Impeachment Article Delivered
A second impeachment trial of Donald Trump is about to begin as Article of Impeachment Sent to Senate.
The House sent over the article of impeachment of former President Donald Trump to the Senate Monday evening, officially starting the countdown to a trial expected to highlight the rifts within the GOP over Mr. Trump’s legacy and his future influence over the party.
The House impeachment managers, who will act as the prosecutors in Mr. Trump’s second impeachment trial, walked through the Capitol to deliver the article, which alleges he incited a mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
“There is only one question at stake, only one question, that senators of both parties will have to answer before God and their own conscience,” said Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y) on the floor of the Senate. “Is former President Trump guilty of inciting an insurrection against the United States?”
House Impeachment Managers Deliver Article
This exact room, Statuary Hall, was overrun with pro-Trump rioters on Jan. 6.
— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) January 26, 2021
Senator Patrick Leahy (D., Vt.), is the the new president pro tempore of the Senate.
He will preside over the trial, which begins the week of February 8.
Jeff Flake Responds
If condoning President Trump’s behavior is required to stay in the AZGOP’s good graces, I’m just fine being on the outs. https://t.co/2rzCTu1AcZ
— Jeff Flake (@JeffFlake) January 24, 2021
I commented on Jeff Flake in Trump’s Revenge Tactics May Harm Republicans For Many Years
In his farewell speech, Trump said he will be back in ‘some form’. It will do neither him, nor the party any good.
Trump Will Not Be Back
Except to sling mud, Trump will not be back, convicted or not.
- What will his health be in 4 years?
- How many more things will he say or do that will turn off voters?
- Will he want to run?
- Will he be in prison on tax evasion or election fraud, unable to run?
Where are the Votes?
“Biden told CNN he believed the outcome would be different if Trump had six months left in his term, but said he doesn’t think 17 Republican senators will vote to convict Trump.” https://t.co/tWRgwCPSJD
— Nicholas Fandos (@npfandos) January 26, 2021
For now, I am still sticking with my assessment that McConnell may already have the votes.
For details, please see Which Senators Are Likely to Convict Trump?
In that post I named 15 possible Senators.
In McConnell Accuses Trump of Feeding a Mob Lies I upped the possible total to 21.
It is in neither McConnell’s best interest nor Biden’s to claim they have the votes so it’s not a good idea to rely on Biden’s statements today.
Finally, there are too many reasons for Trump not to be back, whether the cultists still love him or Trump is convicted.
Mish
Dems, Republicans – all corrupt, lying, treasonous, embezzling, oath violating, power hungry, self-serving, corporate whoring, Constitution violating, perjuring, adulterating whores who protect their own to the detriment of the People. Dems would not get rid of the Clinton Administration. Repubs would not convict or get rid of the toxic Bush Jr. or Trump despite clear evidence of trading with the enemy, consorting with known enemies of the People, denial of rights, conspiracy to deny rights, embezzlement, tax fraud, perjury, using public office for private gain and to benefit their friends, etc. Per our founding fathers, the only answer to our country’s woes at this point with any hope for justice like we the common folks face is to hang or shoot all the politicians for treason and start over as a nation going back to the basic tenets of our country as shown in the Federalist Papers and the original intent of the Constitution.
So sick of party politics. The dems wouldn’t get rid of a lying, corrupt Clinton administration even for perjury and other crimes against the People. The republicans play party favorites and politics to protect lying, adulterating, treasonous, profiteering, power abusing, embezzling, insurrection and violence supporting fellow republicans like Trump despite clear evidence he was unfit for the office from day 1. Answer to our country’s woes, shoot all the politicians or hang them from their treason and violations of Oath and Constitution and start over as a nation.
It boggles the mind why Trump wasn’t arrested immediately after Joe Biden’s inauguration. There were supposed to be many sealed indictments ready to go as soon as Trump was no longer in power. I think there is a lot of cowardice and fear that arresting Trump on appropriate criminal charges now will lead to more violence. But remember the appeasement of Adolf Hitler backfired badly. There was a great lack of courage standing up to Hitler until it was too late to prevent horrifying worldwide death and destruction.
New York and Georgia no doubt have indictments. Now, if they can just trick Trump into going to visit New York, or to Georgia….
Hell no. I blare my horn, “There she blows again”! & It ends up on the news! Congresswoman Wash st. Jamie Herrara, didn’t vote for Trump to not impeach. I was appalled. I’m not voting for her again. I threw a tizzy fit, now, she is feeling the back lash! As Dan New house. I told him Donald, Leave, & ride out into the sunset and just be quiet. Good thing the media of twitter, facebook & all those things he loves doing silenced him. Now, he can enjoy his retirement and you can forget him. He doesn’t need to be in the limelight anymore, unless your stealing from him, then, I will get a phone call. He should have tried to pardon himself, hell, he was ” doing it again, on every issue he or what they did to me 20 yrs ago, would have thought of. ” He was doing his job, & if those people don’t stick up for him, like who? They made me go through all that clearing of one’s life to be the only one, well, I guess then your not my friend. No way, will you ever be. You’d be a hypocrite. I know it and you know it! You should be appreciated if what happened this past 4 yrs pre COV. You got out of alot of problems you were knee deep in.
This is why the USA has the reputation it has for being a bunch of Bible thumping hypocrites. We’re always causing insurrections in other countries. Hillary Clinton laughed at the insurrection in Libya which resulted in the rape and murder of Libya’s head of state, the collapse of Libyan society, the refugee crisis, and the deaths of countless Libyans. Joe Biden flew to Kiev and backed the insurrection there which resulted in police engulfed in fire from Molotov cocktails. Everyone cheered when Iraqis were toppling statues of Saddam Hussein, the collapse of his government, the deaths of his sons and his own death. And it goes back decades, even the overthrow of democracies such as Iran’s.
Your post is nothing but unsubstantiated garbage.
Politican and historical evidence shows we put Hussein in power to begin with. Most of the countries that have given us our biggest headaches for the last 50 years or more are that way because we initially interfered and put one of our butt-monkeys in office. We have no business in the middle east as they have been killing each other since before Christ’s birth and spewing their pedophile hate-mongering for millenia.
Why did Roberts refuse to preside over the Impeachment? Isn’t this his duty? Putting Patrick Leahy in charge will only create a notion of politicization of the process.
Did Trump incite an insurrection? There is not really any doubt about that. Will he be convicted? That is doubtful. It’s a time when all Republican Senators will be forced to decide if they are loyal to the country, or loyal to Trump; to choose to either do the right thing, or to act like their narcissistic former President, and refuse to admit anything wrong was done.
