Greenwald Criticized Biden, The Intercept Said No, Greenwald Quit
“The final, precipitating cause is that The Intercept’s editors censored an article I wrote this week, refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Joe Biden, the candidate vehemently supported by all Intercept editors involved in this effort at suppression.”
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 29, 2020
I won’t do a tit-for-tat with The Intercept. I get that need to defend themselves. But just note:
1) Ask Betsy Reed why they won’t publish an accounting of what happened with Reality Winner & who that cover-up is protecting.
2) “Great journalism” that nobody reads isn’t great.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 29, 2020
5) Like I said in my statement, The Intercept does still have some great journalists and publishes good things. I hope they can figure out how to induce some people to read it.
6) This is the CIA-mimicking paragraph I referenced that I was shocked to see at The Intercept: pic.twitter.com/q9jILPwret
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) October 29, 2020
Founding Flashback
Greenwald did an amazing job on the Edward Snowden story. His initial reporting at The Intercept was top notch.
Unfortunately, The Intercept quickly morphed into a radical left Progressive and anti-US rag I found intolerable.
What Happened Recently?
Greenwald wanted to cover more of the Hunter Biden story and The Intercept said no. We only have one side of the story so I won’t comment on that aspect.
The uncensored article, posted at his new site, is not radical left. It poked holes at Biden.
Greenwald asked questions and demanded answers.
We would all like to demand answers but we won’t get them.
I have yet gotten a response from Trump, the Fed, or even Paul Krugman. But the point is, I get to ask the questions.
Reporting Bias
Is there reporting bias?
Sure. It exists at the WSJ, Fox News, the Washington Post, The Intercept, and yes at the Mish website. It is impossible to be perfectly unbiased unless you are a rock.
I write what I want. He wants to write what he wants, but can’t. So he left. And there’s his article above if you want to read it.
Greenwald has questions. So do I.
- Why is all this Hunter Biden stuff drip-fed piecemeal to the media?
- If this stuff is so damning then why is Rudy Giuliani, the Trump campaign, Tucker Carlson, etc., etc holding on to the laptop while 80 million people vote?
- What the hell are they hiding?
- Is there something on the drive that vindicates Joe Biden?
Release the damn thing. And if you don’t, biases will kick in from the right on presumed guilt, and from the left on presumed innocence.
Greenwald comments on the need to see “documents in the public interest”.
On that score I agree, and that was the basis of the Edward Snowden release.
So where the hell is the hard drive?
If you don’t release it, pardon me for being skeptical about the “bombshells” allegedly on it.
Also pardon me for questioning the context of what has been purposely released, drip by drip, by persons of dubious integrity with a known axe to grind.
I keep returning to the same place: If there was any solid evidence of anything on that laptop, it would have been released long ago.
So, why wasn’t it?
Mish
I’ll tell you something else (two things that point out what BS our democracy is b/c it doesn’t stand to reason) :
Isn’t it funny Trump started laser-targeting Hunter and Joe Biden for criticism LONG before Joe was anointed by DNC high command winner of the primary? [the system is so rigged, an event can be prospectively made fun of even nonetheless it still happens].
Why does an incumbent president who commands “such an electoral majority” as Trump, have to resort to a 4-year long presidency-as-campaign, with military grade agent-provocateur gas-light psy-op tactics, to boot, in order to even conceive of winning? And then why does the DNC have to cut short a primary and hurriedly choose a candidate who then starts looking and acting most like Trump himself complete with character flaws and all, in order to be viable as an alternative?
What kind of crockery is going on here?
“….Is there reporting bias?
Sure. It exists at the WSJ, Fox News, the Washington Post, The Intercept, and yes at the Mish website. It is impossible to be perfectly unbiased unless you are a rock.”
Expressing a biassed point of view in a newspaper article, commentary, editorial or blog is perfectly fine. Calling that reporting is not. Doing so does a great disservice to all those brave true reporters and journalists who sometimes had to put their lives in harms ways in order to bring unfettered facts to the general public’s attention.
