Trump reiterated his wait and see attitude today, a bit more forcefully.
Please note Trump Refuses to Commit to a Peaceful Transition of Power After Election Day.
Reporter: “Do you commit to making sure that there’s a peaceful transferral of power?” the reporter asked.
Trump: “We’re going to have to see what happens. You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster. We want to get rid of the ballots, and you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly, there’ll be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it.”
Reporter: “No, I don’t know it.”
Trump has made this claim before, but there was more force in the way he said it this time.
Supreme Court
Trump wants another conservative on the Supreme Court because the result of the election may head there.
Please consider Trump says he thinks Supreme Court Will Rule on Election Outcome so 9th Justice Needed.
“I think it’s better if you go before the election, because I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam — the scam will be before the United States Supreme Court,” Trump told reporters at the White House, in an apparent reference to efforts to increase mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic. “I think having a 4-4 situation is not a good situation, if you get that.”
What Might Trump Do?
- Contest mail-in votes.
- Delay or impound mail-in votes.
- Declare the election invalid.
- Ask states to declare a new set of electors.
Nate Silver discusses point 4 in What If Trump Loses And Won’t Leave?
[Suppose] Trump leads in the tipping-point state of Pennsylvania on election night, but because of Democratic gains in ballots counted in the following days, Biden pulls ahead by a few thousand votes. What happens next quickly devolves into a partisan dispute. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf signs Pennsylvania’s certificate of ascertainment, confirming Biden’s victory by listing the Democratic electors as the state’s official slate for the Electoral College, while the Republican-controlled Pennsylvania legislature appoints a different set of electors at Trump’s behest as he has claimed there was widespread election fraud.
The Electoral Count Act of 1887, which governs the electoral vote counting process, was designed to help Congress decide how to handle such a situation. But it is especially ambiguous on what would happen if the Senate and House disagree on which set of electors should count, which could happen if the GOP retains control of the Senate and Democrats keep the House.
Vice President Mike Pence — as president of the Senate, he would oversee the count in Congress — follows one interpretation of the law, arguing that neither set of electors should count because they conflict. That removes Pennsylvania’s votes from the total number of electors and gives Trump a majority based on the remaining 518 electoral votes.
[In another possible scenario], Arizona was the tipping-point state and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey refused to certify the results to give Biden the state’s electors.
Succession of Power
Silver also discussed succession of power.
Under the 20th Amendment, we know someone must take office on Jan. 20 as president, yet the amendment is curiously silent on how to deal with a dispute over whether someone has actually qualified to take office.
In fact, it’s possible that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi could claim that under the Presidential Succession Act, she is next in line to become president and that she would be willing to resign her House seat to serve as president until Biden is ruled the election winner. But if Republicans claimed Trump had won reelection, they very well might object to Pelosi being sworn in.
Transition Integrity
Silver drew up his examples from many scenarios the Transition Integrity Project, a bipartisan collection of over 100 experts, explored this summer while researching how a possible election crisis could unfold.
On Election Night, We Might Not Know Who Won
On August 30, I wrote On Election Night, We Might Not Know Who Won
That scenario is looking increasingly likely. And polls shows a majority believe that will happen.
An overwhelming majority of mail-in votes will be from Democrats, so unless the race is a total blowout, I fail to see how we can possibly know who won the swing states.
And if Trump is ahead, he almost certain to proclaim victory, followed by theft if he then loses by a small margin.
What Then?
I do not know, nor does anyone else, but it is a very realistic scenario.
However, all this talk cannot possibly help Trump outside an actual attempt at theft via one of the methods noted above.
Trump’s talk will likely not go over well with the majority of fence-sitters who are justifiably terrified by Trump’s threats.
Mish
Liberals love to wonder if conservatives will do the same thing that the liberals already did. Does anyone think that the Obama-Hillary deep state transitioned power to Trump? Fuk no. They attacked him from before he even took over. There was no peaceful transfer. But Trump doesn’t have enough support to avoid a power transfer if Biden wins fairly. And I don’t mean innuendo and suspicion of fraud. It must be caught red handed and undeniable. What I have to wonder is how many people think Biden would be any better than Trump when the Global Debt Ponzi collapses. I expect Biden to go into hiden. I think Trump is a loud arrogant a-hole but the dems should have brought someone other than brain dead biden. Biden thinks he deserves his turn at the throne just like Hillary did. I suspect it will turn out the same as in 2016. But if biden wins then he wins. Who cares, the prez is just a figurehead these days anyway. The real ones running the show are the banksters at the fed.
Democrats are trying to STEAL the election.
