Trump Offers “Dreamers” Immigration Compromise: Price Too High?

Can we morally kick out all the ‘unproductive’ immigrants?

“Illegals come here for free benefits.” A minor factor. We should radically scale back the “free benefits,” to enable more immigration, and for many other reasons. But immigrants come here to escape persecution or destitution or starvation — or, at best, just for opportunity. You don’t put your kids to sea in an overloaded, barely afloat raft for a welfare check. You don’t hand them over to a coyote, to cross the desert, for the privilege to a county emergency room when you get the flu. Free stuff doesn’t draw normally draw one from the land of your parents – desperation or ambition does.

It is amazing America could even feed itself, get meat to market or build a house without the illegals that started coming here in the 1980s. Oh wait – WE MANAGED TO DO THAT for 200 YEARS. Stop with far left foolish memes.

“Mexicans do this work!”

I have to admit there is truth to the genocide part. The ONLY countries in the world today that get a lot of immigration, are Caucasian majority nations (USA, Canada, Western Europe, NZ, Aus). Whites have low birth rates. Couple that with high rates of non white immigration, and higher birth rates among immigrants, and you do not have to be a mathematician to realize that in 100 yrs whites will be a small minority in many places they were once a large majority. Whites were once 80% of US no long ago, now 60% and in 25 years will be <50%. And most of that 50% left will be old folks. This will mean loss of voting and political power.

Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for everyone IS White Genocide.
Its a crime, not a policy option.

My country was my home, now its a hotel, and they think I’m going to be a waiter.

It’s time to let diversity™ be somebody else’s strength.

The solution is simple. Allow those into the country that will work and pay taxes. We have a bunch of lazy millennials who will not engage in “hard work” of any kind. Those hungry immigrants are what built our country originally. The immigrants should also be disqualified from collecting welfare for a number or years until they prove their ability to contribute. The DACA people should be given a path to citizenship as long as no criminal records exist and they are not living off welfare.

Agree in some respect” SOME come for free benefits. Most/all come for opportunities – same as always has been.

Less Mexican immigration will definitely be inflationary to construction labor costs. I have heard they are 50%+ of our construction labor. The white population is shrinking in USA (and world), average ages much older, and the few young whites don’t go into the trades as much. Asians do not go into the trades (ever seen an Asian construction crew???). Indians do not. I almost never see a African American or African immigrant on a construction site. I do see lots of African immigrant uber drivers though. Mexicans do this work! And I credit them for it, it is hard, hard work and they are not afraid of it. 12 hrs in the sun putting roofs on housing, framing, etc… Not sure who is going to pick up that slack. Maybe automation? Modular building and 3D printing requiring less labor?

The libertarian in me wants to get rid of welfare. The realist in me believes we never will.

Mish, as a country we will never get rid of the safety nets. As a libertarian I think we should reduce them greatly. So I look as the wall as the only way to reduce mass illegal immigration, and save money in the long run. Just look up how much illegal immigration costs the US a year.

Prediction: By the time this has worked its way through the sausage factory, the “path to citizenship” will have become a “path to permanent legal resident alien status”. And to qualify (in addition to clean record, English proficiency, etc), the Dreamer will have to prove that the criminal parents who brought them into the US illegally have left the country, with a permanent bar against ever returning. Since Democrats are interested only in adding reliable dumb voters, they will kill the bill. But since Democrats have also now found out that, outside their bubble, 4 out of 5 citizens want to see tighter immigration, the Wall will get built.

“Could the wall be a very expensive way to fix a problem of the 80’s, 90′, ’00’s but is not that accute anymore?”
My take as well

The problem with the wall is that it attacks a symptom of a problem. Illegals come here for free benefits. Is the problem illegal aliens or is the problem free benefits, free education, free healthcare, etc.?