“Frankly, We Did Win This Election,” Said Trump
And as far as I am concerned, the moon is really purple.
It Trump made such a claim, his supporters would find some rationale to believe it.
Let’s take a vote on a purple moon and Trump gets to decide.
There Was a Loser Last Night
Please consider There Was a Loser Last Night. It Was America.
We have just experienced four years of the most divisive and dishonest presidency in American history, which attacked the twin pillars of our democracy — truth and trust. Donald Trump has not spent a single day of his term trying to be president of all the people, and he has broken rules and trashed norms in ways that no other president ever dared — right up to Tuesday night, when he falsely claimed election fraud and summoned the Supreme Court to step in and stop the voting, as if such a thing were even remotely possible.
“The tactically unique thing about Trumpism is that it never even tries to get the support of the majority of Americans. So the G.O.P. will continue with the strategy of using every legal, but democratically deeply harmful, way to control power even though most Americans vote against them — like the way they just crammed through two Supreme Court justices.”
The Only Middle Finger Available
On October 26, Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review accurately explained Trump is The Only Middle Finger Available.
If Trump manages to pull off an upset in 2020, it will be as a gigantic rude gesture directed at the commanding heights of American culture.
No one is voting for his barely sketched-out second-term agenda.
Trump is, for better or worse, the foremost symbol of resistance to the overwhelming woke cultural tide that has swept along the media, academia, corporate America, Hollywood, professional sports, the big foundations, and almost everything in between.
He’s the vessel for registering opposition to everything from the 1619 Project to social media’s attempted suppression of the Hunter Biden story.
To put it in blunt terms, for many people, he’s the only middle finger available — to brandish against the people who’ve assumed they have the whip hand in American culture.
Trump’s Last Big Lies
In one Tweet Trump said “We are up BIG, but they are trying to STEAL the Election. We will never let them do it. Votes cannot be cast after the Polls are closed!”
Then in his 2:30 “victory” speech, Trump announced a win.
A sitting US president claiming he has already won the election and ‘fraud’ has been committed, while millions of ballots are still being counted in the #USElection https://t.co/9wT0TmfAL1
— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) November 4, 2020
A Fraud and a Disgrace
In response, I commented Trump is a Fraud and a Disgrace to the United States.
Trump’s Last Big Lies
The New Yorker comments Trump’s Brief Speech from the White House Made America’s Troubles Worse.
When Donald Trump came out to speak just before 2:30 a.m. on Wednesday, votes were still being counted in enough states—notably Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
Trump, standing in front of a phalanx of flags, claimed that the vote count had been “called off” because he won; that is not true on either count. He said that his lead in those swing states was insurmountable, which is also false, and that when “they”—he didn’t really identify “they,” except as “a very sad group of people”—realized that he was winning, they had swooped in to perpetrate “a fraud on the American public.” In saying this, he was lying to the American public.
Trump complained that “everything just stopped,” while also declaring that he would be going to the Supreme Court, because “we want all voting to stop.”
Tragedy of Character
Why was it even in Trump’s own interest to say such things? When he spoke, there was a fair chance that he was the legitimate winner; by the morning, Biden’s chances had improved, but the results are much closer than the polling had suggested.
Trump’s continued hold on the votes and imaginations of so many Americans suggests that his Presidency represents not just a tragedy but a national crisis of character.
Ultimately, Voters Gave Trump the Middle Finger
Trump lost because enough people were sick of him, his lies, his race baiting xenophobia, and protectionism.
Yet, the majority of Trump supporters were not only willing to overlook all that, they cheer him on, including his victory speech lies.
Let’s be honest. Few wanted Biden. Fewer still wanted Harris. This was all about Trump. It was the election he wanted and got.
Ultimately, voters gave Trump the middle finger, but barely.
Thanks to that middle-finger vote, this will be the last set of big lies from Trump, at least as president.