If Trump is convicted, it will be painful, but then the Republican party can start to heal. It might take 4-8 years to heal, but it will at least be started. Remember that after Nixon resigned in August of 1974, knowing that he would be convicted, the Republican Party regrouped and reformed, and 6 years later, a stronger Republican Party took the White House for 12 years.
If he is acquitted, Trump will remain a festering wound that continues to destroy the Republican Party. Many will justifiably see the Republican Party as a party that stands for evil, and tolerates it. It will continue to shrink, and I would expect that they will remain out of power for 12-20 years. That, in turn, will allow time for the liberal wing of the Democrat Party to stamp an indelible footprint on the country, and for better or worse, the country will be changed forever.
If Trump is not physically able to run in 4 years, then he’ll run Ivanka as his proxy. The boys are too stiff and stylish Ivanka can siphon a few female democratic voters who aren’t too committed to the commie cause. The voters will now they’ll actually be voting for Donald Trump, just like voting for Michelle Obama would really be putting Obama back in charge for two more terms. The difference is Trump still has a legal term and Ivanka could conceivably have 2. Everyone mocked me when I said Trump would easily eviscerate Jeb and had the highest likelihood of winning the white house.
You mean Ivanka who outsources her clothing line to the commies in China? That Ivanka who makes Kung shoes rather than build American factories and support American jobs over “commie” jobs in a “commie” country. Made in China tags often seen next to Ivanka’s names.
Hey, if you want to keep pretending the Trump family cares…
NOBODY and I do mean NOBODY named Trump will ever siphon any votes from the democrats, if anything a Trump running for any federal office ever again will pump up dem turnout unlike any seen to date.
The longer Trump stays in the control of the GOP the better off Democrats will be. 2022 elections are 18 months away and Trump politically spokesman says he is going to primary anyone who crosses him. Expect more Georgia outcomes in 2022.
C_O, I actually believe that the damage to the right is permanent, that it is in schism and that is not going to change. The GOP is in self destruct mode and it is never going to “heal,” or come back from this. Everything Trump touches dies, and that is as true for the GOP as it was for anything else and maybe especially so.
It is going to take a while, months and maybe not till after the 2022 midterms when the GOP will have what may be the largest single midterm loss on electoral record, as Trump and his fascist far right Q wing of that party primaries every rank and file GOP candidate that runs. Many, like Portman simply are not going to run setting up a battle for the right between a regular conservative republican and far fascist right Q nut job that will eviscerate both, in all purple states like Ohio, and now Georgia and Arizona, the right will be going at the GOP hammer and tong while the democrats has easy sailing into office.
Not only that but we will see some states that we now presume are terminally red will go blue simply because of the far fringe right attacking the GOP candidates. I personally think that both Georgia and Arizona have demographically become more purple but that was not the reason why they shocked the nation by going blue, I think it was because they rejected Trump and his cult in what was always going to be a referendum on Trump himself.
What could change this? Well, for starters if Trump is convicted in his second impeachment trial, and I hate to use that term since his first impeachment “trial” was not a trial at all, it is not a trial if the people running it refuse to call any witnesses nor consider any evidence.
The actual conservatives will have to grow a spine and reject the far right now colonizing their party even if that means they themselves have to be the ones to leave and form a new party. As long as they are caving to the fascists and nuts and proud bois and Neo Nazis in their midst they are going to lose voters. Remember that the vast majority of voters are middle of the road and reject these fringe elements.
I think an important aspect is how Trump responded to the storming of the Capital. It’s been reported that he had to be talked into issuing a statement, and that it took a considerable amount of time. That seems like he was OK with what was happening. If I was in charge of the prosecution, I would be subpoenaing witnesses who were with Trump during that time. As much as anything this would be for the people of the USA to believe the stories of Trump’s behavior.
All you have to do is watch the video of Trump and his henchpeople in the party tent while they drank champagne and oooohed and awww’ed over news coverage of the storming of the capital, all they have to do to secure Trump’s place as the greatest villain to ever tread the corridors of power in the USA is play that video, and sure his so called party may refuse to convict him, but, that video will be shown in civics and history classes for the rest of time. It is proof positive that he not only incited the coup attempt, but enjoyed every minute of it. Reminder, the death toll of the insurrection stands at 5 with some people still in the hospital (not counting two capitol police officers who have subsequently committed suicide after video surfaced of them aiding and abetting the insurrection).
meanwhile in GOP land..Kellyanne Conway sends out topless picture of her daughter…Sidney Powell starts PAC for her legal defense…
….and Lin Wood is forced to undergo a psychiatric evaluation in order to keep his law license.
The evil men do lives after them,
While the good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Trump
Party of personal responsibility says nope to accountability.
No possible legal or constitutional consequences because consequences would hurt fee-fees.
Got that.
Is there anything left of the foundational, rock-solid beliefs of the Republican party?
That’s a serious question–is there anything left?
I think Mish is mistaken in saying that it is not in Trump’s interest to continue to meddle in republican party politics. Trump can keep himself in the media and exert power as the republic king maker by continuing to energize his “base” and encourage primary challenges, and threats of endorsing competitors, for any republican leaders who refuse to show fealty.
This would be terrible for the republican party, preventing them from moving on to a new post-Trump world, but it is the most effective means by which Trump can continue to maintain some degree of political power and national attention. As Trump has long said, the only thing that really matters to him is ratings, and becoming the spoiler-in-king for the republican party would certainly allow him to do that.
And I pray to god he stays out of prison long enough to utterly destroy republicanism.
Please do not take it personally Mish, but until your party does some soul searching and understands that it was their so called platform of being anti, anti everything basically, taxes which a nation of a third of a billion people with complex social issues, anti minority whether they were gay, brown, immigrant, whatever, anti democrat, and to a large extent anti DEMOCRACY with the endless plots to supress voting, to support institutions of denial of universal suffrage, of it very conservative values that required one sign on to the deeply outdated beliefs of the 18th century (as long as those beliefs benefit the right anyway) and for fighting settled law like Roe v Wade, your party gave rise to this level of insanity and fascism, to the cult that is now burning your party to the ground and trying to take the nation with it.
Republicanism, in it’s stiff necked and unyielding inability to compromise, with the scorched earth policies of people like Moscow Mitch, bear the ENTIRE responsibility for the rise of Trumpism and the fascist violent cult he controls. I want to hear any on the right deny that GOP party leadership rode Trump’s populism to their own position of power in which they cut democrats out of governance for the last 4 years and nearly entirely for 6. Because when you deny this you are lying and you know it.
