The Case “For” Simplified
- For Trump: He is not Joe Biden
- For Biden: He is not Trump
- For Neither: The USA Deserves Better and Needs Better
OK we can add a few things.
Trump made a couple of decent Supreme Court picks, but many would disagree. He did not start any new wars.
Biden will not be as divisive as Trump, on anything. He pledged to accept the treaty with Iran. I am strongly in favor of that, but many aren’t.
The Case Against Trump
- Trump’s trade policy is a disaster and the disaster will continue.
- Trump proved beyond a shadow of a doubt trade war are neither good nor easy to win.
- USMCA is marginally worse than NAFTA. Trump made zero deals of merit.
- Trump is the biggest narcissist ever.
- Trump is willing to trade security for soybeans with China
- Trump is willing to trade voting security for Congressional votes on Covid.
- Trump belittles friend and foe and allies anytime anyone disagrees with him.
- Trump is willing to use racial or ethnic slurs, for example calling Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas”.
- Trump is being investigated for tax fraud and the charge is easy to believe.
- Trump did not start any new wars but he did not get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, or Cuba.
- Trump shifted troops to Poland instead of bringing them home.
- Trump has praise for dictators like Kim Jong Un in North Korea and Putin in Russia.
- Trump’s budget deficit is out of control and was even before Covid hit.
- Trump requested and received ridiculous amounts of military spending.
- Trump-sponsored tax cuts that primarily benefited the wealthy.
- Trump’s administrative sleaze and rolling staff appointments are unprecedented.
- Trump’s handling of Covid was abysmal.
The Case Against Biden
- Biden is likely to bail out the states.
- Biden will be beholden to public unions who wrecked states like Illinois, New Jersey, and California.
- It is highly unlikely Biden will last a full term.
- Kamala Harris is further Left than Biden on many issues.
- More taxes
- Higher taxes
- Biden sponsored bills that put more blacks in prison for the benefit of public union prison guards, much if not most of it pot charges.
- Seriously, what has he ever done?
Overwhelming Case
I am quite sure I have left off numerous “against” points for both candidates.
All things considered, we have an overwhelming case for neither.
Mish
It is really not between Trump and Biden, it is between Trump and Harris. Everyone knows Biden is vegetating quickly. They are just using him as a prop, because Harris in un-electable, but they think they can pull a fast one on the American public.
Without LP candidate Jo Jorgensen in this discussion, it’s just weak soup.
The way I see it, it’s a win-win for Republicans. If Trump wins, they get to enjoy seeing the left and the media sulk, squirm and fume for four more looong years. If Biden wins, well he gets to preside over the worst economy since the Great Depression and that should pave the way for an “I told you so” Trump to re-take the White house in 2024.
Mish listed many things he does not like about either candidate, of which many are false in the case against Trump. For example, he thinks Trump is more devisive. Fact is, Biden and the dems are much more devisive. Any objective thinker can see the repubs are much more willing to go along with the dems than visa-versa. Mish correctly pointed out that Biden has basically done nothing positive in his long political record, while Trump has many positives to his credit in his short career. Mish ignored that: very biased.
The article below illustrates why Kamala Harris must be exposed for who she really is. Someone who is willing to fabricate and misrepresent to create her agenda. Which is to make it appear she is for the people. What an out and out lie which this article exposes,…
Trump a 3rd rate conspiracy theorist intellect and the most corrupt self dealing president EVER. Add to that he’s a walkin’ talkin’ felony for the last several decdes.
Biden will likely fail to make significant changes because like both Dems and Repubs he’s either ignorant of complicit with the private banks who dominate everyone and every business model other than Banks/Finance with their monopolistic monetary paradigm of Debt Only. If you want to see how we can end transfer taxes, cut personal and corporate taxation by 3/4, end inflation and reverse the erosion of individual purchasing power we’ve suffered since the 70’s then go to Google and search Wisdomics-Gracenomics. It’s the libertarian’s wet dream made a reality.
We’ve been bailing out every bad company with the fed buying their bad debt. Seems unfair to let local school districts and muni employees take the hit now.
Let’s ask their wives: Do you love and respect your husband, or do you f-ing despise the shallow lying a-hole? Melania, you go first…
The case for neither is solid. Jo Jorgensen address criminal justice reform, a true understanding of the limitations of the executive office. It’s too important to give my vote to those who have not earned it with horrific records. #ShesWithUs #LetHerSpeak link to jo20.com
#9 against Biden is that too many on the left have lost their mind.
Vote Jo Jorgensen.
Trump is such a liar that he makes old fashioned politicians look good again.
No sarc off here. Serious.
Policies can be an after thought.
First, we need of a leader with some moral character.
‘I am quite sure I have left off numerous “against” points for both candidates.
All things considered, we have an overwhelming case for neither.’
Yes. Though not historically unique, there is one disqualifying quality they both share. Their grasp and understanding of most issues is less than that of any serious Junior High student, who can at least be expected to improve on the job.
I notice the cons for president Trump were about style and not substance.
Besides maybe two cons about Trump’s style, the rest of the list is about his bad policy and execution.
Lesser of two evils or the evil of two lessers?
I suggest that people try the poll at http://www.isidewith.com
That will tell you if you really back Biden, or really back Trump, or perhaps should seriously consider one of the third party candidates. There is no reason the choice needs to always be binary. In Europe it is not uncommon for parties to have to form coalitions.
You have hit on an issue that is very much at the heart of the problem…but the truth is that in OUR system…..it is in no way easy to form coalitions made up of parties outside the two big powerful parties that have captured our system. Some would say impossible.
Certain smart people are even now calling for a US coalition 3rd party…a Unity Party they’re calling it…but it will never get enough traction to achieve the worthwhile ends they have in mind.
Third party candidates in America have, in modern history, only been able to influence elections…..and not ever win. And the main thing that serious 3rd party candidates do is to steal votes from the lesser of the evils.
American politics could be better No doubt . Many decent ideas have been suggested to improve it….but the system is captured……nobody who is in power (or very , very few) will vote for the things that would make the system function better.
