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Please consider Democrats Move on Iowa’s Second District

GOP Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks won the November race by 47 votes in the first count and six votes after lawyers wrangled over ballots in a recount. Democrat Rita Hart wants the House to use its constitutional authority as “judge of the elections” of its Members to impose another recount and reverse the outcome.

Ms. Hart’s brief to the Committee on House Administration claims that 22 ballots should have been counted but weren’t. Ms. Miller-Meeks replied that the challenge should be dismissed because Ms. Hart declined in December to raise her complaints in a special Iowa court designed to resolve contested elections.

On Wednesday the committee’s Democratic majority sided with Ms. Hart and “tabled” Ms. Miller-Meeks’s motion to dismiss. Remarks from the committee chair, Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California, suggest Democrats are prepared to see the process through to their desired outcome.

Ms. Lofgren said “the American people deserve to know who actually won this election,” as if the outcome had not already been certified by a 5-0 vote of Iowa’s state elections board composed of three Republicans and two Democrats. The precursor to the Committee on House Administration had held that results are “presumed to be correct until they are impeached by proof of irregularity and fraud.”

But now the committee seems intent on a third count of ballots, this time with Democrats in Washington making the rules. It asked the two parties to list any ballots they think should have been included or excluded. That invites Ms. Hart’s lawyers to introduce more ballot claims they think will favor their side, and forces Ms. Miller-Meeks to do the same though she is already a legally elected Representative.

The party is on the precipice of creating a precedent, for the first time in a generation, that a partisan majority in Congress can disregard state officials and redo a close election count according to its own preferences. 

Democrats want Republicans to honor the count but cannot do the same in an election already certified 5-0 twice. 

Mish

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amigator
amigator
3 years ago

Hey Mish no post on the WaPo retracting their story on Trumps call to jawjaw’s secretary of state’s offices?

Unbelievable.

Have you found any odds on Derek Chauvin going free after trail? Check with pollsters!

Rippletum
Rippletum
3 years ago

If the shoe was on the other foot and there was a Republican controlled House then the Republicans would elect the Republican.

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher
3 years ago

I don’t care what a Federal agency says is the value of a human life. I am saying it is not my responsibility to pay for the choices others make. Anyway I am well familiar with how government agencies and the consultants they hire put value on everything. That is how governments justify paying $100s of Millions for sports stadiums because they multiply the value of the jobs to mind boggling numbers. I’ve seen too many justifications like that in my life to be convinced they have nay merit.
That is the BS you are buying from political elites.
No one had to tell me that the government paying for people’s lifestyle choices is unsustainable. It is easy to determine for yourself. The vast majority of taxes are paid by the sinking middle class in this country. Every time you want a new government subsidy the middle class will be taxed. Tax the rich? You can tax the wealthy in this country at 70% which we once did and you will never collect enough to support the government, let alone the subsidized programs such as two years paid leave you support. More taxes hurt the middle class. Kill you middle class as we are doing in the U.S. and you will do irreparable damage to the country.
Don’t talk to me in platitudes about Oligarchs – which are really a Communist term and experience. Take responsibility and understand the choices you make have consequences.
You live in CA. 10% State income tax plus all the other ridiculous fees you pay that are hidden taxes for living in the Golden State. Your real estate and sales taxes are high also.
I live in Florida with no state income taxes. We have high real estate taxes and middle of the road sales taxes to make up for no income tax.
You complain about the rich and the taxes and the cost of living in CA. and yet you want more government subsidies believing that is the way out. Those government subsidies come from taxes, taxes I am not willing to pay. You experience the cost of living in CA every day and ask for more. Maybe think about what you want as a priority because you cant have it all, No person, No Family, No Business small or large and certainly no country.
Time for you to do some thinking about your choices and take action. Like an adult its time to quit blaming as well as expecting others including the government to do it for you.
Good luck in all sincerity.

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher
3 years ago

Again you missed my point.