So when those MAGA tears flow and the whining on the right starts about the tyranny of the new democratic power in DC now start, I am going to enjoy years of well deserved schadenfreude as I watch the GOP tear itself to atomic pieces. Because there will be no return to that GOP of stasis and denial and hate. The GOP is now in a position where it will have to change if it is ever going to be relevant again, it will have to stake out the middle of the political road in America and if it refuses to it will go down in flames and smoke like the dumpster fire Trump lit.
First off this is a political trial and not so much based on the facts at hand. Hence to have lawyers there seems to miss the point. In fact, in a court of law, it would be hard to prove that Trump incited violence…at the limit, his words were construed as an act of sedition, and the funny thing as more time passes the more information comes out to show how much Trump’s organizations did to support the demonstration — but a demonstration and invading the Capitol are two different things.
Must say that I don’t miss The Donald at all
As I say above, all they will have to do to prove Trump both incited the coup attempt and enjoyed the outcome is show the video of him and his closest family and supporters in the party tent watching and dancing and drinking champagne and laughing as our capitol was sacked. And trust me they WILL be showing that video in civics classes and university PoliSci classes for the rest of time. So while it is possible that the GOP minority will refuse to convict Trump for his crimes that does not mean he is going to get away with them nor does it rule out criminal prosecution for treason.
For me it is as simple as this, if Trump is punished appropriately for his crimes then the US has a chance at a future, if he gets away with his treasonous coup attempt we have no future as a nation.
If the far fascist right wants to start a civil war over the administration of justice then so be it, the guilt is upon their heads and there will be no reconstruction this time, they will simply be treated as the terrorists they are. As far as I am concerned the Utah desert is large enough to hold 30 million or more of them till they simply expire.
The ultimate Trump defence:
A failure to recognize that what a “performance artist” does is “entertainment” is the fault of the dopey listener.
I am curious why Alex Jones is not a subject/or charged with this insurrection. Sure he didn’t enter the Capitol but his presence encouraging his Infowars sheep to storm the Capitol was evident in many of the videos I have seen. One of these Infowars lambs told the FBI he was committed to carrying out the schedule Jones laid out prior to the insurrection. Alex Jones ignored many truths about Donald Trump that he has spoke out against for years (such as it was the Rothchild Bank that bailed Trump out of his Taj Mahal financial woes) to become a warrior in Trump’s Kool-Aid drinking army.
A failure to recognize that what a “performance artist” does is “entertainment” is the fault of the dopey listener.
That is the fall-back of people like Alex Jones.
I replied to this earlier…..just wanted to mention that the courts have cleared the way for the Sandy Hook parents to sue Jones in civil court. I expect they will absolutely tear him a new ass.
It wouldn’t sadden me if he has additional legal problems for his actions.
Apparently Flake got kicked out of his GOP family…
Looking back at the past four years after I jumped off the Trump train and tried to point out the reckless government spending Trump was pushing, demanding the Fed to continue the endless printing of dollars while pushing low interest rates even lower blowing the bubble bigger, his inability to lead his party to fully repeal Obamacare, his push for more gun control, and so many other actions that should not have been embraced by small government types, I pray my family lets go of Donald Trump and heals the wounds that have been created throughout my family caused by Trump’s divisiveness. Never in my right mind did I believe my own mother would stop talking to me for opposing trillion dollar deficits, gun control actions of POTUS, bailouts, redistribution of wealth, and so many other actions of Donald Trump.
I have a cousin who has been shamed by his father for not supporting Trump. It’s sad.
Dear Bill: Don’t hold your breath.
this is the greatest shame of it all; the way one,( I won’t call him a man, because he has proven, he is not a real man), person could influence a nation the way he has manhandled the U.S. I don’t know what was in the kool-aid, but it turned millions of family loving individuals into strangers who, not only don’t speak, but have trained their children to follow them down the wrong path. We are living in biblical days. It is time for all people who love history to start reading their bibles, the greatest history book ever written. Stories written by the ancient prophets are materializing right before our eyes. Especially read Paul’s letters to Timothy and to the Thessalonians: It’s today’s world, happening now. Children rising up against parents, people believing lies, God help us! The good news is that Jesus’ return is imminent, and soon, so get ready, get ready, get ready!
If Trump’s behavior is any indication what the GOP now approves as noted by the actions of the state party in Arizona, I am with Flake as a lifetime Republican voter who didn’t vote for Trump and support the Trumplican arm of the party. Count me out.
What will be interested knowing fakes like Ted Cruz, Chris Christi, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and others are already thinking about 2024, is how they will act if they have to run against Trump and how they will attack him to ensure they get through the primary process as the winner. I am sure Mish will be one of the sources we can count on to remind these people of their blind servitude to Donald Trump.
I do hope we find a true liberty small government type to inspire the GOP and properly lead the GOP back to something that more closely resembles sanity.
Unfortunately Bill it was the so called “small government libertarian” mindset of the conservative right that gave us the Qanon/proud bois phenomenon you are so busy repudiating now. The GOP has one choice, it is between swallowing Trump cultism whole and going balls to the wall with it, wholeheartedly endorsing domestic terrorism and a breakup of the USA, along with total fascism in their respective remaining spheres of influence, or changing the values of that party to include some semblance of humanitarian goals. There just is no more middle ground for that party, no compromise with the terrorists that are taking the republican party over.
Before you balk at this view of the new GOP just look at their refusal to hold Trump to account even after he is out of office. I live in one of the deepest red counties in Florida where the local congress fascist signed on to the Texas lawsuit and I can tell you straight up the GOP is a dead thing if it does not get rid of Trumpism right now and repudiate what he has done to the American political stage. These domestic terrorists in the Trump cult have to be deprived of the oxygen that keeps their movement alive, and if the GOP refuses to do that out of convenience or fear or the greed for power and reelection then it is going to die and may well burn this nation to the ground in the process. Either way you are not going to like the Trump legacy.
Insurrection? Really ? You aint seen nothing yet ! Btw, the demonstrators, under the circumstances, behaved quite decently, especially when compared with looting and property destroying Blm and Antifa terrorists. In a worst case scenario they might ve burnt the symbolic mthrfckr down! It is funny actually that the US of A finally got a tiny little taste of the medicine it applies in other countries, orchestrating and/or supporting riots under the fake heading of democracy ! Trump is a fckn coward though, he should have headed the protestors on their way to the sacred Temple of Corruption, a smug and spoilt brat like him lacks the cojones of course. And yet Trump and his populist rant are NOT to blame, he was merely the catalyst bringing to the surface deep rooted underlying frustrations by a increasing number of superfluous people within the context of a modernized, automized, informatized, greenitized, ostracized, internationalized etc, society. A society in which more and more people, even middle class, are being pushed off ‘the american dream ‘wagon. For the time being, the Dems will appease the ‘deplorables’ with out of the blue created money. What will happen when(not if) inflation reaches disproportionate numbers ? I hope I am wrong but the future definitely doesn t bode well, not only in the US for that matter, Europe is sick in the same bed, with a better social safety net still, unsustainable nonetheless….
