Respect the Vote Only Applies If Your Party Wins

Mish

The votes have been counted and recounted twice in Iowa’s Second District. The Republican won both times. Democrats in Congress want a third recount with rigged rules.

Rigged Rules 

Please consider Democrats Move on Iowa’s Second District

GOP Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks won the November race by 47 votes in the first count and six votes after lawyers wrangled over ballots in a recount. Democrat Rita Hart wants the House to use its constitutional authority as “judge of the elections” of its Members to impose another recount and reverse the outcome.

Ms. Hart’s brief to the Committee on House Administration claims that 22 ballots should have been counted but weren’t. Ms. Miller-Meeks replied that the challenge should be dismissed because Ms. Hart declined in December to raise her complaints in a special Iowa court designed to resolve contested elections.

On Wednesday the committee’s Democratic majority sided with Ms. Hart and “tabled” Ms. Miller-Meeks’s motion to dismiss. Remarks from the committee chair, Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California, suggest Democrats are prepared to see the process through to their desired outcome.

Ms. Lofgren said “the American people deserve to know who actually won this election,” as if the outcome had not already been certified by a 5-0 vote of Iowa’s state elections board composed of three Republicans and two Democrats. The precursor to the Committee on House Administration had held that results are “presumed to be correct until they are impeached by proof of irregularity and fraud.”

But now the committee seems intent on a third count of ballots, this time with Democrats in Washington making the rules. It asked the two parties to list any ballots they think should have been included or excluded. That invites Ms. Hart’s lawyers to introduce more ballot claims they think will favor their side, and forces Ms. Miller-Meeks to do the same though she is already a legally elected Representative.

The party is on the precipice of creating a precedent, for the first time in a generation, that a partisan majority in Congress can disregard state officials and redo a close election count according to its own preferences. 

Democrats want Republicans to honor the count but cannot do the same in an election already certified 5-0 twice. 

Mish

Comments (42)
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WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf

Man, do I love seeing the Demopublicans fighting with the Republicrats - as if there's a warm cup of spit difference between the two .....

JonSellers
JonSellers

The House has no ability to overturn an election. This is all just posturing.

PostCambrian
PostCambrian

Republicans have a long history of voter repression however unless there is extremely good proof that there was some egregious failure to count legally cast votes (I don't know why the votes were rejected) then the seat should go to the Republican. It is very bad PR for the Democrats who seem to have more of their party who actually care about right and wrong than the Republicans. This action won't affect the voters that align with their own party no matter what but it will bother those Democrats who care about the legal process and most likely push them towards a third party candidate. And right now a vote for a third party candidate is essentially a vote against the party that you are leaving. They should consider the election results final, use it as an example of their commitment to democracy, and win the seat back in two years.

This also shows that there needs to be explicit rules on how to count ballots in federal elections regarding almost every conceivable possibility (slight signature mismatch, slightly wrong address [I actually have two zip codes], stray marks on ballot, etc.) BEFORE the next election. Any new rule interpretations AFTER the election always appear to be made to favor one side or the other (depending on which side you are on).

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Republican scumbags at it again, claiming “quality of votes” is important meaning dome people are more equal than others. Care to guess who republicans think whose votes should matter and whose should not.

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Nodak1
Nodak1

Scum bags ?

They are all SCUM BAGS

Do not be one more of the

Dillusional folks who thinks

The

red team / blue team

Works for the people anymore

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Point out where I have endorsed any team at all...stop your binary thinking.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer

Which party attacked the Capitol ?

caradoc-again
caradoc-again

Beyond me why anyone would want to be in the driving seat of the coming mega car crash.

Doug78
Doug78

Perhaps someone here could tell me what type of voting system they would like to have and talk about specifics and not generalisations. I might be asking too much but what the Hell.

Tengen
Tengen

Kindergarten teachers everywhere should use the two parties as bogeymen for the kids, permanent examples of how not to act in society.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T

Just more polarization and more bickering.....as far into the future as I can see. Why should the Democrats behave in an ethical superior way to Republicans? They’re both part of the same oligarchy, just looking to carve up the same pork in different ways.

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher

@Qaunta You are clearly deranged or a Troll. No reasonable thinking person could read what I typed as hate, so I assume you are a Troll. I expressed no hate for liberals only disgust with Democrat leaders' hypocrisy. I certainly never expressed hate for Obama.
Your comments about religion and abortion indicate you must be borderline personality, which is supported by your clearly expressed hate for Bush and Trump.
Why any reasonable site would allow you to type and print such garbage is beyond me. Hide safely behind your anonymity because no one with courage or honesty would type such self serving tripe.

FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher

Again you missed my point.

