Pitiful, Painful, Nauseating
This was one of the worst debates in history if not the worst. Moderator Chris Wallace lost control early and never regained it.
If you insists on a winner I would suggest Trump won the first 20 minutes or so, but the score was something like -10 to -30.
There were no winners in the middle but enough messiness to give a score of -20 each, a tie. Each candidate looked ridiculous at times and OK to good at times, but good only for fleeting moments.
Biden won the final two questions easily. His response on a peaceful transition gets a genuinely positive score. Let’s call it +20 to -20.
That makes the final result -50 for Trump to – 20 for Biden. That is based on Trump’s refusal to honor the result of the election and his poor handling of white supremacy.
But how many even watched the final 5 minutes? So, call it a draw if you like but Six in 10 say Biden Won.
Here is an assessment of the debate from various Tweets.
Unwatchable Draw
I’m not sure why trying to fight the debate to a messy, unwatchable draw is supposed to be a good strategy for Trump when he’s 7 points behind in the polls.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 30, 2020
Unbelievable
This is UNBELIEVABLE. #Debates2020
— Gold Telegraph ⚡ (@GoldTelegraph_) September 30, 2020
Pitiful
I don’t doubt that one bit.
Pitiful! https://t.co/8FtZwuJUls
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) September 30, 2020
A Word About Debate Moderation
We totally need an elementary school teacher to moderate the next debate. She would do so much better at controlling this nonsense.
— Josh Douglas (@JoshuaADouglas) September 30, 2020
The Audience was Superb!
Best behaved audience in Presidential Debate history.
— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) September 30, 2020
Ann Coulter is Spot On
Tip for Biden: Forced sarcastic laughter has never worked, ever.
Tip for Trump: Stop interrupting Biden’s babbling incoherencies. You’re saving him from himself.
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 30, 2020
Can We Do Better?
Watching this debate and feeling the need to pinch myself. This is not normal. What sort of system selects for two geriatrics, one a probable malignant narcissist. The greatest economy in history can’t do better? Please.
Also, Biden needs to get down in the mud. I want 0 decorum
— Joseph Walker (@JosephNWalker) September 30, 2020
Tweet of the Day
This is a cluster you know what colliding with a you know what show. https://t.co/2dlj5rfIkS
— Danielle DiMartino Booth (@DiMartinoBooth) September 30, 2020
The Tweet of the Day award goes to Danielle DiMartino Booth for “This is a cluster you know what colliding with a you know what show.”
Low Moments
- Constant Interruptions (mainly by Trump but by both)
- Biden calling Trump a clown multiple times
- Trump debating Chris Wallace
- Biden’s refusal to look at Trump except in the final minutes
- Trump’s terrible response on white supremacy
- Biden’s refusal to answer a question about packing the Supreme Court
- Trump’s finish about accepting the results of the election
Who Won Fox News Style
I watched Hannity braying like a mule about how magnificent Trump was. Yeah, right.
It was a pathetic mess all around.
If you are looking for another single word description, I suggest nauseating.
Who Did This Help?
That is a much better question than who scored debate points.
We will not know until the polls come out, if then.
There were plenty of sounds bites for each side to attack the other. That lends credence to Nate Silver’s “draw” idea.
But a draw does Trump no good. In fact it hurts him. Even a tiny win for Trump does him little good.
Conclusion
I suspect Trump’s answer regarding accepting the results of the election will cost him more than anything Biden said.
Trump’s best hope is people were so nauseated they refuse to vote because his supporters will turn out anyway.
Biden’s best move is to cancel the remaining debates.
What an embarrassing performance by contenders for president of the United States of America.
Mish
So, tell me genius, how many riots have Proud Boys started? How many stores have they looted? How many building have they burned? How many innocent people who were trying to protect their businesses have they attacked?
Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorists and deserve to be shot down in the streets and any one who supports them are traitors. The people who stand up to them are patriots.
