Bizarre Interview
“Like I told Barack, if I reach something where there’s a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I’ll develop some disease and say I have to resign.”
Joe Biden is asked about his disagreements with Kamala Harris on certain issues:
“Like I told Barack, if I reach something where there’s a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I’ll develop some disease and say I have to resign.” pic.twitter.com/SLcvrwaPCA
— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 4, 2020
In the interview Biden says that when he was VP under Obama, that if he had a moral disagreement with Obama, he would have developed a disease and resigned.
If he has one now with Kamala Harris, he as president, would resign.
A strict interpretation of that interview is more than a bit bizarre should such a disagreement happen. But It does sound like he is kidding.
And the point of the interview was that he and Harris would not have major moral dispute.
Regardless, this will play into allegations that Harris will call the shots and that Biden will not last four years.
Mish
Why doesn’t she just resign now and get it over with?
Biden and harris named person of the year and they havent done anything to earn it. and I am sure from here on out they will mess up everything they touch. GFL
Welcome to the new full swamp government. It will be very stingy.
No more ‘stimulus’ for the peasantry. All the leftist serfs will be ditched to starve and die. They are no longer needed. Neither are elections.
We will be ruled by faceless committee, and very soon A.I.
It should have happened a good while ago.
Trump was just an unforeseen (and sometimes hilarious) diversion….
You can be certain that we will never permit such foolishness to happen again.
ok, now listen, this is all planned out and this is why the dems cheated to the hilt. They thought Hillary would win in 2016 bc they cheated but Trump got way more support than the dems thought he would. This year, in 2020, they made sure Biden would win by stopping the polling people from counting and then bringing in all these boxes and cases of ballots all for Biden. Seriously, this is cheating to the hilt!!! Praying it all will be revealed and justice be served for these treasonous acts!!!
ok, now listen, this is all planned out and this is why the dems cheated to the hilt. They thought Hillary would win in 2016 bc they cheated but Trump got way more support than the dems thought he would. This year, in 2020, they made sure Biden would win by stopping the polling people from counting and then bringing in all these boxes and cases of ballots all for Biden. Seriously, this is cheating to the hilt!!! Praying it all will be revealed and justice be served for these treasonous acts!!!
Biden will resign when instructed to do so by TPTB. And when he does, the unsuspecting nation is going to learn a lesson in California politics.
The potted plant speaks. But hey, what did you expect. You voted for the guy.
Mish, it sounds a lot more to me like he is saying that if the two of them had a profound moral disagreement he would expect Harris the VP to resign. Notice he did not say that when he was VP under Obama he expected the president to resign in the event of a disagreement.
By the way I still cannot edit my own posts so once again see you later alligator.
I still cannot create my own posts (to exist for more than a second or two)
Well now … maybe something is finally corrected after several weeks of continued “nogo”
I would have to read the whole interview but from your telling of it I interpret it as “Harris would have to resign if she had a moral dispute with me”. I think that is everyone’s choice when they have to follow someone else. Of course it makes it a lot easier if you have no morals.
I listened to the clip and I don’t see Biden resigning if he had a moral disagreement with Harris. What I heard was Biden saying he would have resigned as VP under Obama
I think you reached there Mish, if one were going to extrapolate it would be Harris who would have to resign but I don’t see that scenario. If anything Harris signed onto being an active VP and having a wide portfolio , being Biden’s man on the ground. Harris will not be a Dan Quayle by mutual agreement.
Exactly. It was obvious what Biden said. The whole point of the line of conversation was to realize there is not much difference in fundamental values. I doubt the same was ever true of Trump and Pence. One day soon Pence will wake up and realize his life has been tarnished by Trump. The same will not ever happen to Biden or Harris.
The base would rather elect Don jr, a man with zero political experience and even less business acumen and success than his recidivist bankrupt father and who takes his political advice from a college drop out and white nationalist.
Pence only had one job, to make Donald Trump seem acceptable to Evangelicals
I said that from day one, when he announced her as his VP.
When is AOC President? I’m holding out for Green New Deal for a government paid solar panel roof and siding for my house in Bailoutland , Illinois.
Sooner than you think!
If you think?!?
Still wouldn’t be in the top 100 batshit crazy things Trump has said and done.
President harris who found her political calling by laying on her back…
Really?
That is a pretty pathetic comment from the “Grab em by the pussy” crowd.
How many marriages, hookers and blow along the way for your hero? How much lusting for underage girls? How much fondling of Ivanka?
When Kamala Harris is paying for the silence of toy boys, get back to me.
It comes from far more directions and views than the grab em by the pussy crowd.
