Call Off the Recount
The hand recount taking place in Georgia is a waste of time. They are not showing the matching signatures. Call off the recount until they allow the MATCH. Don’t let the Radical Left Dems STEAL THE ELECTION!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 14, 2020
Georgia Secretary of State, a so-called Republican (RINO), won’t let the people checking the ballots see the signatures for fraud. Why? Without this the whole process is very unfair and close to meaningless. Everyone knows that we won the state. Where is @BrianKempGA?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 14, 2020
Dear President Trump
Your demand is physically impossible.
Officials recount ballots, not signatures. They cannot do the latter.
Why?
- Absentee voters sign the outside of the envelope, not the ballot.
- When the ballot is received, election officials compare signatures to the voter’s registration file.
- If the signatures match, the envelopes are then separated from the ballots to safeguard voters’ ballot choices.
- Election officials also verified signatures on paper applications for an absentee ballot.
- There are no signatures to check because people do not sign ballots. Any other process would disclose how people voted.
Georgia Republicans Worried
Following Trump’s Twitter attacks, Georgia Republicans Worry Trump Feud Could Hurt Key Senate Runoffs.
The Georgia Republican Party is beset with infighting, as leading Republicans in the state come under public attack from President Trump.
Trump spent the past few days on Twitter attacking top Georgia Republicans: Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Gov. Brian Kemp, both once considered allies of Mr. Trump.
Sens. Perdue and Loeffler last week took the extraordinary step of calling for fellow Republican Mr. Raffensperger to resign, alleging election mismanagement. They didn’t offer evidence for that assertion. Mr. Raffensperger wasn’t notified of the call until he saw a mass email sent to media outlets. He refused to resign.
An adviser to Mr. Raffensperger said Saturday that the secretary of state, a strong supporter of the president since 2016, was baffled by the attacks. Those who are attacking the election as corrupt are in “complete looneyville,” the adviser said.
Mr. Kemp, who faces reelection in 2022, narrowly won in 2018 over Democrat Stacey Abrams. Mr. Kemp was aided, in part, by campaign visits from Mr. Trump. After Mr. Kemp won, the president sent him a signed note congratulating him, written on a newspaper clipping about his victory.
Questions of the Day
How is it that Trump does not understand the ballot process?
Or is it that Trump just does not give a damn?
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— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) November 16, 2020
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There is a third option. He understands the process, does not give a damn AND will destroy representative democracy to keep power.
These are poll workers Mish, mostly lying cheating liberals looking at signatures, not people who actually analize sigs. You actually trust this election with all these mail in votes? Already they found 2600 Trump votes not counted in GA. Your liberal bias is sickening. We just want fair elections.
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Can we ask Trump to do “the Physically Impossible”?
Such as, shove his head up his own ass.
Asking for a friend.
It would be “Physically Impossible” because It has Been Lodged up There since Birth!!!
Trump’s suits are feeling like an attempt at fish slapping
Runner Dan, the one-man Trump Band! Gosh darn, he’s SOOOO smart!
That word RINO cracks me up. It’s like some kind of mythical creature with so many definitions that continues to evolve. I believe the original intent on the word was to describe a moderate to liberal Republican. As the word has evolved, it is now used to describe anyone who pledges membership in the GOP who doesn’t bow down to King Donald. The funny thing is, Trump’s positions usually don’t resemble strong conservative positions as he has often attacked many of the small government advocates in the GOP like Amash, Massie, and Sanford.
Jesus Christ! That’s what Trump’s election observers were for. He’s continuing to get non-stop press time, his real goal!
…so they go into this room with hundreds of boxes of votes that no-one knows who, and so where, they came from. They say it is like this to protect “people who vote” from themselves.
The Onion ?
“When the ballot is received, election officials compare signatures to the voter’s registration file. “
Typical Georgia rejection rate (for absentee ballots w/mismatched signatures) is in the 3-4% range. This November it was around 0.3%.
Of course that looks suspicious. It doesn’t mean there’s foul play (maybe they changed the standards via a prescribed process with advance notice… I don’t know).