Just saw this at 538, latest presidential race poll:
SEP 29-30, 2020
Change Research 925 Likely Voters
Biden 54%
Trump 41%
Biden +13
I do not think that includes any post debate on the 29th itself as they do not usually call that late when polling. but on the 30th basically all responses would be aware of the CATASTROPHIC debacle that was Trump’s behavior on stage.
And then at 270 to win they made some changes today:
October 1: Delaware, Rhode Island move from Likely to Safe Democratic; Maine (at-large) Leans to Likely Democratic; ME-2 Leans Republican to Toss-up; Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania Toss-up to Leans Democratic.
If their map stays the exact same till election day Biden will win with 279 and that is without picking up even one toss up state. Trump could take ALL toss ups and still lose as it stands now.
thestreet.com platform really sucks today! Page goes to blank white on refresh, which is needed to show my comments. Have to restart the browser (Chrome) regularly. Didn’t have these issues yesterday.
Opinion
For the Sake of Democracy, Cancel the Trump-Biden Debates
The president is maneuvering to steal the election. Why help him?
By Frank Bruni – Opinion Columnist
Oct. 1, 2020
i agree that Trump lost it more than Biden won. But the Proud Boys cleaned up!
Denninger’s take is better – link to market-ticker.org.
Weird Al Presents: ‘America Is Doomed, the Musical’
By the Gregory Brothers and Weird Al Yankovic
Sept. 30, 2020, 4:32 p.m. ET
Weird Al Yankovic’s take on the weird debate.
The first presidential debate of 2020, was, in the words of Jake Tapper, “a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck.” But the show must go on, and, out of duty to a nation longing for a debate wrap-up set to music, the Gregory Brothers teamed up with the greatest American parodist alive and set to work. In the video above, Weird Al provides the debate recap we all need.
I expected Biden to be the way that he was. While not surprised by Trump’s belligerence, he could have been less defensive than he was. I think Trump believes that he is going to lose.
Both candidates are feeble-minded. In terms of what either can possibly contribute as executive over the four years, this is a contest between two meaningless candidates.
Trump wins – he appoints in the same manner or worse than he has, and micromanages as he did in first term.
Biden wins – he goes full Reagan and hires SMEs to carry the weight for him, so he can sit back, let the pros go to work, and focus on statesmanship and repairing relations damaged by his predecessor.
I know which one I think will function more like a real government.
Joe Biden showed his contempt for America, and the American people last night, and showed us all why he is unfit to be President. For anyone to publicly show that kind of disrespect for a sitting President shows utter contempt for the country, and the Citizens. The fact that no one in the media is calling him on it, shows we have no real journalists, or even loyal Americans who claim to be journalists. He and Pelosi both deserve to be sitting in jail cells, for treason against the United States.
Hitlerly lost in 2016 because she was so obnoxious people could not stand her.
I did not think it was possible to be less likable than Hitlerly, but Biden actually is.
The man cannot stop himself from being vile and hateful, and the people will not vote for that…..
Here’s an idea: Let the candidates control a mute switch on their own mikes. Allocate total un-muted time equally. When the first candidate’s time has run out, his mike is dead. The other gets the rest of the time. (Yes, this would get complex, given that the moderators of the remaining “debates” are likely to be partisans. Give the moderator a time limit and mute switch, too?)
Haha! I love it!!! Run the debate time like a chess clock. Then someone can interrupt all they like, but if they do, they run out of time, and at the end of the debate, the other person has talking time with no interruptions, and they can make final statements with no rebuttal or interruption.
The only way this works is that a sound proof container drops around Trump during the mute.
One alternative I like is a single number, red or blue, showing the muted time advantage. If it’s red, then it’s Trump’s advantage. If blue, then Biden gets the time. When the time goes over 3 minutes, the 3 mikes are locked to give the colored candidate 2 minutes, uninterrupted, as the time counts back to 1 minute, same color. Then the mike can be muted or the moderator can interrupt. At the end of the “debate” the colored candidate gets the last time shown.
