Will We Have a Fair Election?
I am increasingly doubtful. Moreover, the party that is doing the accusing is the party that is doing everything they can to make sure the election is not fair.
Texas Disenfranchisement
Texas Republicans have asked a federal judge to throw out 100,000 ballots in Harris County cast through curbside voting. They drew Judge Andrew Hanen, one of the most notoriously partisan Republican judges in the entire federal judiciary. This is alarming. https://t.co/VODOZrCoUF
— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) October 31, 2020
Texas Republicans are deploying the theory—recently endorsed by Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh—that only state legislatures have authority over elections. Because the Harris County Clerk implemented drive-through voting, Republicans say all 100,000 ballots must be tossed.
— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) October 31, 2020
Republicans are racing to federal court because they have lost in state courts (so far). The Texas Supreme Court, which is entirely Republican, refused to halt curbside voting in October when the GOP claimed it was illegal. https://t.co/ZxDTtzgYoY
— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) October 31, 2020
Got That?
Republicans purposely let this voting go on and now hope to discard as many as 100,000 vote.
Two partisan federal judges are already trying to nullify thousands of Minnesota ballots under this radical theory. I am deeply concerned that Judge Hanen, too, will use it to disenfranchise 100,000 Texans on the eve of Election Day. This is frightening. https://t.co/Q0t99kksTJ
— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) October 31, 2020
https://twitter.com/terihannigan/status/1322607922610802688
Some facts about this Harris County drive thru voting suit:
1. The TX Sec of State approved Harris County doing this months ago.
2. It‘s been publicly posted for months that Harris County would have this.
3. The plaintiffs waited until after votes were cast to challenge it.
— Natalee (@1Realnatalee) October 31, 2020
Not just Texas. In Minnesota they are also fighting to discard votes received after Nov 3 even though people mailed ballots thing ok to arrive by Nov 10. Federal Court of Appeals overruled Minnesota State SC allowing this. SCOTUS will support.
— Jules (@jumblesfromjul) November 1, 2020
That’s Texas and Minnesota. It’s Pennsylvania, too.
I discussed Pennsylvania here: Do NOT Vote By Mail, Trap is Set
The Supreme Court let stand a ruling that allows Pennsylvania to count votes that come in up to three days after the election.
That seems like a victory but likely it isn’t.
Amy Coney Barrett didn’t participate in either decision “because of the need for a prompt resolution” and because she hasn’t had time to fully review the parties’ filings, a court spokeswoman said.
Which is it?
Prompt Resolution? or Time to Review?
If the Supreme Court agrees to take the case after the election there will not be a “prompt resolution” by definition.
What’s been resolved?
We would only have resolution if Barrett proclaimed this case was resolved or she would continue to recuse herself.
Worse yet …
Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, informed the court that local elections officials had been directed to segregate ballots received after the Election Day deadline.
Trump deputy campaign manager and senior counsel Justin Clark said Mr. Shapiro’s decision to segregate ballots is “a big victory.’’
He added: “The Pennsylvania Secretary of State saw the writing on the wall and voluntarily complied with our injunction request,’’ which will “ensure they will not be counted until the U.S. Supreme Court rules on our petition.’’
Justice Alito cited that move in his statement, saying that it would allow “a targeted remedy,” such as invalidating the late-delivered votes, should the court take up the case after Election Day.
Targeted Theft
If it appears Pennsylvania may decide the election, the Supreme Court will hear the case and Barrett will likely say discard the ballots.
If it appears Pennsylvania will not decide the election, Barrett would either let the decision stand or more likely, the Supreme Court would not hear further challenges.
Saving Grace
The saving grace in this sordid affair is Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Florida are likely to go for Biden, theft or not.
It is conceivable Republicans steal Texas.
Election Night Scorecard: Here’s What to Watch
In case you missed it, here’s my Election Night Scorecard: Here’s What to Watch
Mish
I am against the Democrat/communist’s party’s intent to: Split California into 3 states for Senate control, give citizenship to 16 million illegals plus their relatives, in order to suppress conservative voters, create states from Guam, Puerto Rico, and DC in order to get the senators and win future elections, and to pack the SCOTUS with at least 4 more partisan hack judges that will declare all of their coming revenge-laws legal….so, I do want fair play…..
According to preliminary CDC data the Covid deaths absolutely crashed and cratered to just 535 per week in the whole of USA in the week ending 24/10/2020:
Wonder why media has NOT reported this development?
Maybe it would make Joe “shutdown” Biden look like a BAD choice for president and maybe it would also interfere with media smearing Trump as horrible person responsible for everything and causing all the deaths personally and make media claims the situation is worsening all the time look like BS?
