Bipartisan Vote 232 to 197
Ten Republicans joined all House Democrats in charging president with Inciting Riot at U.S. Capitol.
“We know that the president of the United States incited this insurrection, this armed rebellion, against our country,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said. “He must go—he is a clear and present danger to the nation that we all love.”
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) said Mr. Trump “bears responsibility” for the Capitol riot but said he opposed impeachment, calling for censure instead. “A vote to impeach would further divide this nation, a vote to impeach will further fan the flames, the partisan division,” he said.
The 10 votes from the minority party are the most for any presidential impeachment, topping the five cast by Democrats for some articles in the 1998 Bill Clinton impeachment.
Republicans Voting For Impeachment
- Liz Cheney of Wyoming
- Anthony Gonzalez of Ohio
- Jaime Herrera Beutler of Washington
- Dan Newhouse of Washington
- John Katko of New York
- Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
- Peter Meijer of Michigan
- Tom Rice of South Carolina
- Fred Upton of Michigan
- David Valadao of California
Cheney is the No. 3 House Republican. She was the only member of her party’s leadership to back impeachment.
Trial in the Senate
The Constitution states a trial in the Senate will commence the next day. However, the Senate is in recess and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has stated the trial will be after January 20.
Constitutional Issue
This raises a Constitutional issue because Trump will already be removed. Biden becomes president on the 20th.
What’s the Point?
Following conviction, the Senate has an option of banning Trump from office. That only takes a 50% vote which would happen easily.
What About McConnell?
McConnell is mum on whether he would vote to convict. I believe he would.
Another reason to delay the vote is to wait for the two new Democratic Senators from Georgia to be sworn in.
That makes 50 automatic votes for impeachment. If McConnell want to take out Trump, and I believe he does, he needs to come up with the votes.
Can McConnell come up with the votes?
If McConnell openly supports conviction, I believe it will be a signal that he has the votes even if we cannot now name the Senators.
Mish
Okay now Mish and his followers have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Good luck.
Trump took an oath to protect against enemies foreign and domestic. Last week there was a dometic threat and he did nothing to stop it.
I think Trump is being very brave ! He must be very much aware of several swords of Damocles hanging above his head yet he refuses to budge on his convictions, he refuses to kiss ass(es) to save his own…..Like I said BRAVE, I had never expected this from a guy like him…..Admirable stance …Yep !
What a hero!
I hope you’re getting paid well to say this. Others are.
I think at some point you will see that what looks like bravery is mostly just arrogance. Trump is one of the most arrogant people who ever lived, imho.
This is a major setback for USA. The message sent, if you look a little deeper, is that if you are not a political insider forget about trying to run for office especially an office that really matters. We will hound you from day one and impeach you whenever we can search your closets and try to humiliate you beyond belief.
We need a change in Washington so Trump was not the guy, but he showed that someone from the outside could run and win what a positive for the US. We are not going to find the change we need by electing tenured Politicians.
outsider seems to mean a person with no expereince, establishment should mean experience but somehow it’s not perceived that way. if the nation wanted a businessman it should have been someone with true organizational skills such as an alan mulally who successfully ran and turned around Boeing and Ford. We’ve had non-politicl leaders before such as Eisenhower. Trump was never an outsider. He was a con man.
No, Trump was always a con-man, chiseling, cheating, scamming and lying his way through life. The person he cared most about was himself, himself, himself, and then Ivanka.
The mass delusion of thinking Trump was a straight-shooting truth-teller was bound to be disappointed. His followers eagerly ate up anything he put out, but you can’t expect everyone else to ignore reality.
That is the story of this administration
Trump has still not told his supporters the election was fair, congratulated Joe Biden, say Biden won fairly or pledge his support to make the Biden administration a success.
Too much to ask? I don’t think so. Finally a week after January 6th and after he gets impeached he puts out a video. Trump’s just trying to save his ass.
Bases on what happened and the lack of any contrition he needs to face consequences. We need to send a message to the history books and future generations.
BEIJING — Mainland China on Thursday reported the first new Covid-19 death since May as authorities try to control a spike in cases just outside of Beijing.
Amazing they have only had one death in 7 months. I guess they somehow have more natural immunity to COVID-19 than the rest or the world?
Maybe we should ve bought THEIR vaccine ??
