Anyone expecting president trump to reach across the aisle tonight or for Nancy Pelosi to accept the measure if he did, were mistaken.
President Trump delivered a strong speech but very divisive STOTU Tuesday Evening. Here is a complete replay.
At the outset, Trump appeared to rebuff House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s attempt at a handshake (22:30 mark), but it’s difficult to say if that was intentional.
Democrats will never stop extending the hand of friendship to get the job done #ForThePeople. We will work to find common ground where we can, but will stand our ground where we cannot. #SOTU pic.twitter.com/ELJqR9q4xD
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) February 5, 2020
Towards the end of his speech Pelosi ripped a copy of the speech in a first ever event.
Division in America
There will be mud and animosity from here on out.
Some of the commentators, even on Fox News, expected some small olive branches from Trump, but it was “In You Face” all the way including ridiculous praise of Rush Limbaugh by Trump, sure to annoy any fence-sitting moderates.
Trump called Limbaugh “the greatest fighter and winner that you will ever meet. Thank you for your decades of tireless devotion to our country,” Trump said.
CBS News senior political analyst John Dickerson said, “Not only did the president not shake the speaker’s hand, she did not say the traditional words, ‘it’s my high privilege and distinct honor to introduce the president.’ You saw there it was an absolutely split evening. The division in America was out there for all to see.”
Feeble Democratic Response
The democrat response delivered by Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was lame, totally boring.
Very Poor Start for Democrats
Iowa was a disaster for the Democrats as the moderates are even more split than Bernie and Warren.
If the election were tomorrow, I would bet on Trump.
However, it’s not tomorrow, so we have to see how this unfolds. I doubt if the divisive tactics that got Trump in are what will keep him there. And there is still a very good chance of a recession.
Also, Trump is clearly overplaying the base in the praise of Limbaugh. This will not win moderates. The base can hardly be more energized.
Regardless, this is a very poor start of the national campaign for the Democrats, and a good one for Trump.
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After 2016, the Democrats focused, laser-like, even before the inaugural, on impeaching Trump over an ever-shifting, never-proven Russia-adjacent “collusion” narrative driven by anonymous leaks from the intelligence community, which we were constantly assured would bring about Trump’s impeachment, or even his imprisonment. link to telldunkin.me
Many in the media expected Trump to act in a conciliatory manner. They are delusional. Previous Republicans have ‘offered olive branches to the opposition’. Invariably that was seen as ‘weakness’. Democrats only demanded more. Trump has learned that lesson from the past. Republican voters seem to know what is going on and support just such an unapologetic stance.
The real issue is politicians kept stretching the truth for years. Now they get upset at Trump because of it ? The same was true with Republicans getting mad at Obama SOTU (anyone remember the Republican congressman yelling out “you lie” during an Obama SOTU?) This is all been a slippery slope for awhile now and it will end as it always does – with a whimper and not a bang. Bread and circuses and smartphones to keep everyone occupied.
Trumps not perfect but he is great compared to the one party system that the swamp creatures are running in DC and it becomes clearer every day how bad it has been over last 50 years of the scoundrels running things, both parties are one and of the same . The administrative state or deep state hate Trump he was not part of their group and was not approved by them . How dare the people elect someone outside the establishment. Trump is exposing how bad the corruption is in DC and if people can’t see it well they just can’t see . All these kids of the representative getting rich preferred jobs ect open your eyes people !! Our government is corrupt to the bone
Agree. It is the pot calling the kettle black. Truth be told we should have more private citizens run for office and not career politicians.
FWIW, Buttigieg looks like Michael Dukakis. He could literally be his son.
There is little doubt Trump voters likely changed parties for the Iowa primary and voted for Sanders. They will do this in states where they can and try and help select Sanders, a vowed socialist, as the Democratic party nominee. Trump would have little trouble winning against Sanders in that scenario.
Sorry dude the Dems do and have done the same thing. See Murkowski Alaska . Feinstein helped organize the Dems to vote in the repuplican primary because she was going to lose to a more conservative candidate . The republicans in Alaska had had enough but the dems voted heavy to save her. Then Diane put the pressure on her to vote against Kavenaugh calling in the favor in the Supreme court nominee vote
You are correct sir ! Obama voters did this in 2012. My point is in a Trump/Sanders scenario, there is literally very little chance Trump doesn’t win unless the economy is as bad as it was in 2007/2008.
You underestimate the young adult vote behind Sanders. Consider reading this article:
The Center Cannot Hold
Bernie Sanders’s strong showing in Iowa is a turning point in the battle between the party’s establishment and left wing.
Elizabeth Bruenig
Feb. 4, 2020, 6:12 p.m. ET
In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter in mid-January, Hillary Clinton said she considered Bernie Sanders unaccomplished and unlikable, with few friends on Capitol Hill. Then, last Friday, as though sensing the controversy generated by her remarks had faded all too quickly, Mrs. Clinton appeared on the liberal-minded podcast “Your Primary Playlist” to accuse Senator Sanders of failing to do enough to unite the party behind her candidacy after her primary win in 2016.
