Trump Proclaims a Win
Trump: “This is a fraud to the American public. This is a fraud on the nation. This is an embarrassment to our country.
We won this election.“
A sitting US president claiming he has already won the election and ‘fraud’ has been committed, while millions of ballots are still being counted in the #USElection https://t.co/9wT0TmfAL1
— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) November 4, 2020
Ben Shapiro Chimes in
https://twitter.com/zackryanfrank72/status/1323892811997966336
“No, Trump has not already won the election, and it is deeply irresponsible for him to say he has.”
Shapiro gained a lot of respect from me for that honest Tweet.
GOP Election Lawyer Chimes In
GOP election lawyer Ben Ginsberg says on CNN that there’s no way for Trump to do what he just claimed he would do — go to the Supreme Court and ask for it to stop the counting of ballots.
— Ben Pershing (@benpershing) November 4, 2020
Let’s Count Arizona, Nothing Else
To recap: The president wants the rest of the votes counted in Arizona, because he’s losing, but says he’s “won” Pennsylvania and Michigan, where there are hundreds of thousands of votes still outstanding.
The American public must understand that the president is lying to them.
— Tim Alberta (@TimAlberta) November 4, 2020
Fox News Chris Wallace Chimes In
Chris Wallace: “This is an extremely flammable situation and the president just threw a match into it. He hasn’t won these states … the president doesn’t get to say he won states … there’s no question that all these states can continue to count votes.” pic.twitter.com/iquygEE39Y
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 4, 2020
“This goes back to what Biden said which is: The president does not get to say that he has won states , the American people get to say it,” said Wallace.
“These states, by state law routinely are unable to count votes by election night. There is no question these states can continue to count votes for days.”
Mike Pence
What did Pence do?
— JC Chasez’s Thug Appeal (@heytreygr8) November 4, 2020
Rick Santorum
Rick Santorum on CNN right now: “I was very distressed by what I heard the president say.”
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) November 4, 2020
Chris Christie
.@GovChristie, on ABC, said this was the wrong move by Trump, legally and as a president.
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 4, 2020
Two Lies and a Strawman
No one cast any votes after the polls were closed. Counting them after the polls are closed is standard procedure.
That was one of the most dishonest and despotic speeches ever given by a president of the United States.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) November 4, 2020
PENNSYLVANIA state law didn’t allow the state to even OPEN mailed ballots until today. Let alone actual start counting.
For Trump to demand that counting stop, is Trump attempting to disenfranchise millions of voters. Period.
That is not American.
It is Autocracy. Period.
— M. Trent Trani, Esq. (@DenverCrimAtty) November 4, 2020
Trump’s proclamation of victory before the votes were counted are all you need as a reason to hope he lost no matter who you voted for.
President Trump is a fraud and an embarrassment to our country.
My Most Likely Scenario Biden 308 Trump 230
I stayed up all night
Based on where remaining votes are this is my most likely scenario
Mish.
No you fantasy writers for The Street are frauds and disgraces of genuine journalistic integrity, your investors editor and all you writers of fables should should be indicted for inciting violence through deception.
I agree. I think eventually you will see most states turn blue as more people rely on government entitlements. In 2011, 49% of all households received some form of entitlement. That means the other 51% are subsidizing the other 49% who are on entitlements. I am sure it is over 50% now. You do not want to turn against the hand that feeds you.
60 million people receive food stamps.
22 million people receive Medicaid (6 in 10 Medicaid support adults have jobs)
24 million children use welfare every month
9 million children who do not receive Medicaid are enrolled in other health benefits
50% of all immigrants are on welfare. (So lets open the board so we can subsidize more)
Welfare pays more than minimum wage in 35 states.
I have read up to 40% of Amazon and Walmart employees receive some form of Government entitlements. As the owners make billions a week, something is wrong with this picture. These are two of the most successful companies in the world and they cannot pay a livable wage? I think there needs to be a new law that if you are a public company your revenue is over 1 Billion a year than non of your employees food stamp programs are funded by the company and not tax payers. Either that or you pay them a livable wage.
Don’t think that’s true as NV could replace any of: AZ or NC or GA (tie goes to Trump) if any of the 3 went Biden
Nevada is now irrelevant.
Trump needs GA, NC, PA plus AZ
Did you miss Alaska which is still being counted but that Trump will surely win?