I saw a reasonable question asked about it on Twitter… along lines of, “did the massive increase in absentee mail voting just overwhelm the manual checks that they do?”
Whether there was foul play or not, there’s no un-doing it. Biden has more votes on the GA ballots than Trump does.
Fix the process for confidence in future elections.
Does the state keep the envelopes or are they already discarded? I suppose you could see how many (if any) of the envelopes do not have matching signatures.
A pile of envelopes with no ballots? Where do you go from there?
The envelope would also need to have the ID number and/or partial SSN
Call each voter, send them a scan of their envelope signature, ask it was them that sent the envelope, and then ask them to disclose their ballot?
So much for secret ballot.
So much for a recount under 2 months.
The records could easily be preserved for the purposes of testing and control using one way hashes embedded in QR codes.
This could enable later comparison of signatures anonymously, as well as enable checking for your own actual votes (and number of votes, etc etc), without disclosing anybody’s identity.
In many countries they have abolished voting computers just to be rid even of theoretical vulnerabilities. And they still manage to have no line-ups and get everything counted a few hours after polls close. In many countries it is also not permitted to publish counts until verified and reconciled with ballot numbers, etc. Until then the press has to make do with exit polls.
So…..which is giving rise to more delusional thinking this week? Is it the election or is it COVID?
Hard to say…but interestingly, it’s still the same people who are equally delusional about both subjects.
Sooner or later the Kool-Aid they’re drinking is bound to run out. I hope it happens sometime soon.
Flavor-Aid. Know your Jonestown meme.
There’s cheating in every election. On both sides. There probably was more cheating this time. Mainly the democrats because I believe they would have done anything to keep Trump from winning. But, it’s almost impossible to prove and get a result changed on a national scale.
Long term, we need to come up with a more secure way of voting. People need to verify who they are in order to vote. The argument that that’s racist is absurd. Maybe have a unique national voter ID number for everyone. Similar to a SSN.
One of the methods of voter suppression engaged in by republicans was to require picture ID to vote, and then shut DMV offices in the democratic sections, leaving poor residents who have no cars (and no public transportation) without a means of getting an ID. You can apply for a US passport at just about any post office, local court house, etc. but a passport is expensive. I would be behind a requirement for picture ID to vote but the ID needs to be free and the places to apply must be easy for everyone to access.
Oh please, Gloe, tell us where one DMV was shut down by a republican!
Republicans have always wanted LEGAL residents to vote. The democratic tactic has always been to exchange public aid for the illegals’ vote. The funny thing is, most illegals from south of the border hold the importance of the family structure which is in stark contrast to the left’s recently more prominent socialistic “the government is your family” position.
Obviously you have never voted. In Texas you basically have to have multiple forms of identification to vote if you are white. If you are a POC forget about it!
This notion that there has been widespread fraud in mail-in ballots is a completely and utterly ridiculous claim.
If it were true you would have tens of thousands of voters who would have found out when they went to vote that a main-in ballot was already requested and/or submitted in their name. Except for a few extremely isolated cases (like the blind elderly woman in Nevada who says her roommate stole her ballot but refuses to name her roommate) there have not been been very many such cases. If Rudy’s claim were true though you would have seen a ton of such situations and you simply don’t. Also, if there was fraud, why did all those “fraudsters” vote democrat at the top of the ballot but not for the legislatures?
All these claims are simply lies and fabrications.
How would anybody know if there are no controls and audits.
The faith Americans have in their democratic process is foolish boasting.
“We are good because we are Americans”
Yeah, sure…
This has nothing to do with audits or controls. You would know as you would have tens of thousands (or even hundreds of thousands if mail in ballot fraud is as pervasive as the president claims) of people complaining on social media and the news (which would have jumped on the opportunity to report this) that this happened to them but obviously it didn’t.
No you wouldn’t know, if there is no way to check, verify, or audit anything. You’re flying blind. Lot of jurisdictions with more votes than people. Statistical anomalies point to thousands of votes that require an explanation.
There are scores and scores of convictions over decades past, and you can be sure that court cases represent a miniscule portion of successful fraud.