What ever you do, don’t pay attention to the Great Reset end game – James Corbett’s summary of the Great Reset – link to youtu.be.
link to armstrongeconomics.com.
TUCKER CARLSON GIVES UP ON BIDEN STORY
….Fox News host Tucker Carlson presented a bizarre new development on Thursday night in the mysterious case of his allegedly “damaging” documents on Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, that Carlson previously claimed had disappeared in the mail when a producer sent them from New York to Carlson in Los Angeles.
Carlson opened the story with a claim that the producer who shipped the lost documents via UPS had put them on a flash drive, which was allegedly missing from the package when it arrived in L.A. However, Carlson’s team had made a copy of the documents before they were sent “because we’re careful,” the Fox News host said.
According to Carlson, UPS said an employee had found the flash drive on Monday night.
Then the Fox host hinted at a conspiracy theory surrounding the incident.
“How did our flash drive get separated from the package that we sent it in?” Carlson asked. “That seems like something worth knowing. The envelope was securely sealed, and we know that. UPS does not dispute that. Was a package torn open accidentally by a machine? That seems unlikely and UPS says that almost never happens […] We got our flash drive back today and that’s great, but what we’d really like are some answers.”
However, Carlson declined to say what was actually on the flash drive, and he also claimed to have “a lot of documents about Hunter Biden’s personal life” that he would not share, supposedly out of concern for Biden, whom Carlson called “a fallen man at this point.”
“Probably too strong to say we feel sorry for Hunter Biden, but the point is pounding on a man, jumping on, and piling on when he’s already down is something we don’t want to be involved in,” said Carlson, who has been relentlessly attacking Biden for weeks, as have his colleagues at Fox.
Carlson’s sudden about-face came not long after NBC News published a report revealing that an intel document supposedly detailing Biden’s corrupt business dealings in China, which had spread among conservative circles online, was created by a fake persona at a fake intelligence firm.
link to armstrongeconomics.com
From what I have seen of the Hunter Biden “story”, at most it would make him about one quarter as stupid as the Trump kids and does nothing to implicate Joe Biden. At worst the unsubstantiated allegations against the Bidens is one tenth of what is known that the Trumps do. Of course I would prefer that our elected officials be perfect in every way instead of saying that one side is less bad than the other. In this case it is known what the Trumps do even though they use the power of the entire US government to prevent any investigations while the entire power of the US government is used to find any dirt on the Bidens. The reason, of course, that there have been no charges against the Bidens is that once charges are brought then they would have full access to the “evidence” against them and could easily refute the charges.
Oh, and no govt time and money was wasted on the Russian/Ukraine hoax or impeachment charade??? The verified correspondence clears shows the big guy knew exactly what was happening – link to zerohedge.com.,
and Joe won’t even deny it, much less answer some basic questions – link to zerohedge.com.
Take off your blinders!
So why aren’t the people that are freaked out about Hunter not freaked out 10 times more by the way Jared Kushner is using his influence to by favor with MBS. MBS had a US resident kidnapped and dismembered.
You are right. Both are somewhat in the same category.
Trump’s involvement of his family while in office is absurd for a country without a royal family, but then so was Bush Jr, and Bill Clinton’s wife, as if there’s nobody else to be found. For some, it all freaks us out.
I’m not freaked out by Hunter, but I can believe he used his family connection to try to line his pockets. I don’t believe it means I should vote for Trump…and I fully agree that the Trump family is bunch of grifters too.
Given a choice between Hunter Biden and Eric Trump as an envoy/advisor, I know who I’d pick.
I am really disappointed in Greenwald. He has lost the plot. I can’t believe I read most of that screed.
This really should have been the end of it. But no he wants the media to give every unverifiable claim legitimacy, in the age of misinformation, propagated primarily by, yes, Russia.
Plus as far as I can tell he fabricated a quote he attributes to the NYTimes:
Google that quote with quote marks around it, it only shows up in Greenwald’s article.
He is better suited for writing for RT.
Strongly agree that Greenwald is making something up. A review of the Times article does not show anything like that quote. He should report the facts.
