Trump’s Approval Rating on Real Clear Politics
The above chart is from Real Clear Politics.
I like the fact that it has a user-adjustable timeline. On March 27, Trump shrank his disapproval rating to two percentage points.
That coincides with a smaller than normal rally-around-the-president rally towards the beginning of the Covid crisis.
FiveThirtyEight has a similar chart but it is not adjustable.
Trump’s Approval Rating on FiveThirtyEight
538 vs Real Clear Politics
- 538 Spread on March 27: -3.9
- 538 Spread July 20: -15.0
- 538 Change: -11.1
- RCP Spread on March 27: -2.0
- RCP Spread on July 20: -14.2
- RCP Change: -12.2
Trump’s Covid Handling Approval
Trump’s covid-handling approval score fell from -3.0 on March 27 to -19.4 on July 20.
Trump’s Covid Handling Approval by Political Party
Since March 27, Trump’s Covid-handling approval by independents shrank by 13.1 percentage points.
That is right between the RCP and 538 drops of -14.2 and -11.1 overall popularity rankings.
Americans Increasingly Dislike How Republican Governors Are Handling The Coronavirus Outbreak
FiveThirtyEight reports Americans Increasingly Dislike How Republican Governors Are Handling The Coronavirus Outbreak
This could easily cost Republicans the Senate in November.
What Trump Said
Trump is on the Short End of the Enthusiasm Gap
As noted on July 17, Trump is on the Short End of the Enthusiasm Gap
While Biden voters may not be all that excited about voting for Biden, they’re very enthusiastic about voting against Trump. And that gives Biden a pretty strong edge, because Trump supporters don’t despise Biden the way they despised Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Once again, this is due to Trump’s appealing to the base at the expense of losing huge swaths of independents.
Not Just Covid
NPR reports Majority Of Americans Say Trump Increased Racial Tensions After George Floyd’s Death, Poll Finds
On June 3, Trump pulled a ridiculous bible stunt in an Amazingly Bad Move that many Republicans blasted.
And he keeps at it.
Donald Trump is deploying unmarked federal police, decked out like a paramilitary force, to grab Americans off the streets. He’s not protecting liberty; he’s practicing tyranny. https://t.co/UqT3z0cNgK
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) July 20, 2020
Appeal to the Base Silliness
As I have commented before, it is a huge mistake for Trump to appeal to the base.
- Trump has core support, the alleged “silent majority” of about 36%. They will vote for Trump no matter what he says or does.
- Similarly, those who despise Trump would not vote for him if he cured Covid tomorrow.
Trump has lost the vote of independents and it will be extremely difficult to win them back, especially the over 65 crown in Florida.
Mish
Trump’s failure in responding to Covid actually began a month earlier, on February 26, when he said it was “completely controlled”. Before his Feb. 26th speech, I texted a friend “I hope he has a good speech writer on it. His tweets that everything was fine, juxtaposed with the CDC … was a very bad start. After the speech I said “..he bungled it pretty badly. I can’t see him winning in November now.”
February 26 was the day he abandoned his win-win position. Had he treated Covid seriously, he would have won easily if Covid turned out to bad, and he would not have been blamed for the economy, plus he would have won if it turned out to be nothing. By downplaying it, he handed the win-win position to the Democrats, and gambled that it would be nothing, a gamble he lost.
“It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”
— Donald Trump, January 22, 2020.
Given the lunacy of Trump and the Democrats, this is a lose, lose election for the American people, especially if the incompetent GOP ends up losing the Senate too. Both paths lead to long term economic and political instability. If Biden picks a moderate VP (which, let’s face it, will likely become President given his diminished intellect) that will provide a ray of hope, but my guess is that’s not going to happen since moderates are pretty much anathema to the party’s extremists.
The election will not be decided on Covid, or even Trump. The election will be decided on the radical left move of the Democratic party and how out of touch they are with the average American.
The Democratic party has aligned itself with BLM and AOC and the that is not what the American people want in leadership.
The Democratic party has supported Riots, looting, the defacing and destruction of American history. The Democratic party has supported paying people not to work, and now wants to implement a wealth tax that will make the American Citizens fall deeper into slavery and serfdom than they already are. The Democratic party has aligned itself with China and against America.