But Antifa and BLM… LMAO
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“Btw, the demonstrators, under the circumstances, behaved quite decently, especially when compared with looting and property destroying Blm and Antifa terrorists.”
Wait – BLM and antifa ransacked the US capitol and tried to murder members of congress? How did I miss that?
‘they tried’ ….that’s what the socialist CNN channel says or would say, no matter what …
They were successful in beating a police officer to death, which hardly seems like decent behavior to me.
If Democrats keep their majorities in 2022 and keep the WH in 2024, then there is no democracy left and there will certainly be a war of secession. Red-blooded Americans do not want to be lorded over by America-last garbage like Biden/Harris.
Oh PLEASE do, and I am so sorry but your delusional MAGA tears are just so delicious. How about we have an infrastructure program right now today starting to build FEMA camps in Eastern Montana or western North Dakota – enough to house 30 million domestic terrorists. For life, as the treasonous idiots the MAGA cult really is. And make them work the land for their own sustenance, no plowing no chowing.
You are full of shit FB.
Wake up to the obvious. The democrats are using this as an excuse to push through their fascist agenda. They want complete authoritarian control of the country and will use this as an excuse to silence the opposition.
It’s a real shame none of those Trump cultists who stormed the Capitol never once thought of the dangers they were placing upon our freedoms and liberty. No doubt their actions, words, and anger will be used for more infringements upon our gun rights, privacy rights, and free speech. The idiots who stormed the Capitol enabled the Democrats for the scenario you now paint.
The Republicans condemned the storming of the Capitol. No Dem’s condemned the Antifa/BLM riots of the summer. See the difference yet?
Republicans, aren’t those the same idiots who promise to reduce government spending and yet continue to spend like Democrats? Yes, it’s those Republicans. I guess if that makes you feel better about your voting choices, you go right ahead and keep pretending. I think you have Stockholm Syndrome and have fallen in love with one of the two corrupt political parties that continue to rob you of your rights and your income while amusing you with such political theater. LOL, they condemned the riots on January 6. Let’s continue to support them despite they don’t follow through with actually securing freedom and reducing freedom.
Well that is really stretching the truth, in fact it is a lie. You have that bottle blond Nazi Marjorie Taylor Greene in congress threatening the lives of democrats and blaming the capital insurrection on Antifa and BLM as a false flag operation, so you are just as full of shit as anyone posting here.
The Trump cult did this and the consequences are going to be severe. And no, you are not going to be allowed another civil war, you support domestic terrorism and you have to pay the price for that. It is a high price too, possibly the highest in as much as the ultimate punishment for treason is capital punishment.
It will take some time to get to all of you, but it can and will be done.
Democrats fascists? “Look! Squirrel!”. Who tried to take over the government through unconstitutional means. Look who was “joking” about a third term. Look who said the constitution allowed the president to do whatever he wanted.
Ah the best part of waking up used to be Folgers in our cups, now it is the MAGA tears of the Trump cult – domestic terrorists to the very last one. Your advocacy to treason and sedition is all the excuse we will ever need to build and fill a gulag of fascist right wing criminals, and those that have committed no crime but do not support the imprisonment of terrorists and traitors can always avail themselves of exile.
The real question is does the truth even matter?
….and in times of abundant lies and deceit , the truth becomes unacceptable, criminal even !
The truth does not matter to people who do not understand reality or who refuse to accept when they are fascist traitors. Just saying, people like FB are insane and belong in the history books as supporters of people like Hitler and Trump. They lost but just do not understand that yet, meaning they are essentially not in touch with adult reality. Crazy to put it mildly.
I don’t know why they didn’t include election tampering in the charges. They have over sixty minutes of audio of him trying to tamper the Georgia presidential election. I am quite certain that if Biden said the same thing that Trump did outside the capital then all GOP senators would vote to convict and most likely at least 17 Democratic senators.
The real election tampering happened at Facebook and Twitter. Had Democrats actually been allowed to KNOW about how corrupt Hunter Biden and Pa Biden were, 4.6% of them would have changed their vote. So they undoubtedly stole the election for Biden by ILLEGALLY acting as publishers when FCC section 230 says they cannot. link to msn.com
PC you are right about Trump’s MANY attempts to tamper with elections, but for the most part those high crimes and misdemeanours are breaking state laws. They could have included charges on constitutional grounds at the federal level for conspiracy (several conspiracies) to deprive citizens of their rights to vote and have that vote counted, but really the actual footage of the Trump Cult who by their own admission attacked the capitol and tried to overturn the US government and kill politicians if they got the chance, were responding to Trump’s call to arms.
What more does anyone need to prove domestic terrorism and or treason? We could charge Trump with literally dozens and dozens of crimes, but when you have him inciting domestic terror on live TV why bother with all the lesser crimes? He should be rendered to Guantanamo and given a fair trial by military tribunal with capital punishment carried out summarily. Just like any other terrorist.
(Politico) A message from the Trump camp…
The message from Brian Jack, Trump’s former political director at the White House, is the latest sign that Republicans considering an impeachment conviction will do so knowing that Trump may come after them in upcoming primaries if they vote to convict him for “incitement of insurrection.”
Jack did not mention impeachment in his calls. But he wanted the word to get around that Trump is still a Republican — and for many, still the leader of his party.
“The president wanted me to know, as well as a handful of others, that the president is a Republican, he is not starting a third party and that anything he would do politically in the future would be as a Republican,” recounted Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.). “The Republican Party is still overwhelmingly supportive of this president.”
That the GOP still supports Trump, given his record, tells you all you need to know about the GOP.
No other President in recent history delivered on so many campaign promises. He had quite the record indeed.
Trump couldn’t even lead his party to repeal the disastrous Obamacare. Let’s start with there. Then you have the $8 trillion in new debt along with the multiple attacks against gun rights. Yes, quite the record considering almost 12 years of Republicans and Trump promising us Obamacare would be repealed. Now the Democrats plan to restore it to its full tyranny and Trump and the GOP are to blame.