If Trump wins GA, NC, PA and NV Trump becomes president.
This is an interesting excerpt that I wish I had come across last week when it was published. The middle finger analogy works well and shows how dissatisfied many people are with American politics and the media.
… If he [Trump] wins, it will be despite all that. An enormous factor would be that Trump is the only way for his voters to say to the cultural Left, “No, sorry, you’ve gone too far.”
Besides the occasional dissenting academic and brave business owner or ordinary citizen, Trump is, for better or worse, the foremost symbol of resistance to the overwhelming woke cultural tide that has swept along the media, academia, corporate America, Hollywood, professional sports, the big foundations, and almost everything in between.
He’s the vessel for registering opposition to everything from the 1619 Project to social media’s attempted suppression of the Hunter Biden story.
To put it in blunt terms, for many people, he’s the only middle finger available — to brandish against the people who’ve assumed they have the whip hand in American culture.
This may not be a very good reason to vote for a president, and it doesn’t excuse Trump’s abysmal conduct and maladministration.
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This is right, more or less. The Democrats have this narrative….they are the party of inclusion and diversity…that gets votes from the dumber liberals…they just drink it like Kool-Aid.
But looking at their track record they are the (other) party of corporate power and influence peddling…not much different than Republicans in terms of what they do for the little guy……which is damn near nothing.
Bu they are quick to take the knee…and give lip service to civil rights and womens rights and gay rights and transgender rights and the rights of minorities, including African-Americans and Native Americans and Indian Americans (of real India descent) and LatinX….and everybody else under the sun except for those of us labeled as the white male patriarchy.
But the American working class, which used to be the base of the Democratic Party….was completely abandoned by the Democratic Party a generation ago….because the Democrat donor class…the money behind the DNC….was looking for a constituency that demanded less than organized labor was demanding..and this…what we have now….is what resulted from that.
Trump is in it in Nevada, and he is ahead in Georgia, NC and Penn
Seems to be the path for him
Trump supporters chant ‘Stop The Count’ — while trying to disrupt tabulation in Detroit link to twitter.com
Theres another surprise … harass the poll workers instead of the voters. I bet there’s precedent in the 3rd world.
All this fuss about which corrupt old rich white guy with sexual harassment accusations will win. No matter who wins the loser is always the same: the rapidly dwindling middle class.
It’s not the same. One way we keep our right to vote.
Letting PA to take mail in ballots until Friday with signatures that dont match or have a post mark on them is really the attrocity of the election. The election is 1 day and 1 day only. Countin ballots that come in days after election is preposterous at best.
You mean like we have done with active military absentee ballots (and others) every other past election?
Can you point out that requirement in the Constitution? How long do you think it took to collect ballots in say 1800? Likely weeks to months. D’oh.
Now he’s tweeting gibberish and getting flagged. He must be nearly apoplectic. Oh to be a fly on Pence’s head…
Biden looks screwed even if he wins
At a minimum, the lackluster performance of Democratic Senate candidates would hamstring a President Biden from Day One.
By RYAN LIZZA
11/04/2020 05:58 AM EST
This is not the outcome Democrats expected.
Despite many bold predictions of a rout in which Democrats gained (or re-gained) Trumpian red territory of 2016, as of early Wednesday only one state — Arizona — had flipped from red to blue. Six states remain outstanding: Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
It’s pretty surprising. I was definitely not expecting it to get this close. Turns out there’re a lot more deplorables in that basket than it looks like it should hold.
Look…even if Trump had been swept out of office by a landslide, there is no way Biden was ever going to be JFK…..and even the idea…..that winning the Presidency by a large margin gives the party a “mandate for change”…..is just bs. Obama had both houses Democrat for two years and he got almost nothing done of any import.
Articles like this come out after every election.
AP just predicted Biden wins WI.
I hear the Demander-In-Chief is already demanding a recount in Wisconsin.
What exactly is wrong with that?
Bad sportsmanship?
Look, it’s already been explained in another comment today that the Wisconsin lead is enough to be fairly unassailable….it’s barely within the 1% range that entitles him to a recount..and there is absolutely no reason to suspect that it comes out better for him in the next tally.
And if Nevada and Pennsylvania and Michigan get called for Biden, it doesn’t matter.
This, really, is the best possible outcome. Trump is gone, and Congress is divided, so nothing too radical will happen. Even better, Biden will be forced to be bi-partisan, and perhaps the extreme divisiveness can heal.