Several Democrat controlled states have made rules where they will mail ballots to every registered voter and allow these to be counted despite arriving from 3 days to 2 weeks after the election date Nov 3rd depending on state and several states do NOT require signature verification and several states do NOT require a postmark at the latest Nov 3rd on the envelope and several states allowed “ballot harvesting” aka Democrat organizations going around collecting people’s ballots (and no doubt some ballot harvesters will be funded by some Soros NGO to give gift cards or some other gift to motivate people to vote who would not otherwise vote since 25% of registered Democrats and 18% of registered Republicans did not vote in 2016 so Democrats have lots of votes to “ballot harvest”).
When Trump wins some state by say 5000 votes the Democrats will “ballot harvest” 6000 votes from those who did NOT vote in the days/weeks after November 3rd and tell them you can stop Trump by voting for Biden and giving us your ballot which we will drop-off to be counted at ballot collection points in states that have them (or get somebody to stamp Nov 3rd and mail it in states that require it and just drop it off in the mailbox address receiving ballots for states that do not require a postmark) and thanks to Democrat made rules in those states they will be counted and Biden will win that state(s) and the presidency.
In states that require a postmark of November 3rd the latest I am sure Democrats will be able to find tens of US Postal Service employees ready to stamp a postmark of November 3rd on the envelope November 4th-14th and then drop these into mail and just blame USPS cuts Trump claimedly made for the envelopes arriving late.
The automatic mail-in ballots for everybody also causes many illegal immigrants to vote with ballots they get for Americans that have moved out or died before illegal immigrants rented that house/apartment and same for Democrats who have moved into a house/apartment and get the previous occupants mail-in ballot since there is no way to catch these people.
If there is an investigation which is unlikely they can claim they never saw the ballot and somebody must have snatched it from the mail and voted.
Automatic Mail-in ballots will also cause many families with unhinged Democrats in them to all vote for Democrats because the unhinged Democrat will inspect who others vote for and make sure it is Democrats.
Unhinged Democrat children in the 20-50 year category will also make their elderly parents and other elderly relatives vote for Democrats and dead people in many families will also be voting for Democrats.
Then in addition to the fact that Democrats can 99% certainly find many USPS workers to stamp a postmark of Nov 3rd after Nov 3rd on lots of ballot envelopes some USPS staff will quite likely just “disappear” and “misplace” ballot envelopes from Republican leaning areas either in the collection or sorting phase.
Anybody who claims that automatic mail-in ballots for every registered voter is the same as absentee ballots which you have to request and prove your ID to get is functionally braindead or intentionally trying to mislead and this includes all the talking heads on TV claiming automatic mail-in ballots for everybody in some states is just the same as absentee ballots.
This will be a total nightmare and if Joe Biden and Democrats pull this scam of it will begin the destruction of USA.
Supreme Court should get involved and BAN accepting ballots that do NOT have November 3rd or earlier postmarked on them and that arrive later than Nov 5th and Supreme Court should mandate that signature verification must be conducted for each mail-in ballot and that those votes made by dead people must be discarded by getting up to date info for each mail-in ballot voter whether he/she was alive when they supposedly voted.
Last news I read about the dead voters stated that almost 10 000 dead people vote every election and that there are 500k dead voters among the registered voters so with automatic mail-in ballots there might be 100k-200k dead voters this year which is enough to flip many states.
T-rump is a scared little boy conducting one of his few last temper tantrums before SDNY and NY Att Gen come after him, his kids and his crimnal activity that finally has caught up with.
He is a very sick and twisted individual with strong indications of becoming more and more violent with each day the reality of his demise hits him between his few still functioning narcissistic brains cells.
Its being argued that what Trump is engaged in is voter suppression saying don’t bother to vote , i’m not leaving.
The Fourth Reich of Fuhrer Trump will begin in November. Millions of Americans are already planning where they are going to seek refuge. Expect the country to collapse into totalitarian anarchy and a new world war. Uruguay anyone?
The pandemocriots didn’t peacefully leave, they are still destroying with the kungflu and riots, why would anyone think it would be any different if by fraud the pandemocriots took over. Just more riots and destruction.
This is what Ben Ginsberg long time Republican lawyer who has represented four aadministrations wrote in the Washington Post
Ginsberg, who has represented four Republican presidential candidates and played a key role in cases like Bush v. Gore in the 2000 election, wrote in The Washington Post that a “lack of evidence” makes claims of fraud from Trump and other Republicans “unsustainable” and that the GOP is needlessly inciting concerns over the presidential race.
“The truth is that after decades of looking for illegal voting, there’s no proof of widespread fraud. At most, there are isolated incidents — by both Democrats and Republicans. Elections are not rigged. Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots — different states use different labels for the same process,” Ginsberg wrote.
“The president’s rhetoric has put my party in the position of a firefighter who deliberately sets fires to look like a hero putting them out,” he added. “Calling elections ‘fraudulent’ and results ‘rigged’ with almost nonexistent evidence is antithetical to being the ‘rule of law’ party.”