Obamacare is the only reason most Trump voters still have health care. Had the “preexisting condition” clause not been made illegal by the ACA, the overweight diabetic geriatrics in the Trump base would have lost insurance years ago.
Trump didn’t deliver on any of his campaign promises.
The wall was never built.
China kicked his ass on trade.
Deficits went through the roof.
And he exited the White House with higher unemployment and lower manufacturing activity than when he entered.
But it is not up to him if people choose to be in his republican party. He is claiming the party as his property, and doing that will destroy it, it will never win another election. Yes about 1/2 of the GOP is MAGA cult, but the other half is middle of the road moderate republican conservatives who will like Mish or Lincoln Project republicans either join the nescient and futile Libertarian party thus voiding their own say in the political life of the US, or as in the case of most Lincoln Project republicans temporarily join with democrats to defeat the insane MAGA cult that has corrupted what we already knew to be as corrupt a right wing political system as the nation ever saw.
He controls the minds and votes of no more than 35 million Americans out of 270 million eligible to vote, they know for a solid fact that cannot win in the voting booth and so resort to violence, we saw that on live TV this very month.
The MAGA Cult is all by itself creating a democratic party monolith that will rule for many election cycles simply because the GOP is destroying itself in real time, and I for could not be happier, I just cannot wait for them to start killing innocent civilians in their domestic terror plots, it is all the justification we need to round them all up and rid the nation of them once and for all.
Nazis once Nazis always, they lost in 1945 and neither the Reich nor the confederacy are going to rise again, the sooner they accept that the sooner they can have voices in government, but as it is till they repudiate * work* to end domestic terrorism they are stained by it’s legacy, because the right birthed this terrorism and insanity, they own it and they alone can fix it, denial is no longer an option. You start by repudiating Trump himself and punish him for his crimes, till you do that you are in a downward spiral that end a lot worse than you can even imagine.
Trump was a life long Democrat. There was talk before he was elected that he was a Trojan Horse sent to destroy the Republican Party. It is curious how his rants lost Georgia, and afterwards he started playing nice with the transition.
I always was amazed the rednecks on TV we saw on January 6 with their MAGAt red caps never figured out Trump successfully pushed more gun control while in office than Obama–from the bump stock and honey badger ban to FIX NICS. Trump also called for great federal power to Dianne Feinstein’s giddiness. Look at the GOP today. No platform. No principles. No respect for law and order and police officer’s lives or even our national monuments such as the US Capitol….
I don’t recognize this party anymore. In 1992, I worked my ass off in the local Greene County Republican HQ in Missouri trying to get Republicans elected while handing out “Character Matters” bumper stickers. I’d get laughed out of the room today if I tried to hand those out.
I don’t have a party, and I regret believing the GOP ever cared about my conservative views.
It’s hard to discount that theory, but even as a conspiracy wacko myself (on some issues, not all!) I can’t go there. Trump is a narcissist’s narcissist. He wouldn’t voluntarily become a punching bag for “good” of the Democratic Party.
Bull crap, Trump does what is good for Trump and nobody else, he is a charlatan and illiterate disgusting human being. He is a traitor to the United States and democrats had nothing to do with it. He never facilitated anything in the transition he never once even used Biden’s name. To this day he insists he “won” the election.
I’d be very surprised if he gets convicted. And anything other than a conviction is NOT good for the country, at this point. It will perceived as a criminal President getting away with inciting murder by a lot of people.
All the people will know he got away with reprehensible behavior….and it will be obvious that the rule of law has been taken for a ride one more time…and that” important” men can do and say things the rest of us would go to jail for…..
I will say this….if the people that Trump incited to riot go to jail and he does not even get convicted and made ineligible, it’s a miscarriage of justice, and that Trump’s foot soldiers will have taken the fall for him. And that….is quite likely at this point.
Inciting murder? What are you talking about? Even the democrats haven’t accused him of that.
And calling it a riot is a stretch. A few windows were broken. The police let the protesters into the capital.
His call to march on the Capitol led to the death and multiple injuries of Capitol police officers. The amazing thing is there were blue lives matters flags being flown by the protesters. Blue lives matter until you don’t bow down to the elected king.
His call was to peacefully march to the Capitol. You forgot an adjective (like the rest of MSM).
I had been watching that little gathering develop in Twitter for quite some time. The words Trump used to describe it is it was going to be “wild.” Wild usually doesn’t imply “peace.” Funny how you forget things leading up to the actual event.
There is the small matter of the 4 deaths that resulted from this violent protest.
The body count is 5, 4 protesters, one capitol police officer, and if you want to be really honest it is actually seven dead as two other capitol police have committed suicide after footage of them helping insurrectionists came out in public. Let us stop calling them protestors, they were not protesting anything, they were actively trying to overthrow the government and murder politicians like Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence. It was organized, paid for, and planned in advance with Trump’s knowledge, and funded at least in part with millions from his own campaign funds.
Trump campaign had paid $2.7M to organizers of rally ahead of Capitol riot: report
This comes from none other than The Hill, your own right wing website.
That means Trump was part of a conspiracy to incite this insurrection, treason, and sedition. An attempt to overthrow government which has now resulted in the deaths of 7 people.
Justice will be done no matter how much denial the republicans try, it will be done or there will be no more USA. Our constitution and our rule of law will be upheld.
Just because you deny you are part of the attempt to overthrow our government is not going to get you off the hook. Treason is a very serious, maybe the single most serious crime in our nation, the founders considered it so, and it’s ultimate punishment is death for a good reason. Perhaps those that sacked our Capitol should have thought of that when they planned and executed their plot, because there are going to be more executions, but it will be the murderers that attacked this country getting what they so richly deserve.
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Oh but we have accused him of it and more. And if he is not convicted and held to account those that shield him will never have a say in government again. No matter what that means for the US this time there will be justice or everything we stand for as a nation will be gone, and yep, there will be a one party rule for the rest of our lives, and better it be democrats than republicans.
Campaign commercials in 2024 beginning with the “I will be with you marching on the Capitol” quote will be brutal for Trump including coming from GOP candidates who will be forced to run against him who aren’t going to put up with being reduced to a character through a kindergarten level moniker like “Little Marco” or “Lyin’ Ted.” They may work for the poorly educated Trump loves, but it won’t go much further this time.
Grown ups understand that he never called for violence. Just as you can’t hold the Democrats in power accountable for all the death violence and destruction that Antifa and BLM have caused, you can’t hold President Trump accountable for the actions of a few nutcases. Nutcases who, by the way, met with ridiculously little (suspiciously little) resistance at the Capitol building.