Mish
“attacked the twin pillars of our democracy — truth and trust….broken rules and trashed norms…..will continue with the strategy of using every legal, but democratically deeply harmful, way to control power even though most Americans vote against them — “
Pretty much sums up how Republicans feel about Pelosi & crew, the young Socialist pushers, & their self righteous supporters so pull in your halo & realize you’re not here to judge or to play God
This one is for FibsonJoeJoe and the rest of the Republican conspiracy theorists……
I think Biden is a one term President and Harris never wins an election
Trump lost the NY Post
Trump is about to lose Georgia. Pennsylvania will turn Biden at around 4 a.m. at the current rate. I still disagree that Biden takes North Carolina. He will get Arizona and Nevada
That last comment of mine was intended for eu223.
I suggest you don’t post when you’re that drunk. Both your replies were just partisan nonsense. I’m a centrist. As middle-of-the road as a dead armadillo..
If you don’t like or agree with Mish’s views then you don’t have to read his blog. I am sure there are plenty of right wing blogs that post articles more aligned with your political persuasion.
Jay Powell, the head of the Federal reserve, was appointed by Trump. As the head of the Federal Reserve he has proven to be nothing more than a Trump lackey.
Trump is not done with the Big Lie…..he’s still lying right out loud tonight…..calling legitimate early votes that have yet to be counted “illegal” and trash talking and trying to stir people up to reject the results of the election……it’s downright pathetic….
Mish, your economic commentary is good, but you should stay out of politics.
Democrats have been stealing elections since JFK. If you can’t admit there was sizeable fraud in swing states by the Dems, you’re not worth reading any longer.
Minorities swung to Trump in a historic way. He’s unlikable, but his agenda reflects family values, which Hispanics appreciate.
Family values like multiple divorces, bangin’ porn stars while your wife is with your new son, screwing your brother out of his inheritance, and thinking of how he’d date his daughter.
Great sarcastic joke!
In the last 20 years Republicans have lost the popular vote twice and still governed like they had a mandate from God. Who’s stealing elections again?
This blog turned lately to a congregation of leftards. Mish used to be all right until he turned into one too. Advising people to waste 1-2% of votes on obvious losers like Jorgensen as it turned out will give a nice life to “the American People”, to quote one of your new masters.
Go spend your time on 4chan then.
Instead of Trump, we should be laser focused on Murdochs and their radical right organizations, such as Fox News in US, Australias News Corp etc…
trump, trump, trump, trump…..it appears to be a bit of an obsession. It does not matter who sits in that chair; the guys that run this country today will be running it tomorrow.
A monkey could be president and one would never know the difference.
If you can’t tell the difference, you are probably a monkey.
Such a clever response. You can stow it where the monkey puts his nuts.
I sure wish this site would go back to objective financial analysis No one can talk about Trump without insulting his supporters who are half the US population.
not according to the popular vote
Way too close to half, though.
Haven’t heard@Mish talk about this. But it seems that polling is still broken. I’m very surprised that the polls at the state level.
The polls were suppression polls intended to cause Trump voters to lose hope and stay home instead of voting.
Suppression like Trump tweeting that vote by mail was illegal and that nobody would ever know who will win? Looks like Biden will be the presumpitive nominee within hours.
“Trump’s Final Big Lie and a Crisis of Character.” Mish, make sure you don’t fit the first word of your insult. If anything, you have been sorely deficient in predicting the Dem Party progress, and worse, insulting anyone and everyone who might have found some benefit or solace to the last four years.
It’s funny how your departure from the cesspool of US seemed to gin up your attacks on more conservative communities. I see this same behavior daily from the recent folks who leave California and NY for Denver, and now attack the natives.
Go back and save Illinois.
They need your help.
The GOP will never get away again in my lifetime with attacking the character of Democrat politicians. They will always be reminded of Trump if they do.
It’s what they do, and half the country loves it. They don’t have any other option.
The hammer is gonna come down on Trump soon.
Exclusive: Tired of Trump, Deutsche Bank games ways to sever ties with the president – sources
NEW YORK/FRANKFURT (Reuters) – Deutsche Bank AG is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.
Deutsche Bank has about $340 million in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons, according to filings made by Trump to the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in July and a senior source within the bank. The three loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according to two bank officials.