As per the CDC.Gov website the total number of deaths involving COVID for the week ending 10/24 was 1,780 with an ASTERISK. As per the asterisk on the CDC.Gov website……
*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.
I have to give you credit for your efforts to push misinformation. Trump would be proud of you.
Maybe FibsonJoe would be a more accurate moniker.
Last week with totally completed stats is the week ending 09/26/2020 and deaths are 3738 for the whole of USA for that week.
The hysteria is overblown and that amount of deaths is NOT a reason to shutdown USA completely like Joe Biden has stated that he will do if an “expert” recommends it to him like Fauci who has already wanted shutdowns until end of Winter.
Fauci lives in bubble where he does NOT see anything past the epidemic.
There are human costs to shutdowns that are much larger than the small number of deaths out of which just 6% per CDC’s own stats die from Covid alone and the rest 94% have on average 2.6 serious comorbidities.
The fact that CDC has a 5 week lag is incredible in this day and age.
Where are you seeing the 1780 number?
To me the chart shows 535 deaths in the week ending 10/24.
From the table titled …..
Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 10/31/2020.*
From the entry for the week of 10/24 – column titled “All Deaths involving COVID-19 (U07.1)1”
The data on the CDC website runs far, far behind. If you look at data for a year ago, it should be accurate. If you look at data for 8 weeks ago, it should be mostly accurate, though a few more deaths may still be added. If you look at data for the most recent 4 weeks, it is meaningless and incomplete.
So the CCP built ghost cities for nothing?.. We have been attacked with Covid 19 Pandemic #1, Trump has no plan to serve & protect our country, Trump is derelict in his duty of care and his bloviating self centered leadership and disrespect of science, media & his own republican party is taken us backwards!.Trump is the worst leader on the Planet who is responsible for more deaths than any soldier who ever fought against the United States by not mandating mask from the start of this attack!..A vote for Trump initiates the countdown U.S. reputation as global leader!..
Flawed Electoral Vote System November 9, 2020 Action Plan
So it’s quite possible the flawed electoral voting system for a third time will disregard the majority of the voters’ choice to lead our country and this third strike puts our democracy on the precipice of civil unrest and push our global reputation past the point of no return due to one man’s failed attempt at politics!…
Total U.S. sick out should be set for each Monday starting November 9, 2020!…
to involve every U.S. registered voter until the final resolve of eliminating the electoral voting system & reclaiming our right to a fair majority wins vote is honored!…Please retweet & post
it may help!
So local DEMOCRAT county officials pushed through curbside voting to increase Democrat votes when the STATE has authority on voting and Republicans are very BAD for challenging this?
Maybe the DEMOCRAT county officials should not have made those decisions and instead asked the state on what to do?
Trump supporters continue to trot out the line that it is unfair to count ballots received days after election date. Let’s get real. These ballots must be postmarked on or before Election Day to count – hardly unfair. If Trump had not put one of his incompetent cronies in charge of the postal service these ballots might actually have had a better chance of arriving in a more timely fashion! Or maybe that was just another Republican voter suppression tactic.
In several states postmarks are NOT required.
Also for states that do require postmarks USPS has lots of Biden supporting employees out which many would be happy to stamp the Nov 3rd postmark on lots of ballot envelopes Nov 4th-Nov 10th if it ensured a Biden victory.
The states where postmarks are not required only count mail in ballots received by the end of Election Day so postmark dates are not an issue. For those states that allow mail in ballots received after Election Day, postmark dates on or prior to election date are required. If you disagree with my post then please provide a link to a credible website with your supporting evidence. It has yet to be proven that there has been any kind of widespread fraud for any mail in ballots in prior elections. This is just one more example of fear-mongering by Trump.
What you claim is FALSE.
A few states allow mailed in ballots arriving after Nov 3rd that have NO postmark or where the postmark is not readable.
Post a link to a credible source backing up your claim please. I posted a link substantiating my position.
Numerous national and state-level studies have shown that although there have been isolated cases, electoral fraud is very rare.
There have been a few, well-publicised cases, such as in the 2018 North Carolina primary, which was re-run after a consultant for the Republican candidate tampered with voting papers.
But the rate of voting fraud overall in the US is less than 0.0009%, according to a 2017 study by the Brennan Center for Justice.
And Federal Election Commission head Ellen Weintraub has said: “There’s simply no basis for the conspiracy theory that voting by mail causes fraud.”
USA has never had mail-in ballots at this level so comparisons to previous instances is a bit like comparing transport before the car and after the car.
Mail-in ballots should have NEVER been approved for use in any state and instead the absentee ballot system should have been used.