They should let Kanye on the stage next debate.
If you think it can’t get worse….let’s just try
Very good article here:
They wanted disruption in 2016. Now they’re Trump defectors
29 Sep 2020
Shawna Jensen’s moment of reckoning came in March, as she sat in her suburban Fort Worth, Texas, living room next to her fireplace. Her laptop was open to a Zoom happy hour with five girlfriends. She sucked in a breath, gripping her glass of red wine.
“Hey, guys, I gotta tell you something,” she said. The women, all white, Republican, suburban moms, stared back at her.
Jensen’s heart raced. How would they react? What would they think? She never dreamed she would utter these words aloud.
“I’m not voting for Trump this year. My heart will not let me do it. I can’t vote for someone who is that ugly to other people.”
They’re not voting for some person. They should be thinking about likely outcomes.
Once again I am reminded WWE Hall of Famer Donald Trump graduated wrestling fans to the next level–into politics. The storylines Trump played along with in Vince McMahon’s imaginary sport have led many idiots into supporting this man.
It is Democrats that are dangerous to America. The boarded up, and destroyed Democratic cities stand as testimate of that.
I don’t know that Biden won, but Trump certainly lost. He was un-Presidential, poorly behaved, a petulant bully, extremely immature, non-responsive, and rude. As for Biden, we have to remember the old saying that you shouldn’t wrestle pigs in the mud because, not only will you get dirty, the pig likes it. Trump’s supporters probably enjoyed the mud wrestling, but the one thing it didn’t do was bring any non-Trump supporters into the Trump camp.
For Biden, for what he needed to do, the bar was low. Trump has said Biden was senile, and so the burden was on Biden to be able to string words together into cohesive sentences. Biden did that well enough to show he is not senile, so from that standpoint, Biden clearly won. Biden didn’t give anyone a reason NOT to vote for him. Was he Presidential? I don’t think that was possible in that fiasco, but he was certainly far closer than Trump was.
In the end, I think that this “debate” simply reinforced opinions, and didn’t change anyone’s minds:
Thus, the debate largely preserved the status quo. I see no reason why Biden should agree to any more debates. We already know what we need to know, and there is nothing to be gained from them. Those that like Trump are happy with their choice. Those that hate Trump are happy with theirs. If they do have more debates, after this fiasco, I can’t believe anyone will watch. I certainly won’t.
I could not agree more Carl
Carl, all Trump (either of them really) needed to do was appear presidential and in control, had they both managed that then it might have been considered a draw. To not make any real cognitive slip ups since both have had their mental capacity made an issue. In that respect I think Biden did quite well, he got a little rattled at first under the barrage of Trump verbal diarrhea, but remember a lot of what the right calls evidence of Biden’s deteriorating capacity is actually his lifelong battle with a stutter, and I want to see a show of hands from everyone here WHO HAS NEVER HAD AN OFF DAY IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES? Biden did very well under the circumstances.
No matter the rationalizations and excuses and high fiving by his base, this performance cost him significant votes not one of which could he afford to lose. The fact that he knew it was a risky strategy that was backfiring is probably why he decided to call on Proud Boys (and all white nationalists) to “stand by.” And that might have been his strategy going into the debate, to whip up his base so he has an army of them when he refuses to leave after losing the vote.
The best outcome from this election would be if it is not close at all, leaving no room for doubt. That is what I expect, and this debate seems to have made that more likely.
Why should he agree to more debates? Because everytime Trump takes that stage he loses another million votes, and because Biden/dems netted like $300 million since RGB died just two weeks ago, and more than $4 million in just one hour during the Trump shitshow.
The reality is that both of these guys are past their sell-by date.
The difference for me is that one of these guys is fully tooled up with lick-spittle, groveling, incompetent underlings placed throughout the government who will roll over and piss their pants in their eagerness to fulfill their leader’s order, and agree, “yessir, the grass is blue and the sky is green”. He’s the only guy is on the verge of dismantling all the checks and balances of the system. Enough is enough. Trump is dangerous to America and must go.