Senate Leader Palpatine is no fan of healing.
Pelosi had no desire for anything to really happen under Trump, so she passed outrageous bills that she knew would die. Now, with Biden actually wanting to do some things, I predict that Pelosi will start having bills written that actually might pass the Senate.
Democrats are no fans of healing. They never accepted that Trump won in 2016.
The elections do not settle the divisions between “the people” and their general philosophical outlook on life. Only decentralization/return to state’s rights will reduce those tensions. The recent monetization over Covid-19 will eventually bear it’s rotten fruit and will actually inflame the situation IMO, regardless of who is elected.
Biden is the right President for these times. I think even he would privately admit the party got dragged too far to the left by Obama. Biden has always been a centrist more in the mold of Bill Clinton. Even Hillary was a centrist imo. If you aren’t trying to be a revolutionary like the far left (that Obama catered to) or far right (that Trump caters to), governing can actually be productive.
If there were a “right president for these times” he/she would probably get even fewer votes than Jo Jorgensen. Too many delusional people with the right to vote out there.
Biden is….the safer pick of the two terrible choices we had before us. I hope you’re right about him holding the center…but his party is running off into the weeds over anti-racism and identity politics…..and the narrative is not the real agenda.
Biden has, in the past, boasted about his ability to work with people from the other party. This is exactly what we need, however, with the rest of the party veering left, it remains to be seen how things go.
There’s still the pandemic, and the widespread economic destruction that seems to be papered over for now. I think we’re headed for a rough patch no matter what.
The popular vote margin is roughly equal to the (D) surplus in CA.
It is time for Californians to either split into three states (longshot) or to accelerate the colonization of “red” states like Texas, Georgia and North Carolina.
Those 3 million “wasted” California votes, properly redistributed in TX, GA and NC would make America blue forever.
C’mon Bloomberg! C’mon Cuban! C’mon Gates! C’mon Soros! 40 acres and a mule for any liberal Californian to homestead in Texas, Georgia and North Carolina!
There should be more respect given to the concept of a live person, walking into a private voting booth, unpressured, and casting a vote. No ballot harvesting, same electorate decision timing, etc.
what’s interesting is that Biden is winning the popular vote by about 2%, the same as Clinton but the electoral votes are coming up diffferently.
I think Biden will win the popular vote by a much larger margin. California isn’t even fully counted yet and won’t be for 10 days.
I know you’ve all been on the edge of your seats, awaiting my prediction, so here it is at last.
Biden takes it. Trump gets less than 263 electoral votes, and loses the popular vote by 3 million or more. trump goes into full meltdown, calls on the trump Army to save his butt from the shark tank full of lawyers he’s about to be dropped into. The Gravy Seals spring into action, and shoot up a gay bar or abortion clinic, wounding at least one of their own.
Trump is charged with sedition, and sequestered. Qanon fills the void, feeding the followers their required daily ration of utter horseshit. Lifted F150s with giant Free trump flags will be seen, driven by people in bizarre getups fasioned from trump paraphernalia. The prisoner on the POW/MIA flag is replaced with a likeness of trump, and is also flown from truck beds.
Sporadic Gravy Seal operations occur every couple months, each more moronic an ineffective than the last, but progressively more lethal, putting gun control squarely back on the table.
I have spoken!
Nice.
I predict we see the press call a 271 – 267 Biden victory today.
PA and GA hold for Trump.
Trump demands manual recount in AZ that narrows that vote, but Biden still wins it.
Same in MI.
Trump loses in courts on AZ and MI.
The House seats all electors as certified by states, 271 for Biden.
The electors vote, no faithless electors.
Biden takes office in January on schedule.
The only thing to know now is when does Kamala take his place and how messy is that?
I’m as satisfied as possible for somebody who hated both candidates. One had to win. At least the Senate is opposite party, so no “mandates.” Nancy lost ground in the House. I hope she loses any bid to retain Speakership (if she even tries to retain).
….when does Kamala take his place and how messy is that?…
How do you think that will be “messy”? Is there a constitutional case for it being “messy”?
Don’t shoot me I’m in the Silverado.
When the liberals are gone, we’re coming for the filthy Bowties..
Trump probably could have won if he would show more empathy. But man, the media has not been kind to him the past 4 years.
