gotten a COVID-19 Shot, in Their Own Words

As of Tuesday, 66.2 percent of adults had gotten at least their first shot, shy of the White House’s goal of 70 percent by July 4. That failure underscores just how difficult it is to finish the last stretch of any public health campaign — and a new Morning Consult/Politico survey suggests many unvaccinated adults aren’t budging.

  • Roughly a quarter of respondents in the June 25-28 survey said they were worried about the safety or efficacy of the shots 
  • Another quarter said they didn’t trust the vaccine development process, 
  • 10% of respondents listed misinformation about the vaccines, skepticism of drug companies or general anti-government or anti-vaccine sentiment.
  • Some believe the vaccine affects women’s fertility — a rumor that’s spread on social media but has no scientific basis — while others said they didn’t want to be “guinea pigs” for the shots, which have already been tested in large clinical trials.
  • Another 7 percent said they don’t feel they’re at risk, perhaps because they’ve already had COVID-19. Six percent plan to get the shot but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

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KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Can you blame people for not trusting the authorities? Authorities will always say what they want to be true. Doesn’t mean they always lie. Sometimes they tell the truth. What they want to be true is actually true sometimes. So, when they tell the truth it’s a coincidence. Not some moral imperative to always be truthful.
After Biden’s “Hunters laptop is Russian disinformation” lie and 4 years of Trump being elected “because of Russian interference” lie, who’s dumb enough to believe anything the current administration says.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Or what ANY Administration says, including Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
The only important thing is that some people want to get vaccinated, and others don’t want to. You have to keep in mind that we are in the Disinfomation Age. There is enough “information” on the internet to confuse people on any issue. Keep in mind that as a background, most people have have no scientific training of any kind, particularly in the US, where science education is very poor compared to the the rest of the industrialized world. Since people can’t evaluate science, they simply make a decision based on emotions, and then find “information” on the web that justifies whatever their decision was.
Since that is the process of today, make a decision emotionally, and then justify it with “facts” that they aren’t qualified to determine the truth of, there is no point attempting to convince anyone that their decision is wrong.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Ok, so mind your own p’s and q’s and leave us to make our own choices about the risks we are willing to assume.
As I posted above don’t expect me [or anyone] to embrace YOUR particular fears.  Protect yourself.  Assume that many people w/o masks are NOT vaccinated and don’t give a crap if you get sick or not, live or die.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Exactly, with one exception. The government needs to stop paying for covid treatment. Things need to go back to normal, and part of that is for the healthcare system to go back to normal. It’s easier for people to not give a crap about the healthcare choices that other people make if they don’t have to pay for them.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I’m unsure what you mean by “The government needs to stop paying for covid treatment.”
Do you mean Medicare/Medicaid?  ACA?  Something else?
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
In the U.S. there is a lot of economic support for the health-related choices of others that one might not think wise (such as sedentary lifestyle, excessive consumption of refined sugar, or nutrient-deficient diet).  Singling out this particular choice is arbitrary.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
2 years ago
Interesting site for those who wonder what researchers are finding about various drugs and such-like for Covid treatment.
Not sure how legit it is, but it doesn’t scream silly BS. Which is refreshing.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Thanks!
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
2 years ago
Sheeple.
ThaomasH
ThaomasH
2 years ago
Note that none seemed to have even thought about getting the vaccine to protect other people/  This represents a grave error for PH messaging. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  ThaomasH
Apparently this does not matter to Americans like it once did.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  ThaomasH
Why should I care about protecting other people at the expense of my intellectual disagreement, in order to make you and yours fell comfortable?  Take care of yourself.  If you want to live in fear, then stay the hell home.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
01 Jul 2021 | 18:00 GMT
Free Access to Thousands of COVID-19 Research Documents
Find them in the IEEE Xplore Digital Library
THE INSTITUTE Experts say the COVID-19 virus is likely to be around for some time, even with vaccines, as it continues to spread and mutate. There are still many unknowns, so it’s important to keep researching the coronavirus. That’s why IEEE is making thousands of COVID-related research documents that have been published in its journals available for free.