In New Jersey there was already massive mail-in ballot fraud:
In no way does Zerohedge qualify as a credible source.
It appears there are a couple of exceptions that I should have called out. Nevada will accept mail in ballots without a postmark up until 3 days after Election Day. New Jersey and New York will accept mail in ballots without postmarks up until two days after and one day after election day respectively. I think it is safe to say that Trump does not have a snowballs chance in hell of winning either New York or New Jersey based on past voting patterns.
It is a bit unfair, and maybe irrational, to censor out facts that Dem lawyers have engineered court decisions for PA to count ballots when signatures don’t match registration and count ballots 8 days after polling closes if no post mark…
There is a reason, Mexico, Canada Euro, and even Russia require a gov ID to cast a vote.
All your obsession with ginning up the vote presents too many opportunities for fascists to control the US.
Irony is when Republicans use the canard of the states being in charge of voting to steal votes in Texas…and then complain about it in Pennsylvania because it might slightly favor the other party. Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds?
I have no problem with requiring an ID to vote, btw.
Then how can you support Democrats who fight against voter ID everywhere?
Because I pick my battles carefully……and I don’t subscribe to any of the stated narratives of either side. ID’s are required here.
We are leaving the age of democracy in this country and entering the age of authoritarianism….and people are begging for it. That’s what cannot end well.
People on both sides are begging for it. No, it can’t end well, but it’s not all that surprising. The US is following the normal path of democracy towards destroying itself. History repeats itself, especially when people don’t know history, and don’t realize the incredible value of the freedom and opportunity we have.
Maybe the Republicans need to be reminded of the definition of the word “democracy” …..
noun: democracy
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives
What the hell is wrong with the Trump supporters in Texas who decided to delay intestate traffic by blocking a Biden campaign bus!? This behavior is completely unacceptable. Arrest and charge these fools before somebody gets hurt.
I have a buddy that talks about Trump stealing the 2016 election because he didn’t win the popular vote. He has parroted the same talking point for weeks about this election. I feel sorry for him. He gets so mad at things he has no control over. Terrible way to live.
I doubt the courts will throw out any ballots not turned in after Nov. 3. As for after the election I suspect some will be thrown out.
Should we be able to vote a week after the election and have it counted?
All ballots have to be postmarked on or before election day.
The issue is how much allowance for those ballots to be delivered by a deliberately sabotaged USPS.
The last time I looked, the USPS had about 600,000 employees. One assumes they are all highly motivated employees, eager to do a full day’s job and maximize customer satisfaction. (sarc)
Add to this, UPS and Fed Ex have completely changed the mail/package business. Does anyone seriously think the USPS is NOT years behind the times. To make matters worse, USPS operates with high levels of overtime. I wonder why?
Deliberately sabotaged? A shakeup was essential, NOT another bailout.
> Deliberately sabotaged? A shakeup was essential, NOT another bailout.
Did the mail get faster or slower?
My is mail is slower.
Some states do NOT require a postmark and that kind of idiotic policy is an invitation to fraud.
This is either an argument against the right of the states to set their own election policies (and thus an argument against local ownership of voting norms) or an argument to change the policies of ‘some states’ – whatever and where ever that means. The former should be rejected on its face as an overreach of centralized power. The latter is an argument that either (a) you should be agitating and working to change the election policies in the state you are in if you don’t like them or (b) you are bellyaching about something that has nothing to do with you, but hurts your ‘wittle feewings’.
If the situation you are describing happens to fall under (a) above, then you should start getting all the like-minded people in your state to change the policy. My current opinion of your situation is that it looks like (b) above – in which case you should be ashamed of advocating a dictatorial solution to a non-problem.
Of course they will. The Republican’s won’t stop till they’ve manufactured a victory. Really, do you think they care what it looks like? They haven’t so far.
Mish, have you signed up to be a poll-watcher in your precinct in Utah. I hear that its worse than Crook County, IL out there!
There is no such thing as a fair election when states allow people to mail in their vote a week or two after Nov 3rd. We have already seen at least 1 state with so much fraud that they had to redo the vote, multiple other states with ballots thrown in a dumpster as well as ballots going to pets, dead people and multiple voters at the same address but havent lived there in 5-10-20 years. Any one of those ballots could be harvested, filled out and mailed in. I can just see the Democrats showing up after the election with enough fraudulent votes to change the election outcome. Voting early=yes. Voting after Nov. 3rd=no. Absentee ballots for registered voters=yes. Not purging/cleaning voter roles and sending ballots to pets, dead people and nonresidents=no. There needs to be 1 national deadline that all the states must comply and mandatory prosecution of voter fraud. The democrats are going to use mail in voting to rig the election thats why we will not get a fair election now or in the future (especially in democratic states).