So your saying the election have never been influenced, that means everyone that had to do with tge russian hoax should be in jail. Be hard for dems to run the country behind bars
Any vote rigging is being done by social media and major news companies. This latest stunt about transition is total trash. How can people not see though this and plainly see who is doing it? Mish seems to have swallowed this story whole and believed it.
Ben Ginsberg either does not read Nytimes:
Or Ben Ginsberg is actively lying and hoping nobody else read about the huge fraud in mail-in ballots that has already happened.
did you read the full article?
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton has told Biden not to concede the election under any circumstances, and the Democrats have said the only scenario in which there isn’t widespread violence is if Biden wins in a landslide (i.e they will not allow a peaceful election unless they win).
But somehow it’s only Trump that is problematic.
Trump is the only candidate who has specifically said that he would not abide by the results. You can yammer on all you want about ‘others’, but Trump is the one running. And he is the one that has gone on record as being ‘indifferent’ to the results of this election.
Correct the pandemocriots are only ones indifferent about already losing the election and claim they will win by fraud, hiw else would they already know. Reply only if u agree.
Effect and cause. She said this because Trump is indicating and stating he will not step down if he loses.
Effect and cause she saying it because she knows voter fraud will more likely out her obummer and Biden in prison. Reply only if u agree.
Spoken like a true cultist.
Hillary Clinton said that Joe Biden should NOT concede under any circumstances much earlier than Trump made those comments so the cause is Democrats shenanigans and Hillary Clinton statement and Trump just could not help himself and walked into the trap set by Democrats creating the effect.
The Democrats are criminals. Plain and simple. They will do anything to overthrow the USA.
“The president’s rhetoric has put my party in the position of a firefighter who deliberately sets fires to look like a hero putting them out,” he added. “Calling elections ‘fraudulent’ and results ‘rigged’ with almost nonexistent evidence is antithetical to being the ‘rule of law’ party.”
The president’s words make his and the Republican Party’s rhetoric look less like sincere concern — and more like transactional hypocrisy designed to provide an electoral advantage. And they come as Republicans trying to make their cases in courts must deal with the basic truth that four decades of dedicated investigation have produced only isolated incidents of election fraud.
Problems with the balloting system, surely not. This has to be fake news:
The FBI is also investigating ballots voting for Trump thrown into the trash in Pennsylvania.
We kill him….what an enjoyable celebratory experience that will be.
Meanwhile, in other news stories, Democrat mail carriers are throwing away absentee ballots going to Republican districts…. It is pretty hard to have a honest election when Democrats are fundamentally dishonest.
When? When did Trump say he would not leave the White House if he lost. He didn’t and anyone who says he did is a liar.
Trump is unpleasant, but not much different than William Jefferson Clinton who would engineer an election if he could and smile his big smile while he was doing it. Same for Obama, who engineered a popular primary rival out of the primary in his Chicago State Senate race by hiring an expensive team to go through every primary qualification signature and disqualify the voter if there was even the most minor flaw in the application. Now that is “the Chicago way.”
President Johnson’s win in 1948 Senate race against the very popular Governor Coke Stevenson in a viscous Democratic campaign that Johnson won by voter fraud ended up in the Supreme Court with Johnson won by use of his good friend and future Supreme Court Judge, Abe Fortas. Johnson’s motto, “Do what it takes.”
And don’t bring up the Kennedy-Nixon race of 1960 which was also engineered by Mayor Daley in Chicago and cost Nixon the Election. Present day , most divisive and dangerous, complete nonsense. Politics in America is rough and always has been. Read your history.
I was certainly aware of the 1948 Johnson case. When I was a student in the Texas public schools, history was still part of the curriculum.
My understanding now is that Johnson also paid George Parr (the Duke of Duval County) to help him win in 1941, but that Pappy O’Daniel outfoxed him anyway with his own (more experienced) fraud.
The Rio Grande Valley in those days was a wild and wooly place, with many larger than life political operatives.
Johnson went from making $300 a year as a school teacher….to being worth about $100 million dollars when he passed away. He came to do good, as they say, and stayed to do well.
With respect, I view this one a little differently than any of the cases you mentioned. American politics has alway had fraud and patronage…..Chicago seems to have perfected the concept of “favor for favor”……But I don’t think we’ve ever had an election with this much chance of real chaos breaking out….at least not since 1865.
Well in today’s world we have every “nobody” in the country talking trash through social media. There is no truth in hate, race baiting and outright misdirection.
Trump has no precedent in US politics. There have been other power hungry pragmatists, like Clinton, but Trump is bizzarely irrational and a fount of nihilism. He’s pretty much single-handedly triggered mass psychosis among both his followers and the mobs who will, for a nickel, admit that they want him dead.
Trump, Republicans may very well take it to the Supreme Court to have some ballots thrown out. The Post Office may slow delivery of ballots so that timelines are missed.
How the hell can anyone not understand these threats?