The open-access documents can be found in the IEEE Xplore Digital Library. There are nearly 2,400 of them, including articles, conference proceedings, and technical standards.
“Some of the content predates COVID but was chosen for its connection to past coronaviruses or other respiratory diseases,” Bill Trippe says. He’s the senior product manager for IEEE Academic Markets and is helping to curate the documents. “IEEE has this unique portfolio, and there’s no other publisher producing this kind of material.”
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Bwahahahaha.  Really?
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Yes, “really”.  As a small time dentist, I can see how you could be unaware of a major organization like the IEEE.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You espoused a point of view and I asked you back it up. Posting a link to a website that aggregates anything written about COVID is not an argument in defense of anything.  
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
This is an example of you posting too much that you can’t remember what thread you are in.  I backed up with the Salk post.
This was another post designed to be helpful to those who are interested in reading Covid related reference documents.  Reading is something you should consider doing more of instead of running your “posting” mouth off here all the time.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Why COVID is like AIDS
Hint: not because the risks are similar.
Alex Berenson
Jun 29, 2021
In 1981, doctors in New York and Los Angeles saw healthy young men sicken and die within months, their immune systems apparently destroyed.
The deaths set off a frantic search for the culprit. By 1983 virologists had identified a novel pathogen they would call Human Immunodeficiency Virus.
Over the next decade, scientists learned much more about HIV, which early on had a fatality rate close to 100 percent, worse even than Ebola or smallpox. Ultimately they tamed it – perhaps the greatest success for scientific and medical research in the late 20th century.
But the political story of AIDS is much trickier. Scientists realized quickly that gay men and intravenous drug users were at far higher risk of contracting HIV than the general public. But they feared people might not support funding for AIDS research – and stigmatize those groups further – if they explained that reality openly.
So they didn’t.
As Smithsonian Magazine reported in 2013:
“Federally-funded campaigns sought to address a large number of people from all backgrounds–male, female, homosexual or heterosexual. The America Responds to AIDS campaign, created by the CDC, ran from 1987 to 1996 and became a central part of the “everyone is at risk” message…
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Alex Berenson?  Oh please. Mr. “marijuana causes mental illness.”. He has no standing of any kind.
i quote:
“the findings suggest that for people under 60, weight loss would be the single best way to reduce the risk of Covid – probably even more than a vaccine (and with no side effects). “
This is a  complete representation…what it showed was that losing weight might lead to better outcomes. It would in NO WAY WHATSOEVER make you any less likely to contract COVID.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
But it would make you much more likely to RECOVER from Covid, which again is you misunderstanding what you read as you attempt to post your daily hyperventilating, personal experience, blah, blahl, blah plethora of posts here.  Post volume doesn’t equal quality.  Suggest you send more time reading and thinking, rather than feeling that you have to respond to every single post here.  You represent someone who just likes to hear themselves post.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I understand what I read just fine, Jojo.  Whatever I post, I can back it up with some kind of cogent argument. Because I can tell the difference between real evidence and biased crapola. And I make an effort to get at the truth.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“And I make an effort to get at the truth.”
I would disagree.  I’ve read your posts since you first appeared on Mish and it is clear that you are an OLD opinionated dog apparently incapable of learning new tricks that are outside of your locked-in place beliefs. which you hide behind under the guise that they are backed by your interpretation of “the science”.  Science is fluid, almost always changing, which is something you have failed to learn..
As to “cogent argument”, that would be in your own opinion, perhaps backed up by your little clique here but certainly not by majority.
You also have an annoying habit of acting like a mental teenager, haranguing and belittling people you don’t agree with. 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
mRNA aren’t real vaccines.  They release a specific configuration of the spike protein to cause the body to block that configuration This is why mRNA vaccines may not block all variations of Covid.  Additionally, there are research papers pointing to the possibility that the spike protein may of itself cause long-term vascular problems.  This won’t be known for many years.
I would give consideration to taking a true vaccine (live, weakened virus) that would cause my t cells to create a true generalized immunity.