This was basically two old men from a nursing home yelling at each other. Saw a sign in the yard down the street that said Any Functioning Adult 2020, couldn’t agree more because these two are both clowns.
And yet, we are going to get one or the other of them. Which will you choose? For me, it isn’t even close. Trump turned the “debate” into WWE. He is a stranger to the truth. He does not believe in science. He prefers to be “briefed” by Fox News rather than our intelligence services.
You can buy that sing on Amazon. I’ve seen it around here, too. I take it as calling for a vote for Jorgensen, since she is a functioning adult.
Can you image these two pathetic sides dragging this on into the Christmas season ready to kill each other? Nothing says Christmas more than…
If Trump loses, he’s then got 2 1/2 free months to wreak havoc. If people thought the last almost 4 years were a challenge for democracy and all that is good, just watch if Trump loses!
Sean Hannity gets paid a lot of money to throw out conservatism and defend the Republican flavor of the day. He is a pathetic little man who isn’t even good at what he does. It’s so easy to see through him. There is no wisdom when it comes to Hannity, and deep down inside he probably knows this was a shit show and Trump was the ringleader of this circus.
If you want wisdom, I suggest George Carlin who realizes these two candidate are nothing more than a reflection of America–which means we are in serious decline as you see the rot in this 90 minutes.
I think George was right about the politics….but wrong about not voting. I have so many smart friends who use this rant to justify their lack of participation..I find it rather frustrating.
There are valid alternatives in third parties to vote for without voting for R branded garbage or D branded garbage.
The problem is the lesser of two evil guilt argument to get you to vote still is giving consent to be governed by one of these two evils.
Agreed. But the party SYSTEM we have in place makes 3rd party candidates irrelevant…..so that is what desperately needs to be changed right now. We need to make the playing field more level so that the big money can’t hijack every election by supporting Dumb and Dumber….and shutting out the others.
We saw that with Sanders in the Democratic primary…..although I blame the millennials for failing to show up to support the guy they all liked….young people don’t begin to understand the way our arcane system works.
We also saw it with Ron Paul in 2012 on the Repbublican side.
I have been the guy who writes in my protest candidate…..you end up felling like a kid who pissed his pants…..it gives you a warm feeling initially, but that soon goes away and you just feel pissed on.
Definitely occurred to me that despite all of the crying and gnashing of teeth about what a spectacle that was, it was an accurate reflection of the intellectual state of hundreds of millions: unrestrained confusion. That was our souls (present company excluded) up on the screen.
You can see the real effects of the debate by reading the comments here. No one, not even the loyal Biden supporters are enthused about Biden’s performance, and that is a problem. Trump is known, and his performance was pretty much what people expected, but they did not expect to find out that Biden is even more dislikable than Trump. In the end, it will come down to this for undecided voters, that the dislikable old fool you know is safer than the dislikable old fool you don’t.
Frustrated circus clown debates political zombie!
It defies commonsense that people debate the merits of either one. This is a ‘lose-lose’ for the USA.
Biden appears exactly as he should, (a wise, venerated leader) after a lifetime in politics–that’s a lifetime of looking like the innocent flower, but being the serpent under it (Lady MacBeth). He’s a ‘C’, without wit, creativity, or critical thinking.
Trump is a braggart and brigand, a real estate developer/entrepreneur/ showman. He clearly doesn’t belong in politics, yet in 2016 people voted for fewer snakes. He’s also a ‘C’, loud-mouthed, uncontrolled, and frustrated, because from Day 1, he was doomed to failure.
However, I do think last night’s debate was part of a ‘gotcha moment.’ October will tell. That said, if you haven’t bought gold, now is not a good time; but better late than never.
I thought the last election had the worst choices of all time. This has it beat. Trump can’t shut up and Biden calls Trump a liar while constantly lying.
Why does Trump have to answer question about White Supremacists when Antifa and BLM have done far worse? Makes no sense.
