Trump’s Claim of Criminal Voting Fraud in Nevada Bites the Dust
“We are confident that there are thousands of people whose votes have been counted that have moved out of Clark County during the pandemic,” said Adam Laxalt, Nevada’s former Attorney General and Co-Chair of the Trump Re-Election campaign.
Laxalt said they have evidence – a list of more than three thousand voters who voted in the 2020 presidential election, but no longer Live in Nevada.
Clark County Registrar Joe Gloria acknowledged that they received the list. He says, however, that it’s not out of the ordinary for voters to not live in Nevada but still be eligible to vote.
“This is a military town,” said Gloria. “We have Nellis Air Force Base. We also have several students who travel out of state to go to school.” College students and active military are allowed to claim Nevada residency while out of town.
The allegations are upsetting to former Henderson resident Amy Rose, an attorney who still calls Nevada home.
“My husband and I have both been accused of fraud,” said Amy Rose. “We take our duties as citizens very seriously, and it’s just a shock to see that this accusation had been made without any basis in fact.”
If you are in a state on orders for the military, families don’t have to change their residency. She says she and her husband’s ability to vote in their home state is a state and federal process that families secure with the county registrar.
The list provided by the Trump campaign includes full nine-digit ZIP codes, each one only applying to a handful of homes on a single street. Rose says she and her husband cast absentee ballots and confirmed that her current and former ZIP codes align with two supposedly “fraudulent” votes on the list.
“The list has addresses that are literally on Air Force bases,” Rose said.
Grasping at Straws in a Tornado
One might think team Trump would take a modicum of effort to weed out the truly ridiculous, but one would be wrong.
No claim is too ridiculous to submit.
Hannity Then and Now
Fox News personalities have dramatically shifted their rhetoric on election results over the past four years.
My latest @thefix supercut:pic.twitter.com/6xhUN7DyLd
— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) November 11, 2020
Mish
Anecdotal.
There is no case to be made for the integrity of American elections.
There is no conceivable reason why there is not an audit trail that allows one to verify the inputs and to repeat the process to see if the outputs can be repeated. Just the fact that the software is not open source is so telling. Absolutely no attempt has been made to show that elections have integrity.
Most commercial software is not open-source. Nothing unusual there.
You can repeat the process but with millions of votes that will be a significant effort.
So far, various audits have not shown significant issues.
Trump is just using excuses to try and postpone the inevitable.
-“Anecdotal.”
I’m sorry – are you suggesting that this instance of votes that were called fraud but are actually correct are the anecdotes vs. ALL the other votes?
{continues reading} CLANG! … Dang; my BS meter just crapped itself after reading “Absolutely no attempt has been made to show that elections have integrity.”
So yes – you are calling legal votes that were incorrectly called fraud ‘anecdotes’. I don’t know how many times this has to be pointed out, but for the mentally feeble I guess we’ll say it again. You have to have EVIDENCE of fraud to properly claim that the election is faulty. The rest of the country does NOT HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE INNOCENT!
Although pointless, as far as affecting the election outcome in PA, Trump’s team did at least notch a win in court today. They were able to remove a small number of ballots that were already set aside before counting (as in, not counted in current totals) because voter ID/info was not provided until after Nov 09 to ‘cure’ these ballots.
The court appears to have concentrated on a very small slice of what (I assume) the Republicans will be arguing to eliminate in that they let stand the date that the PA Supreme Court allowed for ballots to be received (which was moved to 3 days after election day), but they did not allow for the traditional 6 days to ‘cure’ ballots to be tacked on to the end of that adjustment to receiving ballots because the PA Supreme Court also did not say anything about that. I believe that a challenge to the extra 3 days is to be submitted to the US Supreme Court.
All of the above, of course, is pointless to the actual election result because the number of ballots affected is too small to reverse the current difference between the candidates. But it is interesting and a sign that there may be at least a bit of method to the madness in the pursuit of remedies in courts.
There may be a principle at stake in those Pennsylvania cases, but the contested ballots were never included in the official vote counts. They make absolutely no difference.
Exactly right – but the more I thought about this, the more I think the point is the ‘victory’ vs. the actual effect or outcome of the lawsuit.
With a ‘victory’ — no matter how small – or let’s face it, stupid — they can point to it in two different ways:
(1) Look reasonable people – not all our lawsuits are BS, we won this one! We should wait for all the rest to be decided;
(2) Look rabid base – we Won a Lawsuit! All the vote was fraud! The election was stolen and we’re winning it back!