Cleopatra.
I am up for President Harris.
Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, was that not the plan all along??? Does anyone actually think they voted for Biden??? OMG please, that was the point of NOT voting for biden. Sheeessh!
Biden=demented old man who lost his moral compass 47 years ago
Georgetown Law professor Rosa Brooks organized 67 legal scholars, retired military officers, former senior government officials and political strategists —let’s call them the Transition Integrity Project— to act out every imaginable post-election scenario, how exactly would Trump pull off this supposed coup?
Well, months before the election, someone actually did this and wrote a report (pdf) about ways Trump could conceivably steal the election that he’s totally not doing. But what would Trump hypothetically do?
Well, here are all seven of the possible steps Trump would take if a close and contested election was “resolved through the exercise of power, not through the courts.”
Calling for recounts in all states in which victory was not already apparent.
Launching coordinated investigations at the state and federal levels into alleged “voting irregularities” in an effort to undermine public confidence in results that did not go Trump’s way and/or alter the results.
Attempting to halt the counting of mail-in ballots by filing cases in state court or leaning on Republican leaders to stop vote counting or to certify a result early, without waiting for the certified results from the secretary of state.
Turning out their well-organized and committed base to take to the streets in Trump’s favor, in part by disseminating disinformation about the danger posed by pro-Biden demonstrators (e.g., by suggesting likely Antifa violence, etc.).
Relying on both FOX News and right-wing social media to echo and amplify pro-Trump messages and facilitate the harassment and bullying of election officials, to cause chaos and delay and/or to intimidate officials into taking actions that benefited Team Trump
Using federal agencies to justify or support Trump campaign tactics. In one of the more aggressive moves undertaken in one of the TIP exercises, Team Trump had Attorney General Bill Barr order the seizure of mail-in ballots to ensure that vote counting would stop.
While these may sound like this TIP team can see into the future, none of their predictions are shocking. It’s when they get to the military coup part that I started worrying.
Read it for yourself.
The one area of genuine uncertainty related to whether Team Trump could convince the military to deploy active duty troops domestically. In the scenario, the military refused to support Team Trump, but there was concern that this reflected “recency bias” given that the exercises were run shortly after participants observed the military’s cautiousness in the wake of the June 1, 2020 events in Lafayette Square…
Of particular concern are the President’s ability to federalize the national guard; to deploy the military domestically; to launch investigations into opponents and to freeze their assets; and even to control communication in the name of national security. The politicization of the Department of Justice adds an additional worrying dimension, including whether and how the agency could provide legal cover for the President’s actions.
The team eventually concluded that the military leaders would almost certainly refuse to carry out his unconstitutional orders. But what if the military leaders weren’t military leaders?
According to the New York Times, days after his election loss, Trump fired four top officials at the Pentagon, replacing them with loyal supporters, including naming an acting defense secretary, including one who called Obama a “terrorist leader” and another who was kicked out of the National Security Council for clashing with the top brass. Then, Trump put Michael Ellis, another MAGAficionado, in charge of the National Security Agency’s legal team. Then he ousted the person in charge of defeating ISIS.
And, while it is doubtful if the new guys have the power to kick out the country’s actual military commanders, perhaps they won’t need to. As soon as Chris Miller was installed as defense secretary, one of his first moves was to take the special forces from the military leadership and put them under his civilian command, Politico reports.
Of course, there’s the fact that Trump is also pressuring state legislators to overturn the will of the voters. Then there are his convicted felon friends asking him to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. Also, have I mentioned the GOP’s plans to challenge the Electoral College?
A lot of unsubstantiated speculation & a flight of fantasy.
Forget about coup that looks too much like coup.
Sure, ignore what is going on…
If they organized that, they would not try to find fraud. They would have created fraud in order to ease that “coup”. Creating something huge. You don’t prepare such a coup without preparation, in a total improvisation. Remember that at first the world thought Trump would won again due to the lead in the remaining states, until the change after the night of 4th November.
At the moment, they struggle to find enough convincing proofs. So I’m pretty sure it’s false. He really seems to overreact such as someone that is convinced he’s fooled.