Meanwhile, I have no real fear of Covid and go about my life not worrying about it and refusing to wear masks.  If I get it, there are plenty of drugs to try such as ivermectin, fluvoxamine, budesonide and others.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The two Chinese and the Russian vaccines use weakened viruses and their effectiveness is not very good compared to the RNA vaccines which by the way are true vaccines. 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
This is true.  The question is why are their results lowered than might be expected?  It will take some time for this to be determined.
Meanwhile:
Don’t bother with the article here (Collins is a fool), it’s the comments that are really interesting and important (just as in many blogs).  Some of the comments offer references to articles that posit natural Covid immunity is/will be significantly better than mRNA vaccines can impart.
How Immunity Generated from COVID-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection
Posted on June 22nd, 2021 by Dr. Francis Collins
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Considering that former vaccines against the earlier coronaviruses such as SARS hadn’t worked at all I think we should not put down the Russian and Chinese vaccines. They are an achievement but  were completely blown away by the RNA vaccines which come from a whole new technology much more advanced than those of China and Russia giving much better results. 
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
There actually was a vaccine for SARS that appeared to be safe and effective through phase 2 trials, but by the time they were ready to start Phase 3 trials, SARS was gone, so there was funding for the Phase 3 trials.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Thanks. I didn’t know it got to phase 3.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Research  papers?  Cite your evidence. I call bs. Bring it on out and let’s shine some light on it. I want to see who wrote it.
Funny…..the only vaccines that have been correlated with  vascular problems AFAIK are NOT mRNA vaccines. They’re adenovirus derived vaccines.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease
April 30, 2021
LA JOLLA—Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that they also play a key role in the disease itself.
The paper, published on April 30, 2021, in Circulation Research, also shows conclusively that COVID-19 is a vascular disease, demonstrating exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus damages and attacks the vascular system on a cellular level. The findings help explain COVID-19’s wide variety of seemingly unconnected complications, and could open the door for new research into more effective therapies.
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Oooh…..I love this logic.
Dude, they aren’t talking about the vaccine causing long term problems. They’re talking about the way the spike protein attacks the body when you actually are SICK with COVID and the resulting long term effects of that..
This is a reason TO get vaccinated, Not a reason to avoid vaccination.
Carl_R
Carl_R
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Exactly. Now, it is true that there were two studies related to the spike and mRNA vaccines. One showed that very high levels of the spike protein could damage cells. Another showed that some spike proteins were detectable in blood on days 3-7 after a shot. The level, however, was 1/100,000th of the level in the first study.  People opposed to vaccination say “spikes get into the blood, and that can lead to damage”, while people favoring vaccination say “spikes are only present for a very short time, and even then at a barely detectable level, so low that it could not lead to significant problems”.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
This is why the mRNA vaccines are still classified as “experimental” and by all rights, should remain so for many years into the future until all these possible issues can be fleshed out.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
No, you’re reading comprehension is lacking.  What part of this did you not understand?
“In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.”
The mRNA vaccines deliver or cause the body to create the spike protein configuration used by Covid in order to train the immune system to be able to react to future Covid contact.  
The question is, how much (if any) long-term damage is being done to the vascular system until the training spike protein is [hopefully] all cleared from a person’s body? 
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
I watched a Youtube clip of a couple of women testifying to Senator Ron Johnson about her severe adverse reaction and the other her daughter’s severe adverse reaction to the Covid vaccines. They were holding back tears as they testified.
Ivermectin has no such severe side effects. It is also obvious to me that it does have efficacy against Covid. The corrupt public health authorities are blocking it for reasons other than medical insufficiency. They potentially endangered my life. I refuse their vaccines.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Ivermectin is a treatment drug and it likely works for prophylaxis (although that part is hard to demonstrate).  I took it, but I was happy to get vaccinated so I could stop taking it. It does nothing to confer long term immunity.
It is quite possible that many of the adverse side effects reported by various individuals could have resulted from inadvertent intravascular injection. This appears to be part of the problem.
i have no wish to hate on people who choose not to be vaccinated. But I see no data that suggests widespread problems.  328 million injections is a LOT of injections. Ron Johnsons rounded up…what…a half dozen people?  