So the dog ate my homework (Tucker Carlson’s Biden Documents) …
After all the lame baseless speculation, it now appears:
All the fake allegations about fake emails seem unaware that emails that have crossed major providers’ servers have DKIM authentication hashes in the headers, making it trivially easy to prove tampering or to prove authenticity.
One can add that the information is coming from many sources. The laptop HD is one. Bobulinski is another. Giuliani is another. Note that these do not intersect. Some of it is about China. Some about the Ukraine. Some about Kazakhstan and Russia. There is a plethora of sources and different threads.
Was there any doubt about Biden influence peddling? No. Many liberal outlets featured stories on it before Biden became VP candidate for a Harris presidency. How peculiar was it in the aftermath of the Maidan in Kiev to read about how the Donbass frontline was intersecting fracking operations by Burisma, where Biden’s son was on the board. There are also tapes of Biden getting rid of an anti-corruption prosecuter and on the telephone to Poroschenko where the latter is assuring Biden that he is taking care of those things.
Even if there isn’t court case proof evidence, anybody who is not being disingenuous has long grasped what is going on. Oh, and there are FBI investigations. It may well be that Biden didn’t get any money directly, just the family finances benefited.
Tucker is full of shit.
As another comment I saw put it:
The fact that Tucker Carlson thinks that this transparent nonsense works says a lot about his audience’s gullibility.
Did Tucker Carlson say these things (exactly) or are you putting words in his mouth?
Have you seen this poll?
If his is correct(check), Biden is in serious trouble. Trump was in the single digits last election. He was also endorsed by Lil Wayne today and 50 Cent the other day.
I said it was a coin flip the other day. This would be a slam dunk for Trump if correct. The writing is appearing on the wall. 2016 repeat.
Also this.
What do you think?
No freaking idea what poll you are talking about but it is outlier garbage
It ate the links.
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have you talked to any “black” people yourself? i have and do. not one would vote for trump, ever. lil wayne, 50 cent, and crazy-as-a-loon kanye are tokens who do not speak for many and will influence very few when it comes to voting. guaranteed.
if you’re wondering why the “quotes”, it’s because their skin is not black, it’s brown. in fact, everyone’s skin tone is a various shade of brown.
Thank you for representing all black people. I will take your word and expect zero black votes for Trump. We will find out soon.
What a turn of events. I still can’t figure out why John Kass moved into the City of Chicago from Western Springs.
“Unfortunately, The Intercept quickly morphed into a radical left Progressive and anti-US rag….”
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
The US is greatest sponsor if terrorism and mass murder of humans all history.
So….it isn’t as much about this particular story as it is the way the narrative has become more important than truth in journalism. I despise Donald Trump….but I don’t like thinking that most major news outlets in the country are willing to suppress a story….any story…..just to help one side……because they perceive that one particular side is worth lying about, by omission.
This is deeply disturbing to me…and should be to everybody.
I have no idea exactly how much truth is in this story….maybe some. maybe none…but if a good journalist wants to write about it, citing facts and telling the truth, editors shouldn’t get in the way of that.
And it is happening….and not just with this story, but in many other areas where the story might run counter to some prevailing narrative.
News From the Future: Monday, Nov 2. Sources indicated that CCP funds transferred to Joe Biden were distributed to charities, anonymously.
Greenwald adopts the Trumpista language of grand conspiracy….
Glenn Greenwald tells Tucker Carlson ‘the left is in bed with a CIA set on destroying Trump’
The journalist, part of a team that won a Pulitzer for reports about government surveillance programs based on leaks by Edward Snowden, told the Fox New host that the left’s ‘healthy skepticism of the CIA’ has ‘all disappeared’.
Greenwald, who announced his resignation from the The Intercept Thursday, added: ‘The reason it’s disappeared is because the CIA from the very first days of the Trump administration, even before he was inaugurated, devoted themselves to sabotaging the inauguration because Donald Trump questioned a few of their pieties and that can’t be done in Washington.
‘So the CIA and the deep state operative became heroes of the liberal left, the people who support the democratic party. They are now in a full union with the neocons and the Bush Cheney operatives, the CIA, silicon valley and Wall Street.