That being said one needs to look for positive. I know several Millennial couples that each have over $100k in student debt and are stoked that much of that will be forgiven by Biden. I think this will help the economy and the housing market as these Millennials start to buy houses.
Was Trump kind to Obama when Obama was the president? Was Fox kind to Trump? Isn’t Fox “the media”?
He can’t show empathy. That’s a feature of his condition. He can’t even fake it.
Those millennials are dreaming if they think an actual Biden admin will scrap 100K in loans, they have a better chance of Trump actually scrapping them. If you want to see what a Biden admin looks like , look at the Obama admin.
Your probably right. But the perception and anticipation is there and that is what they think. There was so much rhetoric about forgiving student loans from many of the Democrats this year…it is now a perception in there minds.
I believe Trump told us in 2016 his art of the deal skills would win over the media and other political opponents.
When Obama was elected, many thought their mortgages would be forgiven. How did that work out?
Every debt owed is an asset held by someone. Erasing the debt is stealing from the debt holder.
When trump was elected, people that owned rental units thought that their tenants either had to pay rent or leave. trump put an end to that. It’s a funny world.
LOL, Joe Biden is the REASON they have 100k+ in student loans because Joe Biden sponsored the law making student loans NOT dischargeable in bankruptcy so Joe Biden made student loans FOREVER and this led to banks raising the dollar amounts they give out massively and since banks raised the available student loan dollars massively colleges and universities raised their tuition fees massively since more dollars were chasing those places and willing and ABLE to pay so Joe Biden is the REASON college/university tuition fees are so high and the REASON why students have such large debt loads of FOREVER student debt.
Looks like Biden is going to pull out the win, but it will be very close, but a win is still a win. Declaring the election prematurely well, classic Trump.
I’m surprised by how well Trump did with his base, clearly he has strong support there, outperforming even himself in 2016. This strong electorate should not be overlooked they are also a part of America, if anything it shows Trump is not a “one off”, this is the biggest revelation from the election.
The really pathetic thing is, he wasn’t even ahead when he declared victory. I’m not sure that he ever has been ahead.
Yeah I’m not really focused on Trump himself, at this point he is comedy. But I do look at his strong support from his base, it’s not a one off and they should not be written off, clearly the nation is very very divided about its future.
Agree. The populist faction is here to stay, now. It doesn’t particularly make me happy. I’d much rather deal with normal, sane conservatives.
Populist vote is definitely not going anywhere, Alexis de Tocqueville predicted a Trump like figure would eventually emerge.
Actualy I think Trump’s defeat is bad bad news for the republicans. He was a one-off. A con-man and reality TV host shamelessly willing to say anything. The party of Trump won’t be able to pivot back so easily.
If Trump was repudiated in a landslide loss, this would be true. Unfortunately with the race this close, they will choose to double (triple? quintuple?) down.
Maybe a Don Jr. run? I was just thinking about who might assume the mantle of Penultimate Prevaricator….I don’t really think Jr. has the chops…but maybe Ivanka or Jared (with Ivanka behind the gold-plated throne?)
Mish – what’s your take on the Michigan ballot dump, the 138k votes seemingly all for Biden. Any idea on the reasoning behind it? Surely officials have to address it or it is bound inflame tensions and draw more Trump ire on twitter.
They are mail in ballots in most states being counted. Biden is winning nearly 100% of these in blue counties.
Not 100%. Closer to 75%. And there’s no way 100K+ people all voted for a single candidate.
That MI bump was a fat-finger by a single county (135000 instead of 13500), and they’ve already backed that out. It only took them about 2 hours to detect and correct.
A fat finger doesn’t explain how Trump got no votes.
It depends on the county. I could easily see Trump getting NO votes some counties in America.
The left always pretend they don’t see ridiculous, implausible coincidences. It’s how they dismiss everything. They are Coincidence Theorists.
No, that’s explained because they’ll report in batches, “10000 more Biden votes,” “1000 more JoJo votes,” “8000 more Trump votes.” Sometimes those would all batch together, sometimes just 1 candidate at a time. I watched for hours as that went on.
I have 0 faith in the integrity of govt workers, either side would justify cheating. But I’ve also seen 0 evidence of large-scale cheating.
This is exactly why I think the Electoral College is a good thing. If a state or outside party ever determines there’s cheating in a state, no need to recount the whole country, the remedy is isolated to that state, and if Congress doesn’t like the remedy, they don’t need to seat the state’s electors.