Knock, knock…
Anyone home?
There should be zero tolerance for fascism, regardless of whether it comes from the right or left.
Soooo…
Trump DIDN’T categorically condemn white supremacists? This would seem to be a question with an obvious answer – but he didn’t choose to provide that answer?
Why, oh why would they ask such a question of him?
After 45 minutes my head was about to explode so I turned it off and poured a large Irish whiskey. I really tried to watch it all but I couldn’t listen to Trump’s antics any longer. Though regardless of his politics, Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump. Biden, meh.
Trump was claiming before the debate that Biden was senile, couldn’t go toe to toe wiht him and stay in the ring for the full 90 minutes. That was the metrics set by Trump. Both arguments failed. So by Trump’s own definition Biden won. It may not have been the best debate performance in Presidential history but Biden looked far more Presidential than Donald Trump last night.
“It may not have been the best debate performance in Presidential history…”
Really?
90 minutes of being screamed at by your opponent doesn’t give you a lot of options.
Someone had the bright idea they would make Biden stutter and lose the debate
Biden lost for one main reason, he showed himself to be a nasty and unprofessional person. His base was hoping for someone different. Those who are looking for change found out last night a vote for Biden is going to get them a hateful, spiteful, person which is not what they were expecting….
How many will tune in for the next debate? I know I will if only for morbid curiosity and a few laughs. My 12 year old son wanted to watch last night and called them dumb and dumber.
Reiterating my prediction for this election cycle lowest voter turnout in history
Usually high turnout is driven by people liking their candidate. In this case there are a lot of people who didn’t vote in 2016 who are horrified by the last 4 years, and I expect a high turnout.
“If Trump creates jobs and brings back industry to America, voters a likely to be very forgiving of his faults.” – Naked Capitalism 4 yrs ago.
He didn’t bring jobs back as he promised. He’s polling much worse in rust belt states now vs 4 yrs ago. He was the only major candidate who even talked about working folk 4 yrs ago. His opponent never mentioned them or their jobs except to call them deplorable irredeemable.
Not neither of the major parties are talking about working folk this time?
Mission accomplished.
I never watch debates on TV because I don’t watch TV. The medium is the message.
Thanks for the recap. Sounds like I made the right call.
Winner Biden. Why? Gives him an excuse to bow out of the next two debates. Trump needs the debates to even have a chance.
I agree, Biden could bow out of the next two debates and I think everyone would understand why. America is unquestionably worse off for having had this ‘debate’.
I shut it off about 20 minutes in, it was a horror show. To that point I thought Trump was a bully, as usual NO respect for the rules, it was not a debate at all. With all those inturruption he never managed to make a truthful point in his favor about anything, but it did make Biden look less than presidential, he looked old and weak, and like a doormat. I understand he woke up a bit later but by the time I quit my only thought was this is just pathetic. I thought Biden should have confronted Wallace for total failure to enforce the rules of the debate.
Trump puts on a shitshow and the media insists on false equivalency. There are not two sides to the debate. Biden should not be held to Queensbury rules when Trump was using a switchblade. Enough of false equivalency journalism.
“Whatever happens to Richard Nixon when the wolves finally rip down his door seems almost beside the point, now… All we can really ask of him, at this point, is a semblance of self-restraint until some way can be found to get rid of him gracefully.” Hunter S. Thompson
WUT?
One of the worst? What debate comes comes close to that?
Trump decided he can’t win a conventional debate against Joe Biden so he sought to blow it up.
As far as Trump winning any part of that debate that’s absurd. Trump sabotaged that debate. He prepped for that performance with Kellyanne Conway, Giuliani and Chris Christie. He not only refused to let Biden speak he attacked Chris Wallace. There’s no way that performance improved Trump’s polling with anyone except members of the Proud Boys which instead of denouncing he wound up giving a voice of support.