Mrs. Clinton was not alone in her apparently rising anxiety. Near the end of last month, the centrist think tank Third Way released a memo all but begging Iowans not to vote for Mr. Sanders. The former Democratic nominee John Kerry was reportedly overheard on Sunday contemplating several strategies to stop Mr. Sanders from taking the nomination. Meanwhile, Democratic National Committee members are considering shifts in convention rules tailored to hobble Mr. Sanders’s chances.
It is fair to conclude that the Democratic Party’s center is panicking, and it is now fair to conclude that it has good cause: With 62 percent of Iowa caucus results in, Mr. Sanders leads the popular vote, with 26.3 percent. He trails former Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., in state delegates by a slim margin. But with Mr. Buttigieg struggling in primary polls in New Hampshire and Nevada, it seems unlikely his campaign has the kind of momentum that could lead to the nomination. Thus, the greater Iowa upset is that heir apparent Vice President Joe Biden is a distant fourth. With Mr. Biden’s front-runner status compromised, Mr. Sanders emerges from Iowa as a formidable candidate — without establishment imprimatur.
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Yes. I believe that and the Trump voters in some states may give Sanders more delegates then he otherwise would get.
It seems to me that Pelosi is the biggest problem in Washington DC today. Not the Democratic Party, not Trump, not the deep state. Nancy Pelosi has got to go. If Trump (actually any Republican) came out tomorrow with a comprehensive way to reverse climate change, that everyone said would solve the problem and not impact the economy, she’d be against it just because of who came up with it.
A fun waste of time is to look back at what she said about Bush II and how the rhetoric hasn’t changed at all. In fact the only thing that seems different this time is that the botox injections might be going a little too deep.
2.1% gdp is nothing to brag about. Especially when you needed a FFR of 1.5% to do it along with more liquidity programs from the Fed. The next time down will be ugly. 30T debt ahead.
I just watched this. No, I don’t think Trump meant to purposely snub her, he just handed over those things to his vp and Pelosi in the same manner and turned around to get his speech done. As for her tearing up the papers, yeah, that’s childish. Especially since she knew she was being watched. Her time is over.
I consider myself a moderate type, and don’t really go for extreme politics in either direction. That said, the whole Limbaugh thing really meant nothing to me. He’s not THAT influential to those of us in the middle and we don’t care about rants. Personally, I think he’s another washed up figure who used to command respect. Used to.
“Especially since she knew she was being watched.“
That was her Hollywood moment to shine. Her base of “you go gurl” voters are going to remember that moment forever. I’m sure she didn’t come up with it on a whim, it was far to scripted.
Myself aside, I know of no one perfectly qualified to be president and I’ll even go so far as to predict there will never be one. To compensate, we need a functioning two party system to facilitate the airing of all the imperfect candidates. Recently, the Democrats seem intent on destroying one man…with a circular firing squad.
I just saw a video clip of James Carville griping about the Democrat candidates,”…voting from their jail cells, no borders, come on people, there are lots of people in this country hurting…”
Never thought I’d agree with slick Jimmy on anything, but he’s nailed this one.
The Donald has them in such a screeching rage that they can’t even do simple arithmetic on a winter’s evening in Iowa.
Nancy started it with her shortened, less welcoming version of the usual introduction. Her “tear it up” performance at the end was like bookends. She behaved like a spiteful old bitch. Oh wait, she is a spiteful old bitch. Never mind.
Our government has completed the transition to moronic reality show that the sponsors control.
Admitting that he is perhaps too jaundiced: Working on the assumption that acts, once not impeached, are no longer not in scope for future impeachment, Pelosi, in 2006, did not impeach Bush for taking the country to war in Iraq, for his warrantless surveillance program (multiple felonies; destruction of the Fourth Amendment), or for torture (prohibited by international treaties, hence the law of the land). The Republicans did not impeach Obama for whacking a US cititzen with a drone strike and no due process. After 2016, the Democrats focused, laser-like, even before the inaugural, on impeaching Trump over an ever-shifting, never-proven Russia-adjacent “collusion” narrative driven by anonymous leaks from the intelligence community, which we were constantly assured would bring about Trump’s impeachment, or even his imprisonment. When that Democrat effort ignominiously collapsed with Hero Of The Resistance™ Mueller’s damp squib of Congressional testimony, the new Ukraine narrative miraculously appeared, articles of impeachment were instantly prepared, followed by several weeks of delay in delivering them to the Senate, followed by complaints that the Republicans would not call the witnesses that the Democrats themselves should have called. (Comic interlude: The uncalled Bolton boosting his pre-sales at Amazon.) Utterly predictably, given both their credibility and Republican venality, the Democrats than lost the impeachment vote in the Senate, thereby cementing Trump’s “abuse of power” into precedent. (To be fair, the Democrats may make a few 2020 Senate races more difficult for the Republicans than before.) So, let’s review: From 2006, due primarily to sins of omission or commission by Democrats, Presidents are not accountable for: (1) Fake intelligence leading to war, (2) felonies, (3) war crimes, (4) assassinating US citizens (this is down to the Republicans), and (5) abuse of power. Oh, and (6) epic levels of personal corruption, since Democrats did not impeach Trump over the emoluments clause, setting another precedent. And Sorkin bleats on about “degrading Presidential accountability”? Welcome to Planet Earth
Awe poor snowflake Pelosi. Maybe she should take a break and go to Disneyworld with AOC, Greta and David Hogg(not sure if he’s really a kid).
