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Trump Jumps the Shark With a Call to Suspend the Constitution

Trump’s comment on “Truth” media is over the top, even for Trump.

“So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” he added. “Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections,” said Trump on the dubiously named “Truth” media that Trump founded.

The National Review reports Trump: Constitution Should Be Suspended over ‘Massive Fraud’ in 2020 Election

Republican Representative Mike Turner, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, suggested in an interview on CBS’s Face the Nation that Trump’s calls to ditch the Constitution will hurt his 2024 prospects and lead many voters to choose a more stalwart conservative.

“I believe, answering your question, that people certainly are going to take into consideration a statement like this as they evaluate a candidate,” he said.

Enemy of the Constitution

GOP Rep Adam Kinzinger

https://twitter.com/LegionOfFellas/status/1599428111686283264

Politico reports Cheney calls Trump ‘enemy of the Constitution’ after he proposes terminating it

“No honest person can now deny that Trump is an enemy of the Constitution,” Cheney tweeted on Sunday.

“It is certainly not consistent with the oath that we all take,” said Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio). “I vehemently disagree with the statement that Trump has made.”

But Turner, speaking to host Margaret Brennan on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” declined to say Trump’s remarks were “disqualifying” when it came to his presidential candidacy.

“There is a political process that has to go forward,” Turner said.

Pressed by host George Stephanopoulos on whether he could support someone who had suggested suspending the Constitution, Rep. Dave Joyce (R-Ohio) said on ABC’s “This Week” that he would “support whoever the Republican nominee is.”

Both Joyce and Rep.-elect Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.) said they didn’t think voters wanted to look “backward,” following Republicans’ unexpectedly narrow House majority victory last month. 

“I certainly don’t endorse that language,” Lawler said of Trump’s constitutional “termination” on CNN’s “State of the Union.” He urged Trump to look toward the future as Trump seeks the presidency again.

Trump also continued to take some criticism Sunday on his dinner late last month with antisemitic white nationalist Nick Fuentes and rapper Ye, better known as Kanye West. “This is atrocious,” Turner said, adding that he was astounded that in 2022, antisemitism still even had to be condemned.

“We need to make it clear we reject antisemitism left, right and center,” former Vice President Mike Pence said on “Fox News Sunday.” Pence said the question of whether the dinner was “disqualifying” is “for the American people” to decide.

GOP lawmakers have mostly declined to condemn Trump for the meeting, even if they’ve taken issue with the dinner itself. Ye has since made additional antisemitic comments, drawing additional fire from some Republicans.

Pence previously said Trump should apologize for meeting with Fuentes.

Constitution Greater Than Any Person

Jump the Shark

With that clearly ridiculous comment, Trump jumped the shark. One has to have TDS Type II to defend such idiocy. 

But there are still a huge number of Type II afflicted individual. 

Justin Amish nails it.

A presidential candidate who calls for the Constitution’s “termination” is not someone who can credibly swear an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Something is seriously wrong with you if you disagree with Amish.