Term limits…..defeated over and over.
Limiting corporate money in campaign finance. That one has gotten way worse, not better.
I have a friend who wrote a book suggesting that ALL Americians should be required to serve in political office as part of citizenship…take their turn in the decision-making process and then go back home…pass it on to the next group of ordinary citizens….a fine idea, in my view.
Instead we have an entrenched political class beholden to a corporate class…..and corporations are by design ammoral and dedicated only to profit.
RE: “nobody who is in power (or very , very few) will vote for the things that would make the system function better.”
I think you are using “better” as in better for the American people. But the people in power, those operating within and maintaining the status quo of the “system” only care about themselves and for that purpose and for that reason the “system” is functioning very well for them.
So any attempt of a third party at making the “system” better is actually viewed by the “system” as an attempt to weaken it or destroy it. So the “system” itself is designed to only allow those willing to support the “system” to participate.
RE: “Instead we have an entrenched political class beholden to a corporate class…..and corporations are by design amoral and dedicated only to profit.”
And with that you have identified the true identity/nature of the “system” … it is corporatism … and most people here are aware of the very long reach of the “tentacles” of the world’s “vampire squid” …
I predict that come Nov 3,…people will either enter a voting booth or do their mail-in,…they write in Bernie Sanders and cast their vote for him.
When the tabs are counted,…
Bernie Sanders will be POTUS. He got the peoples vote.
Wouldn’t that be a mind f*ck.
No, that would be a F.U. America. FIFY
Heads you lose, tails you lose, too. That’s my bet.
The US overthrew a democratically elected president in Iran and replaced that person with a Shah US puppet. They have every reason to still be angry with us.
The US supports one of the largest terrorist nations in the world, Saudi Arabia. The US is of course #1.
All of our allies, the UN, and even US military said Iran was honoring the treaty.
Trump’s idiotic go it alone policy just drove Iran into the hands of China.
Those are the facts
Those are historic facts. However, strategically, Biden is the worse choice. He might try to stir up the Russia file, which has more dangerous angles than even the Iran file.
Yes we meddled in Iran, Yes Iran was honoring the treaty. But Iran is still a terrorist nation. Just examine their role in Lebanon
That’s a fine nexus between reps and dems, just typing in “Israel” would have been more informative to readers though.
America stands united, happens to be on another continent but/so few will notice.
Iran and Israel formerly had very good relations. Israel even supported Iran in its war against Iraq. Still not 100% clear why the relationship deteriorated. This piece gives some history
That does not justify US behavior. As a country we should take the high road, and not be the bully of the world.
I agree Mish on all accounts. Trump has really blundered here.
The major issue of this election does not boil down to which candidate you like the most, it is a referendum on whether or not you want the USA to become a socialist/communist state. The Democrats have simply stopped believing in the concept of personal autonomy and sovereignty and adopted a full blown socialist agenda. They are pushing for complete state control over every aspect of your lives and to the return of a feudal system. The results of these policies can be clearly witnessed in the Democratic run cities and states in which chaos and failure are now the normal environment. The Democrats support for the domestic terror perpetrated by BLM and Antifa show that Democrats prefer boarded up businesses, mass violence, and mob rule over the previous peace and prosperity we have enjoyed in the past.
Mish should be honored to have a full-time flacker for Trump assigned to him–@FactsonJoe–sign of big thing on the netweeby-innertubes!
Joined today, welcome! After all in a blog about the economy, content is cash–for someone.
But rattling on about demon Biden will become tiresome.
I am a long time reader.
The comments cheering for Biden seemed so inauthentic and intended to mislead Mish that I decided to provide some balance.
I could NOT care less about Trump the person, I just hope USA keeps tight immigration policies because European leaders copy USA so because Obama was all about ILLEGAL immigrants and refugees Merkel did what she did in 2015 and invited and allowed millions to come to Europe.
If Joe Biden is elected and gives the amnesty and US citizenship to all ILLEGAL immigrants in USA that he has promised this leads to 29.5 million new Americans (MIT-Yale study on numbers of ILLEGAL immigrants in USA) and tens of millions new ILLEGAL immigrants coming to USA to wait for the next amnesty and this crashes wages and steals tens of millions more jobs and if EU/Europe copies these policies led by Merkel than Europe will get tens of millions people coming too.
The handle you have chosen seems very one-dimensional. It also doesn’t seem from your posts that you are familiar with libertarian views on immigration. I suggest you read Jo Jorgensen’s immigration policy views. America is a nation of immigrants, My ancestors emigrated on the Mayflower, and they are no different to people trying to immigrate to the US today. While I don’t think in today’s age we should have open borders, and agree that EU policies caused significant problems, I do support policies that are favorable to legal immigration, and that address the illegal population in a fair and humane way, including path to citizenship. I don’t believe immigrants steal jobs – instead they add to the economy and to jobs, and to the cultural richness of the country. This is something to be celebrated, not demonized and used as a tool for populist hate.
ILLEGAL Immigrants steal jobs and lower wages and low educated low wage legal immigrants also lower wages.
Lowering of wages is the reason billionaires want immigration.
Your ancestors emigrated on the Mayflower to a country where they would starve and die unless they worked and today’s immigrants move to a country with SNAP-EBT food stamps, Section-8 housing, state welfare, federal tax credits, medicare and medicaid etc.
Immigration is used to keep the ponzi going and increase the debt levels for a few more years.
The wage lowering effect of immigration should have crashed consumption and company profits but this has been papered over with increased debt so the eventual crash gets bigger all the time.
Ah now I understand your post after reading all FactsonJoe’s posts in this string. Yowser!
Illegal immigrants happily do the jobs that most Americans would ordinarily shun.
Americans would NOT shun those jobs if they paid 20 dollars an hour.
The whole claim that “immigrants do jobs that Americans just wont do” is a LIE and behind that lie billionaires flood USA with ILLEGAL immigrants and low wage legal immigrants to lower wages in jobs Americans were doing and move those jobs on the column of “jobs Americans just will not do” by LOWERING WAGES in those jobs.