….BLATANT LIES don t kill either …..that s obvious!
Five people died on January 6th because of Trump’s blatant lies.
I think that these statistics are more complicated, at least from what I can see here in France: Big number of deaths caused by covid, but almost zero from flu (this never happened before), much less deaths from cancer and heart diseases. It seems that a death is declared “caused by covid” if the dead person has been infected by covid. Otherwise you could conclude that covid heals cancer. Going further and examining the total deaths numbers, you don’t see a real change in 2020. The worst recent month death number was in 2017 (not in 2020), caused by flu (and I did not even notice this in 2017).
Looks like not just Trump may be in legal jeopardy.
Even if McConnell does not have the votes, the point is to stand up for what is right. No one with a brain believes or has evidence that the election was stolen. This is the biggest problem for the Rethuglican party going forward. They have turned into a party of conspiracy theorists and thugs who resort to violence even against government when they cannot put together a cogent argument on any issue. I suspect at some point a politician or two gets knocked off by one of these terrorists. They are domestic terrorists to a tee and many of them will spend the rest of their lives in federal prison. The Republicans no longer have a leg to stand on on any issue because of Trump. The Republican party needs to remake itself. It has turned into the party of the Confederate states of America. Even the name Republican is going to repulse many people for years to come after Trump.
Yes – for all practical purposes we are a one party country now. As Arnold says, lets support and unify behind our new president Biden and hope he does well. There are many, both inside and outside the country that want to see our system fail – there is no room for this. We need to work from within the system to make it stronger and better. This also means a strong and just judicial system, and holding people to account.
Even the Washington Times is reporting Trump may be a flight risk after noon on January 20th.
If I were him I’d be on the next flight to Saudi Arabia to cash in on those F-35’s.
Let’s file some charges and find out.
Again a great article in Charles Hugh Smith blog : ” Is 2021 an Echo of 1641?”
extract:
“10-With so many loyalties in play–local, regional, linguistic, political, social, religious and economic–each node / faction seeks to decisively cement loyalties by establishing all-or-nothing hard lines via ideologically “pure” rhetoric that demonizes competing factions, effectively dividing the populace into us-and-them camps that leave little middle ground for compromise or negotiation.”
It will be interesting to see the evolution of present conflicts together with the economic disaster that is coming.
I think McConnell has the power to bury Trump. I think Trump’s very public slagging of Pence and McConnell won’t be sitting well. With Elaine Chao sitting over the dinner table McConnell could be in a combative frame of mind. Possibly……
Well, if somebody does give the go-ahead to take Trump down, I hope they do it while eating “the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake you’ve ever seen”!
And the Senate will not hear the case. We all watch the news. What is your point?
I think proving intent to incite insurrection is difficult. There’s no doubt his utter failure to act to restore calmness and “LAW AND ORDER ” (imagine his different reaction if it had been BLM folk) was a dereliction of his Presidential oath. I wish the charges were more about his inaction rather than a possibly futile attempt to ascribe motive. Commonsense says his whole endless BS about electoral fraud fomenting the backdrop but commonsense and law often diverge….
I mean yeah, thats right, co splay riot.
On the otherhand, I’d like to see a fight between that guy and you. I think he would shut you up real quick, internet tough guy.
Please delete this, posted in the wrong place.
Well, we know it’ll never happen even if we wanted it to.
Say hi to your mother for me.
Let it stretch out in the schedule a year and a half until mid-term.
Wait for the full investigation and report is issued on the whole process from election day until post-inauguration.
Let’s see what turns up if Guiliani and associated lawyers are disbarred. Lets see what cooperation between there was between politicians and rioters.
Lets see whatever nonsense Trump tries to get up to. Lets see the indictments from the various pending lawsuits.
There is time now.
I wrote the same thing. Sechel disagrees. We shall see … if we’re thinking about it, they are.
The trial should delayed for months if not a year. More articles should be added. The trial needs to be an all-encompassing expose of all of the crimes of the Trump Administration, its lawyers, donors, media, et. al. By stretching it out for months, Trump’s legal bills will run in the $10s if not $100s of millions.
If Trump can’t be removed before his term expires, then there is no need to rush, no time limit at all.
Get it ALL on the record.
keep it as simple as possible so that the country can understand . this needn’t take a long time. my fear is that by delaying they lose the momentum.