‘That is the union of power, along with along with mainstream media outlets, that are fully behind the democratic party which is likely to at least take over one branch of government, if not all of them, in the coming election and that’s a very alarming proposition because they are authoritarian, they believe in censorship and suppression of information that exposes them in any kind of a critical light.’
Greenwald then suggested members of the CIA, DoJ, FBI and NSA now ‘tell Americans what they ought to believe’. He added: ‘They have infiltrated the means of communication domestically. If they do it through leaks, clandestine operations and through lies.’
“So the CIA and the deep state operative became heroes of the liberal left, the people who support the democratic party. They are now in a full union with the neocons and the Bush Cheney operatives, the CIA, silicon valley and Wall Street…”
Sounds pretty damn accurate to me! Why is this considered a “grand conspiracy”? Just look around!
“Grand conspiracy”…everyone is against poor little Mr. Trump who is valiantly fighting the forces of darkness.
The poor guy.
Excepty your tin hero is pretty damned flawed and is basically a user who will say or do anything for his own benefit.
Why don’t you do yourself a favor and read what his friends and enemies have to say about him (these are people who know him for more than theimage you have bought)
Yes, certainly Trump is flawed. However, I like free speech, the right to bear arms, and don’t think our founding philosophy is “inherently flawed.”
Conspiracy? Who’s running around with their hair on fire shouting Russia Putin again. Talk about conspiracy madness…
And yes, I’ve known Trump was a venal self-involved dimwit forever.
> I’ve known Trump was a venal self-involved dimwit forever
Finally, something we agree on.
Now please explain why you defend such a person?
“Now please explain why you defend such a person [Trump]?”
Nobody is personally defending Trump. Rather, what is being defended is the concept that people precede government and that power corrupts and must be distributed among three branches with numerous checks and balances within each branch.
Well I agree with that statement.
Do you really think Trump respects separation of powers and checks and balances?
Its the left that talks about packing the court, adding states, eliminate the electoral college, and getting rid of the filibuster. They LOVE the concept of centralized power and decision-making via unelected bureaucrats, not to mention wealth redistribution schemes. A nice set-up if your in on it, but I ain’t and I doubt you are too.
> When President Trump was asked during Monday’s news briefing what authority he has to reopen the country, he didn’t hesitate to answer. “I have the ultimate authority,” the president responded, cutting off the reporter who was speaking.
This doesn’t sound like Trump is very keen on “power distributed among three branches with numerous checks and balances within each branch” to me.
“Do you really think Trump respects separation of powers and checks and balances?”
Trump’s a classic reason why we have separation of powers.
Trump to Ukraine (1st week of July 2019): “Get me Hillary’s server which I heard you guys have and any other corrupt politicians who my buddy Rudy says is corrupt. You guys do this and I’ll release our funds we normally give you.”
Ukraine: “We’re on it!”
Two weeks later when Trump advisors learn what he promised: “Sir, you can’t do that! Its illegal!”
Trump: “Oh, well that’s lame! Release the funds,” as he grumpily storms off…
link to armstrongeconomics.com
Hmmm, first interview of Greenwald on the Tucker Carlson FOX new show…
Nope. He’s been on many a time before
It’s Baaaaaack! UPS found the missing stuff.
You can’t make sh*t like this up. Unbelievable.
yes, so I would assume we will get to see what was so important to Tucker pretty quick. nothing new so far that I see on fox’s website.
Complete and udder hearsay but there might be illegal pictures on the laptop.
That’s one reason. I really hope it’s not true. The drip of information is another.
Yes probably. Under-age girls. Could put you in trouble for distribution of child porno.
“udder hearsay”! Indeed! LOL
By the way, maybe Greenwald should start up a website of his own,, just saying…
sometimes if you can’t play nicely with others it just may mean you need some alone time
He moved to SubStack, like Matt Taibbi.
Sometime it means not being gamed and compromised and standing up for principles and truth
The “Hunter Biden email/laptop story has been out there for a year with the material being maketed by various Ukrainian peddlers. Supposedly the FBI has had it in their hands for almost that length of time.