  1. Private corporations do not provide those services.
  2. You are correct the Federal Government is not a private enterprise nor was it established to take care of people.
  3. The government was formed for the defense of the country. The founders and most people today do not want the government to manage things for them. Kings did that many years ago and not well. People wanted the freedom to choose religion, choose to say what they thought openly and freely (freedom of speech), freedom to be left alone. The government was founded to defend the country, to make and enforce laws for the health and welfare of citizens. I don’t want the government to take care of me.
  4. You chose to live in California. There are pros and cons to living in that state. Why should U.S. citizens support the expensive lifestyle that Californian’s choose to live in. Real estate is expensive in California, but much less expensive in many areas of the country. California Government has many regulations and excessive taxes that also raise the cost of living. If you cannot afford to live and raise children in California that is your problem, not every other American who lives in states in less taxes, less expensive real estate, less expensive energy.
  5. You complain about the Capitalist elite. The United States was the first country in the world to provide public education for everyone. Public K-12 education is free to all American children. People who choose to send their children to private schools must still pay the taxes for public education, usually in the form of real estate taxes. That freedom of choice means they must pay without subsidy for their private school. Yet, the school system in many large cities is underperforming even though the U.S. has the highest cost per capita education costs. The Republicans wanted to serve people with vouchers so they could choose to send their children to any school, public or private. The Democrats and Teachers Unions fought and continue to fight against that. Who does that hurt? The poor and lower income inner city children who must attend the poorly performing public school .
    That is not a rich vs poor. That is politics and control. The teachers union wants to have the power and control as do the Democrats they support so they agree to provide votes and support the Democrats and the Democrats agree to kill school choice. Seems to me if you support CHOICE that you would support educational choice also.
  6. You can complain about the rich all you want. That will never change anything. The wealthy from the beginning of time across the globe always have better access to everything. The U.S. didn’t create that. Just the opposite. The U.S. was formed so people had the opportunity to do better for themselves. The system may not be perfect, but it is certainly better than the monarchies we had prior.
  7. You have problems in life. Join the human race. we all do. If you don’t like your situation then do something to chnage it, but don’t look to the government to do it for you. Expecting the government to take care of things for you has always led to bad outcomes. Read some history. If you think homogenic societies like the Nordic countries have done a better job with some of their socialist policies, I suggest you ask them how it is going now that their societies are increasingly less
    homogenic.
  8. The U.S. was formed as a Constitutional Republic so citizens were free to do as they pleased within reason without government interference. If you want the government to take care of you and your children for 2 years then you are living in the wrong country. Most U.S. citizens do not support that and most likely never will.
    Sounds like you should consider moving to another state and half your problems will go away. By the way I raised two children and I experienced the costs and still do provide support at times even as they are adults. That is a choice I made, at a cost that I would make again.
    I also had the choice over 35 years ago to move to California. I would have made much more money, but I chose to stay in Florida because the house I owned in the location I chose would have cost 5 times more in California, at that time. Now the difference would be 10X if not more. I am certainly not rich, but I made choices for myself and my family that I could afford.
FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher
3 years ago

@Qaunta You are clearly deranged or a Troll. No reasonable thinking person could read what I typed as hate, so I assume you are a Troll. I expressed no hate for liberals only disgust with Democrat leaders’ hypocrisy. I certainly never expressed hate for Obama.
Your comments about religion and abortion indicate you must be borderline personality, which is supported by your clearly expressed hate for Bush and Trump.
Why any reasonable site would allow you to type and print such garbage is beyond me. Hide safely behind your anonymity because no one with courage or honesty would type such self serving tripe.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
3 years ago

Just more polarization and more bickering…..as far into the future as I can see. Why should the Democrats behave in an ethical superior way to Republicans? They’re both part of the same oligarchy, just looking to carve up the same pork in different ways.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
3 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

Because they didn’t attack the Capitol.

Tengen
Tengen
3 years ago

Kindergarten teachers everywhere should use the two parties as bogeymen for the kids, permanent examples of how not to act in society.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago

Perhaps someone here could tell me what type of voting system they would like to have and talk about specifics and not generalisations. I might be asking too much but what the Hell.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

I would make the drawing of districts random and let a random number generator decide. The voting system we have could be better. Make election day a national holiday. That would increase turnout even more. And make it so that if you pay taxes and aren’t behind on them, then you get to vote. If you don’t pay taxes and don’t play by the rules of road, then you lose your vote. Why should tax cheats get to vote. Also make campaign contributions of all kinds illegal. That’s right not a single red cent. We have social media and fair time rules on TV and that is enough. This isn’t 1800.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago

I agree with most of that except I would let individuals contribute up to $2000 to an individual candidate. No Pacs ever and only physical people can contribute. Companies can never advertise for or against a party or candidate. So you see the need to have robust verification of the voter’s identity then?

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

@Doug78 look at Florida voting policies and practices across the state that were put in place after the hanging chad elections. Florida has mail in ballot and in person voting. Florida requires an ID to vote in person. Florida has labeled all the envelopes and the ballots for mail in voting so they audit and tie the ballot to the registered voter. Any person who votes by mail will not be allowed to vote in person and Florida has a process for enforcing that law rather than right a law with no enforcement which means the law does not exist in reality.

caradoc-again
caradoc-again
3 years ago

Beyond me why anyone would want to be in the driving seat of the coming mega car crash.

amigator
amigator
3 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again

The drivers always think they can avoid the crash. Besides they are making a ton of dough… why change that!