“… Trump’s legal bills will run in the $10s if not $100s of millions.”
In the news tonight, Trump’s going with Giuliani, my personal guess on Giuliani’s recent years’ spastic behavior, Putin has kompromat on him.
It’s the only thing I can think would explain his desperate, erratic plummet, He completely demolished his life long hard earned credibility, he used to be someone.
That would explain it. 9/11 made that man.
Good idea. I like it. They should spend the next two years on this, to the exclusion of everything else.
That RINO list correlates well with war mongering.
Peter Meijer explains why he voted for impeachment. He’s one of the Republican Congressmen that supported. His rationale may be key to getting Republican Senators on board.
“I was in the House chamber when it was being attacked a week ago today. That was a moment that called for leadership. I was hoping to see the President rapidly try to de-escalate, try to denounce, try to stop the violence from occurring, and he abandoned his post,” Meijer, a Michigan freshman lawmaker told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.
So what are the pros and cons if the senate votes on impeachment after trump leaves office. For republicans in the senate. How about trump. Puts trump in a corner. If he has left office he cant resign and avoid conviction or pardon himself.
Not impressed by Meijer, who is just in the lucky position of not having had time to get on the Trump train.
Open Letter to the Revolutionaries:
Let’s grant that you overthrow the US Government.
What then? What’s your plan?
I have an open mind, please sell the Revolution to me.
Doesn’t seem like the Police think there was a revolutionary plan to over throw the government.
This Firefighter who took part is only being charged with unlawful entry and disorderly conduct. Nothing in there about planning to over throw the government.
Oh, so these guys are just cosplay pussies. Figures.
If he just entered after the doors were broken down, what do you think they will charge him with ? I think of the how many every thousand were there that that day, only a few hundred were working together to kill Senators and the VP. But that is bad enough. Who were they encouraged by to do this ?
So, the first rule of revolutions is: show up with guns and ammo. Wandering the halls of the Capitol admiring the art works is a different program. I believe Antifa runs some training classes.
Cool. So there’s no plan. Just hijinks crafted toward 20-year prison terms. Looking at Wednesday’s freak show that’s understandable. Also understandable why there’s so much sympathy from the ZH crowd.
Of course there’s no talk of civil war from the right-wing militias. None at all. Fucking FBI, can’t believe a word from them.
You saw their playbook. Invade the capitol, never know where you need to go to do your most dastardly deeds, then mill about, smear feces all over, chant USA and Our House and call it a day.
And chant “Hang Mike Pence” and bring a gallows and bludgeon a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher.
How do we know that wasn’t feces left there by congressmen departing the area after having the shit scared out of them?
Could be Antifa Agent Provocateur shit….did anybody check to see if it’s vegan?
Where was OJ Simpson during all this?
So many claims that just don’t hold up to careful scrutiny by investigative reporters from ZH and the Bait Gays Pundit and all your better sources.
Never in a court of justice would 130 Republicans who signed onto a scheme to overturn the election be allowed to serve as jurors on a trial to declare impeachment. These are not unbiased jurors. They were co-conspirators. If one wanted to be generous you could say that while they signed onto a scheme to over-turn a valid election they never approved of the violence. Either way I find ten republicans joining in quite successful.
Shame now that Freedom caucus members insistent on doing Trump’s business want to now strip Liz Cheney of her leadership role. 10 Republicans is still far higher than what they got on the last impeachment.
All but 10 GOP Reps are in favor of defending insurrection. Unbelievable.
I thought it might only be Trump who is an Enemy of American Democracy, but it might be most of the GOP if they can’t be bothered to fulfill their oath to defend the Constitution.
give them a break . they signed onto the scheme with Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley.
Part of me now wonders where they got their money from. In England, judges are on the take from Putin’s oligarchs who live there. It isn’t impossible most of the Republicans doing this are on the take somehow from Putin’s oligarchs or Putin himself. Trump has let Putin infiltrate the system and put democracy into question. Exactly what he wanted.
The Invention—and Reinvention—of Impeachment
It’s the ultimate political weapon. But we’ve never agreed on what it’s for.
It’s pretty amazing Democrats got 10. That’s a very high number considering 130 House Republicans signed onto the scheme of invalidating the 2020 election.