STOP legal low wage immigration and ILLEGAL immigration and let markets work and once there are no immigrants willing to do an exhausting manual job for 7-8 dollars an hour the wage will rise until it finds willing American workers at 20 dollars an hour.
I really would prefer a candidate no older than 60 or 65. But one party has now disqualified itself by it’s support for the naked emperor and his endless incapacity. Anything and everything is permitted now because of “the special powers of the president”.
……[Fox’s] Hannity chose this life, so no one felt sorry for him, but the stress took its toll. “Hannity would tell you, off-off-off the record, that Trump is a batshit crazy person,” one of his associates said. Another friend concurred: “Hannity has said to me more than once, ‘he’s crazy.’”
But Hannity’s commitment to GOP priorities and to his own business model meant he could never say any of this publicly. If one of his friends went on the record quoting Hannity questioning Trump’s mental fitness, that would be the end of the friendship….
The anonymous friends making revelations are as credible as the Qanon kooks.
The newest media strategy is to get Trump to turn on his media supporters and further isolate Trump.
ANYONE wanting that job now must be batshit crazy. Biden, Trump et all, all of them.
The easy game is up.
American voters will have to choose between Donald Trump and Joe Biden to be our next President. It could be said many voters are not jumping with joy.
Both of these men are old. Biden sports signs of dementia and has been accused of corruption. Trump is considered divisive and not as truthful as many people would like. The article below argues are flawed presidential election process is responsible for giving America such poor choices.
The claim biden has dementia is a fabrication of the Trump campaign. Trump has had many senior moments and gaffes and is prone to fits of rage
Watching Joe Biden once leads 90% people to think Joe Biden has dementia.
That is why Democrats allow no questions from media most of the time when Joe Biden is somewhere speaking.
They are not the only choices, nor the best choices. Vote Jo Jorgensen for a real choice. She not only has better policy, she is much younger.
Jo Jorgensen wants to massively INCREASE immigration to USA.
Anybody voting for Jorgensen apparently thinks Joe Biden’s promise of amnesty and US citizenship to all ILLEGAL immigrants in the USA is not enough.
There are 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants in the USA according to MIT-Yale study so if Joe Biden is elected USA will be under Democrat control for the next 200 years after Biden gives the amnesty he has promised.
There will be three candidates on every single ballot. Stop perpetuating lies to feed your desired narrative.
Agreed.
I’m not sure your reply was intended for me. Nevertheless, most states will have 4 people on the ballot, including Biden, Trump, Jorgensen, and Hawkins. Some states may have less, as Jorgensen and Hawkins are still trying to get on all the ballots in all the states.
As of 8/5, Jorgensen has qualified to be on the ballot in 42 states:
Hawkins appears to be about the same, with 14 states his is still trying to get on the ballot:
Claims that Biden has dementia are weak sauce. He has a severe stutter that he has had to work with and around his whole life. Maybe that is harder to do in advanced age.
“More taxes
Higher taxes”
…
Absolutely.
The top 20% has continually been bailed via fiscal / monetary policy … at the expense of the bottom 80%.
Let them start paying for some of THEIR welfare. Or, if they don’t want to pay more in taxes, fine. Let Federal Reserve / Treasury stand idly by at next risk off event. I would enjoy watching their portfolios crumble.
Joe Biden has promised amnesty and US citizenship to all ILLEGAL immigrants in USA.
There were 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants in USA in 2018 according to a MIT-Yale study.
This means 29.5 million new users of Medicare/Medicaid, Section-8 housing, SNAP-EBT foodstamps, state welfare systems, federal tax credits etc. all leading to more debt for government or cuts in those programs.
The amnesty will attract tens of millions new ILLEGAL immigrants to USA to wait for the next amnesty and this will lead to tens of millions jobs stolen from Americans and lower wages for all working class Americans.
The huge rush of ILLEGAL immigrants in the 1990’s was caused by the 1986 Reagan amnesty that gave US citizenship to millions of ILLEGAL immigrants.
The one issue Trump was most right on was stopping ILLEGAL immigration.
The only problem is that he has built just about 200 miles of the border wall when border with Mexico is 1950+ miles because Trump was a lazy and incompetent doofus the first two years while Republicans had house and Senate and allowed himself to be sweet-talked and ass.kissed by Paul Ryan to try to get rid of Obamacare without any plan to replace it and give Ryan’s career the achievement of huge tax cuts that mostly benefited the wealthy although normal people got some tax breaks too like raise in the child tax credit from 1000 dollars per child to 2000 dollars per child.
Trump should have started returning everybody coming through Mexico to USA back to Mexico and refuse to take their asylum applications because Attorney General has power to act this way without judicial review under existing law so USA should be taking ZERO illegal immigrants and ZERO asylum seekers and just return them all to Mexico since Mexico is a SAFE enough country and according to Geneva Convention asylum applications need to be taken ONLY when asylum seekers come DIRECTLY from the country they are persecuted or claim to be persecuted and this is likely based on known facts.
Sessions was out of his depth as AG since he started the stupid kids in cages policy to separate parents and children (with the cages built by Obama admin to stop the 2013-2014 rush of unaccompanied children Obama admin caused by changing family unification policy) to stop ILLEGAL immigrants coming with kids to use the Flores decision to get released into USA when Sessions could have under 8 U.S. Code § 1158 just have STARTED RETURNING EVERYBODY to MEXICO and NOT take one single asylum application.
8 U.S. Code § 1158:
“(a)Authority to apply for asylum
(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
(2)Exceptions
(A)Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.
(B)Time limit
Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien unless the alien demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the application has been filed within 1 year after the date of the alien’s arrival in the United States.
(C)Previous asylum applications
Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the alien has previously applied for asylum and had such application denied.
(D)Changed circumstances
An application for asylum of an alien may be considered, notwithstanding subparagraphs (B) and (C), if the alien demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Attorney General either the existence of changed circumstances which materially affect the applicant’s eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing an application within the period specified in subparagraph (B).