Moreover, the threats will cost Trump votes. Nearly guaranteed, unless of course he actually intends to attempt some of these tactics.
The threats will cost biden legal votes and get the fraud votes tossed which makes trump by landslide. No one expects pandemocriots to except this result so more riots and kungflu is expected. Reply only if u agree. Any reply means u agree regardless of your rhetoric.
The party that’s going to SCREAM the loudest are the democrats. This is a democrat story 100% and it’s been running for 4yrs. Elections have there consequences.
eqmc2: “Reply only if u agree. Any reply means u agree regardless of your rhetoric.”
Interesting way to try to stifle debate and/or criticism. Of course it’s far too stupid to be effective.
They think people will just smile and nod and consume.
All you delusional Trump supporters who pay lip service to the Constitution have to explain how Trump not agreeing to a peaceful transfer of power does anything but absolutely subvert American Democracy and everything that the Constitution stands for.
Correct so why have the pandemocriots not cooperated with a peaceful transfer by staging riots and kungflu. Reply only if u agree. Any reply means u agree regardless of your rhetoric.
What are you, 12? Try forming a coherent sentence.
So where exactly did this false narrative about Trump not leaving come from, and why is Mish supporting it? Anyone who believes this kind of blatant propaganda is an idiot. Mish you have 0% credibility left. I hope the Soros crowd is paying you well.
This is a non event story. Do you really believe he is going to lock himself in the Whitehouse???? Not going to happen. Now if its close we will have a legal battle e.g. Bush v. Gore.
Where is the economic analysis?
Cloudy, with a 30% chance of hereditary dictatorship.
Are you actually suggesting that the current chaos infecting our political system is unrelated to economic stories of the day?
Or are you just the usual snowflake whose ‘feewings’ got hurt because there was a ‘nasty’ story about your chosen political affiliation?
amazing that people cannot see enormous potential for economic disruptions in this
How about 50 state legislatures vote to go one way or the other?
you saw the outrage when there was discussion when there was talk of delegates ignoring the popular vote when casting their electoral votes? if the states did similar it would be that and more. disrerding the intent of the voters?
Is the football safe? An emergency could be used to continue the regime.
Whomever wins its going to be a hell of ride for us plebians
This is absurd. If, in the end, Trump loses, how can he possibly remain in office?
The issue is the timing of figuring out whether either candidate has won or lost and the – now it seem inevitable – court decisions. This normally would not be that big a concern except the courts have shown in the recent past that they are far more political than they should be.
He’ll be escorted from the oval office. All Done.
This is all nonsense. State validate the election votes and winners, not the President or the Congress. Most electoral disputes are settled quickly by the courts who are well versed in their state election laws, cases come up every election. The President has nothing to do with it, it is irrelevant whether Trump accepts the decision. The Supreme Court if necessary, unlikely with Biden’s lead in the electoral college, will rule on the facts, doubtful if they care whether Trump appointed them or not. Senior Republican senators will walk up the hill to the White House and tell him to depart or be escorted out. Everything else is useless and baseless speculation. And that is all.
“An overwhelming majority of mail-in votes will be from Democrats”
Why is that a given?
What is the mechanism/causality for political preference to completely coincide with ballot casting preference?
polling
Democrats accept that there’s a pandemic going on, and waiting in line has a small chance of getting them killed… by covid or some fat guy with an ar-15. Why take the risk and waste the time?
Republicans believe the pandemic is a hoax, and, lacking anything better to do, want to gather and holler and wave their trump flags.
As Zardoz has mentioned – and as the entire newsfeed of the last few months confirms – there is a divide between those that feel it is their civic duty to protect others from a possible infection they might unknowingly carry and those that must get a haircut or their nails done and can’t be bothered to care about anyone but themselves.
Are you talking about Democrats Nancy Pelosi and her trip to get her hair done against the regulations she had herself championed and rammed down on regular people’s throats?
That is actually the funny thing — most mail-in voters tend to be republicans…If this time around most of the vote is democrats it would be the outlier, and not the rule
Will Biden commit to “peacefully” concede defeat?
Nobody has had to ask that of any presidential candidate except trump. It’s assumed. If they did ask him, you’d be complaining that it’s a softball question
They should have asked that from Hillary in the 2016 debates.
She still thinks she won.
Rule of Law was once “assumed” to be a part of this country. Currently district attorneys, mayors, governors have decided to pick and choose when that applies to different portions of the population as they see fit. Equal protection under the law is no longer “assumed”. This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the times we live in. Lets be clear the fact that Trump was elected was the result of no one with any real ethics nor sense being willing to subject themselves to what holding that office has become. And here we are again faced with Trump vs someone that is legitimately incompetent being put forward as the alternative choice.
If I was president I wouldn’t leave until it was clear that I had lost.