There was more cheating on the REPUBLICAN side. Much of this was done before any voting even started, though. Gloe mentions the voter-ID requirements (then, in places like Wisconsin and Alabama, the DMVs in some hugely-Democrat counties were either closed down, or reduced to absurd hours like open only in the afternoon on the second and fourth Wednesdays of the month or such). This is one way of winnowing mostly-Democrats from the process.
My brother, in Florida, drove around Volusia County, Florida in 2012 to look at polling places on election day, after he voted. He saw no queues at all for “white” voting wards, then he went by some mostly-black wards and the queues stretched for blocks. Very likely the white wards had 17 working voting machines in THEIR locations (as was true where my brother voted), and there was word of some of the black wards having three voting machines with two of them mysteriously “down” – THIS IS A FORM OF CHEATING. This makes sure that white people can vote with no inconvenience, but minorities had to take the entire day off work and maybe not even get to vote at all if it happens to be one of those days with torrential rains or something.
Look how Republicans are trying to cheat NOW, even after the fact. Lindsay Graham tried to tell Georgia to throw out hundreds of thousands of perfectly legal votes, and Republicans tried to pull the same crud in Michigan today by refusing to certify the vote in Wayne County (IMAGINE THAT!). That’s where Detroit is.
Republicans will cheat, cheat, cheat…to the point that, if they succeed, could end up giving the election to Trump.
The way I look at Trump and his minions’ nonsense is that they’re like a bunch of drunks trying to take down a skyscraper with a blowtorch. I don’t think they have the remotest chance of succeeding, but I also don’t think we should allow them to start a fire while they try.
Yeah, I don’t think they will take down the skyscraper.
The question to ask is what are the actual goals. Birtherism didn’t remove Obama from office, but it was an effective propaganda tool.
Goals? Trupm doesn’t play 3-d chess. He’s simply intent on eating all the chess pieces
It’s madness, but there may be a method behind it. Saying he was cheated and really actually won sets him up for things to come after, nevermind the destruction to the country and to the legitimacy of elections he leaves in his wake.
This is a pretty good article that I think has it correct. Worth a read:
The Trump DEATH Cult. The political party that LOVES COVID, and wants to be as thoroughly helpful as possible that they can be, to assure the longevity of this virus.
My conspiracy theory, and I’m stickin’ to it, is that they WANT old people and minorities, and disabled, to die. Just think: they clear out so many who are on the rolls of Social Security, the VA, Medicaid, Medicare, and SSI/SSDI all at the same time.
Just think of all that money that’s being saved. Never mind that millions may die from all of this (including me, in my mid-70s, certainly being at risk). All these entitlement payments reduced, so they can have more money for their damned tax breaks for the millionaires and billionaires.
After all, that means these insanely-rich people can then turn around and pump more and more money into Republican coffers. What a sweet deal!
^ Yes. The TRUMP DEATH CULT. The Republican Party, more than any other political or governing group anywhere else IN THE WORLD, is utterly in love with COVID-19, and they are doing the best they possibly can to make sure the virus is happy, and thrives to the utmost.
After all, consider who is most at risk of death from COVID-19. the elderly, minorities, the poor, and the disabled.
MY CONSPIRACY THEORY, AND I’M STICKIN’ TO IT:
Consider that the Republican Party in general hates minorities (especially those who have immigrated to the U. S.); and these other groups of people heavily use resources from Social Security, Medicare, the VA, Medicaid, SSI/SSDI, and SNAP (a/k/a food stamps, welfare).
COVID-19 helps winnow those icky minorities, and it frees up a lot of government spending on entitlements. That gives “the gub’mint” more money, y’know, for more and more tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy and corporations.
What do “good” ultra-rich people do with spare money? They give more to Republicans!!!!! Oh, such a deal, and the Republican Party is milking this as much as possible. Yes, I’m sticking to this.
Based on the House and Senate results (no big gains for Democrats), the vote was clearly a referendum on Trump.
And Trump lost.
It hurts most for a guy who doesn’t like losers.