(E)Applicability
Subparagraphs (A) and (B) shall not apply to an unaccompanied alien child (as defined in section 279(g) of title 6).
(3)Limitation on judicial review
No court shall have jurisdiction to review any determination of the Attorney General under paragraph (2).”
Geneva convention is a multilateral agreement so Trump and Trump’s AG (Sessions/Whitaker/Barr) could have started returning everyone back to Mexico WITHOUT JUDICIAL REVIEW of the decision OR Trump could have demanded Mexico sign same deal with USA as USA has with Canada where first country will handle asylum process which would make Mexico handle 100% of the people’s asylum process that come through Mexico to USA but Trump did NOT demand this and got just some promises Mexico would guard their southern border better (occasional news about Mexican troops tear-gassing and beating migrants to stop them coming) and put some thousands of Mexican troops to US border to stop ILLEGAL immigrants before they reach USA.
If USA started returning EVERYBODY to Mexico this would make Mexico close their southern border better than they have done after Trump gave Mexico still quite beneficial terms in USMCA not much better than NAFTA from the viewpoint of USA.
If Joe Biden gets elected it is the end of USA and Republicans will NEVER again have presidency or majority in house or Senate after the Biden amnesty and because Europe always copies USA (Merkel was effected by Obama to allow the millions to come in 2015) it will be the end of Europe as well because Joe Biden’s plans are unfathomably insane and Merkel will most likely copy them before leaving Europe in ruins.
Democrats also plan to either abolish ICE totally or make whole of USA a SANCTUARY so deportations will crash leading to even more gang members and criminal ILLEGAL immigrants being returned to the streets instead of being DEPORTED.
The Democrat controlled SANCTUARY states and cities releasing ILLEGAL immigrant criminals and gang members back to the streets are bad but under Joe Biden USA would be a SANCTUARY country.
If you do NOT vote or you vote for Joe Biden you will be responsible for the destruction of USA.
Also Joe Biden wants to RE-DIRECT police funding which is a roundabout way saying that Joe Biden wants to DEFUND the police which means more crimes will go unsolved which will lead to more crimes happening and more riots and looting by Antifa and BLM’s self-admitted Marxists.
Vote Trump even though he is a boorish self-obsessed idiot who has NOT done enough in his first term like make the choices described above or sign an executive order making e-Verify mandatory for ALL jobs in USA which would have led to self-deportations since no work means no way to stay.
Also birthright citizenship for children of ILLEGAL immigrants could have been stopped with an executive order since when a person is ILLEGALLY in USA it is clear their DOMICILE is NOT in USA and therefore the leftists bureaucrats way of granting birthright citizenship to children of ILLEGAL immigrants starting from the Reagan presidency is ILLEGAL and should have been stopped.
There is NO other country in the world that gives citizenships to babies born to ILLEGAL immigrants.
Birthright citizenship was meant and should be given to babies born to LEGAL permanent residents whose DOMICILE is clearly in the USA.
Portland, Chicago, Seattle, etc. are inexcusable. At least Trump did not say everyone in Charlottsville were good people, a la Obama and the silent Biden and Democrat party on these cities.
Charlottesville was inexcusable. Damage can’t be repaired. Only gotten worse since. And I was not impressed before
You must only watch CNN and MSNBC who lie about Trump non-stop and who have lied for YEARS that Trump did NOT condemn white supremacists and media has NOT played the clips of Trump condemning white supremacists REPEATEDLY and instead played the “good people on both sides” clip where Trump was speaking about people who wanted to keep the statue and people who wanted to remove the statue.
Media’s LIE that Trump was speaking about White Supremecists in the “good people on both sides” clip is outrageous since in the same press conference Trump had CLEARLY CONDEMNED White Supremacists BEFORE getting a question about the statue and responding to that.
From factCheck dot ORG:
FACTCHECK POSTS
Trump Has Condemned White Supremacists
By Robert Farley
Posted on February 11, 2020
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Former Vice President Joe Biden wrongly claimed President Donald Trump has “yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis.”
Trump drew criticism for his condemnation of “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides” after a rally organized by a white nationalist in Charlottesville in 2017, and for saying there were “very fine people on both sides.” But, contrary to Biden’s claim, the president twice specifically condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and he has repeated that condemnation since.
On ABC’s “This Week,” Biden was asked what the consequences would be of a Trump victory in 2020. Biden responded that Trump would “go on dividing us based on race.”
Biden, Feb. 9: George, I, honest to God believe, they’re going to change the nature of who we are for a long, long time. Our children are listening. The idea — the man who can belittle people, go on dividing us based on race, religion, ethnicity, based on all the things that, in fact, make up America is just incredibly divisive. You see these white supremacists coming out from under the rocks. He’s yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis. He hasn’t condemned a darn thing. He has given them oxygen. And that’s what’s going to continue to happen. That’s who this guy is. He has no basic American values — he doesn’t understand the American code.
Biden has said that Trump’s comments in the aftermath of the Charlottesville rally convinced him to run for president. In a video announcing his candidacy, Biden said Trump’s “very fine people on both sides” comment “assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it” and “shocked the conscience of the nation.”
Trump has said his “very fine people” comment referred not to white supremacists and neo-Nazis but to “people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee — a great general, whether you like it or not.” Some have argued that explanation doesn’t hold up, because Trump referred in that statement to a protest “the night before” when — it was widely reported — white nationalists burned tiki torches and chanted anti-Semitic and white nationalist slogans. We’ll leave it to readers to make up their minds on Trump’s remarks, but Biden’s comment that Trump has “yet once to condemn white supremacy” is not accurate.
Let’s revisit Trump’s comments in the days after the Charlottesville rally. That rally turned violent, and one person, Heather Heyer, was killed and many others injured, when a man with a history of making racist comments plowed his car into a group of counterprotesters.
The day of that incident Trump said, “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. On many sides.” Trump said he had spoken to Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, and “we agreed that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true affection — really — and I say this so strongly — true affection for each other.”