Gore would still be hanging around, by that logic…
Gore had nothing to lose since he wasn’t already the president. Why would anyone leave before it’s clear that they lost? They’d look like a wus if they did.
No, they would look like a patriot. Like someone who loves the country more than themself.
If it’s not clear who won? Why not let the guy who’s not the incumbent be a patriot and bow out? If it’s not clear, it’s not clear. Once it becomes clear, the loser should leave.
Yep – nothing like being the cause of a country-wide Constitutional crisis. That does seem like a better outcome than being called a ‘wus’ (sp.).
If it’s not clear who the winner is, he would not be the cause of a crisis, the voting system would be to blame.
Not only is Trump refusing to commit to honoring the election results but he’s telling us now that what his intentions are..
“This will end up in the Supreme Court, and I think it’s very important that we have nine justices,” Mr Trump said on Wednesday, amid rising concern that the result will not be clear immediately after the election.
Everybody knows that the Harris administration will not concede under any circumstances. How could anyone commit to honoring that?
Everyone knows? Did you take a poll? What statement has she put out that makes this an issue?
Hillary Clinton told Biden to not concede under any circumstances.
That’s nice.
My cat just suggested that he was not fed enough. I, on the other hand, have made it clear he’s not getting any more food. See how that works?
And as to Webej’s bs statement that “everybody knows…” and then some blather; well – everybody does not know. Nor do you.
Both sides lawyered up months ago.
There’s already been more litigation for this election than any of the ones in the past, and we’re still over a month out.
Also, how can anyone with half a brain be undecided at this point? They are such strikingly different people.
Well, maybe b/c they are not voting for a person, but trying to weigh whether there is more chance of a confrontation with Russia/China and nuclear war, or more humanitarian war abroad, or what will bring greater social chaos and arbitrary authoritarianism, Harris or Trump? Don’t think it’s easy to call in advance.
Agreed. Perceptive voters may realize that the differences between R’s and D’s are greatly exaggerated, and on many policy issues they talk very differently but in fact will continue to DO very similar things. Trump’s personality notwithstanding.
Trump is psychologically incapable of admitting a loss or he’s wrong on anything. Assume he won’t leave.
He has a weakness… leave a trail of hamburders that lead him out of the whitehouse.
America first actually translates to Trump first.
What if all the voters who didn’t post signs in front of their homes or wear MAGA hats in order to avoid controversy and polarized wrath, put Trump in with a landslide? It would seem to be the one scenario that hasn’t been thought of or discussed.
Fortunately, a majority doesn’t win you the presidency, and you have to consider some of us who voted for Trump the first time around realize we made one big ass mistake.
Well, then you will have given a real mandate to a reprehensible crook, and good luck to us all, because we’ll need it. But it would be better for Trump to win by a landslide than for him to win by one swing state. The very last thing we need is a close election that can’t be called on election night.
You almost make it sound as if Harris and Biden are not crooked?
Sounds like you know Trump is a real son of a bitch, but he’s your son of a bitch…
There are other candidates other than Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.
I never meant to give that impression. My argument is purely that they represent the lesser evil at this moment in history. In some ways, they scare me as much or more than Trump does. It really sucks to be an American voter.
What if monkeys fly out our butts?
I do agree that the biased MSM is trying to bait Trump asking these questions….but it gives him a chance to stir the pot, which he is happy to do……any traditional politician would talk about how important it is for the succession to be smooth and seamless….preserve tradition, avoid uncertainty, etc……while having the local hit squad toss out ballots with hanging chads somewhere in a backroom in all the red states.
Trump takes the opportunity to throw the press into a tizzy by not doing that…..he raises the ante like a poke player. Is he bluffing? Probably……but he is a rank opportunist, and he will be happy to cheat if he can get away with it.
I prefer the traditional type of lying politician myself, where the cheating is kept behind closed doors and everybody pretends to bow to the hallowed traditions. I think that works out better for the country.
The very best outcome would be if Americans rise up en masse and vote this little grifter out with a resounding wallop that can be heard ’round the world.
That’s why lazy-ass liberal people and pissed-off Bernie supporters, and even patriotic Republicans need to vote, preferably in person, especially if you are in a state that doesn’t start counting the ballots until the election is over (whose stupid idea was that, anyway?)
A low voter turnout favors Trump. A ton of mail-in ballots favors Trump.
That’s why it really pains me when I hear influential people (hint, hint) who say that they can support NEITHER candidate…and intend to not vote …or write in a candidate they like.
I’ve been that guy…but this time we need to vote….not for Biden, who is a cardboard cut-out….but rather against Trump….simply because he is dangerous and can’t be trusted not to subvert the Constitution, what’s left of it.
But putting Biden in will guarantee supreme court justice nominees who will subvert the Constitution for decades.
That isn’t true, fwiw.