This looks like a data glitch and apparently the accusation is now retracted:
So..it looks like the Democrats keep the House and the Republicans keep the Senate.
In Texas Cornyn beat Hegar by about 8 points…which was consistent with the pre-election polling. In the early hours last night it was obvious that Hegar ran a very close campaign in the urban counties, coming within a point…..but as I expected, the later reporting rural counties hurt her…..and the same phenomenon took Biden’s early Texas lead.
My local Republican Chip Roy held on to his gerrymandered district with no problem…..as I expected.
I expect it will take at least two more election cycles for Texas to really get close to going blue….LatinX voters seem to have lived up to predictions that they would go for Trump in the 40% range…..and spanner in the works of the Democratic demographic future of this sate and some others.
“a spanner in the works”…..edit not working..
Not sure. It will depend on younger voters. Texas may turn out to be closer based on mail in ballots.
Texas is headed blue just like Arizona, but the transition there will take longer, the state has it’s own unique identity and it won’t be as easy to flip it but demographics will eventually turn it blue.
If it flips anytime soon it will be due to the exact kind of demographic shift that has already flipped AZ…..California transplants……and not the “brown wave” everybody in the Democratic leadership has been counting on.
I simply cannot believe how fast COVID and climate change (and a few other factors) are now driving people here from the West Coast (and to a lesser degree other places). It’s very good for me and my real-estate heavy investment plan. I expect it to continue for years.
I’m old enough to remember a time when Texas had LBJ and Ralph Yarborough in the Senate, although I was just a kid…..a very interesting time….I’ve even thought about writing a book about how they shaped the federal judiciary when Eisenhower and Kennedy were our Presidents….they were the power behind Roe…and many other Warren Court decisions that I happen to view as positive for the country.
They’ve been saying Texas was going to be a swing state for the last 20 years. I suspect they’ll be saying it 20 years from now. I grew up there. I have no faith that things will ever change there.
I don’t know how old you are……but I can tell you that some of the biggest mistakes of my life…..were based on assumptions I made that things could never change.
I’m 50. I’ve been at this rodeo a long time 🙂
Yeah Texas is different, it doesn’t reallty have the adversarial state level approach towards it’s Latino’s of mostly Mexican descent they have been there for generations, this is the key difference between Arizona with SB1070, and Pete Wilson in California with I think was Prop 187, those galvanized the hispanic vote in those states for generations. Texas nor Florida have taken that state level approach nor will they, hence Texas and Florida will take a longer time to flip blue, but eventually they will. The young Hispanic vote trends very liberal even socialistic to be honest, the old first generation immigrant vote is still reliably GOP I get the sense.
Make no mistake Arizona turning blue has very little to do with Biden or anything the Democratic Party/Trump has specifically done. It’s a long delayed reaction to SB1070/Arpaio/etc. from about a decade ago, it galvanized as they saw it as an attack on their race.
I enjoy your erudite responses. Thanks for playing….we made it though my workday morning.
Still sticking with Georgia. I wondered about that.
It is becoming clear even without Georgia, the days of Donald Trump’s presidency are coming to a quick close.
Let’s hope we can repair the damage of this fraud. For me, being a Tea Party libertarian, I feel the liberty movement was set back decades as the Tea Party forgot what they stood for in their embrace of Trump. Clearly deficits and taxes weren’t their beef.
I didn’t know there were any Tea Party left. They got swept up in the crazy, then the crazy went for trump and left the Tea Party behind. I guess that’s a positive?
I believe there are some Tea Party organizations still left. They are very similar to the BLM movement in they got hijacked and became a monster from their original grassroots efforts.
Biden’s probably going to win, but to completely dismiss the possibility of cheating is insane. Both sides are doing everything they can to win and there’s circumstantial evidence on both sides.
Installing a crony to dismantle the post office while whipping up a pandemic is a bit more than circumstantial…
Counting all the votes = cheating.
Supposedly Biden saw a jump of over 100K in Michigan and Wisconsin without any votes going for Trump. Seems suspicious to me.
Having to prefix your statement with “supposedly” makes it suspicious, all right.
Like people like president. tRump is a reflection of what American people are. Whoever eventually wins this election may still to be debated, but the loser is already known and it’s the American people. The great old USA has passed its glorious peak, and is accelerating its sliding downhill.