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
A half dozen out of how many severe adverse events? Steve Kirtch said his carpet cleaner told him he had a heart attack two minutes after he got the shot. The CC’s wife also had an adverse neurological reaction that caused a hand to tremble, such that she could not hold a glass of water steady.
My interest in Ivermectin is as outpatient treatment in case i contract Covid. For all i know i have natural immunity to Covid-19 from fighting previous corona viruses. While i haven’t gone out of my way to risk acquiring the virus, i haven’t gotten sick in the last 18 months after numerous trips for groceries. If i have natural immunity, i don’t need the shot. If i get sick, all i need is Ivermectin or Ivermectin+Fluvoximine.
The national health authorities are corrupt and i won’t give them the time of day, anymore.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
And they have killed thousands of Americans because this.  Where is the outrage?
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Dr. John Campbell had a new Youtube on a set of British clinician funded studies on vitamin D and hospitalization.
58,000 people in one study. Apparently, a vitamin D level above a certain amount, kept people out of the hospital.
I would have to guess that the people who died of Covid, generally did so in a hospital. Keeping people out of the hospital would have saved a lot of lives.
Dr. Fauci said in a November 2020 interview that he took 8,000-9,000 IU’s a day during the winter season.
He never made it a point to recommend that the public should take vitamin D.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Watch out you don’t fall in the trap of wanting to make public policy on the strength of anecdotes.
Back of envelope: 100,000,000 / 80 is the number of people among 100 million who will die this year. Divide that by 12 and you get 100 thousand, the number of those 100 million people who will die this month. Or 100,000,000 / 80 / 52 = 25 thousand die this week.
This is not to trivialize that these vaccines are a notable single point of failure. Such might be an inherent feature of virus defense, given that viruses are so simple compared to animals and plants. Now, that’s scary.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Every person in a double blind trial is an anecdote.
The data from the vaccine trials indicated that the absolute risk reduction from getting the shot was only 1%.
i am only 1% more at risk from not being Covaxed, compared to those that are. That is a negligible difference.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
By “anecdotes” I meant onesee twosee items – good stories. And, though just a number, 1000 double blind anacdotes outweigh a good story any day. Though not in our minds and emotions.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
I have no problem with those who do not want to take the vaccine. It is their risk and since Covid is far from being as bad as smallpox, Polio, Bubonic Plague, AIDS, Yellow Fever and other deadly diseases it is a reasonable risk to take. It will be with us for a while and when enough people are immunized either naturally or through a vaccine the disease will subside and become like other ones which under the right conditions can cause death but is benign i the vast majority of cases. New variants will arise but that is true for every other viral and bacterial diseases. If you don’t want to die from it then is is best to not become obese and if you are then lose it. If you are old like me then get the vaccination. After all you have little to lose at this point. To force everyone to get vaccinated would be counterproductive since it is not necessary. In the meantime lots of money is going into research on treatments for viral and bacterial diseases which till now have been the poor cousin in medical research generally. It’s about time.
Dean2020
Dean2020
2 years ago
Seems like there are many scientists commenting. LOL
COVID more of a vascular disease:  link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This explains the strange occurrences that were previously a mystery. The COVID spike proteins damage blood cells and cause coagulation, aka blood clots. This explains the ‘crystallization’ found in lung x-rays, they are clots that restrict the processing of oxygen in the lungs.
The vaccine’s primary function is to elevate these same spike protein sequences to trigger an immune response. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine  contains the spike proteins while the mRNA cocktails instruct your body to create these spike proteins. This explains why some people have reactions, such as blood clots or heart inflammation after being vaccinated. Yes, some people have died but those cases are rare like the 13yrs old boy that died after his second injection. Making fun of people that die from side-effects is really sick. Sad to see that in the comments.
It has been proven that those who recover from COVID have immunity (so far). So should they get vaccinated? Nope.
Are those who are vaccinated protected? Maybe, but since stats indicate 93% effectiveness you don’t want to be in the 7% that get vaccinated then stand the chance of contracting COVID. Plus, there has been no indication a booster will not be required which will elevate the spike protein levels once again.