This is nonsense. All ballots still have to be postmarked by election day. This is the same way we do the tax deadline.
You may have noticed that the USPS is somewhat of a shit show these days… for SOME REASON. So given that it is reasonable to allow time for ballots to be received if they are postmarked on or before election day.
This is not true. The Pennsylvania Secretary of State office said ““Under the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that allows the three-day extension, ballots with no postmark or an illegible postmark are presumed to have been postmarked by the Election Day deadline, unless there is evidence the ballot was mailed after the deadline,” the spokesperson said.”
So if there is NO postmark or an unreadable postmark, it will be assumed that it was mailed on time.
The USPS has also said that many won’t get postmarked, because normally they don’t postmark mail that is already prepaid.
Well, gee if the problem is lack of postmark, maybe they should make sure they postmark.
Like your link says at the top:
Bottom line is what you said was false.
Ballots don’t have to be postmarked on election day. The USPS said they can’t even guarantee that they will postmark them. And if there is no postmark or one they can’t read the postmark then it counts.
Given the slowdown in mail, this is not a real concern. This is just more fake Fox News outrage.
I suspect fraud goes both ways–bad behavior is both people and party dependent.
It is clear that the Covid situation requires alternative means of voting need to be in place along with safeguards to ensure a fair election. The only effective alternative would have been to use the ‘absentee ballot process’, already in place. IT has safeguards to ensure a fair election. Hastily thrown together methods reek of manipulation (on both sides).
Or are you talking about the voter intimidation these Trumpies are attempting: link to businessinsider.com
or the fake ballot drop boxes the Republicans set up in California?
Republicans don’t believe in democracy, that is one of their core values.
There certainly needs to be a cut-off, I don’t think anyone would argue about this. But speaking of despicabe behavior:
Conduct an impeachment hearing based upon a known-to-be bogus dossier funded as opposition research.
Worse, the federal police complicity in this sham, including spying on American citizens.
Worse, the complicity of the MSM in reporting this sham, and lack of follow-up on reporting what really happened.
The Fed Saved the Economy but Is Threatening Trillions of Dollars Worth of Middle-Class Retirement
Hindsight is always 20-20. The problem is not ‘the Fed’. However, they did contribute massively. Confronted by a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation, the Fed has no choice. The underlying issue is a global debt problem.
Gov’t worldwide lives on debt, mostly funding the welfare society. The alternative–raising taxes, lowers productivity. Now, some of this debt was created by the excess of production over consumption. Some debt is fiat–entirely artificial–nothing got produced. The marginal productivity of debt drops with every fiat debt dollar. It takes more and more debt, so more and more fiat. The only way to sustain the debt, is lower interest rates.
The USA is near zero interest rates, soon to go negative. The coming debt implosion will be worth watching from a distance.
Will Covid-19 save the Social Security Fund?
What social security fund? The IOUs in the filing cabinet at the SS HQ in DC? “Dear SS, We owe you $2.9 trillion. signed, the full faith and credit of the federal govt.”
‘No matter who you are for, you should be in favor of a fair’ and honest MEDIA, to begin. Because when the media is biased, lies, and censors, no election can be fair.
This is not to justify elections that are not fair, but the issue is far more complex. To wit, the reports of 100K ballots being discarded was reported by whom? Are there any pertinent facts left out of the story that might justify the discarding?
We are witnessing the result of endless attacks during 3.5 years. It will not end well.
DIMS hate American as is, they want to change it:
DIMS hated Lincoln for the same reason:
DIMS hate Trump for the same reason:
DIMS have always hated the Constitution, personal freedom, Religion:
DIMS only want powder over you.
Clinton said in 1991, one party in control of the news media.
Obama said last week, the same thing You’re out of your mind if you vote for NO CONSITITUATION. DIMS
Well, it is not as if I had not said that the only way they can win is to cheat on every other post I have made here in the last 8 months, so I will not ride that pony into the dirt.
The Texas legislature may have ultimate control over how elections are done in Texas, but the PEOPLE of Texas are US citizens, and no state has the authority to violate their rights under the US constitution such as Abbot did when he changed arbitrarily ordered the counties in Texas have only one single drop box in the large urban democrat heavy cities, where was the legislature in THAT decision?