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mrchinup
mrchinup
3 years ago
While this commie government destroys America, Mish is still posting about Trump. Trump still lives rent free in his head. How sad what he’s turned his blog into.
desertsteve
desertsteve
3 years ago
Given what occurred before and during Trumps presidency and in addition to what is going on now it seems the constitution was suspended sometime in 2016. There has been zero accountability for the fake Russia hoax, covid lies, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden corruption, Clinton corruption, election irregularities and maybe most important a politicized and corrupt FBI. Those who are benefitting for their side winning are cheering it all while the country burns but ultimately there will be no where to hide from the fire of corruption. So, it seems that Trump is just advocating for what has already occurred and continues to occur.
The corrupt swamp controls everything including democrats and most republicans. The people are losing but most of them don’t even know it. Constitution? What constitution?
CRZYHUN
CRZYHUN
3 years ago
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
These kookometer readings are the highest I’ve seen! Kookery of this magnitude may well cause a kookularity!
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Hi Mish.
What do you know about Fuentes?
Being an expert, please compare and contrast his positions to those of Malcolm X.
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
😂
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Mish, what is this ‘constitution’ you speak of?
Washington jumped the shark – while in office (Whiskey Rebellion with everyone’s favorite entertainer, Hamilton!)
Lincoln jumped the shark – while in office. Was the Constitution a death pact among the states? That would be a surprise to most who signed it.
Wilson jumped the shark – while in office. Ask Eugene V. Debs for starters. Bonus question: who pardoned Debs?
Mish, you are about my age. How about letting the little kiddies here know that U.S. did not ever declare war in Viet Nam? So. what’s with all those memorials and names? An ode to the colonial France heroin trade?
In what Amendment to the Constitution does the Patriot Act appear?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
Yes, let’s talk about anything but fat baby demanding the constitution be ignored for him.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
Given your examples, it’s ok to nullify the Constitution?
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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
It not.
But it’s no less OK for Trump to do so and admit to it; than for the rest of Juntadom to having done so for a century without admitting to it. Whether the ape in question admits to doing so or not; is irrelevant.
It is the act of banning people from owning and carrying Stingers, as well as from yelling fire and n-words, that constitutes nullifying the constitution. Not whether one admits to it. Nor even whether one comprehends this.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
So, the 2nd amendment gives us each the right to own a nuke?
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
3 years ago
What Constitution? The one that protects free speech? That’s gone at the behest of the neo-Marxists, FBI and DOJ. The Constitution that protects our borders? Long gone. The one that protects against elected officials from profiting as foreign agents? Dead.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
The one you’re talking treason about. That one.
johnny
johnny
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Zardoz, an appropriate moniker for an obvious Bolshevik. All you need to do is preface it with Komrade.
Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
While there are many reasons for believing that there was not any significant voter fraud in 2020, even if there was voter fraud, the last thing you would ever want would be to suspend the Constitution. If a new Constitution were to be drafted today it would be far, far inferior to the existing one, and would without a doubt create a government with more power, and with less personal liberties than we now enjoy. This scary statement by Trump only confirms that he is not someone I want in power.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
I thought everyone in government hated the constitution. Government is the biggest violator of it.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
As it happens, you believe a lot of things that just aren’t true. You could avoid a lot of confusing moments like this, if you’d just embrace reality.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
Ugh! If there is anything worst than the attention seeking Trump it’s the people on either side who are obsessed with him and what he says.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
I know! Why can’t people just ignore little gaffs and details like destroying our entire government?
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
3 years ago
Mish, as a bona fide Independent, Demopublican and Republicrat rejecting person, I honestly do not know who is more frightening: This narcissistic self-absorbed sociopath or the Cult of Personality that worships him.
Care to venture a guess?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
Not sure, but I think you’re implying Trump’s the sociopath, agree.
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Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
The cult that follows him is worse. It’s what gives Trump his power.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Not a Trump cultist but Im wondering where the F you get this out of that tweet?
“Trump proposes “termination of all rules, even those found in the constitution.”
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Get mother to read the tweet for you, maybe with sound effects. Whatever it takes to make her special boy understand a simple statement.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Mish, Im being told I have a reading comprehension issue, Can you please explain where Trump proposed termination of all rules and even those found in the constitution in the tweet?
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
You…have a reading comprehension issue.
“…allows for the termination of all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”
I’m sorry – you can contort all you want – it doesn’t get more obvious than that.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
democracy works. since ancient greece/rome. hate mongers elect themselves. democracy works.
johnny
johnny
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Trump’s done; however, that doesn’t diminish what the other side did (to all honest Citizens) in order to eliminate him. What happened to our Constitution & Liberties, in my view, are now gone forever.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
the cult is more dangerous. rump just feeding the hate. he knows how to read a room and a nation. and an empire.
johnny
johnny
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
So, what side is the most evil cult of scumbags? Really, maybe both are. Maybe we need another Party at this juncture. Unfortunately, this has as much chance of occurring as in CHYNA.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
US CONSTITUTION has been a NON BINDING RESOLUTION for decades by both parties. they codified torture and extra judicial execution under NDAA in global war on terror(funny war on a being mean). HUMPTY TRUMPTY is right. he’s just late. constitution is already been suspended. give the con man actor in opera makeup and wig his due. he’s a visionary. sarcasm for the nitwit crowd.