That debate was not only pathetic it shows a marked mental decline in Donald Trump who lacked any self control , was intent on blowing up that debate performance and told America he’s the #1 victim in all this.
There is only one criteria where you might arguably say Trump won the debate. Trump prevented Biden from being heard and getting any sound bites his campaign could use to attack Trump with. Trump’s strategy was to rattle Joe Biden and in that he failed.
This is one of those posts where I feel like you and me watched different debates. After last night any country considering Democracy shrugged and said “Are you nuts?”
“Trump decided he can’t win a conventional debate against Joe Biden so he sought to blow it up.”
Same strategy he is using on the election.
Well Sechel, I thought Biden accepting a debate was a sketchy decision in the first place, because I think we all know that exactly this would happen. Joe was up 6, 7, 10 points in the polls without any debates, why go on stage in front of the entire nation and risk that when you know Trump is an asshole? Sure it gives the people a chance to see Trump as an asshole on live TV, and a liar, and someone with zero respect or impulse control, but we already knew that, that is why Biden leads by so much. The only way a “debate” could help Biden would be if he looked presidential, and Trump just blowing this up did not make Biden look like anything besides old and tired, I thought is this how he will perform when Putin is threatening a world war? Just not stand up to him? Getting put on the defensive over things we all KNOW Trump is lying about.
I shut it off after about 20 minutes or so, I just could not watch, it was like seeing Hannible Lecter dining on Biden’s spleen, it made Trump look like a nut and an A hole and made Biden look like his victim.
Trump’s performance last night
Both I knew and Joe Biden knew that Trump was going to attempt to rattle him and dominate the debate. But nobody could have predicted the scale and scope of what Trump did. The Trump people are now faced with the obvious conclusion that Trump not only failed to dent Biden but he wasted what was a precious first debate. People are already voting. Biden is ahead and will stay ahead.
He had to do at least the first one or everyone on Trump’s side would have been screaming “COWARD!” (and worse). And then the media would have been asking what was Biden afraid of? Is the dementia real, etc., etc.
Just like on the web, you can’t win an argument with someone who doesn’t give a damn one way or the other..
I was just thinking the next debate in Miami in 2 weeks they say they (the commission on debates) says they are changing the rules to promote a more workable debate.
I have a suggestion for them, give the moderator the power to issue infractions of the rules and on the third infraction declare the violator to have forfeited the debate so that it is over. The non violator wins!
The only other practical solution that might work I can think of is a soundproofed glass booth wit a microphone they can shut off when it is not his turn to speak, because that is the ONLY way Biden will be able to speak uninurrupted. Plus think of how entertaining it would be to see him noislessly gesticulating and turning purple in the face with gums flapping away but no sound coming out of the box!
At least they can call it by what it really is, not a debate but a debacle.
Anyone that thinks what Trump did last night was a win (or even remotely civilized) really needs to get psychiatric help. He is a pig, a total waste of 400 pounds of blubber. I am so embarrassed that people in decent places saw this and thought of their American friend (me). I can feel the pity from around the globe.
I was thinking of the booth solution myself. That would be pretty fun!
The Bee got it perfectly – it’s not even satire:
“Are we destined to be ruled by a bunch of old white men
who compare the world to football and are programmed to defend?”
–Jimmy Buffett on song “Only Time Will Tell” (1996)
There is discussion already as to if Biden should bow out of the next two debates.
Biden campaign faces questions about whether he should skip next debates
The campaign insisted he would participate in the final two, but some Democrats said he should demand rule changes.
09/30/2020 02:26 AM EDT
Interesting that the poll has Biden winning this debate by 6 of 10, which is roughly the same as the national election poll numbers. This could be confirmation bias, where people only want to see the things that confirm what they already believe.
And just who posted those numbers? Because the snap poll I saw had Trump winning it by 28%, and there is a detailed poll at Axios today that has a lot more information:
I caught 5 minutes. It’s depressing that my teens watched and saw what the pinnacle of political culture has become. This is really a world for cynics, isn’t it.