The Democratic party is pushing America towards and communist / socialist agenda and that is not what the American people want. The Democratic party has shown it’s true colors to the American people and the American people do not like what they see.
This for a perspective:
Millions of people are not directly effected by the virus. Many more die from heart attacks
STATE Population Deaths
NY 19000000 32500
Tx 28000000 3600
FL 21000000 4500
GA 10000000 3100
AZ 7000000 3200
Top three causes of death: heart attack, cancer, Covid19.
I am a former Trump voter. It was the biggest mistake I have ever made at the ballot box. I honestly didn’t expect much from him, but I at least hoped he would fight to reduce government spending, get Obamacare FULLY repealed, and stand up for our gun rights. He has failed in all three. Oh, I should add get us out of the endless wars–another failure as he vetoed legislation that would get us out of Vietnam.
On the other hand, I didn’t vote for Romney in 2012 because of Romneycare and went with Gary Johnson. Now I wish we had a grownup in the room like Romney over Trump, whose presidential legacy is really stealing the “victim card” out of Jesse Jackson’s pocket. Trump and his supporters continue to think he is a victim of a hoax, and it’s pathetic at this point.
So what are you going to do? Vote for Democrats who want to instill communism?
Support BLM, Support AOC? Support de-funding police and giving the money to blacks for reparations? Are you ready to see all of America look like Chicago or Baltimore? Are you ready to pay tax on everything you worked for and already own so they can give a piece of your productivity to people who do not like to work?
Is that really the direction you want to see America go? Do you really want America to become a socialist / communist state?
People don’t understand the 4D chess this president plays.
Earlier in the year, when he said “it will disappear like magic,” people were thinking he was referring to the coronavirus.
He wasn’t.
He was referring to the Republican Party as a significant national political force.
On January 20th, say hello to President Biden, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Schumer.
And Republicans will have done it to themselves by allowing this Trump bozo to lead them down the garden path to ruin, displacing their critical faculties in order to chase the siren song of populism.
I always felt after Trump went after the Liberty Caucus for fighting for full repeal of Obamacare while he jumped on the Ryan plan to save it with the corporate mandate that Trump was draining the GOP of small government conservatives. Sanford was his first target, then came Amash and Massie…
The American people will not vote for communism, and that is what the Democratic party has shown itself to be.
If the elections were held tomorrow, Trump would probably lose big time. But who know what will happen between now & November.
Trump will lose even more bigly.
A lot of things could change between now and November. Trump is not one of them.
Trump’s hail mary seems to be hoping that a few rental cars of fed cops in Portland will swell the idiotic riots (check), cause the Dems to do even less about lawless destruction (check), and then normal people will actually become disgusted/scared of having Dems in power. I don’t think it’ll work well enough to get him re-elected, but kudos for pushing the country one step closer to civil war.
and only to states run by democrats. no surprise really, that he is going to send out paratroopers to other cities. Guess what, everyone needs to read about how Mussolini turned that country into a fascist state, the exact same way. He started by just picking people up, then after everyone was okay with that, he then started riffing those people up, once everyone was ok with that, that is when the killings started. Now I have friends on both sides of the fence, and they all say what is happening is not good.
Brad, this issue of feds basically kidnapping protesters without the consent of state officials, out of uniform, stuffing them into unmarked rental cars, removing them to undisclosed locations, and denying due process of law, certainly is one of the most chilling stories I have seen in my entire life, that they could behave the way drug cartels do in Central America and get away with it in the name of protecting plaques and monuments, it is Trump’s real last ditch plan. To use the entire homeland security and spy network like this over supposedly preventing monor property damage. It simply defies belief and is step one of establishing a police state so secure that come January Trump will simply say he is not convinced of the legitimacy of the Biden win and refuses to leave office, declaring a national emergency and lockdown, curfew.
And he will have had almost a year of our government putting suveilence into place using Covid as an excuse. All this tracking and monitoring and reporting related to contact tracing and facial recognition.
ABC news yesterday: “Trump not ready to commit to election results if he loses…”
You have BETTER take this seriously people, that statement alone should be one of the most impeachable offenses we as a nation could possibly have, when someone in office says he is reserving the right NOT to leave in spite of the vote he has to be considered a criminal danger to the very existence of our democracy.