Two days later, on Aug. 14, 2017, Trump issued a statement from the White House, and referred to “KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.
And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.
Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.
During a press conference the following day, Aug. 15, 2017, Trump explained his initial “many sides” comment.
“You had a group on one side that was bad,” Trump said. “And you had a group on the other side that was also very violent.” He added, “I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.”
Here’s the relevant portion when the president said some in the group protesting the removal of the Lee statue were “very fine people”:
Reporter, Aug. 15, 2017: You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides …
Trump: Well, I do think there’s blame – yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.
Reporter: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville. …
Trump: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo — and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. …
It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
Reporter: I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? …
Trump: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story.
So, contrary to Biden’s claim that Trump has “yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis,” in the course of two days, Trump did it twice.
Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
Trump, Aug. 15, 2017: I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.
Nor was that the last time Trump condemned white supremacy by name.
After nearly two dozen people were killed on Aug. 3, 2019, in a shooting at a Wal-Mart in El Paso, Trump said: “The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, and white supremacy. These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart, and devours the soul. We have asked the FBI to identify all further resources they need to investigate and disrupt hate crimes and domestic terrorism — whatever they need.”
Biden said that since Trump took office, “You see these white supremacists coming out from under the rocks.” Last March, we looked into that issue, and experts told us there are a number of indicators that suggest white nationalism and white supremacy — and violence inspired by them — are on the rise, in the U.S. and around the world.
It’s Biden’s opinion that Trump’s comments have “given them oxygen,” as he said. But Biden went too far when he said Trump has “yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis. He hasn’t condemned a darn thing.” He has, although perhaps not as often or as quickly as Biden would like.
Take your copy paste BS elsewhere, ya kook.
Sechel and Zardoz the Joe Biden fan club trying to control Mish’s positions is actually a quite funny thing to watch.
What is your position in the Democrat party or do you work as consultants for Democrats?
“Charlottesville was inexcusable.”
The lie by leftists, about what Trump said about Charlottesville, was inexcusable.
Sechel,
Trump has failed, but repeating obvious lies about him only encourages his supporters to dig in and assume other legitimate attacks on Trump are also “Fake News.”
In context, Trump condemend white supremacists twice in that interview and clearly was talking about people who wanted the statue up for history and heritage when he made the good people on both sides comment.
P.S. I dont like the statues, but there are good people on the other side of that issue too.
Trump can still pull it out,remember obama got reelected in a really weak,pretty much dead economy,so there’s still hope for Trump.Problem is Trump crashes and burns,he’ll take the entire Republicon party down like the Hindenburg with him!
Trump approval is 51% and has risen several percentage points recently according to Rasmussen.
Trump is doing better than Obama at the same moment and Mitt Romney was a weak and broken greedy wallstreeter with no morals who had awful debate performances but still better performer than Joe Biden who is a confused nursing home patient with Dementia and insane policy promises like shutting the whole country down to stop Covid and giving amnesty and US citizenship to all ILLEGAL immigrants and Re-directing (aka DEFUNDING) money from police.
Rasmussen polls are a known joke
trump needs to go. Failure should not be rewarded.
The American political system constantly rewards failure. You’re asking for a momentous change.
There’s no case for Trump.
Trump is an enemy of American Democracy and a friend of autocrats and dictators, particularly Putin.
He is the most transparently corrupt POTUS in at least 50 years and surrounds himself with criminals that he chooses to hire.
You should try watching something other than CNN and MSNBC all the time.
Obama admin was corrupt as hell with Hillary Clinton and Obama allowing Russia to purchase American uranium mines and deposits and Clinton Foundation getting hundreds of millions in donations from the people and companies who made fortunes on the sale of Uranium One to Russia.
Hunter Biden getting 80k a month on Burisma’s board and then admitting he went to Norway fishing one time and that was it for his Burisma work and Hunter admitted on the same Nymag interview he spent rest of the time doing drugs in USA and also got a stripper pregnant.
While Joe Biden is caught on the Ukraine leaks tapes scheming with Poroshenko on who Ukraine picks for thier prosecutors and ministers and Joe saying proudly on a conference panel he got the Ukraine prosecutor fired that was investigating Burisma corruption.
Also Hunter Biden getting 1500 million from Bank of China after flying to China with joe Biden on Air Force two is hard to top.
Obama gave huge federal government contracts and funds while president to the publisher that later gave Obama a huge payday on his memoirs and also published Michelle’s book and many Obama admistration officials books like Comey’s blather.
Biden is guilty of quid pro quo. There are recordings of phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko, which prove it.
Comey obstructed justice to prevent Hillary from being indicted.
Further to the case against Biden:
1. More wars in the Middle East.
2. More exporting jobs overseas.
3. Related – increasing opioid addiction epidemic..
4. More unprosecuted financial fraud, even for money laundering for terrorists and drug lords.
5. More identity politics.
6. Related: More affirmative action.
7. Related: More denial of crime statistcs by race. And so nothing gets better.
8. Related: More denial of obesity statistics by race. And so nothing gets better.
I know that in many people’s minds, to criticize Biden means you are pro-Trump. But I just wish we had better choices.
In a two party system where either Trump or Biden wins, a vote for neither is a vote the winner that could have been cast for the loser. Harden the fuck up and smell the roses. One is worse than other. To me that’s an easy call. The Democratic Party has gone full socialist and Biden is an empty shell to riddled with dementia. Handlers will be in charge, implementing the Sanders socialist platform.
Trump and the Republicans have proven that MMT works!
When it all comes down people will disassociate it away from MMT
Trump doesn’t act legally or respect our institutions. Biden does. Trump puts his own his interests above the nation’s . Disagreement over policy I can handle.
There isn’t that much disagreement over policy. Spend, spend, spend. Vote for Jorgensen, for a policy that is different.
In other words, Biden supports the existence of the trough he has been feeding at for 50 years, the system that made him (and other career politicians) a multimillionaire.
Summarized Trump is not capable of governing or respecting the framework of our democracy while Biden has policies you don’t agree with. It’s a false moral equivalency to compare Trump and Biden.