But the statutes also leave some leeway for the county authorities to manage the local elections and aspects of how that is arranged. If the registrar in Harris County felt they had the discretion to use drive up delivery after the governor’s order that each county have only one physical point of delivery of ballots then the courts SHOULD have stepped in and voided his obvious attempt to disenfranchize democratic voters. And all other things being equal, then these votes should be allowed to stand, even if the courts hold that in future the voting authorities get such changes okayed at state level in future. Because to throw out something as sacred as a citizens vote over an ambiguity in the statutes is one of the actual marks of a fascist dictatorship and we all know it. Some may argue that these elected registrars have no authority to allow people to deliver ballots curbside, then how do those same people justify the governor usurping Texas statute to arbitrarily order drop boxes removed from counties?
And if you ask me the incident in California where republicans set up many fake drop boxes with the intention of destroying dem ballots is all the excuse any GOP governor needed to justify such an emergency order to do what Abbot did. But please note that all the cheating – ALL OF IT- has been on the GOP side.
“They drew Judge Andrew Hanen, one of the most notoriously partisan Republican judges in the entire federal judiciary. “
Um, is it really necessary to point out that a judge’s personal partisanship feeling are a very distant second to their respect for the laws of the land, and that they took an oath to put the law first? No judge should be deciding cases based on personal political bias and if they do their rulings through their entire career voided and themselves removed from the bench in disgrace, then every case they ever sat on gets a new trial. Expensive and time consuming but also the only fair way to handle corrupt judges. No matter which side they are on I might add. It is something you just do not do no matter the temptation.
It is time for the federal bench to get an official legal watchdog group to keep an eye on federal judges, sample review their rulings and knowledge of the law. Accept complaints from attorneys who have been shot down by judges on spurious grounds, and then recommend corrective action to the congress which the Judiciary Committee is required to act upon.
But we also need to remember that corruption and partisanship is a lot deeper than a few judges or one party’s willingness to cheat to win elections. It is the approval of the entire electorate that is partisan on their behalf that we have to find a way to stop. I am seriously thinking that we will have to find a way to isolate these republican bastards from decent society and soon or there will be no America left. Start with the armed ones like the ones that trapped that Biden Bus this weekend and forced it to stop on the way to an event in Austin. They ambushed it and actually forced it to stop on the highway and the event was of course cancelled. Those people committed a crime and need to go to prison.
I must say, for people who claim to cherish their right to bear arms they are behaving in the one manner that gives the other side the most ammunition for seeing that they lose that so called right. These people are not dealing with a full deck and should NOT be allowed to posess firearms.
You should be a constitutional lawyer. Your comments astound me.
hear hear!
Abbot is the Governor of State of Texas
->Therefore he can decide election issues like order only one drop-off point per county since he leads the State.
Local DEMOCRAT officials in counties are COUNTY officials.
->Therefore they can NOT decide to start curbside pickup.
Abbot has wide latitude in the running of his state, but he does NOT have the authority to override the rights of US citizens under our federal constitution. The US constitution overrides all state constitutions as they pertain to citizen rights.
The right to vote is one of those, and the Texas supreme court has held for YEARS that curbside voting is a Texan’s right. They cannot overturn precedent now just to satisfy Abbot’s attempt to limit voting in democratic districts because that is a naked attempt to disenfranchize the right to vote. Texas law makes allowences for local voting authorities to opearte the election in the fairest and most accomodating manner that they see fit under the law, what Abbot did was selectively shut down voting and accomodation in a way that ONLY matters in urban areas where democrat registrations are concentrated.
There is a doctrine in US law that denies entities including state governments, to take actions that discriminate or violate the civil rights of citizens OR HAS THAT EFFECT! Abbot did not even have to mean for it to have that effect but the federal courts can and are supposed to strike down orders and laws that interfere with civil rights even when that is just a side effect of an action or law.
The choice is liberalism or illiberalism. Voting 3rd party is to turn a blind eye.
It’s because of this the vote must be unmistakable. This is not a year to engage in 3rd party protest votes
Yes.
NYT has become bunch of hysterical fear-mongering DEMOCRAT cultists.
They had 15 opinion writers writing how Trump is very, very BAD and how Joe “you are NOT getting the billion unless the prosecutor is fired” Biden and Kamala “kept people locked up longer than their sentences were” Harris are the saviors.
Republicans hate democracy. They will destroy the country to hold onto power. The US is now officially a failed state.
All I see is lopsided Group think here . Won’t be here for long..watch the Doc on Antifa…It’s not about Rep or Dem ithat’s a kindergarten school play for the distracted…meanwhile your lives will be shockingly disrupted by a flank attack from Lords of Chaos who are good at it.And you are all blind to it with your confused priorities.Softies without a clue.
Lords of Chaos? I have no idea who they are. Is it a Biblical reference? Now, if you’d said the Minions of Bilderberg, or Global Socialists, I’d understand
Republicans can’t win a fair election. It is a failed party.