Given the different accusations and the nature of these, it looks like a dog chasing after the huge anomalies of the elections. It looks more like a possible fraud and if something is discovered, Biden will take the full responsibility, allowing Harris not to be involved into any scandal.
the decline continues “The China Challenge Can Help America Avert Decline” [Foreign Affairs]. “For the United States, decline is less a condition than a choice. The downward path runs through the country’s polarized political system, with an incoming Democratic president facing a deadlocked or narrowly Republican Senate. The path away from decline, meanwhile, may run through a rare area susceptible to bipartisan consensus: the need for the United States to rise to the China challenge…. American anxieties about decline have a rich history, punctuating even the supposedly sunny American Century with interludes of deep self-doubt…. The United States is now in its fifth wave of declinism—one that began with the global financial crisis in 2008 and accelerated through Trump’s norm-breaking presidency. American decline is ‘out in the open,’ observes Bloomberg columnist Noah Smith, arguing that absent domestic reform, ‘the U.S. will resemble a developing nation in a few decades.’ The United States could devolve into a ‘deindustrialized, English-speaking version of a Latin American republic,’ warns Professor Michael Lind of the University of Texas at Austin, with an economy based in ‘commodities, real estate, tourism, and perhaps transnational tax evasion,’ as China absconds with the country’s high-tech industries and curtails the United States’ global leadership….They may also underestimate the power of the United States’ appeal. American openness attracts the allies that sustain the global liberal order, the immigrants who fuel American growth, and the capital that sustains dollar dominance. U.S. soft power flows from the country’s open society and civic creed, not from the state.” • “[R]esemble a developing nation in a few decades“? What part of “ubiquitous homeless encampments” do these national security himbos not understand?
The global liberal order is in the rear view mirror.
Something will need to improve in the quality of the individuals and social organization for the US to race past China. Don’t see that happening. Expect more use of force, sanctions, and alliances, all tokens of waning influence.
Failed empires are actually nice places to live in, Rome, Portugal, Spain, England, and the __ .
this comment of biden makes a lot more sense in the context in which he lives . first, he is channeling the kennedy’s “address to the greater houston ministerial association” in 1960 : “But if the time should ever come–and I do not concede any conflict to be even remotely possible–when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do the same. ” [a speech still worth reading in regard to religion in politics today.]
second, he is indirectly responding to the rather vocal conservative catholics who believe that biden should be either excommunicated, or at least denied the catholic sacraments, due to his public stands on birth control and abortion .
he is simply noting his basic principles related to the question of moral conflict between his duties and his conscience.
the only confusion seems to be his wording that seems to suggest a conflict with harris rather than with his conscience . in the end though it works out the same . his hypothetical resignation would constitutionally be in harris’ favor
Incredible 12 year stock run. It has been great to be living in America. I am not sure if any other country has seen this type of performance. China stocks have been pretty flat the past 10 years even though their GDP growth has been 100% higher than the U.S. YOY. 12 year return on the Chinese FXI index is 70% while the SPY is round 300%. QQQ is about 900%.
Obama 8 years
SPY went up 150% 19% a year
NASDAQ 100 went up 280%. 35% a year
Trump 4 years
SPY went up 60%. 15% a year
NASDAQ 100 went up 155%. 39% a year
Not true YOY averages. I just took the total and divided it by the number of years.
Because anyone with an IQ over 95 is fleeing the dollar.
SP500 up 15% for the year and Nasdaq 100 is maybe up 30%. Banner year for stocks. Crazy.
I’ve turned as anti-Democrat as I’ve ever been in my life, but lets be fair on this.
most importantly — he was probably trying to be funny.
his statement was ambiguous, and I took it to mean that “now that Kamala is vp, if she has a disagreement, she’ll fake sick and resign, like any good VP trooper would.” The press is 100% only reporting on the other potential meaning, that if Biden disagrees with his VP, Biden would resign.
Covering this as anything more than a typical Biden speaking gaffe is something I’d only expect on OANN or the likes.
Self projection?
Biden made it. He’s President.
Now he wants to move on, retire, whatever. Was never about what he’ll do. He already knows he’s their to serve financial interests as he did in Delaware.
He knows he’s old so what. Mission Accomplished for him.
Not exactly news.
Biden is senile. President Harris was an inevitability since Aug 11, and, in fact, long before then, but without x=Harris. Many times I have said the election was about President Harris. Biden is incidental, only required to trick voters, like everything Democrats (and Republicans) say.
This whole idea….that Harris is going to just somehow take over….is total bullshit in my opinion.
Now, she no doubt would like that….and no, I don’t think it would be a good idea….but I’m not too worried. Unless Biden steps on a rainbow and goes home to Jesus, I think it’s sheer fantasy.
Biden is a BAU guy….not anybody’s wild-eyed leftist….he’s old and slow (and he says stupid shit), but he has a ton of experience……he’s the devil that we know….not a roll of the dice like Trump.