“Trump is not capable of governing or respecting the framework of our democracy “
Considering what “our” “democracy” has degenerated into, that’s a compliment. Too bad it’s not effectively all that true.
First rule of properly disrespecting the undifferentiated theft racket which is all which “our” “democracy” stands for these days (hint: in ain’t “ours”, it’s “theirs”, both Trump’s and Bidens…); is to tear up, with a raised middle finger, any and all Federal debt obligations. Just like that. Then turn all property of The Fed into gunnery ranges for budding militiamen.
Only after that, can serious work be contemplated.
You should make a list of “What tRump/Biden has destroyed”: tRump is the Destroyer-in-Chief of the USA and the whole world.
Would take all night….and that’s only what we know about….
For now. In a few months, he looks set to pass that torch to Biden.
“For Neither: The USA Deserves Better and Needs Better”
Just imagine what it means when a country of 330 million has to choose between these two.
I believe the real power of a citizen does not lie in the ability to vote but in the ability of NOT TO VOTE.
Choose neither till you get the right people (don’t ask me how we will know but then not choosing the wrong one because we have only two horrible choices would be a good start) on the ballot paper!
Problem is, a vote for “noone”, or for that matter even a vote for “neither”, is simply tossed out. Or, more accurately, simply stolen and effectively handed to those two.
Were the voting process not so singularly geared towards sustaining the swamp; if either “noone” or a simple absentee got a majority; government should simply be shut down the following January. Nukes sold to highest bidder, proceeds divvied up among Americans who could then move on to less singularly dysfunctional things.
And if “neither” got a majority, government would be temporarily shut down (perhaps keeping the nukes on ice this time), until some other, more agreeable, candidates could be brought to the fore.
But instead, both “neither” and “noone” votes are, just like all else in America these days, simply stolen and handed out to the connected swamp creatures noone would really want anything to do with, if they were free to truly choose.
There are real connotations to not voting though. When you are faced with another person of public service, you know that you had no voluntary part in placing them in whatever position they occupy. If they are a reasonable person, well it’s no big deal and they are doing a job which you might be obliged to fund (via tax), but they aren’t crossing you and that’s just how things are arranged by those out arranging. If they challenge you or assume over you, and you know they are more powerful than you, you like everyone else has to be pliant or evasive unless you want to make one final point. However you don’t have to live with the thought that you voluntarily took part in and gave credibiity to what placed them in that position. It has a real meaning in everyday encounter.
I prefer to have that conscience intact, sure others feel that one or another choice suits them, that is fine by me also. That is their compromise though. Later, when it comes to understanding what anyone in power is up to, if you have taken sides then your perceptions will be biased in relation, whether of rejection or of support. You will know that by voting and lending support to a system that what that system does will use you as its excuse, as its validity.
In short, I don’t cede that authority of on my behalf to others unless it is very specific.
If you want a third (or more) choice, the only way to get there is to start voting for third party candidates
Correct. Don’t play the this-candidate-sucks-but-look-at-the-other-guy game.
It is not about a third choice. It is about the 2 choices on offer. It cannot be a case of worse or more worse. Even when you have a third or more choice you are going to choose from the rotten apples not from the good ones based on if one apple is more rotten than the other.
Why choose one that is “worse” only because one would otherwise have to choose “more worse”. Whenever your choices are lousy, a no deal is better than a bad deal (like in this case you anyway are constrained to choose “worse” in this case). I also understand that this is wishful thinking but by choosing “worse” over “more worse” we will be endlessly having to cope with the “worse”.
Sickening but then that is how it is and is likely to continue if one does not use the power of “NO VOTE” to get ALL the rotten candidates off the ballot paper. Can you imagine the flap people will create when NO ROTTEN EGG CAN BE ELECTED? The game is up. We cannot get a change that we want (in action and not on speeches and banners) unless we outwit the bas***** who are outwitting us right now by saying “Hey, I am less rotten than him so vote for me.”
While this is besides the subject, we need term limits for any elected post (like President for senators, any elected body) so that you do not allow ras**** to create a fiefdom and lord it over us like kings for years together. These guys should learn to move on asap.
Stuki is right. The D and R candidates would rather have you stay home than vote for a third party. They are happy not to count your vote, and will just assume you don’t care about democracy.
You are absolutely right that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
It is not “about the 2 choices on offer” except for a mindless automaton. If you want to have a third choice, you have to help make that possible by voting your conscience.
Hmmm – Trump 17 to Biden 8 – seems to me there is a clear winner 🙂
Regarding points against Biden:
5&6 – In the current circumstances, a coherent fiscal policy and increased government spending is needed to help mitigate social and economic disruptions that are occurring. The various options with respect to funding spending increases all need to be explored by the new administration – higher taxes, printing money, borrowing.
Note that I respect many of the people who joined Trump’s team with the hope that they could make a difference. Now, I think it is time to join and support the Biden team, with the hope that we will make a difference.
Biden is feeble and seems demented with his rambling statements any time he is allowed to speak even a moment freely and is saying things like Arizona is a city.
Biden is tightly controlled and press is kept away and only friendly outlets are given pre-recorded interviews that are clearly edited to make the answers by Biden less confusing.
This has been happening since the Charlemagne “you ain’t black” train crash interview.
I really dislike the “What has he ever done” negative. Biden has been on the right side of history more often than not. Let’s not penalize people for experience or we will get what we have now: a disaster.
Biden has been in Washington DC for what 50 years?
Trump has been in Washington DC for what 4 years?
Simple arithmetic, no brainer here
And both have been living large off of wealth “The System” has stolen from more productive people, for 60…….
Rendering the possibility that either one is in any way capable of even recognizing what America’s problems stem from, much less doing anything about them, rather remote. Instead all we’ll get is more theft, more harassment and more uninterrupted decay.