I never saw the Democrats rally BLM or ANTIFA minutes before they inflicted harm on a target approved by the POTUS. As well, there are multiple times Trump did call for violence in his rhetoric and you can’t forget he told the white supremacist group the Proud Boys, who we now know where at the front of the efforts on January 6, to be ready during the presidential debate. Trump’s words on the January 6 speech include lighter fluid such as “walk down to the Capitol,” adding, “You will never take back our country with weakness.” When Trump was called out on January 6, he sent a message of love to these idiots telling them he loved them and they were very special.
Then we have all sorts of Trump soundbites over the past five or six years as well such as this one.
The funny thing is starting an argument with “grown ups understand” Trump never… seems to forget this is a president who really didn’t win office with a strong understanding of issues or even a solid plan. He did so by calling his opponents childish names like “lyin’ Ted” and “little Marco” and reducing them to caricatures and then going as far as attacking the appearance of one of these man’s wife. As a grown up, it was like watching a little spoiled kid in a reality TV show.
A guy got murdered…beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. Are you denying that happened?
This man, Brian Sicknick. Killed by Trumpets….37 “persons of interest” are being investigated in his death….But if Trump hadn’t incited that mob, he’d be alive today.
Maybe it was a tragic accident…he just accidentally bashed his head again and again against the equipment some patriot who was trying to put out a trash fire? Your ability to rationalize this kind of behavior in you own mind is a clue that you’re in a cult.
A cop who was there said this:
“We weren’t battling 50 or 60 rioters in this tunnel. We were battling 15,000 people.
‘It looked like a medieval battle scene,’ Fanone said.
He and his colleagues rushed to the Capitol after hearing an urgent call for back-up on the radio.
Some say they had their batons stolen. One officer, who was dragged into the mob, said they tried to grab his gun.
Yes murder.
The video I saw linked to on this site shows a guy tossing the fire extinguisher into a crowd of police officers. Seems like it hit this officer just right/wrong and killed him.
Do you know if that is what happened? Or is that a different video and the officer really was beat with it?
I’d like to know what happened.
That was a different fire extinguisher and different cop, but that cop went in for treatment also.
Understood. Thanks
Excuse me Eddie, with all respect, but sometimes it is better not trying to be an hero, against a crazed mob…..
The guy was just doing his job. One that he probably never figured on being quite that dangerous.
But I totally agree about not being a hero. The last place you’ll ever find me is in the street at some protest. I avoid crowds…..they often go mad. I recommend my friends and my kids to avoid public spectacles of all kinds.
If the standard for incitement is demagoguery, then Obama is guilty of the murder of six Dallas police officers who were gunned down by a BLM activist after Obama declared that “there is a culture of racism in our nation’s police force.” Where was the outrage then?
shssssssst, this is utterly inappropriate and unrelated….
More Mish TDS…please stop the non-stop Trump BS. Insurrection??? Please…this was vandalism, trespassing, and simply a protest out of control after it was hijacked by a handful of provacaturs. Only the delusional or politically sociopathic would call this relatively minor event an insurrection.
Is Trump a knumbskull? Sure. But if we used that standard to measure traitous intent, 80% of the people working in DC would be guilty.
January 6th was Trump’s Coup de Grace. He won’t be back in four years. But 17 Republican will not vote to convict. The percentage of Republican voters still backing Trump are too high. Republicans are still too afraid of being primaried or have dreams of running for President and don’t want to lose the backing of Trump Republicans. No other way to explain Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio. Doubt they really believe what they are pedaling. Niki Haley says Trump was just having a bad day:
“January 6th was a tough day. The actions the president since Election Day were not his finest,” Haley said, engaging in rank understatement. “It troubles me greatly because I am proud of the successes of the Trump Administration. Those were the right policies. That’s what our party cares about and looking to do. If you look at the foreign policy side, the strength we were able to show was really important.”
The problem in addition to Senate Republicans afraid of the fallout is 12 of them signed on to Trump’s coup attempt declaring they would vote to not recognize state certified votes. Founders new the Senate was political body and this is the problem with holding an unbiased fair trial in the Senate. The results will be political. Of course to the unbiased mind there can be no doubt. Trump’s acts were committed virtually in front of the American people. We all saw and heard his call to the Georgia A.G.. We saw the repeated lies that the election was stolen, the lies about Dominion and Smartmatic. We heard Trump and his surrogates plan and incite the base. Taken in whole and in context the intent was clear.
Founders knew the Senate was political body
Republicans are in quite the dilemma. They want power and crave the institutional power that the QAnon people provide in the GOP.
But the QAnon people aren’t well-regarded outside of the party, and their divisive nature and cult-like adoration of the former president are narrowing the base of the party.
It seems likely to me that a QAnon-submissive Republican has a good chance of dominating the GOP, but virtually no chance of being taken seriously in the mainstream. When state parties are tweeting out apologia for conspiracy theories and changing their motto to “we are the storm,” you’ve got a problem reaching everyday voters.
This is okay with me, Trump not getting convicted in the senate because republicans know their party is finished if they vote for conviction (cowardice) itself means the end of that disgusting party. They will now spend what time remains to that party tearing itself apart and losing elections.
Just because he is charged by the US House and the senate lets him off the hook does not mean he will not spend most of the rest of his life in prison. He can still be charged with capital treason and sedition for his crimes, and even if he gets off on that somehow the State of New York has a few unpleasant surprises for him. Two grand juries, one a civil tax fraud case that is going to wipe out any assets he has, the other a criminal grand jury that is going to lock him up for the rest of his natural life for crimes that were committed before he ever ran for office.
Donald Trump is a loser shitbag that is going to get justice and frankly the sentiments of his Cult just don’t matter, they can threaten all they want to, they will wake to the fact that those threats are sedition and any acts related to them are treason. They will go down with their fuhrer, and so will the GOP and that is now a fait accompli.
Doesn’t matter whether he is or not. The trial is just bread and circuses to distract the masses from the fact that Biden, Congress and the Senate is essentially impotent to solve any real crises like say the Covid one or the fact that massive unemployment is coming with no realistic plan to get America working again.
I don’t think Trump ever planned to seriously run again in 4 years any more than I believed Hilary would after she lost 4 years ago. At best he was (is?) hoping to pave the way for an Ivanka run. That may be scuttled now.
Trump will never be in jail. At least not what any of us would consider jail. As a former president he gets lifetime security detail from Secret Service. They would not be able to be next to him in prison, even in club Fed. With the state secrets and other things he knows he would be a massive target. At absolute worst he’d get house arrest in Mar Largo followed by a commuted sentence.