Yes, we’d be better off with a one party country.
In this case I really must agree with you, one party rule is never a desirable state, but when that OTHER party is a fascist cheating threatening harrassing deadly braindead science denying group of thugs and corrupt officials then you are right no matter that you cannot post in good faith any kind of argument in favor of your positions but need to resort to sarcasm.
LOCK THEM UP !
Or several “third parties” with real platforms that differ from each other and compete on level playing fields.
What’s unintentionally ironic about your comment is that the US is a one-party system and has been since at least 1980. Maybe 1971.
Two people in this thread declared they’ve had enough of the site despite zero previous posts. Are these drive-bys pretending to be regular readers?
I still have yet to hear a cogent argument from anyone why Trump deserves a vote in 2020. It made sense in 2016 as an outsider, but not after becoming an established swamp creature. Trump spent most of his first term crying for lower interest rates and more QE, yet his supporters here claim to care about finance???
Edit- looks like both fake readers just got nuked.
Finance is the best argument against Trump, IMHO. Preservation of basic human rights is the best argument for Trump. Choose wisely, grasshopper.
Basic human rights Kimo? Like the right to VOTE? Like the right to go to the polls or for candidates to travel on open roads without being stopped/hijacked by partisans toting guns to intimidate and harrass?
If you ask me those peope who stopped the Biden Bus en route to a campaign event in Austin carrying guns need to go behind bars for a few decades for their CRIMES:
18 U.S. Code § 241.Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Had anyone on that Biden bus been killed or even had a heart attack and died as a result of this conspiracy against rights this would have been a CAPITAL crime. On of the few in the federal code.
I think Mish is very generous to not nuke more!
much better analysis then Mish lately: link to kunstler.com
I used to read Kunstler. He’s a great writer but his analysis has huge blind spots, especially on foreign policy (Israel can do no wrong, sympathizing with neocons, supporting ME wars, etc). He also doesn’t like to go outside the two party system.
It’s taken Kunstler 12 years to get from an Obama vote to going full Trump. It started when Obama turned out to be somewhat of a disappointment. Then he decided to criticize the Russiagate investigation…and since that was front and center for nearly four years….he really hammered on it….seemed to get more outraged every week.
For a long time he fought it….he didn’t instantly start advocating for Trump…that part just slowly creeped in over time and seemed to be the inevitable destination for his ideological journey. Here lately he’s completely out of the closet.
The difference between me and JHK is that realizing that the Dems were capable of using that kind of tactic…and that the MSM would back it…..didn’t suddenly make Trump look like a good guy to me.. I don’t quite get how you get to there…just because you don’t like the Democrats anymore.
He seems to be making a binary choice, for sure.
Both parties will pull whatever tricks and schemes they can to win. Is there anyone over the age of 20 who doesn’t know that?!?
There may, indeed, be something behind these tweets. Experience says not. But, hey, could be. After all, political tweets have been known to contain a grain of truth from time to time.
We count on true-believers from each party to find dirt on the other party. So, tweet on!
Thank you for the PERFECT example of the logical fallacy called FALSE EQUIVALENCE!
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. A colloquial expression of false equivalency is “comparing apples and oranges”.
You do not document any democratic violations of law to thwart GOP votes because there are no credible reports to document.
Where I can and have documented along with at least a dozen other posters here including Mish himself, the nature and scope of republican efforst to supress turnout out, disenfranchize democrat districts, challenge lawfully cast ballots in court, attacking the integrity of the the MAIL for fuck’s sake all in an effort to prevent people from exercizing their right to vote.
Now if your partisan position is that democrats are doing all that and more then post documentation or else you can STFU! Don’t mean to be harsh with you Felix, but I am sick and tired of this ignorant flase comparison between parties. You have a responsibility to post truth and fact to support your claims or your voice is as worthless as all the daily stream of lies coming out of Trump’s own racist traitor mouth.
“No credible reports to document” Projectveritas.com documented tons of it in on video in Minnesota with Ilhan Omar’s campaign, buying votes for Democrats.
The poster is correct.
If you are older and have experienced several presidential elections, you know both sides cheat. This is not news.
To claim it is or that only one side is doing it smacks of blatant propaganda, not honesty.
I suspect you are a russian troll farm employee, possibly in a supervisory capacity sdince most of them joined Mish Talk within the last 4 weeks, where you joined all the way back in July.
So as a russian paid troll I cannot feel bad for your being brainwashed because you know better than the crap you just posted.