In meetings in recent months, a Deutsche Bank management committee that oversees reputational and other risks for the lender in the Americas region has discussed ways in which it could rid the bank of these last vestiges of the relationship, two of the three bank officials said. The bank has over the years lent Trump more than $2 billion, one of the officials said.
One idea that has come up in the meetings: sell the loans in the secondary market, two of the bank officials said. But one of the officials said that idea has not gained traction, in part because it is not clear who would want to buy the loans and the attendant problems that come with it.
While it was known that Deutsche Bank has been closely examining its relationship with Trump, including by setting up a working group in 2016 to review the bank’s relationship with him, its recent eagerness to end all ties and the contours of discussions in light of the election have not been previously reported.
Deutsche Bank declined to comment. The Trump Organization did not respond to requests for comment. The White House declined to comment.
WARREN’S WARNING
The German bank, which first started lending to Trump in the late 1990s, has been dragged into congressional and other investigations into the real estate mogul-turned-politician’s finances and alleged Russia connections.
The probes and the bad press, seen by one senior executive as “serious collateral damage” from the relationship, are an unwelcome distraction for the bank, the three officials said. It comes at a time when Chief Executive Christian Sewing is trying to turn Deutsche Bank around after its decades-long run at becoming a major Wall Street bank left it nursing huge losses.
Elizabeth Warren, a Democrat member of the Senate banking committee, has previously called for an investigation into Deutsche Bank over its money laundering controls and has demanded answers from the lender about its relationship with Trump and his family. She told Reuters that she intended to keep pushing for a probe in the next administration.
“You bet I’m going to continue to fight for accountability and strong enforcement of our banking laws, especially for giant institutions like Deutsche Bank,” she said.
What happens next for the bank rests on the outcome of Tuesday’s elections, according to the three bank officials.
If the Republican president loses, and Democrats take control of the White House and Congress, senior Deutsche Bank executives believe congressional investigations that have stalled amid a court battle over access to Trump’s financial records could be rejuvenated, the three bank officials said.
In this scenario, however, Deutsche Bank executives believe they will also have more freedom to deal with the loans and end their relationship with Trump, the officials said. They hope doing so might help reduce some of the scrutiny, they said.
DIFFERENT SCENARIOS
The loans, which are against Trump’s golf course in Miami, and hotels in Washington and Chicago, are such that the Trump Organization has only had to pay interest on them so far, and the entire principal is outstanding, two of the three bank officials said. They come due in 2023 and 2024, the filings show.
The businesses backing the loans face challenges. The coronavirus-driven economic slowdown has hit the travel industry, including hotels. Moreover, last month Reuters reported that Trump’s plan to make money by developing houses and hotels on his golf courses, including the one involving the Deutsche Bank loan, had not panned out so far.
The Deutsche Bankexecutives are not unduly concerned about Trump’s ability to repay the loans, given the president’s personal guarantees and the time left before they come due, the three bank officials said.
If Trump is not in office, Deutsche Bank executives feel that it would be easier for them to demand repayment, foreclose if he is not able to pay it off or refinance, or try to sell the loans, according to two of the three bank officials.
Since Trump has personally guaranteed all the loans, Deutsche Bank could also seize the president’s assets if he is unable to repay, two of the three bank officials said.
If Trump wins a second term, Deutsche Bank executives feel their options would be fewer, the three bank officials said. The bank wouldn’t want the negative publicity inherent with seizing assets from a sitting president and would likely extend the loans until he is out of office, two of the bank officials said.
The bottom line, the three bank officials said, is that the matter won’t be resolved until well after the election.
Mish, your comment system is mass removing my comments when I post proof about election fraud.
“Proof” lol.
It’s not his ‘comment system’ it’s his censorship.
It’s the ‘pants on your head-stupid bullshit’ filter.
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The only “proof” you’re posting is proof of your mental retardation.
I think the biggest lesson everyone learned this election is that most political polling is now dubious in it’s accuracy.
DOJ allows federal agents to enter counting locations to investigate claims of election fraud:
The totally independent not in any way beholden to Trump Dept of Justice that tried to be his defense legal team?
That DOJ?