I watched Jorgensen’s stream. She isn’t what I would call great, but she is good, especially on a couple of issues (ending victimless crimes and forever wars) and she’s a giant of reasonableness compared to those pod-people.
Everybody voting for Jorgensen in this election is in effect voting for Joe Biden since he leads the polls so by voting for Jorgensen people are in effect voting for Joe Biden’s mass-amnesty and US citizenship to all current ILLEGAL immigrants that number 29.5 million according to MIT-Yale study and from that will follow a rush of tens of millions new ILLEGAL immigrants to either get into the Biden amnesty by lying they were already in USA before the amnesty cut-off date or coming to wait for the next amnesty.
Those 29.5+ million new Democrat voters will mean Democrat control of House, Senate and Presidency for about the next 100 years even when they go full-socialism.
The demand for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP-EBT, Section-8 housing, federal tax credits, state welfare programs etc. will increase with all those potential users and either lead to cuts in those programs or ever larger debt mountains.
Biden was also leading the Senate Foreign Relations Committee when USA attacked Iraq and Biden was all in on the Bush warmongering rush and during Obama/Biden wars continued in Iraq and Afghanistan were surged so USA will be in both for about the next 100 years after Biden gets elected and Democrats assume total control of USA through the amnesty.
You are thinking cause/effect
The rest of America is just going by feelz and stale myths
Most everyone thinks the result you get is the one you wish for, as long as you wish fervently.
Anybody voting for a DnR candidate is in actual fact voting for the final nails in the coffin of the American Enlightenment. There, fixed it for you.
Anyone wanting four more years of division and failure is insane. That leaves the choice between Biden and Jorgensen, and I prefer Jorgensen.
We get it
You’re a white supremacists
And you’re good people
Good luck with that!
Either way we lose
This is to be expected in an election where neither candidate has a discernible platform. Biden wants to erase the last four years and return to the status quo of 2016, whereas Trump wants to pretend that the last four years remotely align with what he said on the campaign trail.
Based on what I’ve seen so far, it looks like most people thought the debate was pitiful. If anybody wants to know how we got here, I’d point them toward 2008, 1971, and 1913.
Don’t forget 1776. How could remaining British be any worse than what we saw tonight?
You want Boris Johnson to be leading USA right now??
In 2016 Wallace was the only competent moderator. If the next two debates have moderators like the first two in 2016,,,,,, Imagine looking back on this “debate” as these guys’ finest hour. It could happen.
One point they never acknowledged or addressed is that they both believe (or pretend to believe) their own side’s media’s stories.
They definitely need to arm the future moderators with the ability to mute the mikes of the non-speaker during times when the speaker is to be allowed 2 minutes of un-interrupted speaking.
The winner tonight? the Proud Boys!
The question by Wallace was itself a LIE because Wallace stated that Trump had NOT condemned white supremacists and now Wallace gave Trump the opportunity to condemn white supremacy and Wallace repeated the claim that after Charlottesville when Trump said “there were good people of both sides” that Trump meant KKK/nazis/white supremacists when in the Charlottesville press conference Trump had CONDEMNED all of them EARLIER and the question presented to Trump LATER was about ordinary people some of whom wanted to remove the statue and some of whom wanted to keep the statue and to THAT question Trump replied “there were good people on both sides” AFTER Trump had EARLIER in the same press conference CONDEMNED KKK/Nazis/White Supremacists.
This was total journalistic malpractice by Chris Wallace and either Wallace is too stupid to even follow news and has not watched the press conference in question and watches just CNN on his freetime (CNN has spread the LIE that Trump did NOT condemn nazis/KKK/white supremacy for years after Charlottesville and always plays the “good people on both sides” clip and NEVER plays the clip from earlier in the same press conference where Trump CONDEMNED nazis/KKK/white supremacists and then CNN puts a paid pundit to reinforce the LIE with their statements) OR Wallace intentionally tried to sabotage Trump.