In due time, the more radical elements on the Dems side might gain some ascendancy…they can have the same kind of appeal to the “victim mentality” as Trump did. The irony is that populists at either extreme have more in common with each other than we’d like to admit.
But for now….Biden is just doing what the party elite wants him to do ….give lip service to diversity and inclusion….give some women and minorities high visibility posts….but nothing much will change. Corporate capture of the government will go on….wealth inequality will continue…get worse…….
Game on.
Two top Trump loyalists were installed at a Pentagon advisory board shortly after several board members were fired on Friday.
Former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, as well as David Bossie — Lewandowski’s deputy on Trump’s 2016 campaign and chairman of the group Citizens United — have been named to the Pentagon’s Defense Business Board, the Defense Department announced in a press release Friday.
The New York Times reported last month that Trump had picked Bossie to lead his campaign’s effort to contest the 2020 election results.
Pissants in the petunias, but in other places…
Scott O’Grady, Trump’s nominee to become assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, whose nomination was sent to the Senate on Monday.
O’Grady also retweeted numerous false claims that Trump had in fact won a second term in office, by a landslide, and described Joe Biden’s winning the presidency as a “coup” attempt carried out in coordination with Chinese President Xi Jinping…
On Wednesday, O’Grady retweeted an article about Michael Flynn’s call for martial law in light of the election results. Then, he retweeted another message from the same account ….“I don’t know who needs to hear this,” read the message that O’Grady retweeted. “But calling for martial law is not a bad idea when there is an attempted coup against the president and this country happening right now.”…
Every real coup begins with “save the country” and turns to martial law, not voting–see numerous examples from Africa and South America.
Sometimes there just aren’t enough lampposts.
I do think there is a legitimate risk of a Trump-attempted coup. I hope that the US Military will have no part in it, and will escort Trump to the door. If he does attempt a coup, he, and all his co-conspirators should be tried for treason.
Why wouldn’t he simply declare a military enforced national COVID lockdown? It would certainly improve his standing among Democrats.
Ever see JB Pritzker get involved with Chicago (Lootfoot) or Crook County (Preckwinkle)? Madigan pulls all the puppet strings, regardless.
Trump has fired any competent people who disagreed with him, so that only dumb people are left in his administration.
Biden is humble enough to recognize that at certain time may be he is not the smartest people in the room, so for the sake of his country he would be willing to leave.
what you say is so lame. It is an effeminate position! a disrespect to voters, a ruse. How we will miss the manly Trump. What will we do when the Chinese build the quantum computer (they are already overtaking us). Who is going to defend the pansies and the consumers and the women then? You robbed the election with fraud and now this.
I disagree with the author that Biden was kidding. He said at the beginning of his explanation, “All kidding aside” and there was no smiles or chuckles.
Biden was joking, in exactly the same way Trump was joking when he promoted huffing Lysol, mainlining bleach and administering UV light rectally.
We’re actually going to scrutinize Biden after 5 years of constant insane Trumpian diarrhetoric?
you’re god damned right we will. fair is fair. we are all equal right?
Maybe he is showing humility which is a good thing.
Resigning before being elected is not humility.
Maybe not! Maybe stupidity at best and truth at worst.
P.S. From an objective viewer in Canada.
He never has before.
So all the VP has to do to become P is create a moral disagreement.
Should be easy enough.
What if he has to step down on health grounds, will anyone be sure its not because he had a moral disagreement?
This man has a problem.
Typical Biden gaffe. Means nothing.
How is that a gaffe?
He just talks off the top of his head…..no filter. Normal people like you and me do that, because nobody hangs on our every word….he shoots from the hip…and maybe part of it is because he’s a fairly honest guy, for a politician. His remarks are always extemporaneous, and he sometimes doesn’t quite get his thoughts into a completely coherent reply.
I do not believe he meant that he would resign as POTUS is he had a disagreement with Harris. I think that’s being misunderstood.
It does mean something. It’s dangerous to elect people this old to the office of President. Would it have been better to have Cory Booker or Mayor Pete rather then this demented old jackass.
It wasn’t a gaffe, it was a joke.
T minus 10 and counting
Electors Vote On December 14
Incoming trumpletantrums!
Do you anticipate a surprise?
“And the point of the interview was that he and Harris would not have major moral dispute.”
Because they have none to begin with!
Kamala is a Marxist Socialist and Biden was a Centrist Democrat.. Reparations? Student Loan Forgiveness? Immigration. Quotas. Busing. Affirmative Action. Guaranteed Income. Abortion until the time of Birth? War.
Well, that would make some happy, wouldn’t it?