Well i feel both parties suck. At this point dems less than rep for me. My hope is this is a turning point both parties will realize the middle is where we need to be and also actually solve problems. To hell with the far left and rt. Been pondering the last 20 we have been arguing the same topics. Abortion/gun control/ immigration. Havent really solved those problems now have we. Ill vote for whoever cuts corporate campaign finance and dark money. To me corporations should have rts of citizens when they can pick up an m16 and go fight for their country. Sorry this turned into a rant.
Yes, government is meant to be of the people, corporations aren’t people, yet corps own governments
I like option #3. But only after option #2.
Only one significant change is possible on 1/20/21 and that is the removal from office of Trump. After that, you have four years to work on more substantial change. Go for it. Voting 3rd party in this election or abstaining is impotent.
Everyone wants change today, but no one wants to put in the hard work. Voting is not due diligence — it is just one weak political option. Dedicate yourself to strengthening a 3rd party or forming a new one. Confront your representatives directly. If you don’t, it will be an endless series of false dichotomies.
USA will be controlled by Democrats for the next 200 years if Joe Biden is elected and gives the amnesty and US citizenship to all ILLEGAL immigrants he has promised.
There are about 30 million ILLEGAL immigrants in USA according to MIT-Yale study so that means 30 million new Democrat voters and 30 million new users of every free service and free welfare and tax credit and program like social security and medicare/medicaid.
You can’t eradicate cannibalism by eating the cannibals; there is no better analog for what voting is.
The voting booth should reconfigure the ballot lever to a dildo and require the Helots to use their mouths to make the selection of their next master, it also provides a keen preview of things to come for the voter.
“A ballot is just a substitute for a bullet. If your vote isn’t backed by a bullet, it is meaningless. Without the bullet, people could ignore the election outcome. Voting would be pointless. Democracy has violence at its very core!” ~Muir Matteson, “The Nonviolent Zone”
“Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves.” Herbert Marcuse
“Working within the system means to become a part of the system. When you go into the voting booth, the only meaningful significance that your action will have is to show that one more person supports the state”. ~Mark Davis
“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.” ~ Oscar Ameringer
“An election is a moral horror, as bad as a battle except for blood; a mud bath for every soul concerned in it.” ~ George Bernard Shaw
“If the right to vote were expanded to seven year olds … its policies would most definitely reflect the ‘legitimate concerns’ of children to have ‘adequate’ and ‘equal’ access to ‘free’ french fries, lemonade and videos.” ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe
“Grown men do not need leaders.” – Edward Abbey
A-fucking-men. Someone else who gets it.
Mencius Moldbug — “An election is a civil war where, instead of fighting, the soldiers are counted.”
Neither party is about to address the real issues…but the biggest case against Trump is not on your list….and that would be the things he hasn’t done yet, but might do, if he’s allowed to keep thumbing his nose at the rule of law and our political traditions…..some of which are worth hanging on to.
We certainly should be able to do better than either of these two clowns. They are artifacts of a failing system…but at this moment, Biden represents less of an immediate threat.
I think higher taxes are in the cards no matter who is elected. I think the real systemic problems we face are being ignored…but are not going away, and won’t be fixed by anybody. They aren’t even being discussed by politicians.
Like how do you keep an economic engine based on perpetual growth going when growth starts to stall out?
How do you keep even a modest social safety net going when most of the tax revenue gets wasted on debt service and the military…..and every government program is a scheme to enrich some political insider?
Those of us who have managed to build some kind of personal fortune….even a small one……the people who used to be called “middle class”…still have a lot to lose. And we might well lose it in a massive deflationary depression, which appears to be nearly inevitable.
I can see how a vote for Trump might be tempting for someone disgusted with the fake diversity message and the creeping socialism of the Democrats…..but it’s really a vote for chaos.
“our political traditions…..some of which are worth hanging on to.”
Nope. None of the remaining ones are.
“Like how do you keep an economic engine based on perpetual growth going when growth starts to stall out?”
By lowering costs of doing productive, value adding work. “Growth” is not some independent anthropomorph who now; magically, independently and entirely on his own; have decided to sow down. Instead, growth is slowing because people competent enough to make improvements to anything, are being robbed. In order to to keep idle, useless leeches in unearned splendor. As soon as idle nothings no longer “make money of their (always decaying) homes”, from picked-entirey-at-random “portfolios”, from dragging their productive superiors to kangaroo courts for shakedowns and from forcing others to pay ever more taxes to hand them pensions they very obviously never saved up for (or they wouldn’t need to tax anyone else…); growth will magically come back to life. It ain’t that hard.
“but it’s really a vote for chaos”
Best endorsement for Trump so far, if only it was true.
Perpetual y.o.y was never going to last forever. Exactly how long the current game of musical chairs can last is subject to debate, but we live in a word of dwindling finite resources.
The kind of growth that can pay for a high standard of living for uneducated and unskilled people is not coming back. And a vote for chaos only looks good to someone with little to lose, in my view.
Biden’s promises:
1.
amnesty and US citizenship to all ILLEGAL immigrants in USA currently.
MIT-Yale study estimated this at 29.5 million ILLEGAL immigrants in 2018 so about 30 million more people on Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, SNAP-EBT foodstamps, state welfare and federal tax credits and Section-8 housing and this means either cuts in those programs or huge tax increases to pay for it all.
2.
Biden has promised to RE-DIRECT funds from Police and this is clearly a DEFUNDING of Police even if Biden does not say the word.
3.
AOC and Bernie will get all their crazy plans so expect to stop flying in a few years and driving a car to cost 10 times more and meat to become much more expensive so enjoy beans.
The cuts caused by the Green Deal will lead to a permanent depression.
4.
China’s Communist newspapers are endorsing Biden because Biden would be easier to deal with than Trump especially considering Hunter Biden got 1500 million from Bank of China after traveling to China with Joe Biden in Airforce two when Joe Biden was Obama’s VP and responsible for China policy.
Joe Biden being a fool means Chinese probably have Joe Biden on tape for Hunter Biden’s 1500 million so Joe Biden can be blackmailed to even more stupid in China policy than Obama/Biden’s 8 years were.
5.