We are in serious trouble. I predicted a few months ago Trump may try to postpone the election. It is almost a given now. This is more Mussolini than Putin however Trump fancies himself as the leader forever. This will not end well.
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Mish…..the polls you have mentioned in the past and the Covid Pandemic will not be enough to get Biden elected.
I think Trump gets elected again because the Dem Party is and will be Poison for America.
Don’t believe me…. here is a quote from Eric Weinstein’s twitter page today who is a managing director of Thiel Capital in San Francisco
Eric Weinstein
@EricRWeinstein
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A surprising number of Left-leaning people are confiding to me that they are planning to vote for Trump for two different stated leading reasons:
A) Biden’s Mental decline.
B) What is happening in the Pacific Northwest w Democratic Mayors/Govenors experimenting w non-policing.
Keep reaching.
Signed,
A 2016 Trump voter.
No reaching here Biden is not a sure bet as you think he is. Polls have never been accurate.
Never ?
Polls might not be accuarate as you say, that is why they have a margin of error, but Biden is ahead by more than twice that margin now, and there is NO WAY the American people are going to sit still for another stolen election. More of us believe that he was not the legitimate winner in 2016 than believe he was just as more of us voted for HRC than voted for him. He is already saying that he plans to reserve the right – a right he does not have – not to recognize the outcome of the election. He is mobilizing our entire intelligence comunity and the Department of Homeland Security to take action in that event with the excuse of preventing vandalism to statues, monuments, and plaques.
Here is an interesting aside. Some of you read my bit over the weekend about my car having the convertible top stuck halfway in the up position, yesterday I had to take it on a flatbed to Ocala for repair. BMW did not have a loaner for me so they paid for a Hertz rental. They drove me to Hertz and dropped me off with a PO for a car for 5 days, but when I got in there Hertz had no cars available. HMMMMM, a car rental agency operating in bankruptcy because the car rental business is so slow that they could not survive as an ongoing concern, in a city just north of a mjor Covid hotspot like the Tampa bay area, has no cars available? What could have happened to them all?
Oregon Sues Federal Government for Grabbing Protesters in Unmarked Vehicles
Among those unmarked vehicles are YOU GUESSED IT rental cars.
“People are being literally scooped off the street into unmarked vans, rental cars, apparently. They are being denied probable cause. And they are denied due process. They don’t even know who’s pulling them into the vans. The people aren’t identifying themselves. And, as far as I can see, this is completely unconstitutional.”
Trump has not even one ghost of a chance at reelection, democrats are simply not going to let him have 4 more years to fuck this nation over. They have never been more motivated and new registrations are setting records. He will NOT get the electors from Florida, and he cannot be reelected without them. Even Texas is a toss up state now, so claiming Trump will somehow find a way to win is pure self delusion on your part PT.
He will be sent packing November 3 and if he refuses to accept that election result he will be forceably removed from office. If the federal machinery refuses to remove him we will be in a state of civil war! But how convenient they have spent these years he was in office developing facial recognition and contact tracing eh?
Wishful thinking and propaganda from Trump’s fanbase. The only people “worried about the Pacific Northwest’s law and order problems” are brainless FOX “News” viewers, because the “crisis” is a fabrication created to rule up old white conservative people.
Unfortunately for the GOP, old white conservative people are more concerned about the Republican politicians who don’t mind killing them with a deadly virus to “reopen the economy.”
Oops.
Anyone criticizing Biden’s “mental decline” but defending or ignoring Trump’s mental state is doing some kind of drugs.
The burning of cities, the looting of businesses, the violence and chaos are all results of the Democratic party, and its support for communist / socialist agenda’s.
The American people have seen what Democrats support, and they will not vote for it. It is not about Trump and Biden, it is about freedom and liberty vs. communism.
That is a battle the Democrats can’t win. Their decision to embrace the radical left socialist / communist agenda will result in America turning their back on them.
This guy made the closest prediction of the election in 2016. link to youtube.com
No he didn’t. He is a Trump fanboy and that is obvious from his video series.
Pretty soon Trump will ask for an infrastructure bill that will build a couple of concentration camps within the US.
Trump and Obama will be the only 2 presidents in modern history to run for reelection in a permanently collapsed economy,Obama (somehow???)managed to get reelected after 4 years of basically doin nothing!Can Trump pull off the same miracle?Or does he even want to!Next prez will have to deal with car bombs at the WH,sand bags to stop 60mm mortar rds from hitting the oval office!