Yes, the Presidential vote was a referendum on Trump. The other offices were more a referendum on the socialists’ utopian vision for this country.
i created a twitter account specifically to tell trump and his ilk: georgia says, y’all farred
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Rhymes with tarred, pairs well with feathers.
Trump will contineu to move the goal poss or ask for things he can’t get because he doesn’t have real quesitons or allegations. He simply wants to create doubt and hopes somehow states won’t certify the election results
The most horrible part of this is Trump either 1) has no conception of the damage he is doing to our democratic process, or 2) is just too stupid to know these things, or 3) is both 1 and 2. I suspect they will explain it away as him being at the mercy of his controlling egotistical psychological break, after all he is a white male.
There’s a third posssibility. That Trump simply does not care. I go with #3
The so-called democratic process is a complete illusion. It is only supported by faith. No other country goes through such idiotic non-verifiable counting by partisans. Name one other developed country where people regularly go to jail for election fraud and where there are routine doubts about election integrity, voter suppression, illegal ballots, any part of this shit show.
No election monitoring organization will even observe US elections, because there are not enough controls and audit data to even start. And then all the chest thumping about bring democracy to the world.
Trump is doing what he can to ensure that the elections were fair, as well he should due to the extraordinary voting methods. When he is convinced it was fair and he lost (which seems to be the case), he will concede and then exit office in January per the Constitution. End of story.
Of course, the media will drum up as much drama as possible in the interim and people who want to believe the stories to be gospel, will believe.
Oh, so the rest of America is supposed to sit down and take the denial of their Constitution right to a free, fair, and transparent election because of the ELECTION FRAUD committed by these state by their denying true observation of ballot validation and counting; observing from TV monitors or more than 6 feet away is not observing the ballot count, it’s watching people shuffle around unidentifiable pieces of paper around.
I think folks on the Left have no idea about the anger building.
If the elections were really transparent, none of this would be going on.
There is nothing more sacred to a representative government than a free, fair, and transparent election process.
It’s disgraceful and disgusting how you perpetuate the lies.
Oh, so the rest of America is supposed to sit down and take the denial of their Constitution right to a free, fair, and transparent election because of the ELECTION FRAUD committed by these state by their denying true observation of ballot validation and counting; observing from TV monitors or more than 6 feet away is not observing the ballot count, it’s watching people shuffle around unidentifiable pieces of paper around.
I think folks on the Left have no idea about the anger building.
If the elections were really transparent, none of this would be going on.
There is nothing more sacred to a representative government than a free, fair, and transparent election process.
It’s disgraceful and disgusting how you perpetuate the lies.
Trump just had his 23rd loss today. Docket in case anyone is interested. This is downright embarassing and a huge waste of time. No wonder all of Trump’s law firms are quitting
He will become increasingly marginalized once fraud and other indictments come down. For anyone who thought he had a lot of supporters they were wrong based on the 20,100 turnout this weekend in Washington. I think more people voted for the party and for Biden then they did for Trump. If one were to ask Trump voters in 2020, I suspect only about 10-15% of his actual vote count was because he was the candidate. The rest voted based on party line.
Trump is one for 23 in he courts. Trump can tweet all he wants but in court his lawyers have not shown any proof. Their claims that their poll watchers have not had access have all been withdrawn and dismissed. They are simply not factually correct.
Don’t confuse the court decisions as indicative of their purpose.
When do we start talking about actual mental illness?
Let’s pretend for a moment that instead of POTUS this was some random McCain supporter on the side of the road flailing against the 2008 election results. Would anyone think they were NOT out of their mind crazy?
Add to his lamentntations that the media is against him and that the FBI spied on his campaign despite them being warned by the CIA that his opposition was plotting intrigue!
Just crazy!!!
Yes, yes.
And the moon landings were faked,
And the earth is flat,
And there’s aliens visiting us to probe our orifices,
And O/S2 Warp was good,
And SCO had a case,
And on, and on, and on…
stress tests are good for the constitution until they aren’t.
We are now learning that our former President Obama was not such a big fan of our foundational documents. I don’t recall him stating as such during his campaigns though.