You sound like a pro-life conservative who wants to see Roe reversed. I can understand that, although I have my reasons for thinking choice is better. Like a lot of my other political opinions, it arises out of a “lesser evil” argument. I don’t expect too many people to get that.
Unfortunately, we have a Supreme Court that has already made a number of very bad decisions that have eroded out constitutional rights as citizens. Most of these were done on Scalia’s watch. I’d be happy to cite chapter and verse. But I’m not that impressed with your conservative justices.
I’m happy for you to live in an alternate universe where Scalia is alive and we have seven or eight Jesuit schooled justices (we have five now), and I’ll move to one where Earl Warren and Thurgood Marshall are still alive. We obviously have very different opinions about the Supreme Court.
My issue is really not abortion. Or the 2nd Amendment, although I’m well armed.
My issues are the 4th Amendment and campaign finance law. In those areas we the people lost ground over the last generation, and I just hate to see it.
Our Founders gave us a way to change the Constitution if we don’t like it through amendment, they never intended for it to be a living/breathing document. Letting it live and breath is just a way to get around having a constitution and having rule by judges. There’s no point in folks swearing an oath to uphold and defend it if the justices are going to override it.
The ability to amend the Constitution is precisely why it is a living breathing document. But that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.
I doubt the founders thought much about whether corporations should be given the same rights as individuals in the courts. That bad road started with the 14th Amendment..and it’s been downhill ever since. The final nail in the coffin of limiting corporate money in politics was the Citizen’s United ruling in 2010, which was a travesty in my opinion.
The 4th Amendment protects individuals from having their assets seized by the government…,…or did until the late 1980’s when the Supreme Court decided it was okay for various law enforcement entities to seize assets on mere suspicion, and to use the money to do things like fund the militarization of the police. They’ve continued to uphold this reprehensible practice in several subsequent cases.
Any law enforcement agency can confiscate the money in your bank account at any time now, and the onus is on you to obtain legal representation at your expense and go to court to prove you came by the money honestly.
Sorry, but in my book, that’s just flat wrong. The DEA has seized over 4 billion dollars in cash and other assets in the last decade….no need to prove any wrongdoing.
I’m not an attorney or a judge….and I’m not sure whether those kinds of decisions arise out of a strict constitutional interpretation of the law or not…..but I know the result of both of those bad rulings has made regular American citizens less protected under the law.
And it all happened since Reagan. Just sayin’.
On Roe v. Wade, I doubt the founders thought much about that one either. Abortion isn’t mentioned anywhere in the US Constitution, to the best of my recollection. It’s been a while since I read it.
Both parties are failing America and both parties are trying to cheat.
There is no good reason for the Democrats to get rid of signature verification, because if the signature doesn’t match on the absentee ballot they will contact the voter and give an opportunity to verify it.
I got ballot forms in the mail for 5 different people at my home where only two voters live. Asinine at best to not check signatures.
I have no problem with requiring proof of identity to vote. We have to request ballots to vote by mail here…and I think the states with bad systems need to fix ’em. I do not disagree with you on this one.
The media loves this as much as Trump does. The appearance of impending chaos sells eyeballs.
“A ton of mail-in ballots favors Trump”
Only if they are not counted
My point was just that a lot of ballots sitting out there that can’t be counted until after the polls close….that would create all kinds of drama..and give Trump more grist for his mill….more opportunity to try to use whatever means he can to make things go his way.
With Barr as AG to be his back-up with the Justice Dept. who knows how it could go…..but I think it could go all pear-shaped in a hurry.
Texas mail-in ballots won’t be a problem. But some of these states have systems that do need some work.
Once again there’s a “hair on fire” campaign effort to create fear by manufacturing “what if” crisis. The constitution provides for a peaceful transition. Let’s deal with real problems instead of creating them.
Trump is going to appoint loyalists in states where Republicans control the legislature. The real question is what will the Republican party in those states do about it. This is their candidate and there isn’t much they can do. I expect Trump to win all states where legislatures are controlled by Republicans. That puts the outcome in real doubt even come electoral college time. If you don’t think so, then just wait and see what happens. I wrote here months ago that Trump would do everything he can to hang onto power (before the Atlantic or other articles) and people laughed. The joke to have an executive order preventing Biden from becoming President was a trial balloon. Soon there will be a similar joke about suspending the constitution because of other reasons and just retaining power Putin-style. I expect a box of ballots to arrive from Russia soon at many swing states ballot boxes. We’ve been saying let’s deal with real problems for 3.5 years and nothing has truly changed.
Russia?
Trump was asked point blank if he would respect the peaceful transition of power and he avoided a simple yes anwer. I’d say this is more than a letitimate concern. Biden recognized that Trump will attempt to win in the courts what he fails to win by vote and is lawyering up. Trump’s done this his whole life, why would he stop now?