Speaking of AOC? Did they finally realize how bad she’s making them look and told her to stay the hell away from the camera?
2012 redux,clearly ineffective (useless)incumbent( pretending)selling his policies and hoping the govt dependent masses buy his newspeak and bs.But after Obama got relected after doing virtually nothing for 4 years except run up dept and hand out welfare checks and with the bar set so ridiculously low,could Trump sneak in the back door for another term?
The strangest State of the Union ever
Trump zigs to the right, zags to the center in a speech that broke all the rules.
02/05/2020
President Donald Trump likes his superlatives and you have to give him credit: He definitely earned them this time.
This was the most defiant, most boastful, most ostentatiously theatrical, most overtly campaign-oriented, most am-I-hearing-this-right? outlandish—the most flamboyantly bizarre—State of the Union Address of All Time.
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It’s a good thing I don’t give these SOTU addresses. I haven’t watched one in at least 15 years and I’m assuming Trump was far more verbose than me and pretended everything is awesome. I would use a Q&A format that would take around a minute:
Good evening everyone, thank you to all of my esteemed blue team and red team colleagues present, let’s get started. Are the central bankers still running our country and the world, more or less?
The crowd murmurs and nods
They are? Alright, is the MIC still running amok around the world in support of said bankers and to enrich themselves with funding largesse?
Lots of affirmative head nodding
It is? Okay, the SOTU is precarious and we’re one year closer to squandering every advantage we have enjoyed in the post-WW2 era. Everyone in this chamber should be deeply ashamed and history will certainly view us as failures. With that, our work here is concluded. Good night everybody!
Here’s my summary of the State of the Union.
We have a criminal in the presidency, a corrupt Senate that has forgotten they oath they swore to “support and defend the Constitution”, a weak economy forced the Federal Reserve to cut already low interest rates on THREE different occasions in 2019 and the low unemployment rate was achieved by simply neglecting to count millions of unemployed people. Global warming continues to accelerate, the EPA relaxed pollution regulations making everyone subject to a dirtier environment, homelessness continues to rise across the country and the number of people w/o health insurance is again rising under President Trump. And that is just the headlines. It gets much worse when you look at the details.
You are funny.
So everyone except the Dems are criminal, corrupt, weak. You need to check your green-tinted glasses. All hail the great Dems! /sarc
….So therefore, we must double down and hand more power to the same people and organizations which brought us here. Always more power to them.
I lost my doctor under Obamacare and my premiums more than doubled when he stated seven times on National news that will not happen! You are an idiot and I am better off under TRUMP!
I BELIEVE IN COMMON SENSE GREEN ENERGY AND SELL GREEN PRODUCTS AND EVEN INVENTED SOME COMING TO MARKET! NOBODY HAS MADE A CORRECT PREDICTION IN ANY DOOM AND GLOOM SAYERS PREDICTIONS ON THE ENVIRONMENT, NOT ONE OF 42, HAS COME TRUE, PLUS THE NASA FUDGING OF THE FIGURES! Hal Bore stated the California coastline would be wiped out by over 10-12 feet of rising ocean by 2020??? ONE HALF INCH AT BEST! I guess he was talking about the upcoming earthquakes CAUSING TSUNAMIS! The earth is greener that it was in 1917, and it is a simple solution , more sensible green energy and 1 billion trees! Plant plants in your house! Natural oxygen producers! I JUST PLANTED SEVENTEEN! Scientists just found out trees and plants store C-02 below their roots. if they do not use it breaks down. Nature has a way. Remember China and India will not stop producing greenhouse gasses. If we go green, China go overrun us with carbon fueled vehicles. In other words, the solar tank is no match, all they have to do is run over the solar panels it is dragging to get the power it needs. We still cannot even recycle the solar batteries in hybrids that really do nothing for the environment in the first place and the additional cost eats up your fuel savings, they actually do more harm to the environment over time. HEY, YOU MISSED IT IS NOW GLOBAL COOLING SINCE THE SUN IS GOING INTO A SOLAR MINIMUM HIBERNATION! We have had 300 cold temperatures records in the last FEW WEEKS! More records coming! Ha! I do not want to waste 20 trillion to save one degree in the oceans, they want to tax us and steal our money so they can keep their power. We could use this money to feed the starving people well over10 years. A noble goal! So, you and Greta can go to the beach and pound sand up your butt, that would be better than what you are doing lying.