Rajoy Calls Regional Elections for December 21: Will Anyone Show Up?

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@Cassiopeia , yes it will messy and that will a choice Catalonians need to make. I believe they have made themselves heard, what is left is to walk the talk.

Although I don’t favour penalising business which changes their domicile to escape the turmoil, I think the businesses that stay back needs to be recognised for their solidarity with the people.

“If you disagree, rebut what I said,”. But Mish, several people has already rebutted you. It’s YOU who don’t enter the debate arena and keep repeating “Catalonia has spoken”. But with the repetitions this wont become true.

Somewhere between 300,000 or 1,000,000 people (depending on whether the news site is pro or con declaring independence unilaterally) gathered in Barcelona to demonstrate in favor of clean elections and against unilateralism. We are all Catalonia, they chanted. It got violent at one point. Let’s hope it’s not a sign of things to come.

link to elpais.com

@Cassiopeia I disagree with you when you say: “a referendum that was legal under Catalonian law”. Catalonian law doesn’t trump Spanish law. That will be like saying California can enact unconstitutional laws unchallenged by the supreme court. We are either a country of laws or we aren’t. Are you aware the the 1978 constitution was voted yes by about %65 of the Catalonias? Are you aware of the fact that that constitution was written in part by Catalonias? Are you aware that Catalonias voted yes in favor and the other region that voted a higher percentage was Andalucia? Are you aware that the Govern has deviated tax money to fund the separatist movement? Are you aware that Spanish speaking people living in Catalonia are discriminated by the policies imposed by the Govern? Are you aware that the Pujos robbed hands over fist from the Catalonias? Are you aware that historically the Catalonias don’t have a truth based claim to independence? Are you aware that the Govern provided old pictures of old riots as if they were from Oct. 1? I have no doubt in my mind that the Govern was hopping from their poltronas for people to die in Oct. 1st to feed their propaganda machine – none whatsoever. I expect the elections to crush them by the way. The reasons are simple: 1) They lied (and it is now now by the people) that Catalonia will be intermediately accepted by the EU. Heck they wont even be accepted by the UN. 2) They lied when they said that companies will stay in Cataluna (they haven’t and they knew it). 3) They lied when they said that Catalonias would be able to move without borders within the EU. 4) Economic hardship is coming and they will blame the ring leaders. 5) The sane Catalonias know very well that they are not oppressed by Spain. They don’t like the PP but they aren’t idiots. 6) I expect the sane Catalonias to vote for the non-indep parties(and they were and are the majority). 7) They lied when they say that their independence is opposed by facistas (fachas). When Lluís Companys declared independance in 1934 he did so against the republic (socialist government Franco was not in the picture). The republic declare the independence illegal and suspended its autonomy and sentence the ring leaders of the time. So the socialist are also facha? 8) The Catalonian ring leaders have demonstrated time and again to be opportunist and cowards. Companys fled to France after the fall of the republic and left his followers to pay for his actions. The current parliament voted in secret to avoid being prosecuted by Spanish justice. The ex-president of Cataluna decided not to declare DUI to avoid ending in jail (not that that’s going to work). So much for sacrificing for the cause. And I can go on and on

Sorry, the above quote is from wikipedia

Personally, I would be in favor of self-determination if it had been done in a referendum that was legal according to Catalan law. Many, many people in Catalonia has this point of view.

Due in part to the deactivation and repeated blocking by the police of the computer programs used to implement universal census and result reporting,[163] an important number of irregularities were detected during the celebration of the referendum. Among them, people recorded voting more than once, votes made by foreigners not included in the census or even allowing children to vote.[164][165] Unsealed ballot boxes were transported containing ballots inside,[166] and there were ballot boxes placed in the street[167] where any person could introduce their votes without any census control.[168] In 71 municipalities the number of “yes” votes tallied were more than the number of registered voters for those municipalities according to the census.[169]

@Cassiopei: Isn’t funny how the ring leaders been lying to their misguided followers? One of the biggest issues I have with these so called leaders is that they have absolutely no conscience when it comes to their followers. They have no problem whatsoever to expose their followers to harm (physical and financial) just to keep living large and safe. Just because of that they deserve the longest time in jail that the law permits. @peacock No Rajoy will not send the army that is how misinformed you are. Spain controls the banking system and every single penny Cataluna collects from taxes. Moreover, as soon as the sane Catalonias realize the economic damage the ring leaders have caused they will turn in droves to vote against the independistas. I see PSOE making big gains in particular. @Mish: Yes the Catalonias will vote and they will vote against the parties who pushed for DUI. Until recently the anti-DUI Catalonias have not cared much about the independistas. That all changed the moment the movement started to threaten their livelihoods (1700 corporations have left the region %30 of its PIB). So yes they will vote. @Cassiopeia : Don’t be surprise when Mish writes this fluff. He is against anything that has a “U” in it: US, EU, USA etc

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The bottom line output, at least from an investors point of view, is more obvious than the fact that the FBI and CIA have something to hide regarding the JFK assasination, Vegas shooting, and establishment collusion against Trump. Safe haven capital will accelerate into the DOW, as the desperation of the establishment becomes increasingly obvious. Sorry, but fundamentals, which are US-centric, have little to do with the flows into stocks. Yet, it is even more obvious that the fundamentalists will keep missing the rise in stocks, claiming they are in a bubble, overbought, and only supported by money printing. The EU actions sourrounding Brexit, the French and German elections, N Korea, and the actions by Rajoy have all contributed to the flows into stocks. By the time Italian elections role around, the steady flows will turn into a tsunami.

Rajoy will not send the troops as this would immediately place Spain outside the EU’s nations, if not technically at least from a moral and reputational standpoint. Frau Merkel will not allow Rajoy to do that. Anuhow let’s hope that Puigdemont and other Catalan leaders have done their homework. The real test in 21st-century Europe will not be a military-type confrontation about borders or taking control of the streets. Rather it will come in the form of acts of civil ‘disobedience’ (seen from Madrid) or ‘allegiance’ (seen from Barcelona) such as paying taxes to the Authority in charge. Most important the reaction of the Catalan judiciary in implementing Catalan laws (when they are announced) and ignoring Madrid’s. Have the Catalan leaders made adequate preparations? Are they ready to give the correct orders to the local beaurocracy and judiciary? There is no evidence of that and it would be a pity to see this unique exercise in self determination fail.

The EU are desperate to creat a military of their own. This is an ideal opportunity for them to create such a beast to act as an “independent” peacekeeper. They have be scandalously quiet to date but this could be their opportunity.

Easy. The Catalan citizens who support union will organize and participate in the new election and vote for a unionist regime. The Catalans who support independence will boycott and call the new government a sham. This is the perfect way to drive an insurmountable rift between Catalan citizens. Nothing but absolute chaos lies ahead, with large numbers of Catalans sure to feel “robbed” regardless of what happens.

so what, then what’s left of the Spanish economy will collapse. Bloomberg is a complete joke. No one takes them serious anymore.

Exactly, Peacock. Of course Spain will send troops. What will Catalonians do? Peacefully resist? Violently resist? Give up?

overly simplistic reading.