My point is that science has proven that we need extensive research and time to develop vaccines and monitor for long-term side effects. We have thrown decades of science out the door and rushed to conduct the largest human trial in history. I hope the vaccines are widely successful long-term and side-effects are near zero but science is not built upon hope.
And please don’t follow the MSM sheepherders and make this a political debate. Look at real science, not what politicians tell you is science.
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
2 years ago
Reply to  Dean2020
Stop calling people “sheeple” while at the same time decrying thoughtless comments about people suffering adverse effects, including deaths from the vaccine. If you truly want to keep things on the basis of science and not “politics” then lead by example.
Dean2020
Dean2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
Please read carefully and ask clarifying questions. There is never a shortage of ignorance. There are plenty of politically charged sheepherders in the MSM that don’t have the best interest of people in mind. Very few people can debate the science due to their lack of knowledge but simply choose to regurgitate misinformation because they heard this misinformation is backed by science.
For example, look at how India quickly got their healthcare system under control when vaccine distribution was extremely limited. If you actually check it out you’ll notice most of the MSM provides misleading information while the reports on the ground indicate otherwise. The government finally blasted the WHO then used scientifically proven alternative methods to quickly reduce cases and deaths. A stunning 97% reduction with assistance of alternative measures.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
My comment got rejected for violating the guidelines. I have no idea why.  AFAIK  there was zero reason. None at all.
Short version. 157 million vaccinated and 3 likely deaths in the US.
157 million vaccinated and of those, 5208 people have died, period, as of a few days back,. All causes, including natural causes and accidents.
But…..assuming ALL of them died from the jab, I make the odds of dying from vaccination to be  .0017% or (check me on my math) roughly 1 in 58000.
The odds of getting hit by lightning in your lifetime is 1 in 15300.
Not enough clinical trials?  Last December that might have made sense. Now we have 3 billion plus people vaccinated world-wide. How much data do you need?
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
time ?  to see the effects
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
With sixty years of administering mass vaccinations for a variety of diseases to go on, the data shows that almost all severe side effects ever noted were evident within 2 months.
mRNA vaccines are not new. Adenovector vaccines are not new. Only COVID is new, 
I still maintain that many of the people who are afraid to get vaccinated have been influenced by the anti-vax “movement”. And no movement was ever based on less evidence than that one.  
I take care of a lot of autistic kids and now autistic adults as well. All of us would like to know why so many people are affected by this disease in particular, and unfortunately vaccinations were blamed…but by a crooked UK doctor who subsequently went to jail for faking his own data to try to extort money from pharmaceutical companies. The damage from this man’s crime has probably caused more harm than all the vaccinations ever given.
You can never quite get the genie back in the bottle in this day of social media-driven bad information.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
How much data do we need?  You really mean how much data does the government need in order take this jab off of the experimental list and on to the approved list.
Have you ever looked at the government website  Vaers?  link to wonder.cdc.gov
I just looked and under the death column it lists 4,159 .  Mind you this is a voluntary government website and its WAY under reported. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
I’d guess that VAERS numbers are actually very likely OVER-REPORTED, for the following reason. (I took the following from the VAERS homepage,)
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone .
The  following is an assessment by the CDC of the actual adverse affects observed….
if you scroll down you will see another caveat they make about VAERS:
” Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. “
The entire conclusion is worth pasting, as it represents the real bottom line:
“Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 324 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 28, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,718 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the link to cdc.gov, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.”
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
LOL, you are believing anything that officials of government are telling you? After they have lied to you for over a year? Please don’t say they have not, I don’t have the time to list all of them. Fool me once your fault, fool me twice my fault.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
You read me wrong. I trust the government not at all. Yes, there have been many lies, mostly really stupid stuff, too. I made a reply to your earlier comment about Dr. Campbell, whom I greatly admire. I mentioned what I thought of Fauci and evidently it was enough to get me a violation of the C of C and the entire comment went poof..
If you pay attention , you will see that I look for the real evidence wherever I can find it, and I gleefully go after the crap and shred it.. The problem is that a  lot of people can’t tell one from the other. Or they’re just looking for something to reinforce their bias.