Obama won easily in 2008, so by 2012 when everyone knew he was a dud he had enough cushion to win as enthusiasm waned.
Trump doesn’t have that luxury. He won a close election in 2016 and his only remaining selling point he has is that he doesn’t represent the blue team. We’re also in a more advanced state of decay so people are angrier.
It’s tough to imagine anyone getting reelected easily from now on, or maybe reelected at all as our bankster’s paradise crumbles.
“ 4 years of basically doin nothing”
Which is better than presiding over a catastrophically failed war and an economic catastrophe like GWB, right?
First rule of holes: when you’re in one stop digging.
The only thing people are forgetting is Obama inherited two wars off the books and a financial crisis. No one else would have done any better. He was also hamstrung by Republican Senate and House. Somehow they thought healthcare for people was a bad thing and convinced people that two years of control was enough. Since then we’ve had more Fed intervention and gridlock. Republicans complain about debt and spending when it comes to Democrats but then end up spending more when they are in charge- see 2016 to 2018. The Fed may as well subscribe to MMT and start sending people checks from the treasury as long as they are buying bonds. The people deserve a citizens dividend too.
Obama was the most accomplished president of my lifetime, and I’m in my 40s. The ACA was a landmark legislative achievement, and eradicating the pre-existing condition loophole for health insurance allowed individuals to unlock their full potential in a competitive labor market without worrying about losing their ability to get life saving medical treatment.
You want a big bag of zero? Try the two GOP administrations that bookended the Obama administration. Neither did anything of value.
This is off-topic but the discussion was being held too far back for me to search it up easily. The context was positivity in coronavirus tests in the US as metric, both local and by international comparison. So I got round to briefly looking for flaws or distortion and recent articles on that appeared. The WTPS article was not accessible except in cache, removed from wayback (broken link is wtsp dot com/article/news/health/coronavirus/epidemiologist-says-data-can-be-misleading-and-coronavirus-is-spreading-in-florida…) but there they say that higher positivity is due to targeted testing. Meanwhile
alleges misreporting. Other sites say bias exists in terms of mixing serology with pcr.
In Spain 50% of those tested as having the virus (75% in Cataluña) have no known contact with other infected, meaning likely they were tested because of symptoms, implying background of infection is much higher but also that positivity is not relatable to methods used in the US. I don’t know, I just don’t trust any of the data anymore besides number of infected daily as very rough guide, and hospitalisations as lagging indicator. It is really useless that we aren’t given clear data, and worse when the figures or presentation are found purposefully manipulated.
In Florida some of the private labs were only reporting the positives, and not reporting the negatives. While they should have been reporting the negatives, too, it has no impact on either Daily New Cases, nor Daily Deaths. The one statistic it does affect is the percentage of tests that are positive, but most people don’t look at that anyway. It also affects Total Tests/million, but that’s another stat few look at.
4 strikes against Trump, in my book:
Repubs beware. Turn a blind eye and you have lost all moral authority if a Dem does any of these.
The senate can be flipped the way things are going. It will be very hard to undo what has been done. You can blame Democrats but the Republicans were in charge for 2+ years. Trump has done very little when you actually look closely. Now he wants us to grade on a curve for Covid-19.
GOP gets as much blame as Trump, because they hitched their wagon to him and callously disregarded protocol, decorum, and what’s best for the entire nation to further their own selfish and narrow interests. Now we are all paying for it. This is why I am shocked the GOP let it come to this, the poison that is Mitch McConnell may be nearly equally responsible for where we are now as Trump. Merrick Garland was the vector for this current cycle of nastiness.
I actually think it started in 2009 when a week or so after obama inaugurated McConnell said his job was to make him a 1 term president.
I’d also add:
Hopefully the criminal charges come quickly and decisively once he leaves office in disgrace.
I beg of people to read the actual documentation coming out of the Mueller investigation. The evidence, actual evidence, suggests the entire investigation was borderline treason. Thus i’m having a hard time caring about weak amounts of “obstruction” i.e. fighting back against a treasonous investigation.