I live 1 hour away from Mar a Largo & can smell the stench and feel the dark karma of Trump who will end up in United States jail of political oblivion!.Your not much of a thinker or political analyst, Stay in your lane BrOpie!
I agree. Outside of being convicted of 1st degree murder, there’s no way Trump, or any former president, is going to jail.
Maybe they’ll build him a special taxpayer funded jail and lock him up like Hannibal Lector.
Nobody named Trump will ever hold political office in this country again, as to jail time, toss of a coin on that, at least at the federal level, NY state has a few ugly surprises for the fat assed orange spy though, and oh by the way so does russia.
‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy
Piling up incriminating information about Trump’s Russian connections
Ex-KGB Spy Says Russia Cultivated Donald Trump As Asset For 40 Years
I have always held that Trump was a willing spy for Russia, and the evidence of the damage he has done to the US supports that claim.
The day will come when russia drops what it knows about Trump because they just have milked their asset for all it’s worth, by exposing these facts about Trump being a russian asset they will get one final terrible use out of him. And you who are MAGA Cult are going to look and feel just as stupid and used as you actually are, I expect a wave of suicides to hit the US that can only be compared to the one in Germany early May of 1945.
If Trump is guilty then a hell of a lot of Democrats are guilty too for statements they’ve been making all through 2020. But everyone has quietly ignored them, even though they were clear and overt. Then Trump’s statements are blown up into a huge thing. Supposedly they are ‘dog whistles.’
Yet people wonder why the opposition to the Dems is getting more and more angry. It’s a puzzle alright.
What does anger prove? Anger does not equal being right.
I’ve known plenty of dumb, angry people over the years.
Very easy to whip dumb people into a froth of anger.
Democrats encouraged a mob of people to storm the Capitol? Interesting assertion. I assume you have links to news stories confirming this otherwise unsupported allegation?
No, they encouraged (perhaps incited) people to attack cops, federal buildings, justified rioting and looting, all on the basis of the big lie that police are hunting down black men.
If true, would that rise to the same level as trying to overturn the constitutional government of the United States and a valid election in your mind?
Would this count? It’s kinda’ close. It’s State though.
I guess I missed the parts in Wisconsin where they smashed their way in, erected a noose, brought in zip ties to take hostages, murdered a cop, broke into the legislative chambers, assaulted peace officers, and walked out with various items ripped from the offices of legislators after defacing the building with graffiti and feces. All of that happened in the DC GOP riot.
Do not bother responding to this drivel, it is a Faux News link and totally debunked already, and it goes without saying that the demonstration (WHICH IS AN INALIENABLE RIGHT) did not include violence, death, overthrow of the government, pipe bombs, or conspiracy to commit treason or sedition.
LOL “what about….” yeah, let’s have a thousand word essay on how it is all the democrat’s fault, or buttery males, or any other false equivalence you can fantasize about. I mean republicans have been pulling this crap for decades, why stop now.
And I am so happy to see you pulling that old chestnut out of your ass because as long as you are denying your role and culpability your party and thus your racist hate filled voices are not going to mean anything from now on.
“Is Trump Guilty of Inciting an Insurrection Against the United States?”
No.
Yes.
The day after Christmas, Donald Trump tweeted a familiar theme with an ominous new twist: He suggested that the “Rigged & Stolen” 2020 presidential election, as he called it, could be considered “an act of war, and fight to the death.”
He was planning this for months, he paid almost $3 million we know of to organizers of the coup to engineer this out of his own “stop the steal” funds that he duped MAGAtards out of.
He is as guilty as any party in the entire conspiracy to overthrow the government and all the denial in the world is going to save his fat orange ass from prison.
Perhaps your time would be better spent considering if it is not wise to be careful what you wish for, because if you cannot win an election you damned well are not going to win a war.
The notion that Trump will come back like a zombie from the undead is as ridiculous as the allegations that he was on the phone with Putin during the Jan 6 disturbances. Impeaching somebody who cannot actually be impeached, like the trial of pope Formosa, will only serve to turn the public against Rome, er, Washington. There will be no benefit but will serve to further fracture American society.
“Impeaching somebody who cannot actually be impeached…will only serve to turn the public against Rome, er, Washington.”
Along with crap policies like the funding of abortion overseas, catering to illegal aliens, and killing US jobs in the name of preventing climate change. Wealth redistribution in the name of racial equity will seal the deal when those policies starting affecting the offspring of the white woke suburban soccer moms.
Well said my Bro!.
You obviously don’t understand impeachment. He has been impeached for a second time. The only question is will he be convicted.
can you explain why Trump can’t be impeached? Because he’ not President?
In 1876, as the U.S. House of Representatives was about to vote on articles of impeachment against Secretary of War William Belknap over corruption charges, Belknap walked over to the White House, submitted his resignation letter to President Ulysses S. Grant.
The House still went ahead and impeached Belknap, and the Senate tried him, with the impeachment managers arguing that departing office doesn’t excuse the alleged offense — otherwise, officeholders would simply resign to escape conviction or impeachment.
And the Senate voted in 1876, by a 37-29 margin , that Belknap was eligible to be impeached and tried even though he resigned from office.
Impeachment (from the same word as impede and empêcher) is an accusation of a public official with an eye to disqualifying the official from exercising the office (hence the word). Once somebody is no longer a public official any impeachment proceedings are only taking place in an attenuated and metaphorical sense, in the same way that a trial of somebody who is dead is kind of a stretch.
Legal schollars differ, the majority support. Also can’t ban someone from office wihtout first impeaching and convicting. Some seators may vote not-guilty using the process argument you are putting forth but that’s a political position. As I stated the precedent and legal opinion say it can be done.
The Constitution clearly links the concept of “Conviction” with that of “Removal”. If you can’t remove (because he’s gone), then you can’t Convict. And if you can’t convict, then you can’t impose penalties on a non-convict.
“The Constitution clearly links the concept of “Conviction” with that of “Removal”. If you can’t remove (because he’s gone), then you can’t Convict. And if you can’t convict, then you can’t impose penalties on a non-convict.”
Incorrect, it states removal is a punitive result of conviction, not a prerequisite.
“…shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
No, removal is only ONE of the penalties listed in the constitution.
It is funny to watch the alt-right, who despise the fourteenth and other amendments that undermine the arguments against equal rights espoused by the far right, suddenly redefine “constitutional.”
It is a sign they know that their conduct was reprehensible and — more importantly — that they know Americans see it too.
“Quick, change the subject! Try and make the debate about technicalities rather than our criminal actions!”
By the way, it’s Pope Formosus.
No edit function. Formosa is another name for the island of Taiwan.