Lorett Lynch with her Tarmac meeting of Bill Clinton was an embarrassment and was Eric Holder who was running guns to the Mexican cartels through Fast and Furious operation.
Compared to them AG Barr is meek and timid person who has NOT done enough to STOP the Democrat corruption.
You’re just an encyclopedia of horseshit, ain’t ya?
No matter the outcome, for most people, nothing will change in their lives. Poor will still be poor, wealthy will still be wealthy, and for those of us everywhere in-between will still grind out a living (and hopefully happy where you’re at). The bad policies of both Party’s will continue.
100% – Exactly. The notion this “new” ticket will fix anything seems like a stretch
Who is this imagined straw man who says a new administration will fix anything. Mish certainly has gone out of his way to say he doesn’t think that…and most people here who want Trump gone…..that is their overriding concern…that Trump be gone.
“Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy.”
― Franz Kafka
I do think we have to worry about that….what Kafka said….if and when we DO have a revolution….which is possible.
I worry about the rising tide of socialism….but remember that it didn’t spring up out of a vacuum.
It has arisen because working stiffs can’t make it in this country anymore……because the big money of multinational corporations has completely captured the entire government…which has resulted in the kind of breathtaking wealth inequality that is the fertile ground where seeds of revolution are planted.
But this here is just an election….it ain’t no revolution.
Yet you voted for Joe Biden who is Wall Street’s darling and has been on the take from banks since he sponsored the bankruptcy laws and creditcard laws that allowed huge interests and fees and predatory marketing of creditcards and which made student debt non-dischargeable in bankruptcy and resulted in banks giving much larger student loans which resulted in much higher tuition costs since more money was chasing the same goods and Hunter Biden got a well paid job at MBNA as the BRIBE that Joe Biden got.
You are such a wealth of information….about things I already know.
It wasn’t a vote for Biden. It was a vote against Orange Jesus. Don’t misrepresent me.
Two of my kids had student loans….both have MFA’s..one in music, one in art. The musician already paid her loan back…and the artist is servicing his debt on time…..delaying gratification until it’s handled. They knew the onerous rules when they took on the debt. I haven’t spent a penny on either one of them since they finished their undergrad.
Did you know, Joe, the the average student loan defaulter is a trade school grad who owes about 10k he or she can’t pay? Many are black people who got conned by some other black person who owns a trade school like a barber college. Minority owned business, they call them. I call it a scam.
The default rates on student loans at flagship universities is about 1%.
Middle class culture, any culture, can only stand if it is rewarded. In prior times the middle class was fundamentally supported by the upper classes, who invested in America, creating vast wealth.
They modeled sobriety, hard-work, risk and reward. The working classes modeled the behavior through church and labor unions, standing together for each other and nation.
The wealthy have abandoned America, and the working classes have abandoned religion, unions, and each other. Into that void steps cultural anarchy.
Our society c requires hard-work, and discipline. It requires accountability, primarily of the wealthy. I tire of commentators that lament the loss of our wealth without holding those accountable who have abandoned their responsibilities.
I don’t think I disagree with any of that, Mike.
I can’t wait to see how honest the Biden/Harris Whitehouse will be. After years of the media calling this administration a liar (not undeserved, but…), after years of honest political class running the country, I am sure that the coming administration will be 100% truthful and honest as were the predecessors prior to Trump. I wonder if the media will call out all the honesty that is guaranteed to take place.
More strawman bs…..Biden is an over-the-hill political hack….but he is not about to threaten the rule of law. If you don’t get the difference, then you aren’t nearly as intelligent as you appear in most of your posts.
I think it is dillusional to think that the people that helped navigate the country to this point, which elected Trump, will now be the ones to save us. If we want truly new direction and change, we must pick new candidates. Not old one. I stand by my comment as its true. The standard for honesty was always low in politics. All of a sudden, its very high. Well, I hope we can keep that standard very high as it would only benefit all of us. Unfortunately , unlikely
“Which elected Trump” = which resulted in a Trump election
I don’t disagree with you on the “causes” that set us up for a Trump. I think you have that completely right. But portraying Trump as “honest government” is a real stretch.