This has been the hard truth for me this morning. Half of the country really IS like that.
Agree. It will probably be what forces my wife and me to move out of the US eventually. And she was born and raised here.
Two words Costa Rica, They are very nice to US ex-pats that can keep the locals gainfully employed.
Sad but I’m afraid it’s true
I am just ready for all this to be over. Not crazy about either candidate. If Biden wins at least the protests will stop.
Biden in the lead in MI
cnn is staffe by morons. they have on the a.g. the anchor literally asked him to predict who was going to win. the response is i’m not here to be a political punit. that was embarassing
The terrible thing about all this is the only thing that makes democrats look decent is the absolute dumpster fire of corruption and stupidity the GOP has become.
Toobin was too busy playing with his tube.
Mish, you know what REALLY is a disgrace for the US ? Lemme tell you : 4 years of relentless bashing, harassment, false and utterly idiotic, baseless accusations and outrageous impeachment attempts by a sore losers, self declared politically correct, bunch of whining socialist suckers and their totally biased news outlets! THAT is a disgrace NEVER seen in America’s history, therefore I consider Trump the MORAL winner of this totally unexpected neck and neck battle, even if you get your new worthless deep state puppet, corrupt president who literally took advantage of a pandemic to win the presidency ! Under normal circumstances Trump’s victory would ve been a piece of cake, no doubt about it.
Exactly. If the media only hated him like George Bush he probably wins in a land slide. Im not even going to insinuate Obama media coverage. I think the Democrats lost, even if they win. 4 years of attacks, media bias, BS polling “Blue Wave” which was wrong again, russia gate, impeachment. Its incredible that its even this close. In my opinion, after spending this much time and $$$$, the Democrats only put up a marginally better candidate than Clinton in 2016 and thats a problem
Trump has destroyed the Republican Party. He should have won easily. He had not one, but two crises in his final year, and flubbed both of them.
We had 8 years of “hes gunna take our guns”, “he wasn’t born in america”, and various other foolishness. Bush got beat on for 8 years as well, as did Clinton, and every president in history.
Whats different this time is this president spends most of his time crying about it like a little bitch.
Trump is the most corrupt President in the history of the US. The facts can’t come out until he is out of office. You will see. This is why so many state and federal prosecutors are waiting to file any charges.
My favorite video of the election campaign:
Look for the video posted by Tobias M.
OOOOOH, scary….
You know Mish of all the things Trump has said over the past four years — this is one of the least objectionable! Let’s be honest Trump outperformed what pollsters were “predicting”
Which pollsters do you mean?
One set overestimated Biden, the other Trump
So… all he has to do is beat “the polls” and he wins?
Trump’s MI lead down to 27k, and still a big bunch of votes to come from Wayne county. It is over for Trump there.
The American crap can’t even get the ink they need for the voters. Who would EVER fly in a plane built by Americans?
Mish, what is your take on Vladimir Vladimirovich’s rigging of this election? You are a computer expert. Does he have an AS-400 in the basement of the Kremlin?
I don’t think they’ve made AS-400s in a decade…
No, he has System 36 and a PDP-11 running RSTS.
Mish, I find myself losing respect for you as almost everyday you post bitter salty attacks on Trump. It’s like you have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Why don’t you direct your energy towards something positive. You are making yourself unhappy and losing credibility along the way.
Somebody’s fee fees got hurt…
Mish didn’t change. The GOP did…. or hadn’t you noticed?
And yet, it would seem that Mish has been completely right all along.
This is my point all along. Its ridiculous to have a policy debate when we have a fitness to lead issue
Thanks for pointing out the Ben Shapiro tweet. He gained a lot of credibility with me on that one too.
The IDW conservative podcasters are generally spot on in their critique of the Democrats and their phony baloney identity politics….but too many times they turn into campaigners and apologists for Trump…..which makes them lose points with me.
My sons love Shapiro, and so I’ve paid a bit of attention to him, and he does call them as he sees them.
Dave Rubin is also pretty good….The Democrats should worry more about the younger crowd abandoning their false narrative…but of course they don’t…..and especially won’t now since it looks like they won…..but they hardly have any bragging
rights.
Shapiro has always been conservative, but Rubin is a former Young Turk….the Young Turks are willing shills for the Dem false narrative imho….and Rubin did well to leave them.