The idea that a criminal who knowingly committed a premeditated act of violence should avoid conviction to “reduce division” is pretty ridiculous.
I’m hoping that law enforcement pay attention to the rhetoric coming out of the GOP. Republicans murdered a cop and are saying that convicting the people responsible is “divisive” — that’s a major deviation from all the “back the blue” rhetoric.
How many more cops would need to be murdered by angry Republicans before “divisive prosecutions” become necessary? Two? Twelve? A hundred?
in hindight were the Nuremberg trial divisive?
I suspect that Hawley would think so. I would disagree with him.
“premeditated act of violence”. So glad you’re not a prosecutor.
You guys don’t like it when your violence is called out.
But the American people see it.
The conservative “back the blue and respect the flag” brigade beat a Capitol cop to death with an American flag, and are now demanding we “get over it and move on for unity’s sake,” with no consequences for their premeditated criminal conduct.
Unfortunately for you, mainstream America won’t be moving on until prosecutions happen.
Is Trump guilty? Hell, yes. Will he be found guilty? Hell, no. All water under the bridge at this point. I am more interested in how some of the State cases play out. I sure as hell hope the Republican Party comes to its senses and steps away from the white racist politics promoted by Trump and embraced by his white non college degree supporters.
The primary utility of the impeachment will be putting the votes of the GOP senators on the record. Anyone who votes “no” is explicitly saying that Blue Lives Don’t Matter.
12 years too late.
The establishment GOP needs to cut out the MAGA cancer and take their meds before it is too late. Otherwise it will destroy it from within.
My conclusion too.
I think they’re reluctant because they realize that Trump brought new blood to the GOP.
At some point they need to wake up to the reality that those people aren’t sticking around and stop trying to straddle their bets. If they stand by Trump, they’ll still lose most of his voters. There’s only 1 decision for them to make.
The new blood Trump brought in the GOP will return to watching wrestling on pay per view once Trump’s political expiration date occurs in which he is no longer a viable force in American politics. That may have occurred, but I am still leaving it open. Many of these people aren’t going to embrace voting for what 90% of the GOP really is. This is like a meth high for the GOP.
Yes, I agree.
And the best thing for a meth addict is to ditch the meth. The sooner, the better.
Trump brought some new people into the party, but also chased many, many people out of the party. The bottom line is that Trump came in controlling both houses of Congress, and the Presidency, and by the end, lost all three. If it was really true that Trump grew the party, he’d still be in office, and would have both houses of Congress, too. The evidence is strong that he shrunk the party, or that, if he nominally grew the Republican Party, he caused the Democrat Party to grow even faster. Worse, he also divided the Republican Party, and they will be hard pressed to be a factor again for a dozen years.
The bulk of the Trumpers are working class white folks that have been abandoned by the Dems since Clinton. The Repubs can keep this group of voters if they pander to or virtue signal they are trying to create jobs and have trade agreements that don’t harm the American working class etc. In the relatively near term only the Dems need Trump as a whipping boy. The Dems are very weak themselves with a progressive wing that is getting stronger and getting very tired of no representation except for the virtue signalling stuff like transgender bathrooms etc…..
This contention has been made over and over again, but the rioters were affluent people driving nice cars and wearing high end clothing. Many had $1,000+ firearms and flew on private jets to the insurrection.
The “working class Trump voter” narrative is something many use to trying and justify their claims of ongoing oppression, but his base is actually quite privileged economically… not to mention legally. Individuals arrested for having alleged illegal weapons and allegedly communicating intent to murder legislators have been released on a low-dollar bail bond; if they weren’t affluent white Republicans, they’d have been put away in jail with a very high bail.
yeah, the Trump cult members will be leaving the GOP, no matter what the GOP does, they won’t be able to keep them.
at least if the GOP throws Trump under the bus, they can bring back some of the Neocons and other former Republicans.
Not saying that’s a Party I’d want to join, just saying that strategically, they’d become competitive again on a more expedited timeline. They basically need to rip off that bandage.
Mitch milking the click bait. The dudes gone and half the population sees a one party system while the other half sees progress when its more of the same. What’s different? Just more government spending and special interest kick backs. Different headlines and narrative all while absolutely 0 has changed. Let’s all just keep feeling good with slogans and that goes for both fake parties.
What? No correspondence or writings to intrigue intellectuals and historians?
Oh there will be a Trump library, the entire thing will fit in a magazine rack next to one of his golden (plated) toilets and will feature among other things a coloring book, a copy of the magnificent cognitive test he took at Walter Reed that showed he can indeed tell a rhino from a RINO. And I am sure he will bilk a billion of so out of his stupid MAGAtards for the cost of this achievement in political study.
Negative Mish McConnell will milk this for all the attention he can get pick up some more donations and few chips under the table.
Thats a pretty big cult over 70 million must be a Guinness World record? I’ll check.
Don’t we think there might be some real problems in our country buried in all his support?
I suspect that if you check back with those 70 million voters, you’ll find a significant majority who have pulled their support since the riots.
Guilty, but the Republicans will not convict.
He wanted permanent power, those are the leaders he fell in love with.
This isn’t making sides, just taking issue with your last comment. Isn’t eliminating the filibuster, adding 2 new States, and packing the Supreme Court, as Democrats are rumored to want, also an attempt to take power permanently? For that matter, I cant imagine anyone running in an election with the intention to surrender power to the other party at a later time, so almost every candidate who campaigns is attemptimg to permanently secure power, or at least for as long as possible.
Good job knocking down that straw man, but it is obvious from the context that njbr means Trump wanted to install himself as a dictator, in opposition to the Constitution.
Gerrymandering, a favorite GOP pastime, as distasteful as it is, is also an attempt to secure perpetual power, but at least it’s within the realm of the legislative framework of the Constitution.
…..Isn’t eliminating the filibuster, adding 2 new States, and packing the Supreme Court, as Democrats are rumored to want, also an attempt to take power permanently?…
Really, now?
Don’t you think that a party that held popular plans and sensible, rational legislation would have a chance against Democrats?
Are you saying that with a larger electorate or an educated population or even a larger court there is absolutely no way of Republicans holding power again?
Think through what that actually means.
The only thing that has backed the Republicans into a losing demographic death spiral are their policies.
If you are the buggy whip of politics, of course you are doomed.
Cracks me up whenever anyone, especially Republicans, tries to accuse the Democrats of wanting to “pack the Supreme Court.”
He sure forgot to put any vigorous plans into action…
Dems/Reps have permanent power; Trump found a way to wiggle in & disrupt that power, but that will be fixed.