I’m not portraying him as “honest”. Far from it. I am portraying him as equally dishonest as those before him, with the distinction that the media is calling him out on it more frequently than his predecessors, with the hope, maybe an ignorant hope, that they will continue in the future
He is a special kind of dishonest…..rather than what we have had…which is an elite political class of influence peddling corporate shills……who are careful to not attack the actual institutions of democracy…he is rather a populist strongman type no different than say, Erdogan…who would gladly dismantle what little we have left of representative government.
The difference is striking and obvious….and so your argument amounts to making apologies for that kind of ongoing disintegration of our system. Is that what you want…..a Duterte or an Erdogan ruling America? Think about what you’re saying.
Im not making apologies for anyone. Lets not distort what Im saying. Off course I dont want that here. No one in their right mind would. While I don’t exactly disagree with you, I think the mediums to communication in our current age, which shine a spotlight on what everyone in politics is doing in real time and highlight faults, have more to do with your assessment than his predecessors being “more honest”. Thats my opinion. The corporate elite and political class didnt just start doing this in the last few years. Its been there for decades
Of course it has. But that has f**k-all to do with Trump or Biden…and much more to do with our deeply flawed binary two-party system….and the modern dominance of big money political campaigning.
You have a right to complain….but you need to identify the real problem and address it or you get screwed forever.
“and much more to do with our deeply flawed binary two-party system….and the modern dominance of big money political campaigning.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself, Citizens United damaged exactly what you speak of more than any other ruling, and the problem won’t go away when Trump loses
too many work emails coming in now. Been a pleasure
Mish, it takes real guts to make the right stand, and I for one appreciate your courage in speaking out, even though the same crowd shows up here every day (to say they aren’t coming back, lol) and to continue to try to hand-wave away the lies and skullduggery of this man who wants to be the Bolsanaro or the Duterte that drags America down into a strongman oligarchy where the Constitution is optional depending on how he feels today.
Detroit had 32,519 more REGISTERED voters than ELIGIBLE voters.
There is massive voter fraud and people need to go to Prison for this.
link to instagram.com
Why do you believe that picture?
Because it reports a lawsuit that has been started.
And it is a video and that pic from TV report about the lawsuit is just one part of the video.
Please watch it.
why do you keep posting the same discredited lies.
They are a Trumpy boy. They point the way to the secret of the internal peace. Say the mantra, the same lies over and over again. Ignore any rebuttals, ignore the facts. What are facts, what is truth, merely the perception of each individual, why is ones truth anymore valid that anothers truth. Truly Trump teaches the way of the of spiritual liberation.
Mish, you really need to get rid of Factson, not because of his contrary views but because of the total bulls….t he tries to peddle on this site.
Detroit has 30k+ more registered voters than eligible voters.
I see FibsonJoe is at it again.
Tired of discrediting his peddled fake stories.
People 120 years old and older voting in Detroit:
link to instagram.com
They should contact the Guinness book of records because all of those voters that VOTED would be much older than the oldest person alive in the whole world.
That’s just the way that particular computer software works. Birth date is a required field, but if you don’t have that data, it defaults to 1/1/1900. That’s why they’re all the same.
And you are trying to claim that people can be registered to vote without giving their correct birthdate and software Detroit uses just puts 1/1/1900 as birth date.
LOL.
The election system in USA is totally broken and 3rd world level and places like Detroit and Milwaukee need to have their systems brought to better standards and lots of people in Detroit and Milwaukee need to go to PRISON for a long time for election fraud in this election.
IF somebody is reading this who participated in this then now would be a good time to become a whistleblower and get a large reward instead of going to prison.
Guess you’ll have to manufacture some other fake thing to be outraged about.
You love proving what a complete moron you are, over and over again. If you honestly believe those DOBs are real you have to have an IQ of 80.
“he’s the only middle finger” is spot on. For many Trump voters, he is a condemnation incarnate of leftist-PC culture. Trump has been the only Republican politician to exude the pure unapologetic contempt they feel for the New Progressives.
That contempt is well deserved.