But neither Shapiro nor Rubin…. quite get the serious threat Trump represents to the US Constitution and democracy. Just like a lot of other, older people don’t get that.
That’s what makes the difference between a truth-teller and a campaigner…..campaigners always think the ends justify the means, and they are always willing to forgive the sins of their guy and look the other way.
Georgia Senate is interesting, could be a couple of runoffs.
Lets all be honest please. Trump has built his life on lies and cheating. Why would anyone expect anything else from him?
He cheated on all his wives.
He cheated his way out of serving his country
He cheated his way out of paying taxes (one of the reasons he is being investigated)
He cheated on his bankers (one of the reasons he is being investigated)
He lied about his grades (Yes because if you are top of your class you demand your grades never to be disclosed)
He cheated on his friends when it was advantageous for him
He cheated on the contractor who built his hotels
So considering that in this situation if he does not get elected he will be facing financial ruin and maybe jail. Why is anyone surprise that he is doing what he is doing?
Really how is it possible Mish that you just realize that he is a fraud and a disgrace to the US for what he just did? What would have been surprising (and out of character) is him NOT doing what he did.
This almost makes him look like a REAL politician !
Almost? He is a Chicago level politician.
I hail from a swing county in Michigan, Monroe , that has reliably predicted all but two elections since 1952, it missed 1968 and 2000. Monroe overwhelmingly voted for Trump this time, 61% to 37%
Third time is a charm.
Trump embodies the essence of the United States to many abroad.
There’s no separating the two.
He is a product of the country, like cheese to the French.
Really stinky cheese, if you ask me.
Worse possible outcome, this close a race after a guy like Trump lies at every turn. This will end badly. Starting today Trump will talk of fraud and how to remove the counting of absentee ballots.
Many or Trump’s points are relevant. When have you ever seen a State just decide to stop counting votes? That is far more embarrassing and portending to fraud than a President just tweeting his thoughts.
Do you mean “many OF Trump’s points are IRRELEVANT”
Sorry for bad typing. I have a new laptop and I’m not yet used to the keyboard.
They stop when there aren’t enough remaining votes to change the outcome. Happens every election.
All votes are counted.
Why are you spreading LIES?
The questions in this election are the things that look like vote fraud in Michigan and Wisconsin and PA and AZ.
Tomorrow then…or maybe before the day is over. I don’t think Trump can stop the process.
Look for him to take over for Rush.
If Trump wins WI and GA, or WI and MI it’s over
The SC will not even hear Trump’s case.
You mean if Biden wins those, right?
Trump is nowhere smart enough to do Rush’s job.
One would think…..it would be a different show…but both of them, Rush and The Donald, are basically sh*t-stirrers…and Trump is good at that part.
From jail?
Maybe….North Dakota just elected a dead guy to the state legislature. 🙂
But no….I’m genuinely concerned Trump might get a bully pulpit on TV. If he goes to jail, then it probably won’t be a problem. I can hope….
I’m not as sure as Glenn Kirschner that Trump is headed for jail…but if he is, it’s in state court in NY. They are definitely gunning for him as soon as he abdicates…er, leaves office.
Guessing Biden will win PA as well in another squeaker
There’s additional upside for Biden, as well.
–most remaining eday votes are PHI/burbs
–mail ballots can arrive after the election, and wouldn’t be counted here
–also worth wondering whether these tally include election day drop box ballots?
And yes, Trump is a fraud and a liar and dangerous…….just as I’ve said all along. His reprehensible behavior last night (glad I missed it) is just one more example of his deeply flawed character and his overriding narcissism.
NYT: Green Bay update: Biden picked up 4,000 votes on Trump there with the absentee counting, per the Brown County clerk. Once it gets uploaded to AP, Biden will lead Wisconsin by about 11,000 votes with Kenosha still outstanding.
Sounds like Biden will eke it out. I hope that doesn’t result in chaos.
Meal Team Six is preparing to deploy….
I expect a Biden win in MI
“With millions of votes yet to be counted, President Trump falsely asserted election fraud, pledged to mount a legal challenge to official state results and made a premature claim of victory.”
WaPo
If only the MSM had been this honest in it’s “reporting” about WMD in Iraq, Russia hacked the DNC/poisoned some folks etc etc etc, Assad gassed his own people…on and on and on but I’ll stop there.