I think we see what we want to see. He sees, right or wrong, the ballots everywhere (I got 5 ballot forms for different people at my house and only 2 voters live here) and coupled with Democratic attempts at not verifying signatures as cheating on the left. I think he is saying he won’t give in if he sees mass evidence of cheating. I don’t think he means he will impose himself as dictator.
Guarantee you one thing. We wouldn’t be having this conversation with Hillary Clinton were President
Hillary: Don’t concede under any circumstances. Not.
Yes there is so much hypocrisy on both sides. 1 of the hypocrisies is people cheering on Hillary, Pelosi, and other big names for saying not to concede under any circumstances and then being drama queens when Trump says the same thing in kind.
People care more about their political “team” on both sides of the aisle than they do about being honest and holding their own party accountable; it is ruining the country.
True, the 1st Amendment would have been abolished by now with HRC…
My fear is that White nationalist militias in support of Trump attempt to intimidate voters on election day. We could see a lot of weapons on display
This is what my wife said as well. She was a lifelong Republican but now she says if Trump stays in office, we need to look at options of other countries to move to. She was born and raised in America. I told her Don Jr is the likely successor in 2024.
Papa Orange hands off to Baby Orange?
Ivanka would probably put some Novichock on his golf balls.
The irony is Trump has pushed more gun control than the last idiot and these people are ready to lay down their lives for this…
What would those weapons insinuate, that they’re going to start shooting minorities if Biden wins? If you see weapons, my guess would be they are preparing to defend their lives and property when Trump wins and the dems start rioting and burning cities like they have the past 6 months.
Ya, right. They need guns outside polling stations to defend their lives and properties from rioting. Pathetic.
Are than any white nationalist militias that you can point to?
Are there any known facts?
Michigan Capital
Kenosha
Charlottesville
Those guys aren’t ex military… look at em’… most have the look and fitness level of men decades older than they are. They’re ready for market at best, not for war.
One doesn’t have to have military experience or take an oath to defend the Constitution, every American should want to defend it.
White Nationalists? I keep seeing people ring the alarm bells on this and yet the vast majority of significant violent action I see are coming from self-identified neo-marxist/socialist ‘activists’ such as BLM and Antifa.
There’s little doubt in my mind that Trump will attempt to invalidate as many votes in Democratic districts as possible and Barr will actively help him
He will only attempt to invalidate the duplicate ones and those of WWI vets.
trump would love a civil war(doesn’t have to mean millions of dead with jet fighters or nukes dropped). it’s great ratings and he would be known for centuries.
Not only that but it would give him justification for mobilizing a corrupt war economy, martial law with curfew, suspension of habeas corpus, and a reward/punishment system via ration books, disrespect or resist him and your rations get cut. Lincoln was an honest man, but his cabinet was not, there was so much graft and corruption that quite a large hunk of the cost of the Civil War was diverted and wasted and outright stolen, and there was basically nothing Lincoln could do about it in the middle of a life or death struggle. It was not as if the New York press could do a lot of investigative journalism into bogus war contracts or identify and take to task war profiteers.
There would be expulsions of people who do not side with him, as well as camps for those that are merely suspected of not agreeing with him.
I am starting to feel very lucky that I have a second passport in an EU nation that is an island with neutrality and a good water supply, agricultural history, and no strategic value to speak of. If I am forced to leave I can present my Irish passport at an exit point and they cannot force me to remain without an international incident.
Trump will incite civil war, one way or another. He will not leave white house peacefully
What happens if Trump wins and Biden refuses to concede defeat?
And what happens if unicorns start farting all red skittles?
i won’t characterize it that would reqire a crystal ball but I’m certain that Trump will engage in some scorched earth tactics. He only cares about himself and will not go willingly
The democrats beat him to it 6 months ago.
So out of curiosity, I read Woodward’s “Rage” this week. While it doesn’t portray Trump in a flattering light, the extensive interviews paint a detailed picture of Trump’s thinking process.
Even if Trump isn’t inclined to leave for some reason, if Jared, Ivanka, and maybe a few others (Mnuchin and Pompeo?) tell him to vacate, he will. He’s surprisingly wishy washy on a lot of things and if those close to him urge him to do something, he’ll usually listen.
The nightmare scenario of a standoff only happens if his inner circle encourages him to stay, which seems unlikely. Most of those people have plenty of connections and powerful friends apart from Trump, so they have little reason to feel personally threatened by a new administration. Even if Trump is hounded by the media or threats of lawsuits afterward, they’ll be just fine.
He sure doesn’t seem to have a lot of follow through…
He isn’t a fighter. He is just a reality TV star with a Twitter account.
The country has almost come to an end a dozen times. Scaring the womenfolk who came out in 2018 with this nonsense makes it more and more likely Biden wins by a landslide. My mom aint gonna vote for her inheritance to drop to nothing once the stock market collapses and the financial system is frozen. Even she isnt THAT political.