But the form of Trumpist resistance is very un-intellectual, which is why it feels like the next rung down in hell to the reasonable observer. The irrationalism and pseudo-intellectualism of leftist-PC culture deserves to be crushed to dust by Thomas Sowells and George Wills and Ayaan Hirsi Alis. Whereas fighting lefties with mindless yells of “MAGA” is overall … not productive, to be charitable.
Isn’t leftist culture in the US just a bunch of people who don’t want to be told they have to go to Church and kiss the flag and bow down to the $. Funny how Libertarians want freedom for their views and preferred lifestyle but not others.
Leftist-PC culture = everyone should bow down to irrational belief systems like anti-racism and environmentalism … and let’s have free health care and free college too!
Tens of millions of Americans realize this shit is 100% contemptible, and this is why they vote for Trump.
Liberals who don’t understand this reasoning cry and gnash their teeth on election day, “How is it possible that so many people are voting for a fascist?!”
I disagree with you on your idea of whatever “leftist” culture is but I would gladly take an honest Republican president that had some kind of real platform that made sense scientifically and economically. Last good Republican president was George HW Bush. And his son, who wasn’t very bright, was at least relatively honest, at least publicly stood for America’s higher principles, and I still felt like an American.
I wanted to argue this – but I find myself agreeing. I wasn’t a fan of the two Bush tenures – but I at least felt they were ‘our’ presidents. I found GHWB to be disingenuous about our national finances and he also ushered in the initial poisoning of the national discourse between left and right. He, on his own, though was … ‘ok’. The shrub was a dope, but at least he was ‘our’ dope.
Well said
There is decades of expansive literature with overwhelming evidence of electoral fraud and tricks and statistical impossibilities (and quite a few court sentencings as well). International election monitoring organizations have repeatedly stated that the controls are too poor to even make monitoring possible. Americans always claim that it is marginal & insignificant, not proven that it has ever swung an election (tends to happen in swing districts at crucial times), etc. With so much denial, there is of course no chance of actually looking and finding the real extent of the problem.
Free and fair elections and democracy is just another American shibboleth, like being the greatest country, with the fairest justice and the freest people. Etcetera ad nauseum.
The democrats tax and spend plan is far better than Trump’s print and spend plan.
Obviously the vote count shows that the American people wanted this. But for Covid I have no doubt that Trump would have been re-elected and even with Covid he still could win. I am not sure what the goal is for the Republicans other than maybe darwinism. The Democrats should give in and allow the Republicans to take away social security and medicare and cut it off immediately and completely. Also, eliminate the taxes for social security and medicare. Let the churches help the elderly and the poor. Give them what they want and let them choke on it.
Prosecutors of America: “Trump, go away quietly, take your family with you and NEVER come back or spend the rest of your life in prison with your family destitute.”
Trump:
How does the GOP come back from being the party of Trump? The bubble is about to burst – all the politicians that lined up and cheered him on will have a hard time defending themselves when Trump goes down for his various crimes.
It was so close that it’s not clear they have to. They will double down with someone just as brazen and not as incompetent.
Ted Cruz comes to mind.
Watch Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio navigate around Trump in the next few months to prepare for 2024. Grab some popcorn.
With Fox News or Murdoch empire spreading so much mis-information globally , it’s not necessary for them to adjust anything
There is no doubt that Trump is a polarizing figure. People either love him or hate him. Just can’t figure out the attraction.
Trump had a message to the middle class. Obama’s job recovery was gig jobs like Uber, Lyft, managing Airbnbs or service jobs Hotels, Starbucks barista or Chipotle burrito maker. 70% of our economy runs on services and those jobs do not pay much. I used to travel a lot and talk to these Uber drivers. Most do not like sitting in the car driving 12 hours a day. It seems it is either young single people doing it full time or middle aged people working a second job to make ends meet.
Small cities have seen epidemics of meth, crack, etc. because there are no good jobs. Factories that used to be in these places are gone.
Easy to see. Just look around. 46% of young adults live at home. It has not been this high since the 1930s depression. This is the people protesting, looting…etc.