But let’s see how that leftist rag (not!) Washington Examiner plays it…
President-elect Joe Biden explained in candid terms how he would have acted if he had a major “moral” disagreement with former President Barack Obama.
Biden said Vice President-elect Kamala Harris and he share a similar worldview but recalled that he told Obama that should the two have a “fundamental disagreement” on a “moral principle,” he’d resign and claim illness. He then described Harris and him in lockstep on those principles.
“We are simpatico on our philosophy of government and simpatico on how we want to approach these issues that we are facing,” Biden said. “When we disagree, it’ll be just like — so far, it’s been just like when Barack and I did. It’s in private. She’ll say, ‘I think we should do A, B, C, or D,’ and I’ll say, ‘I like A, don’t like B and C. And let’s go, OK.’”
“And like I told Barack, if I reached something where there’s a fundamental disagreement we have based on a moral principle, I’ll develop some disease and say I have to resign,” Biden continued. “We don’t have that I’m — we haven’t — and we’ve discussed at length our views on foreign policy, on domestic policy, on intelligence.”
He momentarily thought he was VP again.
Given how often he said he was running for Senate in 2020 that should not come as a surprise.
Now to learn how this plays. Is Joe living in BDS sufferers’ heads rent-free? Will anyone on the left show mild concern over this? I would like to find a person who thinks Biden will even be the Dem nom in 24. It would be the first one.
Biden won’t run in ’24. Dear God, he’ll be 82 and even he knows better. Get ready for President Kamala Harris 🙂
Why did they have to chose this dried up old fossil? There were multiple much better candidates in the primary.
He won, man. Let’s not quibble with the result.
The only good thing about him winning is that trump is out.
It was close. It didn’t have to be close.
In the end the contest between candidates was over who could damage themselves more, and Biden just couldn’t keep up with Trump, especially with his advisors keeping him out of sight.
Both Dems and GOP deserved to lose, but there can be only one.
Yes, I think the sane among us agree that 2020 was a referendum on Trump. I do believe a jar of peanut butter could have beaten Trump, and honestly Biden’s DNA is at least 94% peanut butter.
So, I reiterate — Biden won, or more correctly and desirably, Trump lost. Why quibble about “close?” Biden racked up 306 EVs just like Trump 2016 and no one called that “close.”
But a lot called it illegitimate.
‘Biden racked up 306 EVs just like Trump 2016 and no one called that “close.”‘
I considered both 2016 and 2020 close — I don’t pay attention to the popular vote, the EC count is all that matters, and in both cases, 3 tight states flipping would have change the results.
Also in both cases… both Parties put forward bad candidates and if either hadn’t, it wouldn’t have been close. I understand that no establishment Republican wanted Trump in 2016 — the GOP didn’t want to put him on the ballot.
But the Dems putting Hillary and Biden on the ballot… they were begging to lose both times. They made both races close when neither needed to be.
Yes, Biden won, I’m not quibbling. I’m shaking my head that they risked losing to put him on the ballot. Then they topped it off by adding Harris. They learned nothing from 2016.
What you write is plausible, but intellectual honesty demands admitting that we cannot know how any other candidate would have performed.
Clinton was a terrible candidate, maybe the worst ever. She lost.
Biden won, so by definition he’s not a bad candidate, even if you think … who? Buttigieg? Sanders? Yang? … would have performed marginally better.
73 million votes for Trump. How many votes does another candidate besides Biden siphon away?
There’s just no way of knowing. I’m bitter because Biden 2016 would have spared us all this Trumpian nightmare.
“I’m bitter because Biden 2016 would have spared us all this Trumpian nightmare.”
Do you think he would’ve won in 2016? I’m doubtful. Trump spent the last 4 years damaging himself. This election was a referendum on Trump, based on what he’s done since his last election. Whole different ballgame.
You stole the election with fraud, now you will suffer the demise of the United States. Just as you wanted it to be.
Trump won. The election had fraud and violation of state law. It is inconceivable to believe that Biden had more votes than Obama. Trump did not oppress anyone. People in the extremes may delude themselves but Biden winning over Trump makes no sense. The average voter was assisted by the Trump presidency in so many ways economical. The election of this fossil and his leftist backers makes no sense. He is a creature of the swamp. They are talkers trying to enrich themselves at the expense of the people and have no respect for the democratic process. Look at what he says that he would resign.
And then he picked Harris who got kicked out of Primary very early in the game. If he has a moral dispute with her she’s the one who should resign. Setting up President switch. What a loser party. First pick disgusting candidates and then need to cheat big time to steal the election.
So much silliness in this thread:
You must be very happy in your delusional world