Here is what Wiki says about your wonderfully informative website that you advertised in your post:
Project Veritas is an American right-wing activist group founded by James O’Keefe in 2010.[1][2][3][4] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption[1] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups.[5][2][6][7][8][9][10] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a “right-wing disinformation outfit”.[11]
In March 2020, The New York Times published an exposé detailing Project Veritas’ use of spies recruited by Erik Prince, to infiltrate “Democratic congressional campaigns, labor organizations and other groups considered hostile to the Trump agenda”. The Times piece notes O’Keefe’s and Prince’s close links to the Trump administration, and details contributions such as a $1 million transfer of funds from an undisclosed source to support their work. The findings were based in part on discovery documents in a case brought by the American Federation of Teachers, Michigan, which was infiltrated by Project Veritas.[12]
Google it people, it is a Nazi propaganda outlet backed by russians, link to theintercept.com
Now if you are an American rather than a paid employee of the russians that just means you are gullible and possibly too stupid to get a fork to your own face, meaning someone is tube feeding you daily, and guess what? I still don’t feel sorry for you!
So bottom line you still have not posted a single credible accusation that democrats are doing what the GOP is in systematically denying US voters their right to vote and have it count.
You people are literally garbage and as I am fond of say sweetie; PAY BACK IS A BITCH, so think about the crimes you are doing because you are NOT going to like paying for them.
The Intercept has gone full-on Democrat cultist and even their best reporter Glen Greenwald decided to resign because the Intercept refuses to report negative things about Biden and blocked his story.
That is their business/right. Greenwald is like so many other voters demanding a turn to the right as they get older, why, when it is the right that wants to end social security and Medicare. Or at least slash it till it is all but ended. My own view is the older I get the less patience I have with fascists who think cheating, intimidation, and violence are acceptable routes to their own political goals. The Intercept does good reporting, just because they do not spout FAUX NEWS and parrot russian disinformation or Qanon bullshit does not make them a cult, quite the opposite in fact. If there was ANY credibility to the stories about the Biden “crime family” they would report it, what we do know is the Trump MAFIA is well documented and that fat orange russian spy is going to prison real soon.
There is so much in the way of false implications out there it’s hard to take anything seriously. For example “oh, the post office is removing blue boxes! It’s to make it harder to vote.” The mail is shrinking dramatically every year. Blue boxes have been removed every year, under Trump, under Obama, under Bush. Furthermore, a lot more should be eliminated. That has nothing to do with voting. When I voted, I used a drop box at the library, not a blue box, anyway.
As far as Democrat dirty tricks, rather than invalidating votes, their practice historically has been to encourage the voting of dead people. Also in their history is paying drunks to vote with liquor. Gerrymandering was a Democratic strength, too; they were the pros.
It’s a false equivalence to stay that one party’s dirty tricks are fine, and the other party’s tricks are not a problem. Neither should be tolerated.
As far as trying to overturn votes already cast, the doctrine of laches should prevent those from being overturned. I’m not going to get excited until I see how the courts rule; I will shocked if any reputable court overturns votes which were cast under rules in force when they were cast.
You can’t both sides this one.
The GOP is engaged in active voter suppression, a blatant attack on the fairness of the election and the democratic process.
The Democrats are trying to make sure everyone can vote and that their votes are counted.
I’m glad Republicans are finally hitting back and fighting democrat fire with fire. I am proud to vote Republican and Trump
So does this mean you are anti-democracy and anti-elections?
Yes, and a lot of Germans supported and LOVED their fuhrer too, so what?
“Judge Andrew Hanen, one of the most notoriously partisan Republican judges in the entire federal judiciary.”
I would like to point out the for a judge to be partisan, let alone “notoriously partisan” is highly illegal.
Why has not this judge been imprisoned? Why has he not been place on Barack Obama’s Kill List? The Kill List that is now Official U.S. Business not just Obama’s? Why has not this judge been tortured? Why has not this judge been “indefinatly detained in prison” and tortured while so, which US judges have rules is totally 100% constitutional and legal?
“Moreover, the party that is doing the accusing is the party that is doing everything they can to make sure the election is not fair.”
The party accusing in this article appears to be “democrat” ?
Gee, might they have to vote in person?
If you think 100,000 Texans will have the opportunity to vote in person you’re naive
Huh? A state of 30 million people can’t handle 100,000 voters?
Yeah, I know that’s an unfair-ish question if you look at the details, but still.
4 years ago they were not fearful of catching Covid? Texas Covid numbers are getting out of hand. Some people simply cannot risk their health in long lines etc.
so you are suggesting the election board will notify them they have the opportunity to vote again in person?