Well, she is married to a sucker and a loser.
Yes I do. I thought a little humor was needed. Everyone here is so glum.
Free enterprise at work
You do realize that’s from “The Onion,” don’t you?
Yes I do. I thought a little humor was needed. Everyone here is so glum.
When I first read about Rudy’s presser at Four Seasons Landscaping, I thought it was an Onion story. I mean, how could holding an event in an industrial neighborhood be real?
Lots of true stories these days look like they come from the Onion. We live in a hilarious epoch that’s post-truth and post-everthing. When we get to the point where it is post-humor then we will be in a fascist state. Does anyone remember humor in Stalin’s Soviet Union, Nazi Germany or Moa’s China?
Interesting thought. I did find this little tidbit about the Soviet Union, but clearly there was a thawing during the Gorbachev years. The Stalin years? No way Jose.
The list was accurate and in this case, this couple has a valid right to voote in Nevada while living elsewhere, Only those trying to hide massive voter fraud use the approach of this article and Mish.
$7 trillion deeper in debt after Trump pushed and went along with numerous socialist policies and redistribution of wealth schemes while purging and attacking some of the very best small government conservatives in Congress, and the #MAGA cult are so worried he is going to lose despite claiming to be against all these things just eight years ago. Happy tax slaves pushing crazy conspiracy theories to continue to be governed by the only Republican in my lifetime to give Dianne Feinstein an orgasm.
Looking back, Trump has played the Jesse Jackson victim card claiming fraud and cheating after every loss in the GOP primary starting with the Iowa Caucus in 2016.
Did Jo Jorgenson concede yet?
When is it time to charge Trump and his minions with treason? With the continued baseless and frivilous claims they are lending support to Russia, China and Iran.
Treason is actually defined in the Constitution, and the definition is strict enough that it’s unlikely you’ll ever see a US citizen charged with treason.
If we need to trump up charges against people we don’t like, in this country our tool is “wire fraud.”
Exactly. When was the last time that Congress had the balls to declare war?
Mishtalk, Street.com style, has turned into this kind of mush. Or is it caused by Utah environs?
Not surprising. Nevada is a popular state for claiming residency under these circumstances because it has no state income tax.
is “claiming” residency on par with trumpians claiming widespread 2020 voter fraud?
There’s documented proof… so no.
Easy there so far Trumps claims have not cost the tax payers millions of dollars like claims by others just four years ago. And who can put a price on the division of our society their claims had not to mention waste of millions of dollars and time we could have addressing real issues but Trump only won because of Russia and of course Facebook! lol
Trumps claims if all false will cost the tax payer 0.00001% as much as the the others claims just a while ago and won’t be as near a waste as others. What short memories we have!
google the definition of rationalization
What about the cost to the public of time in the courts? Judges, clerks, etc. Time that election officials are spending on this instead of other things. The list goes on. This nonsense is definitely not no cost to the public.
Good Point, but the salaries of those people pales in comparison to what the Mueller lawyers were paid. And the judicial judges (not election judges) would be paid the same one way or another regardless of what they did.
Claims of others? You mean the Green Party’s Jill Stein?
Maggie Haberman on Trump’s strategy. Other people are reporting similar but this one is pretty good
I’d say that lines up with what we know about Trump’s approach to things. Just sew some chaos and look for weak spots to exploit.
The bad part is the way so many Republicans are willing to continue to check their ethics at the door…..and enable his ridiculous behavior. Conservatives should look at that in the cold light of day….do you want to be represented by politicians who have no moral scruples at all? Because that’s exactly where you are now, thanks to 20 years of unlimited Koch money.
I am particularly disgusted by our in-state buffoon Lt Gov Dan Patrick…a would-be-demagogue-in-training….always wrapped in the flag and carrying his Bible.
Trump is acting awfully quiet this week. At some point hopefully he sees his strategy has no chance of success, and he either concedes or at least gets the hell out of the way.
Sechel that’s as good a guess as any other I’ve seen or can think of.
The other is just the obvious… Trump can’t believe that he lost. Which is funny because in 2016, he seemed shocked that he won.
“The bad part is the way so many Republicans are willing to continue to check their ethics at the door..”