Bidens son was drug-addled for a while, tried to use the dad’s name for advancing his interest. Pardon me if you offended by my yawn, because that tale has been played out in public with Trump’s kids and a lot of other connected people.
It was more fun to say “buttermails”..
Do a many people care if politicians are a bit crooked? Let alone, do many people care if their politicians are a bit crooked?
I think no and no.
The majority probably want politicians to be a bit crooked. Keeps ’em on a short leash.
I don’t hear many Trump supporters say that. 3 years of investigations say Trump is not crooked. If he was they would have nailed him to the wall. 60 million dollar investigation didn’t turn up shit. The people that investigated Trump hated him. They would have loved to have found something.
If Biden wins Harris will be president as soon as the special prosecutor is named. It’s tradition to investigate now.
> I don’t hear many Trump supporters say that. 3 years of investigations say Trump is not crooked
Oh boy. The reason nothing has happened is because of immunity of POTUS from anything other than Impeachment, which failed because of GOP solidarity with Trump.
Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds
Judge finalizes $25 million settlement for ‘victims of Donald Trump’s fraudulent university’
A lot of me too-ism here.
Whatever Trump is changes nothing about Hillary or Joe.
The eight convictions were all for process crimes (entrapment) and reporting pecadilloes. Nothing that mattered to anybody outside the Mueller witch hunt.
That made me laugh. Blast from the past.
No you are full of complete crap. Trump would have been nailed to the wall if he had done anything illegal. 60 million dollar investigation says personally hasn’t done anything they could get him on. And they really really wanted him.
All the while overlooking that a career politician like Joe Biden somehow got rich making no more than 400k a year in his government position. Seems legit.
Trump was a crook long before he became President. He has never been investigated for the worst of his crimes…..and the statute of limitations probably protects him from many of them, because they happened so long ago now. Money laundering in the 90’s comes to mind. Nobody in the government really wants true corruption investigated, because almost all politicians are guilty to some degree of it….But Trump has a very long, very sleazy past. It just gets ignored.
I don’t doubt that but he hasn’t gotten pinned for any more recent crimes.
And they really really wanted him. Like 60 million dollar investigation wanted him and couldn’t find anything of substance. At what point do we say “Ok that guy is pretty clean?” Never?
Probably the reason why the FBI didn’t go public with the laptop. If Biden wins, then they control Biden.
In New York , we had Al D’amato. Many called him Senator pothole. He was corrupt and for years nobody cared because he always took care of the basic needs. Potholes were always addressed prompty.
Yes. Who’s leash?
The leash they’re all on, the intel community.
Nobody in politics will give a candidate support and a leg up until they know for sure there is pay dirt on him/her to keep them in line…
Mish – I agree with your questions and I think they should be answered. After reading Greenwalds article I also think his questions need to be answered as well. I also agree with you that, unfortunately, they will not get answered. It is with the last portion of my last sentence where I think the problem lies. It is becoming very apparent that the suppression of the story by main street media and big tech is becoming a more crucial issue than possibly the story itself. Unfortunately, this will hurt both sides of the argument and sets a standard in which Im unhappy to see our country set
Between media censorship and changing the voting system, the candidates are the lesser of the story.
Politicians come and go. Changing the ethnics and fundamentals of our system is permanent.
If there is anything substantial in the hard-drive, they would have released it to the public by now, a few days before the election. By dripping here and there, they just want to create doubt about Hunter/Biden among weak-willed voters, which is all what they can make out of it.
Why is all this Hunter Biden stuff drip-fed piecemeal to the media? Same reason Qanon is drip fed. To make it into episodes so they can make it last as long as they want, like “Days of Our Lives” or “Genitals Hospital”.
Greenwald is a principled guy and I wish more journalists would stay true to their ethics rather than selling out to further their careers.
That said, for election purposes I doubt the Hunter story has much impact. Seemingly everyone is massively corrupt now and voting is all about which side of the red/blue divide you believe is destroying the country. People will overlook just about anything to go after the “bad guys” on the other side.
Glen Greenwald along with Julian Assange – two of the greatest journalists of modern day.