You can’t attack me by suggesting  I’m some kind of true believer. Frankly, that dog won’t hunt. I’m not nearly as credulous as some of you guys, who will believe anything as long as it supports you personal POV. I’m appalled at how dumb some people can be.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
No attack intended. I like you are looking for truth, and it’s hard to find nowadays. From my view, The gov is either totally corrupt, or , totally stupid.  I vote corrupt. As far as any health care goes, I am older, and honestly do not use formal healthcare, unless I have to, which fortunately almost never happens. 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Katusa explains very well the MMT underpinnings. He is also very correct when he says that both parties are fully onboard. We saw that in Spring 2020. Still in the middle of the book. Either I will finish it tonight or be watching the fifth season of The Expanse. Haven’t decided yet.  
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
He indulges in a lot futurism, but he has cogent and persuasive arguments…that obviously come from a lot of experience.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
He looks behind the veil to the underlying deep currents of money.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Surprised only 7% are hesitant to inoculate themselves after recovery — that is my main reason for distrust, b/c it makes no sense that they are not first doing an antibody test for seroconverted people.
Statistically, more deaths have been registered for this than all other vaccines for the past 20 years.
Particularized risk for healthy young people indicates statistically the vaccine poses greater risks than does Covid, without even considering the unknown future of this cytotoxic S1 protein. The continual exaggeration of statistics and lack of context in comparisons is more than enough reason to distrust the whole narrative. Losing excess weight is almost as effective as the vaccine itself, without discounting that your risk of actually contracting Covid is not 100% (as when you get injectd).
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Risk calculations only involve death at this point, and there’s all kind of weird stuff survivors end up with.  I have a friend that ended up no longer able to feel thirst (ended up in the hospital dehydrated over that one),  and was also awarded brain fog and tinnitus.  Was really sad hearing him stop and hunt for words, he was a really intelligent guy.  I hope it gets better.
QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Long COVID may well end up having a not-insignificant burden on the health system in the long term. What’s also crazy is that there have been cases of Long COVID affecting folks who only had mild COVID illness.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
I got both shots, and died immediately each time, my rigor mortis forcing my arm in to a nazi salute to the nearest picture of AOC.
Luckily I got reincarnated both times.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your a lightweight, I got all 3, and boy am i proud.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
What did you come back as?  The second time I came back as an Irish Setter, and it makes typing really difficult.  On the plus side, my grocery bill went way down.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
lol, to my disappointment I came back as Realist…I’m screwed
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Well let’s see,
If something goes wrong, you can’t sue, non liability
I hear obumercare next year going up 30%,
the jab is free, but not the problems it is causing for the next how many years
Still in experimental stage
Government has been lying about ALL aspects of covid19 for 18 months
Ever since biden got the jab he has been acting strange , cannot put two sentences together
kamala has been acting strange since she got the jab, she laughs at everything including border people
And of course this:
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
I’ve noticed since the election that you just don’t hear much about Kamala… even less than we did o’l Whitey Pence.  Best case, she’s doing nothing. Worst case, she’s secretly CEO of Pedo Pizza Kitchen.  I’m just asking questions!
Joe hasn’t been able to string together 2 coherent sentences for the last 5 years.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Thank God we don’t hear much from her, she’s a special piece of work….
Maybe joe got the jab 5 years ago?  lol
Blurtman
Blurtman
2 years ago

The US has shown a steady decline in public confidence in official institutions. A recently-published study by link to poynter.orgfound that Americans have the lowest trust in media of adults in 46 countries. The press has been a major channel for messaging about the desirability of getting vaccinated and Covid generally.

And if you have been paying attention at all, the official responses to Covid have been so obviously politicized as to undermine confidence. The flip flop on masks. The flip flop (and maybe flop back) on the lab leak theory). The failure to acknowledge asymptomatic transmission (yet the full court press to vaccinate teens and children would seem to be all about that). CDC chief Rochelle Wallesnky (along with some public service ads) falsely saying the Covid vaccines prevent getting infected. The failure to acknowledge aerosol transmission, and even now, muddled discussions on official sites. The “mission accomplished” approach, over the objections of the national and largest California nurses’ unions. Readers no doubt can add to this list.