I’m speculating about what’s happening here…
One issue is that there’s no “leader” in the GOP. Trump is a lame duck and his power vanishes Jan 20. So who fills the vacuum? McConnell is the likely cause but GA keeps that up in the air, and Cruz, Rubio, Halley… all already positioning for 2024, there will be a struggle.
Then there’s the constant GA Senate seat considerations… They (probably) need Trump to behave to get those seats, and if DJT knows you need him for something, he’s going to extract something in return from you.
So GOP is essentially held hostage right now.
I think the GOP stays in the dumpster fire until 3 events pass: 1) state electors chosen (variable date), 2) state electors meet and vote Dec 14, 3) GA Senate elections over on Jan 5. Then they tell Trump to f* off.
Food for thought
Does he have the power to do implement a nation wide lockdown yet?
I think he does have the power to declare it but enforcing it is up to the governors of each state. If he declares Martial law he would have the state’s national guards under his orders. The Insurrection Act of 1807 allows him to do that but frankly I doubt it would pass Congress even if dominated by his own party simply because it would such an extreme measure. COVID for all the death it has caused is not the Black Death.
Many thanks, I just wondered.
Welcome
I remember Mike Pence thanking Donald Trump on Twitter for putting the country over the economy and locking down our country.
I also remember, Donald Trump tweeting he did the right think locking us down as he attacked Sweden for not locking down pointing to the rising death rates in Sweden.
If you think there was confusion in the US you should have seen the confusion here in Europe at that same time. Even now with death rates in France reaching up to that of March/April most people no longer wear masks. The fear factor is much lower. You can put it down to fatigue, stupidity or even say it’s Trumps fault. In the end if the people won’t follow the lock down there is not much government can do.
I’m sure Governor wHitler would like all the reinforcement for draconian law from the Fed. Then we could sue her again, maybe. Suing the state has become a major pastime here in Michigan.
Can we just assume that Biden will win the recount, move on and talk about things that affect our portfolios? Mish, whatever you put up about the election now will not change one iota the result since it has already taken place so why do it? Biden’s economic policies are much more important at least to me for example. Potential competition from vaccines produced by other drug manufacturers than Pfizer is important to me. Biden’s policy toward Iran is important to me. As I said before, let the process run its course. In the meantime there are lots of interesting economic things to talk about and to analyse.
How can you really talk about things that will affect the portfolio until Trump is gone? Even if, a big one, he were to say “I lost” tomorrow – the risk remains of him creating all sorts of trouble, military in particular, prior to Biden being sworn in on Jan 20
Easy. Assume he is out and Biden in then think of the economic implications. Look at it as a thought experiment. It’s scientific and therefore good.
I think we’re starting to see the negative effects of people living in self-imposed media echo chambers. This impacts a wide array of people today, not just the Trump supporters featured in these stories. They find it way too hard to believe that anyone could have voted for Biden, even if voters didn’t particularly like him and just wanted to see Trump lose.
When Trump supporters operate on the belief that everyone is like them because they no longer see contrary opinion. they automatically assume rampant fraud when their guy loses. Over on ZH I’d say a clear majority of people still think Trump will serve his second term and they sound utterly delusional. There is still 4D chess afoot, sealed indictments coming any day now, etc. It’s the same claptrap we’ve been hearing for years.
Even though I didn’t vote, I kind of wanted to see Trump lose just to force people back to reality a bit. I watched as the understandable enthusiasm of 2016 morphed into a personality cult. Turning politics into religion isn’t good for US society, and given the sorry state of the red/blue teams it’s hard to fathom why anyone would offer them anything approaching religious devotion. They clearly don’t deserve it!
The facts and the math do not back a Trump path . The election is over and has been over. Karl Rove just wrote an op-ed on the WSJ saying just that. Only reason Republicans aren’t admitting it is because they are afraid to tell king Leer the truth
Trump forwarded a video on Twitter showing someone taking a video of a state worker collecting ballots from a drop box after the winner had been called. These idiots that follow the idiot President dont realize that counting continues until all votes are counted even after a winner has been called. Their brain can’t comprehend how this is possible because they are dumb. Trump is mentally raping his supporters who dont even realize it.
Innumeracy and willful ignorance are a dangerous combination.
Unlike the genius democrats in 2016 who believed Putin won the election for Trump. Many are still too dumb to realize how idiotic the whole thing was.
That is the Trump cult for you.