Economy and stock market will be totally destroyed once Democrats make their Green New Deal come true and Joe Biden continues from where he left of as VP aka massively offshoring US factories and well-paying jobs to China on the “Most favored nation” status while China plays all kinds of games with their currency and continues to pollute like there is no tomorrow.
It will take twenty years for the Green New Deal to destroy the US. Trump has nearly accomplished it in under 4 years, and he might finish the job yet before the four years are up, if any of the suggestions in the article above come to pass.
It only took obummer, Killary, and Biden a day to destroy the us. It was the day they lost in 2016 they unleashed kungflu and riots across the globe. Reply if u agree.
Voted for him cause Hillary couldnt care less about jobs. But that theme has changed hugely. You made more money with democrat Bill and democrat Barack than you ever made with Repub presidents.
Correct the pandemocriots have bought the country to the brink of collapse with their kungflu scare and riots. Of course Trump will win by landslide. No one wants the democraps to continue their chaos and destruction of safety and financial stability. Their was never a peaceful transfer in 2016 why are they asking now except for the fact the democraps believe the voting fraud will bring them victory.
Reply to eqmc2 only if u agree
Ahhh-HAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha!
What a maroon!
Trump? Is that you? You’re a disgrace… resign and end your disgraceful life.
Barr is the great enabler here. He’s weaponized DOJ and acts more like an interior minister than an A.G
DOJ was weaponized already when they let Hillary off with breaking laws with classified information (gross negligence).
Not sure there was a peaceful transfer of power in 2016. There were a lot of posts about insurance policies and unproven stories about Russian collusion, now accepted as fact.
I am very interested and open to any opinions based on reports based on reality other than assumptions.
Try to get your hands on the redacted portion of the Senate Intelligence Report on 2016 collusion. Even the Republicans on that committee know the truth and are hoping that Trump just loses. Right now the real question is how deeply Putin has penetrated the Republican party. We will find out by January 20th. If the Republicans magically manage to hang on to the Senate and White House, expect 12 more years of Trump and sons.
So Putin is making love to the Republican party.
Can you marshal even a single real fact to support this claim, an actual fact, not some spin.
So Casual Observer just basically outed himself as working for one of the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee?
Look, collusion was not proven. But Russian interference absolutely has been proven. It is in Comey’s report. It is in the Senate report. If you deny that, you are just closing your eyes. You are like Trump, believing Putin’s “very strong denials” over the unanimous findings of several branches of the intelligence services.
They know. They are simply not arguing in good faith and would rather misinform.
The Comey report?
Do you mean the Mueller report?
Mueller proved nothing.
Mueller even charged a russian firm that had spent 100k of Facebook ads where half were for Hillary Clinton and claimed this was proof that Russians had interfered with US election and caused Trump to be elected.
After said Russian firm made it clear they would fight in court and sent lawyers Mueller dropped the case really quick and claimed “sources and methods” might be compromised if it went to trial.
The election had about 2 billion aka 2000 million ad money spent by the campaigns and parties and Super PAC’s and organized labor and teachers and all the others so 100k did not affect anything.
The 17 intelligence agencies assessment was total embarrassment since “insurance policy” Strzok with her lover Lisa Page are the ones who wrote most of it under supervision of CIA’s ex-communist Brennan and Flynn hounding and lying James “Hillary’s emails investigation” Comey from FBI and James “lied to congress and then Snowden revealed he had lied” Clapper and the assessment was based on Crowdstrike’s claim that DNC emails were hacked by Russia but under oath Crowdstrike CEO said he had no actual proof and FBI did not even look at the DNC server and other material affecting the 17 intelligence agency assessment was British agent Steele’s bogus report ordered and paid by Hillary Clinton and DNC 50/50 with the main subsource of Steele being a russian drunk living in USA and working for a Democrat thinktank.
No wonder russians are laughing at USA since these kinds of incompetent partisan incompetents were made leaders of US intelligence under Obama.
The years long “russian collusion” delusion has strenghtened Putin inside Russia and towards neighboring countries because people have started believing Putin is really that clever and can really accomplish those kinds of things when in reality Putin is an aging oligarch whose grip on power is based on police beating the opposition in the streets and having control over Russia through state owned medias and medias owned by other oligarchs.
US media situation is almost as bad as Russia and Democrat party’s hangarounds Antifa and BLM take care of the beatings and yell at and harass people trying to eat at a restaurant and burn and loot and even murder people and police.
Paper ballots counted in public is the world recognized Gold Standard of elections because they are auditable & transparent. Electronic voting is audit less and alterable at will and the devices are owned by rich folks with agendas that the Supremes have ruled don’t have to explain to us the public how they “count” votes because it’s a trade secret or private property. In other words privitized elections. Shame on you for not including this incontrovertible fact. Just like universal single payer healthcare is the world recognized Gold Standard for healthcare.