The laptop hardrive has been in possession of the FBI for about a year.
All this material is coming from drive images made before the FBI showed up with a warrant.
That’s my understanding at least, but maybe I have to close read the story again.
Because the FBI is such an “effective” organization.
Our fourth branch of government, practically speaking.
Greenwald’s editors tell a different story. Says he’s turned into a primadona
Assuming the editors comment, ‘he’s turned into a primadonna’ means he’s become a ‘temperamental, conceited person’ rather than becoming a female lead opera singer; do you think the editors are unbiased with respect to Biden, and any news story concerning him?
Hint: The Intercept is a news source that Mish calls a “radical left Progressive and anti-US rag I found intolerable” .
Seems you are more interested in your own answer
Generally name calling a clear sign they have no argument to his actions.
I don’t your mind could hand reading the article Mish linked too. It doesn’t echo like your normal news.
With Jared and Ivanka on the Whitehouse payroll, with their grubby little hands grabbing all they can, I couldn’t care less if the Bidens are guilty as sin. If they’re all criminals, I at least want some new criminals.
Damn man you have made a 180 pretty quick on Biden. You are right though. It doesn’t really matter either way.
Biden isn’t a new criminal.
No. The oldest ever. Been doing the bidding of the credit card companies and financial interests forever. Don’t call him Biddin for nothing
Knowing in advance that the mass media will minimize the impact of negative news on Biden, why drop it all in one go? Dismiss it one time, it all goes away in a matter of days. A drip does damage because of persistence.
Various reasons. One reason may be that even with the laptop they expect to lose. Holding on to their copy of the ‘laptop’ hard-drive enables long term damage to the new administration, and may be used as blackmail. Now, there’s a thought–mutually assured blackmail.
It could be that you are right and the h-d is also exculpatory. It might be that the full extent of material is not realized (26K emails). Material might be encrypted. Some rumors about material already in Russian and Chinese hands could be true. Legal advisors could be a factor in holding back. Also Agency input. Finally, certain other people are named in a bad light.
If there is, Hunter would know it.
Finally, after reading Greenwald’s article, and assuming it is correct in its details, it is an indictment of the vast majority of mass media. The hard drive takes on additional meaning: to wit the entire impeachment trial is shown to be a fraud, and leading Democrats are part of a massive coverup, etc. Given the degree of bias, maximizing the strategic value of the hard drive requires inflicting the maximum damage on opponents.
We are going to have President Harris soon after anyway. Biden is just a placeholder. His role is to step aside. Maybe with this he can’t leave gracefully as foreordained because now it would look like he had to leave. It’s a win for the Republicans.
The media exists because it fulfills two mandates: 1) it generates an audience and 2) it generates ad revenue. Obviously symbiotic.
Nobody will ever convince me that the media is obligated to report truth. That’s a ludicrous idea. The only way they report truth is if its audience tolerates nothing other than truth. It’s everyone’s fault the media is the way it is, we all enabled the change.
Don’t buy the false piety of the “truth in media” lunatics.
If that was the intent, it failed miserably. Probably over half the people have now voted. Most people that I knew that had any interest in the laptop originally have lost interest in it. Because nothing of substance was released, there is no reason to believe there is anything of substance to release, so they have moved on to other topics.
It seems I am not the only person taking the strategic damage POV :
You couldn’t hold Greenwald’s jockstrap Mish…he may be a liberal but he’s a First Class, First Amendment advocate and defender all the way, unlike so many who justify obvious bias or narrative manipulation as simply a “point of view.” When you try to pass yourself off as a journalist or reporter on events and policy, you have a grave responsibility to the public that reads what you write… and that is to include information that detracts from your argument, as well as information that supports it. It’s called being fair. Try it sometime.
It’s Schrodinger’s Laptop. It has both damning and exculpatory evidence.
I didn’t know they made quantum laptops yet. Must have a huge battery on it.
Flux capacitor, natch. And 1.21Gb of RAM.
So is the laptop alive or dead?
Both, duh.
Of course you are right
You could open the box and let us know….
Buncha geeks.lol