Well I think that the partisan tone of Kimo’s retort is a “let them eat cake” answer if there ever was one, but, at least technically he is right, if those 100,000 people have their votes tossed out they will have the opportunity to go vote in person.
I know for my own part as I have said here before, I would lick a toilet on the Covid ward of a major hospital for the right to go vote against Donald “Seig Heil” Trump, and so should they if that is what it takes.
Every American should be outraged by any effort to disenfranchise voters. I have no issue with the Republicans opposition to curbside voting. I do however take great exception to the timing of their effort. Any efforts to make voting more difficult, or worse, block votes altogether, is an insult to a country that prides itself on being a democracy. Only one word for this. SHAMEFUL!
I have an issue with their opposition, the curbside drop off was not instituted till Governor Abbot ordered all drop boxes in the state be removed except for one in each county, and WHY did he do that?
Because in the large cities like metro Houston and Dallas/Ft. Worth, and San Antonio, and Austin which are where most TX democrats live that shut down their access to drop boxes.
This act on the governor’s part was such a bald faced democrat suppression device that that the registrars got a little creative in ways to enable voters to turn in their otherwise LAWFULLY voted ballots.
In a county of millions of voters having only one single slot to drop a ballot in is criminal at the very least, if a ballot was able to be dropped one per second it would take 23 days to drop them all, and they would have to stop the moment the box was full. I am sure Governor Abbot mandated that the box in Harris County be large enough to hold as many as 20 ballots also.
Anyway there is some good news, the GOP supreme Court in TX has turned down the republican request to toss those ballots. I am sure that the clean hands doctrin played a part in this. You know the GOP is going too far when judges from their own party slap them down!
That is the good news, the bad news is they also filed the same suit in federal court where a handpicked Trump judge will decide the case on the federal level.
Talk about DESPERATE! The actually have no shame or embarrassment left and are scrabling for any help they can get.
They did vote in person. Maybe try reading the article.
Your insinuation that your vote counts more because of the way you voted is repugnant.
Thanks for this one……its been on my mind all day.
Absolutely sickening. I don’t see how Republicans can argue they are the ones with ‘values’ or that they stand for ‘America’ if they can’t even stand to have a fair vote.
Seems like heading to your polling place is a fine way to have a fair vote. Those that find it difficult might request an absentee ballot. I hope your not inconvenienced.
My state does every ballot for everyone registered by mail. You can take your insinuations and stick them where the sun don’t shine since you’re suggesting I and every other person in my state should be disenfranchised.
This is not about INCONVENIENCE and you F’ing well know it, it is about DEMOCRATS in dem districts being forced to wait in line 5-8-11 hours, and packed into polling stations cheek by jowel with sick people during a pandemic. It is ALL about suppression of their voting rights, and it is CHEATING. Meaning people like you who support this effort are weasley little cheaters who cannot win without breaking the law and doing intentional damage to our nation.
As I keep saying you really need to think about what you are doing becuase there WILL be payback and it really is a bitch.
This is one of the things that have turned me off about Republicans. Gerrymandering, voter suppression and nullification of cast votes Texas limiting drop boxes, judges tossing ballots and legislatures along with judges rigging districts. The Supreme Court actually backed this saying the founders expected this. The ending of the voting rights act has encouraged states once again to engage in bad behavior.
This is worse than anything Putin could do. It destroys our trust in Democracy
Don’t forget. In California the Rethuglicans made their own “official” voting boxes. Haha.
Yeah sechel i feel the same way. Dont forget to throw in some fear tactics. I feel its because they need people to vote for them. But their policies dont really benefit the base. Just maybe top 5 percent. How much time is spent over the last twenty years arguing over god guns immigration abortion. Etc.
Ah, yes, gerrymandering. I remember when there was little hope for Republicans to come close to a majority in the House because the Democrats had so thoroughly gerrymandered all the states as to assure their perpetual majority. The Republicans put their focus on the State Legislatures, and gerrymandered back, and had a majority for awhile.
Please don’t pretend these are tools used by only one party. I’m not saying they are good, just that both parties are guilty.
Both sides are doing everything they can to win. The democrats fabricated a bunch of evidence to get Trump thrown out, so they’re hardly in a position to cry foul. And take a look at the Maryland Congressional district map. The most Gerrymandered state by far. The dems did a good job securing 7 out of 8 seats in a state with a republican governor.
I got turned off by Republicans as soon as I realized that they were not trying to win the majority vote and instead relied on loopholes to get elections won, such as via Electoral College etc, or block stuff through the Senate. The apportionment for the Senate is heavily Republican favored (unless we split California into 6 states). There is something fundamentally wrong about one of the major parties NOT trying to win popular vote.