In other words, the US has aggressively pre-positioned itself to have difficulty in getting compliance if its wager on the vaccines doesn’t work out as planned and it has to exhort the public to engage in non-pharmaceutical interventions again, like masking up and staying largely at home.

Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
Reply to  Blurtman
Maybe another failure : attempts to prevent the use of old cheap medicines that seem to work
Hansa Junchun
Hansa Junchun
2 years ago
Here’s mine:
“I KNOW who made these novel medications (“vaxxes”)– and I know what happened EVERY time they introduced a novel medication in the last 20 years: They advertise it everywhere, they push it through the doctors, it sells fast for a time UNTIL the casualties start to mount and the FDA pulls it, the lawsuits start to fly, the settlement is paid out, and the cycle is started again. The cost of the settlement (and the bodies) is the cost of doing business.”
–Gen-X
Of course, the kicker this time is that there is no possibility of settlement for casualties thanks to our captured government.
Dutoit
Dutoit
2 years ago
In France some people want to impose vaccination, some only to medical staff, some other to everyone.
A french lawyer proposed something interesting I think : obligatory vaccination should be possible only if
pharmaceutical firms (and politicians that would impose vaccination) renounce the immunity that they have now,
if it happens that the vaccines are harmful.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
2 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
But what happens when hundreds of millions, or billions, sue for damages? How much can they afford to give each plaintiff? And where’s that money coming from?
No amount of money is worth your health. And I’m willing to bet that the settlements would be far below the damage caused.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
No one is liable, that was part of the deal. Thanks goes out to our geniuses we elect in congress for that…
numike
numike
2 years ago
Had only received one vaccine link to apnews.com

BRUSSELS
(AP) — Luxembourg Prime Minister Xavier Bettel remained hospitalized
and under observation for a second day Monday because he has been unable
to shake a bout of COVID-19 that developed over a week ago.

numike
numike
2 years ago
fine pass on the polio and the small pox vax
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
2 years ago
Reply to  numike
Those vaccines were tested for yrs before mass distribution and have been in use for decades.
The covid vax is currently in the trial phase. Anyone who gets it should at least be grown up enough to accept that they are taking part in a vaccine trial.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
Well try the covid then.  I’m sure that’s much safer.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I did. It was nothing at all to me or my family (not even equivalent to a regular cold).
Unironically I am in the 7% that feels immune and indeed I and the misses are Gen-X just as the 7% suggests that prime of life healthy adults have little to fear.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
2 years ago
The #1 reason: idiocy.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
Unfortunately covid tends to take them out AFTER they’ve reproduced.
Irondoor
Irondoor
2 years ago
I had a very severe case of Covid in October. Passed out and had to have treatment at the emergency room. Very ill for 11 days with low oxygen levels, fever, muscle aches, etc. The usual, but at age 76, it was difficult. Then I got the first shot and my reaction to it was very similar to my symptoms of Covid. Again, sick for about 5 days and my oxygen and breathing capacity has never returned to normal. I don’t need to deal with it, and won’t be getting the second shot unless my doctor tells me that my life depends on it. I did have very high levels of antibodies after Covid, but am not sure of what they are now. I will be avoiding unnecessary travel and large crowds, which i don’t do anyway and won’t affect my lifestyle. 
Hansa Junchun
Hansa Junchun
2 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor
If you had it, why did you take the shot? I simply don’t get it.
I had it bad in April 2020, bedridden for seven weeks, with lingering long-term heart sensations until THIS April. My co-worker at school got it this April, and told me he had symptoms just like mine — only he was out of work a week and a half and was up and about the whole time. Then he said “I can’t get the vax for one month” but promptly got it two weeks afterward. 
But why? THIS YEAR’s covid is much less severe than last year’s, I can tell you. But nobody trusts their own immunity? We all got better, right? That means our immunity works fine. Why not trust it? Why leap to get a novel medication from proven failures like Pfizer and Moderna?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor
You are one of the few people I’ve heard of that have a legitimate reason to not get that shot.  I hope your immunity stays.

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