He didn’t handle Ukraine great but then again, the true corruption is on the Biden’s side. (Unless you’re going to tell me there’s nothing fishy about Hunter getting $600k a year to be on a board of a company he knows nothing about that speaks a language he can’t speak right after getting kicked out of military for drug problems lmao).
Time will tell who is right on Coronavirus. Actual evidence suggests that Hydroxychloroquine is at least somewhat effective and those who pushed hard on it likely have blood on their hands.
I’ll be concerned with him commuting sentences when there is an actual crime other than “lying to investigators” since so far everyone accused of “lying to investigators” has turned out to be total bullshit. (See General Flynn).
Again, personally i hate Trump and think he is a full on blowhard a-hole. Yet, the evidence is showing that he was correct on most of this stuff, if you actual care about real facts anyway.
Could you please clarify? It sounds like you are saying that individuals can choose to give true or false, misleading statements to investigators based on their belief on the legality of the underlying investigation, which would be chaos.
Based on your logic, would you also argue that people shouldn’t be prosecuted if they gave false or misleading statements in the Dunham investigation, if they felt that the basis of the investigation was unjustified?
As for Corona, it’s my understanding that, yes, HCQ is a good treatment if given early enough after infection, but is worthless if given late. I don’t give Trump any credit for pushing it as a “cure” with very little evidence to support it.
The complete lack of federal coordination in the response is deplorable, and continues today, nearly 6 months into this. It’s insane that states were bidding against each other AND the federal government for supplies a couple of months ago.
Even one of his in laws, Charles Kushner, served time in prison.
Donald Trump’s name should just be shortened to Don Trump, Mafia chief.
He is a Putin disciple each and everyday. I wont be surprised if we wake up the day after election day and see that Putin has been pulling the strings again and we are a nation under Russian control. Truth can become stranger than fiction very quickly.
Wait you still believe the Russian conspiracy theory? Lol my god. Trump is not great but Russian agent….there is zero evidence for that.
His worst time has not yet arrived. There is multiple October surprises coming. We should hope he doesnt try to stop the election or create another emergency that requires martial law. Somewhere between 2016 and 2020 Trump lost his marbles. He has behaved more erratically at each turn of his administration.
Probably lots of surprises tentatively slated for release in October.
Hope both sides realize that this year, 1/2 the vote will already have been mailed off before all the last-minute surprises leak.
Need September surprises in this cycle.
Looks like he’s starting to come around to the idea that he done goofed:
… and now some of his followers aren’t sure what bus they need to be on.
The short bus.
Trumpers appear to have been thrown UNDER the short bus…
where all stable geniuses keep their buddies.
The truth is science now supports a mask reducing viral load and reducing severe symptoms for those that do get sick. It turns out viral load is a huge factor in community immunity. A scotland study also found that Italy and New York only needed herd immunity of 20-40% before the viral infection rate fell off a cliff. That study said the virus may disappear as quickly as it came and only seek out the worst of the worst in future transmissions.
Will Gov Kemp abandon his ridiculous lawsuit against Atlanta now that masks are officially patriotic (well, at least according to “many people”)?
Governor Kemp cannot abandon idiocy because he is an idiot. It’s unfair to ask him to go against his nature.
Mish,
Off topic, but the monsoon season should be starting up soon and give you a break from the heat.
Yea!
Will I get rainbows?
Many may not like Biden, but hate ferociously tRump. That’s about it for this coming election.
From what I remember he wrong footed/ was wrong footed with the implementation of testing and a whole load of bad advice from who and international. After that he just moved towards making it all “business as usual” as far as possible, probably a personal reason he sidelined cdc, like they messed up somewhere. Leaving decisions to the states is right to my view because that is more representative, not sure if ratings have dropped more because this all takes leadership position away from him or because he is “occasionally over-optimistic”. It’s an unusual change because he was amongst the more serious about keeping the virus out of the US. So this all has challenged him and he just replies with what he stands for, which obviously doesn’t suit everyone and becomes more of the issue say with independents than it would otherwise be.
To answer a question.
Thanks – Corrected
I will go back to my original article and issue a correction.
Done
Correction
Trump is holding the bible correctly although it appears to be upside down. Initially I questioned if that was the case.
I wasn’t trying to hold you to account, it was more an example of how memes just work their way easily into any discourse. Appreciate that you clarified it though, for the integrity of doing so.