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
3 years ago
Reply to  caradoc-again

There will be no crash. Just another slow recovery followed by Republicans destroying it all again in 4 or 8 years. This has been the MO since the 1990s. You actually actually have to go back to Carter to find a failed Democrat as President.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
3 years ago

Which party attacked the Capitol ?

hhabana
hhabana
3 years ago

Which party wants to control free speech and their storm troopers are BLM and Antifa?

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago

No party attacked the Capitol.

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher
3 years ago

BLM leader attacked the Capitol. Actually bombed it 3 decades ago.

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher
3 years ago

@Quanta you have no idea of what you speak. GOP has always been open to women. First Supreme court judge was put on the court by a Republican President. You buy into all the BS the Democrat Party leaders tell you without doing your own research.
The GOP myth of catering to less educated is another chimera created by the Democrat Party leaders. The less educated Republicans that you speak of were previously solid Democrat voters who became disgusted with the Democrat party who made promises that were never kept. Union party members were always counted as solid Democrat votes until they realized that the Democrats don’t really care about them as was demonstrated by the job killing policies they put in place and supported over the last 2 decades.
I suggest you go back in history starting with Lincoln and look at the policies that Republican Presidents endorsed and put in place and you may be surprise to find out which party actually put laws and policies in place for Freedom, individual rights, land conservation, air and water pollution regulation and policies, and more.
President Johnson can be credited for Medicare. However he can also be credited with institutionalizing a welfare system that tore part black families and created a financial dependency that started in the 1960s and continues to this day to the detriment of poor urban families.
Look at the history of planned parenthood and its founding. The original goal was to stop black babies from being born. That goal was promoted outwardly by Democrat politicians and the supporters for abortion. Don’t mistake the words you hear today for a “Woman’s Right to Choose” with the actual goals and objectives that were designed to support abortion rights. Whether you or I agree with abortion which is a highly personal and often traumatic event for women is not the point. If people really have the right to choose then put a program in place that educates objectively so that a woman or often young girl feels she has the right to choose. As it is today, Planned Parenthood stated objective is to increase the number of abortions. That doesn’t sound like choice to me. Sounds like Planned Abortion .
Today neither Republicans or Democrats as a party are acting in the best interests of U.S. citizens. Their goal is only to retain power. The Democrats under the Biden administration are doing everything they can to divide the nation so they can retain power. As long as the people fight each other that is good for the Democrat Party.
You can choose to buy into that messaging and allow your rights to be taken one by one or you can challenge those who were voted into office to represent you.
Consider that our Founders all believed that service to your country was a temporary duty and obligation for the benefit of all. They would be shocked at the seeing the Professional Lifelong Politicians serving today who are so out of touch with the average U.S. citizen. Even more they would consider politicians of all stripes Congressional and Executive who come into office most often without much money and leave enriched because they capitalized on their time in office to the detriment of the country. Please explain to me how the Clintons and Obamas can reasonably justify how wealthy they have become capitalizing on their time in office. Were they in service to the country or were they in service for themselves?
You can choose to look honestly at those you put into office and ask hard questions or you can by the BS that Democrat leaders choose to feed you.

PostCambrian
PostCambrian
3 years ago

Republicans have a long history of voter repression however unless there is extremely good proof that there was some egregious failure to count legally cast votes (I don’t know why the votes were rejected) then the seat should go to the Republican. It is very bad PR for the Democrats who seem to have more of their party who actually care about right and wrong than the Republicans. This action won’t affect the voters that align with their own party no matter what but it will bother those Democrats who care about the legal process and most likely push them towards a third party candidate. And right now a vote for a third party candidate is essentially a vote against the party that you are leaving. They should consider the election results final, use it as an example of their commitment to democracy, and win the seat back in two years.

This also shows that there needs to be explicit rules on how to count ballots in federal elections regarding almost every conceivable possibility (slight signature mismatch, slightly wrong address [I actually have two zip codes], stray marks on ballot, etc.) BEFORE the next election. Any new rule interpretations AFTER the election always appear to be made to favor one side or the other (depending on which side you are on).

JonSellers
JonSellers
3 years ago

The House has no ability to overturn an election. This is all just posturing.

WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf
3 years ago

Man, do I love seeing the Demopublicans fighting with the Republicrats – as if there’s a warm cup of spit difference between the two …..

DHolzer
DHolzer
3 years ago
Reply to  WarpartySerf

Sure there is a difference. The Democrats wants to take your money and give it to people who are poorer than you, and the Republicans want to take your money and give it to people who are richer than you.

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