Joe Biden’s idea to solve covid is to close EVERYTHING DOWN so expect a total economic crash and 150 million unemployed Americans starting from January 20th if Biden is elected.
6.
Joe Biden would have continued flights from China and Europe because Joe Biden called Trump Xenophobic and racist when Trump stopped flights from China in January and Joe Biden complained Trump was betraying allies when Trump stopped flights from Europe in March after Europe had been seeded with covid through flights from China.
7.
Joe Biden is Wall Street’s favorite so more financialization and debt will follow.
Biden….and the Democratic Party, disgust me. The party narrative is a lie…..designed to keep their base of various identity politics groups happy….and to promise prosperity to people who are just going to keep getting poorer.
None of that keeps me from seeing Trump for what he is….a dangerous wild card who’d be king…might be king…..if he can pull it off.
Just because he latched on to a few issues that ring true to thinking people….the biggest one being that unlimited immigration might not be such a good thing…..which I agree with, btw…..doesn’t make me love him. He’s a schoolyard bully who just never got his comeuppance.
The real power brokers…the Charlie Koch types….have just used him to gut the federal bureaucracy so they can loot what’s left of the world’s dwindling resources. He’s a tool for them.
But it isn’t clear that he won’t make some serious miscalculation in this global military stand-off we’ve been in for my whole life….and get us into WWIII…..or that he won’t use his Twitter bully pulpit to provoke a civil war.
We have a choice between the crooks we’ve always had….or this guy who might set the whole world on fire.
And the idea that I should vote for Trump because my taxes will be lower? Sorry, but I’m an old man, and I know better.
The way to lower your taxes is by learning how the rich do it ….and emulating them. I read post after post on sites just like this one…..that make it so clear…..that the people who complain the most about the debt…don’t even really understand debt at all.
“Biden sponsored bills that put more blacks in prison for the benefit of public union prison guards.”
Homey, please!!!!!!!
The crime bill from the early ’90’s helped significantly reduce crime. Law abiding people, regardless of color, do NOT care what color predominates the prison population any more than basketball fans care what color predominates the courts.
most of it bullshit pot charges
Biden picking Kamala as VP must be the most tone deaf pick ever since Kamala called herself “top cop” and put 1500+ black people to prison for pot charges in her career in San Francisco and California.
Kamala did not say a peep about being black when she was elected into Senate and instead celebrated being the first Indian American Senator.
Biden also did NOT only WRITE the 1994 crime bill, Biden WROTE all the sentencing, drug, crime laws in the 1980’s and in the 1990’s until 1995 when democrats lost the majority and Biden has BRAGGED about this fact on Senate floor in a C-span footage that is floating around so everything Reagan is blamed for including the 10 times longer sentences for crack than for cocaine came from Joe Biden’s pen and were passed by a Democrat majority.
You lost me at “the case for Trump”
I wish we could vote against the Federal Reserve’s existence. That would be a vote that counts.
Hence why you can vote on it.
In Dystopia, the only thing up for vote, is pointless irrelevancies, after all. Anything of real consequence, is off the table. Otherwise, as the idiots have been told to mindlessly regurgitate: “The Syyyyystem will Collaaaaapse!!!” And that’s, like, the scajyist of al the scajy hobgoblins!
“If they get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the right answers.” — Thomas Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow
The majority of voters are oblivious about the Fed. All odds they would vote to keep it intact.
“Trump has praise for dictators like Kim Jong Un in North Korea and Putin in Russia.” “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
Obama loved the mullahs in Iran and gave them a sweetheart deal that allowed nuclear development and free trade and Obama paid Iran 150+ billion dollars despite Iran’s General Soleimani paying bounties for each dead American soldier killed by shia militias in Iraq for a total of almost 1000 dead American soldiers.
Trump sent a missile to take out Soleimani for the revenge of these bounties and to make sure Iran stops this and the missile also took out Hezbollah leadership and other Iranian generals.
Trump cancelled the Obama deal and put sanctions on Iran.
Obama REFUSED to sell guns and missiles to Ukraine and instead Obama and Clinton sold Russia’s state owned company 20% of American uranium mines and deposits.
Trump sold Ukraine guns and javelin missiles to keep Russia from attacking Ukraine further.
Obama and Biden let China’s Xi rob USA blind by unfair trade practices and ip theft while Biden was in USA toasting China and getting his son Hunter Biden 1500 million from Bank of China.
The choices with North Korea are to try to make a deal or wait until they get so bad from the inside that they attack South Korea.
I think making a deal would be wiser if Kim Jong un is ready to stop nuclear development and missile development but unfortunately Obama and Hillary Clinton made this much more difficult after they attacked Gaddafi after he had stopped Libya’s missile programs and WMD programs and tried to make peace with everyone and even signed a deal with Italy’s Berlusconi to stop the migrants on the southern border of Libya to prevent them from getting to europe in exchange for a few billion a year from Italy.
Obama and Clinton bombing Libya and Gaddafi caused the surge of migrants through Libya to Italy and Europe.
Obama and Clinton funding and arming FSA (Free Syrian Army) led to units always defecting and joining ISIS after getting guns and Obama’s “Junior Varsity” delusions about ISIS led to ISIS getting stronger and causing worse catastrophe inside Syria and Iraq and led to millions of migrants rushing to Europe through Turkey and Greece and millions getting to Germany and elsewhere in EU.
Obama/Biden foreign policies were a total catastrophe for USA and for Europe.
Do you work for Pompeo?
The US overthrew a democratically elected president in Iran and replaced that person with a Shah US puppet. They have every reason to still be angry with us.
The US supports one of the largest terrorist nations in the world, Saudi Arabia. The US is of course #1.
All of our allies, the UN, and even US military said Iran was honoring the treaty.
Trump’s idiotic go it alone policy just drove Iran into the hands of China.
Those are the facts
It was Iran’s money in the first place. I don’t know why people are so obsessed with that dumb lie of giving Iran free money. It’s almost relieving that you didn’t use the hackneyed “pallets of cash” phrase.
There are many things you can criticize Obama for, why not pick something real?