10 cases will become zero: bigly stupid.
50,000 deaths projected: willfully ignorant.
140,000 deaths reported: time to tweet image wearing mask.
the silent majority will prevail just like in 2016. You are out of your depth in politics and gauging how the silent majority thinks. Stick to what you know such as economics.
Seems to me that the majority of people know they’re getting boned either way. Trump made sense in 2016 when he ran as an outsider, but now that he’s a known quantity it’s awfully hard to be enthusiastic about him.
The Trump 2020 supporters are people who never cared about the MAGA rhetoric in 2016, they would have been equally supportive of Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich.
The group you speak of does not think, whines constantly, and is not a majority.
Trump only won in 2016 because of the Hilary “hate factor” plus the fact that he was an unknown political quantity and people wanted to believe he could change the way business is done in Washington. He succeeded in the latter but only by making things worse. Who would have thought that! Time to throw the bum out along with his sycophant cronies.
Biden hate factor is about equal, and Biden has dementia. No one wants Biden except for his V.P. who will be a woman of color because we are a racist country.
You’re going to eat your words when this sociopath loses in the biggest landslide in history. He’s the worst “leader” in the history of the world and it’s now laid bare for everyone to see. Anyone with half a brain understands the damage he’s done and will continue to do to this country if left in power. He’s singlehandedly destroying the USD.
Russian bot.
Agreed. It is his blog so he gives the reader his opinions. You can agree or not. I get a kick out of reading most of these posts and reader replies these days.
Not even close pal. Biden may be an anathema to Trump’s red meat supporters but that is about it. On the other hand the Trumpster has pissed of Democrats, Independents and quite a few Republican voters (such as me). The Trumpster is going down and the rest of the GOP are in danger of following him out the door.
LOL!
Even back in 2016, Trump didn’t get a majority. He didn’t even get more votes than Hillary.
It will be entertaining to watch the Trumposphere completely melt down on blind rage when the complete electoral annihilation of the GOP hits.
You guys can only flee from reality for so long. Eventually it penetrates your safe spaces and gives you a big old kick in the rear.
Says the anonymous poster, lol
The fact that the Republican Senate majority is now under threat should serve as a wake up call to the GOP. The Covid virus shows no sign of being brought under control any time soon given the idiotic Governors who refuse to adopt the steps necessary to effectively manage the outbreak. Time to throw the Donald under the bus.
There is no more GOP. There is only the Trump Cult.
Those conservatives formerly of the functional party called Republican would be wise to form a new party or join the Democrats.
Texas independent here. Trump lost me when the stay at home order ended here and he politicized mask wearing. Now Ted Cruz is surprised that Texas is turning blue. Stupid is as stupid does.
Full-blown TDS…of course Trump should have been bold, and insisted on targeted lockdowns of aged and other vulnerable population early on, and let everyone else go about their business…that was the obvious course of action, and was apparent after the first month. But if he had done that then whinny Mish would have found some other fault…Trump bad, always. Mish is now officially a Jackass (card-holding Dumbocrat)
ALL he had to do is let the CDC handle it, and make comforting speeches. That’s it.
But then it wouldn’t have been all about him. He finally met an enemy he couldn’t threaten. Ever notice how often he threatens actions – I might veto that, I might make a rule against this, let’s see what happens? I think this was his go to strategy when he was in the property business to keep his opponents off guard. It’s why he says he doesn’t like to plan because if he does he isn’t able to take advantage of reading the room. He lacks alternative strategies, especially strategies that are based on information and logic.
tRump is a school yard bully, asshole, who wants to bully everybody and their friends, including even teachers. he will beat anyone to death who gets a test score better than he does.
And the Democrat’s are left wing nuts who have no agenda or answers except to blame Trump for everything? What solutions have the Democrats proposed?
All you have to do is look at what the rest of the world is doing,listening to doctors and scientists. The man at the top has sidelined the CDC–the CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL–in the midst of a DISEASE that must be CONTROLLED. If you can’t get the stupidity of that, I’m not sure what would. What other agency in the US government was designed for that purpose?
It’s not about Trump, the entire world is struggling with it, but Trump has made critical parts of the fight all about what he, the stable genius that passed the MOCA test, thinks it should be. And it has been proven over and over, he is exactly what competent people who have left have said, an effin moron.