If Biden follows Obama’s economic roadmap of allowing companies to outsource good paying jobs to China and elsewhere…..there is a really good chance another Trump will come along in 4 to 8 years.
So Trump fired up the middle aged middle class people who used to have good jobs but now struggle to achieve the middle class. Biden and team better come up with a plan or these young millennials who are protesting and recent college graduates with 50k to 100k student loans working service jobs…..will be voting for some far left or far right person. Either an AOC type of person or a populist…IMHO
AOC spent $19 million in campaign dollars and what did it get her. She received 104k votes. Her opponent spent $10 million for 50k votes. That is crazy. It would have been better just to just pay people $200 each to go vote for her or the opponent. They probably could have used the money for groceries or put in some new parks?
I must be the only person who just doesn’t really care about him. I dislike a some policies of his.
Sam Harris nailed it, as far as I’m concerned.
I think Trump has a lot of appeal because he hooked into right wing talk radio. It became a feedback loop as he became more involved and called into shows.
His base loves him because he talks just like the right wing talk radio hosts that they listen to, as POTUS. They were already saying these things. The hate is not really new.
Maybe he should finally act “presidential”, like Henry Fonda at the end of Fail Safe.
So the real test comes after the recounts are complete, presumably with Biden as the winner. I still have a hard time believing that Trump would refuse to leave, but he may say numerous irresponsible things between the time final results are announced and January.
People seem to be accepting the results, even on places like ZH, but there are a handful of crazies who could be incited to violence with the wrong cues from Trump.
Wow, I was avoiding ZH cos I assumed it would be peak crazy and disturbing to read.
It is actually interesting that Trump’s fascist rhetoric hasn’t inspired that much violence yet. That is a positive for the US.
If you want to see some real damage by a “handful of crazies”, just let the final count go to Trump. I don’t believe the country could withstand it.
If I was in his shoes I’d give up on the whole U.S. of A. sh1tshow right now and take the hot wife to St. Barts or similar and not look back. The last exit before Doom for the country was in 1996.
Just to provide some balance here:
When Barack Obama assassinated American children, and the NYC glorified his Kill List and bragging “I’m good at killing people” as he turned GWB’s 3 wars to 7…where was the outrage?
Not from Republicans.
Not from Democrats.
Only those of us who enlightened and reside in the Reality Based Community were critical.
so do you still think voting for the Libertarian candidate was a good idea???
Why not? People should have seen through our two party system long ago.
Very good. I was totally indifferent between the two major candidates, despising them both equally.
Trump campaign and Republican party asking for money for legal expenses and recount expenses.
I thought Trump was so rich that he could maybe just self fund his campaign?
Trump’s presidency will be remembered as the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American people.
Signed,
A 2016 Trump voter
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Lots of comments going into spam, some deservedly so.
Don’t double post. If I see something that should display, I can make it visible.
From your lips to God’s ear, as someone once said. I only hope he doesn’t manage to perpetuate this current attempted electoral fraud on our country.
Some people never saw Trump other than the lying, cheating, self-aggrandizing bullshitter that he is and always was. I can’t help but feel like people who find him acceptable are themselves in moral peril.
I write this as a non-partisan foreigner with no particular leaning either way. However it did appear to me as if there were some pretty peculiar things happening with later vote counts in a couple of places – notably Wisconsin and Michigan. I am certain that a perfectly rational explanation can be found. But a charge of fraud by a sitting President is a pretty serious business (as was the officially debunked charge of Russian collusion to have him installed in the first place). I do have confidence in the ability of the US checks and balances and I am sure the ‘truth will out’ one way or another. I really fail to see why the US have a problem at this stage with Trump taking this matter to court. If he’s wrong he will be utterly humiliated; if he’s right then the incoming admin has no legitimacy. I think that is what concerns me. Just what happens to the US if he’s proven right?
So what “peculiar things”? That the absentee mail in ballots from the big cities went way democratic? Everyone knew that was going to happen. Common sense.
Well the instantaneous jump of 200K votes or thereabouts without a single vote for Trump looked very strange even to a non-expert. Happened in both states. As I said, I’m sure the truth will out and if its legitimate its legitimate. But if there is no reasonable explanation then what?