Then Biden later again REPEATED the same LIE about Charlottesville and about Trump’s “good people on both sides” statement and again Biden LIED that Trump had meant nazis/KKK/white supremacists like Biden LIED at the start of his campaign and was FACT-CHECKED to be LYING.
Because Trump has CONDEMNED nazis/KKK/white supremacists repeatedly several times including after Charlottesville Trump asked Wallace “which group do you want me to condemn?” or something like that.
Then Wallace blurted out Proudboys which are led by a latino and have asian, latino, black and white and Indian members and Proudboys CONDEMN white supremacy as a group but since they are self-described “western chauvinists” and are against socialism, against Antifa, against extreme left, for capitalism and western values and against large scale muslim immigration to USA (because many muslims oppress women and because of the terror attacks that always follow like Europe and USA have shown when a country has a large muslim population because Islam as practiced by a large part of muslims is extremist and because many muslims are fine with oppressing women and because many muslims seriously want and hope for Sharia law and practice it among themselves even in the west and weak-kneed politicians buckle under pressure to such a point that UK now has Sharia courts run by muslims for muslims aka a parallel justice system) Proudboys have been tagged far-right by media and sometimes by ignorant people (like Van Jones who had a meltdown on CNN today) they are called nazis or intentionally/stupidly lumped together with white supremacists like Wallace did.
It would have been stupid from Trump to condemn a group that is AGAINST White Supremacy for white Supremacy and it would have even more worsened the image destruction campaign that has been done by media against Proudboys and by Social media companies and by every Antifa member and by extreme-leftists.
The Proudboys can be described as extremist since if Antifa thugs attack them then Proudboys beat them and in the early days when social media had not completely deplatformed everything about Proudboys there was videos of several antifa thugs attacking a couple Proudboys and Antifa had sticks and steel-pipes and the situation ended with all Antifa being knocked out and in one video three Antifa thugs attacked one Proudboy at once and he knocked all three to the ground.
It started as some sort of Fight Club inspired club for guys and was started by a canadian dude.
Here is the FactCheck from FactCheck DOT org that shows that Wallace LIED and and Biden AGAIN repeated the LIE he has been saying earlier:
“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by”.
Wut? Word Salads for everyone! Never mind what Trump actually says!
TDS2Joe
I do NOT believe Trump plays 4D chess and I actually think Trump is a loudmouth who should many times think before he tweets or speaks but policy wise he is the only guy standing between destruction of USA that Biden has promised with his mass-amnesty and US citizenships to all ILLEGAL immigrants.
There will be 10 million ILLEGAL immigrants coming to USA immediately if Biden passes the amnesty he has promised and they will lie they came to USA earlier before whatever cut-off date Biden puts on the amnesty so with the current 29.5 million current ILLEGAL immigrants (MIT-Yale 2018) that will be about 40 million new US citizens and tens of millions will come after that to wait for the next amnesty that Democrats are 100% sure to pass after the first one.
Reagan thought he was passing amnesty for a few million ILLEGAL immigrants in 1986 but there were more than he thought and lots came after the cut-off date and just lied they had been in USA for years and got US citizenship.
It is absurd that many Republicans worship Reagan despite him being the one who gave the original amnesty which increased ILLEGAL immigration massively and led to the current 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants.
Why do I see the image of Roger Stone at the New York Pride Parade when I hear Trump celebrate the Proud Boys?
HA HA,A career scam artist vs a senile old grifter.Trump better win,he’s lookin down the barrel of a tax evasion charge,the minute he leave the WH!First prez to leave the WH and head straight to the Big House and neither he or Ivanka look like the type that can do time!
You’re dreaming. No way in hell any Trump sees the inside of a prison. It’s a big club, and they’re in it.
Biden was asked during the campaign if he would pardon Trump, should Biden get elected, as other presidents have done for their predecessors in the past. Biden replied that he would not. Let’s see if he follows through.
The sad part is is we won’t know a winner for awhile.
This could drag into December. Just terrible.