  1. Private corporations do not provide those services.
  2. You are correct the Federal Government is not a private enterprise nor was it established to take care of people.
  3. The government was formed for the defense of the country. The founders and most people today do not want the government to manage things for them. Kings did that many years ago and not well. People wanted the freedom to choose religion, choose to say what they thought openly and freely (freedom of speech), freedom to be left alone. The government was founded to defend the country, to make and enforce laws for the health and welfare of citizens. I don't want the government to take care of me.
  4. You chose to live in California. There are pros and cons to living in that state. Why should U.S. citizens support the expensive lifestyle that Californian's choose to live in. Real estate is expensive in California, but much less expensive in many areas of the country. California Government has many regulations and excessive taxes that also raise the cost of living. If you cannot afford to live and raise children in California that is your problem, not every other American who lives in states in less taxes, less expensive real estate, less expensive energy.
  5. You complain about the Capitalist elite. The United States was the first country in the world to provide public education for everyone. Public K-12 education is free to all American children. People who choose to send their children to private schools must still pay the taxes for public education, usually in the form of real estate taxes. That freedom of choice means they must pay without subsidy for their private school. Yet, the school system in many large cities is underperforming even though the U.S. has the highest cost per capita education costs. The Republicans wanted to serve people with vouchers so they could choose to send their children to any school, public or private. The Democrats and Teachers Unions fought and continue to fight against that. Who does that hurt? The poor and lower income inner city children who must attend the poorly performing public school .
    That is not a rich vs poor. That is politics and control. The teachers union wants to have the power and control as do the Democrats they support so they agree to provide votes and support the Democrats and the Democrats agree to kill school choice. Seems to me if you support CHOICE that you would support educational choice also.
  6. You can complain about the rich all you want. That will never change anything. The wealthy from the beginning of time across the globe always have better access to everything. The U.S. didn't create that. Just the opposite. The U.S. was formed so people had the opportunity to do better for themselves. The system may not be perfect, but it is certainly better than the monarchies we had prior.
  7. You have problems in life. Join the human race. we all do. If you don't like your situation then do something to chnage it, but don't look to the government to do it for you. Expecting the government to take care of things for you has always led to bad outcomes. Read some history. If you think homogenic societies like the Nordic countries have done a better job with some of their socialist policies, I suggest you ask them how it is going now that their societies are increasingly less
    homogenic.
  8. The U.S. was formed as a Constitutional Republic so citizens were free to do as they pleased within reason without government interference. If you want the government to take care of you and your children for 2 years then you are living in the wrong country. Most U.S. citizens do not support that and most likely never will.
    Sounds like you should consider moving to another state and half your problems will go away. By the way I raised two children and I experienced the costs and still do provide support at times even as they are adults. That is a choice I made, at a cost that I would make again.
    I also had the choice over 35 years ago to move to California. I would have made much more money, but I chose to stay in Florida because the house I owned in the location I chose would have cost 5 times more in California, at that time. Now the difference would be 10X if not more. I am certainly not rich, but I made choices for myself and my family that I could afford.
FloridaWatcher
FloridaWatcher

I don't care what a Federal agency says is the value of a human life. I am saying it is not my responsibility to pay for the choices others make. Anyway I am well familiar with how government agencies and the consultants they hire put value on everything. That is how governments justify paying $100s of Millions for sports stadiums because they multiply the value of the jobs to mind boggling numbers. I've seen too many justifications like that in my life to be convinced they have nay merit.
That is the BS you are buying from political elites.
No one had to tell me that the government paying for people's lifestyle choices is unsustainable. It is easy to determine for yourself. The vast majority of taxes are paid by the sinking middle class in this country. Every time you want a new government subsidy the middle class will be taxed. Tax the rich? You can tax the wealthy in this country at 70% which we once did and you will never collect enough to support the government, let alone the subsidized programs such as two years paid leave you support. More taxes hurt the middle class. Kill you middle class as we are doing in the U.S. and you will do irreparable damage to the country.
Don't talk to me in platitudes about Oligarchs - which are really a Communist term and experience. Take responsibility and understand the choices you make have consequences.
You live in CA. 10% State income tax plus all the other ridiculous fees you pay that are hidden taxes for living in the Golden State. Your real estate and sales taxes are high also.
I live in Florida with no state income taxes. We have high real estate taxes and middle of the road sales taxes to make up for no income tax.
You complain about the rich and the taxes and the cost of living in CA. and yet you want more government subsidies believing that is the way out. Those government subsidies come from taxes, taxes I am not willing to pay. You experience the cost of living in CA every day and ask for more. Maybe think about what you want as a priority because you cant have it all, No person, No Family, No Business small or large and certainly no country.
Time for you to do some thinking about your choices and take action. Like an adult its time to quit blaming as well as expecting others including the government to do it for you.
Good luck in all sincerity.

Rippletum
Rippletum

If the shoe was on the other foot and there was a Republican controlled House then the Republicans would elect the Republican.

amigator
amigator

Hey Mish no post on the WaPo retracting their story on Trumps call to jawjaw's secretary of state's offices?

Unbelievable.

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