“the instantaneous jump of 200K votes or thereabouts without a single vote for Trump”
Show citation. A credible source please.
Found it The Gateway Pundit lol:
The Gateway Pundit is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes.[8][28][29] It has been described by Newsweek as a fake news website[30] and by CNN as a website “prone to peddling conspiracy theories.”[31] As a result of a number of lawsuits against The Gateway Pundit over its false stories, it was reported in March 2018 that Jim Hoft had told his writers to be more careful: “I don’t want any more lawsuits so we have to be really careful with what we put up.”[32] Hoft stated that he believes the lawsuits “are part of a multi-pronged effort to attack media outlets on the right.”[32]
In late 2019, the English Wikipedia community deprecated The Gateway Pundit as a source for reporting “falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and intentionally misleading stories”.[33]
So you have two parties, both living in an alternative reality from the other, both charging the other party with fraud, both equally matched in numbers, both equally committed to their own cause, and neither willing to compromise. Oh, and both increasingly militant. I sure hope you can rationalise this situation, because the alternative to a court ruling isn’t particularly attractive either for you in the US, or for the rest of us globally.
I do have confidence in the ability of the US checks and balances and I am sure the ‘truth will out’ one way or another.
Well, I’ve studied the US system of checks and balances for a long lifetime, and I’ve never seen it put under more strain. Trump has repeatedly tried to corrupt it, go around it, and run over it.
Your strawman argument trying to hold up the so-called Russiagate investigation as some kind of counterpoint is duly noted.
If Trump is due recounts he shall have them…but if you read what Mish put up then you have my POV. For once I agree with Thomas Friedman, and that doesn’t happen very often.
The charge of Russian “collusion” was not “debunked.” It is known that Russia interfered, it is known they favored Trump. Even the Republican Senate committee found this to be true. Trump chose as his campaign chairman a guy who had previously been a PR flack for a Russian backed politician. Trump’s son met with the Russians. “Collusion” could not be proven, but it was not “debunked.” OJ Simpson was acquitted, but he was guilty as sin.
Like I say, I have no knowledge or understanding about the circumstances of this post. Maybe as is commented elsewhere here, just a conspiracy theory. I am not knowledgeable enough to make a judgement. But I come back to it, and as I know Mish has said on many occasions before, unless and untill ALL of the charges have been officially and systematically debunked, all of the questions have been answered and all of the arguments knocked on the head then the situation cannot and will not resolve.
” unless and untill ALL of the charges have been officially and systematically debunked, all of the questions have been answered and all of the arguments knocked on the head then the situation cannot and will not resolve.’ Grim assessment, because that will never happen. That’s the thing about conspiracy theories. Impossible to “debunk” them in the eyes of those who subscribe. Fake news. Deep state.
the head then the situation cannot and will not resolve.’ Grim assessment, because that will never happen. That’s the thing about conspiracy theories. Impossible to “debunk” them in the eyes of those who subscribe.
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I would very much hope they could be ‘debunked’ to the satisfaction of an authoritative body, not entirely comprised of slouchers – such as the Supreme Court.
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They do that to prevent viral spreading of false information
Ok
You are so right about the moral peril of Trump supporters, each of the things he does reflects on their path to heaven or hell. He gives new life to the expression “Going to Hell in a Handbag”.
If you knew me, you would know that I’m about the last person to pass judgment on anybody…..but worshipers at the Church of Trump go there because he gives them absolution for their greed, their racism, their ignorance, and their self-centered, selfish POV.
And it gives them a place to shoot the finger at the other side, which is a an educated upper-class led moral authority that tells them that they aren’t good enough.
So those who say that America’s current liberal ideology is at cause for Trump….are completely right about that.
As a result of a denial of service attack, posting is still turned off but comments are on.
You should be able to edit comments though.
Is this univerasl?
Who can edit comments?
Can’t edit my own comments. Noticed that yesterday too.
Not a big deal.
I can’t edit comments, but it’s better than the spam. It just exposes my occasional typos and misspellings. 😉