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
If Trump proclaimed that he loved candy-coated anchovies on his pizza then you’d be putting a double order on every pie that you ordered. Just another form of TDS and SHAME ON YOU for not having any principles.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
you missed my point old sport. i do love anchovies on my pie. i’m italian and amerikan passport dually. amerikans are children at the game of reality of their empire. very dumbed down like babies.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Trump’s tweet is nothing new. He thinks the election was bogus. Nothing new or unusual there. A few votes the other way and we’d be hearing the same thing from the other side. Yawn.
But what should be done given a bogus election? That’s the question dealt with in the “new” part of the tweet. And, that’s where the “constitution” may come up. Or not. Either way, we know the US constitution gets, um, downplayed in extreme and unusual situations. Wars, typically. Pandemics? A botched or fraudulent national election? Well, that would depend on the nature of the botch/fraud. But something unprecedented would happen in any case.
This is all wonk speculation. Even a smoking gun is likely to take beyond 2024 to clearly see.
So we’re left with yet another tempest-in-a-DC teapot. Keeping the 24/7 news cycle filled.
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Seems to me a good chunk of the republican party is not necessarily up for voiding the constitution but bending laws or shades of grey to their benefit. An example is ron d. Is gonna get fla law changed so he wont have to resign as gov to run for president. Wonder if he was a dem would the the fla legislators change the law for him. / othe examples get a conservative judge to rule in your favor/ ship immigrants illegally. / any shade of grey do it let the lawyers clean things up.
Imo it seems the party needs to focus less on how to rig the system and more on redefining conservatism for the times were in. Instead of a 1950s mentality.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
The founding fathers were obviously in favor of the constitution, but the constitution has already been put aside
  • by the secret government (intel agencies)
  • by politicized LEO and federal agencies (inc FED)
  • by fraudulent voting process
The founding fathers revolted and fomented a revolution b/c the social contract (‘constitution’ & natural rights) were being trodden underfoot by the British crown and its enforcers. Trump is not arguing to abrogate the constitution de jure but that it has already been abrogated de facto.
dguillor
dguillor
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
If the voting process is fraudulent, why did the courts not agree? The claims made by the Trump camp are what’s fraudulent, like the claim that they had great evidence of fraud and the myriad claims regarding Dominion machines.
The FED isn’t politicized. They print plenty for both parties.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
I find it strange that so many eastern Europeans, Baltics and Russians are obsessed with “voting fraud” in the U.S.
Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
It’s not strange at all. All democracies fail in time, and the key recipe is:
1. Get people to not trust the news
2. Get people to not trust elections
3. Create a crisis which justifies suspending the Constitutution
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Weimar playbook, written by Goebbels
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Produce evidence that the election was stolen.
You won’t, because you can’t.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
daddy told me it was stolen. /sarc for the nit wits
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Now that trump has made this statement and has been called out for it, it is on Trump to clarify it. If he is saying that the vote fraud by the left has already essentially killed the constitution then that is one thing. But if he is suggesting that we kill the constitution, like Mish and other left leaning trump haters seem to be stating, then I’m going to have to side away from Trump on this, big time. In fact it would be his biggest political blunder, ever.
Trump needs to clarify his own statements here and he better be careful what he says. Because if he thinks the simple fact that the left cheated in 2020 is enough reason to suspend the constitution then his narcissism, which we have all known to be present, would have to be rated as “officially out of control”.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
This is pursuant to a comment below that included a link to a video on Youtube–supposedly Trump talking about drinking bleach. For reasons unknown my response was ‘sent to the moderator’ aka ‘the blog black hole’. My response is reproduced below:
… Trump never mentions ‘drinking bleach’. However, he does mention using a ‘disinfectant’ to expunge the virus, or exposing the body from within to (UV) light.
You assume he is a moron, because it fits your media-driven preconception. What Trump is actually doing is sharing ideas–stimulating innovation. Just about every innovation meets with ridicule at the idea-stage. Ideas come easily to some people–Trump might be one of them–it accounts for some of his off-the-wall statements. Generally, initial ideas are partially formed; unusual, even radically changed from the current state, and are consequently rejected by normative thinkers (such as yourself). BTW, such ideas are synonymous with risk and ridicule. It takes a person like Trump or Musk to make them happen.
The scientific solution to Covid has since proven to be less than 100% effective, likely as low as 50% effective, and perhaps deadly in the long term. So what about Trump’s ideas? We treat cancer with radiation (among other things). I suspect a day will come when laser (or UV) light probes are focused on unhealthy cells? What; we’re already doing that? https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-treatments/l/laser/types/laser-surgery.html
What about disinfecting? You mentioned bleach. How about this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5019402A/en
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You make some valid philosophical points. However, Trump is no genius except in the areas of demagoguery and gaming the legal system.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
“… fits your media-driven preconception…” is in my comment for a reason. Preconceptions exist on all sides. Modern media is all about driving (forming and maintaining) preconceptions. It is brainwashing at its worst, insidious and long-lasting.
Musk-Twitter is infinitely healthier for the human mind than Echo-Chamber-Twitter even if people struggle with contrarian view points. The same is true on Mish Talk.
I spend time countering opinions such as yours because it makes me think. One of the ‘tricks’ used in idea think-tanks is limiting ‘negativity’ until an idea has gained traction. I suggest trying it. What is Trump’s ‘genius’, besides appealing to certain voters? A strength is being outspoken. A weakness is not communicating well/being offensive. Which is more important in the long run?
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
As I said you make some valid philosophical (and cultural/media) points. But Trump is a chaos merchant not a paradigm changer. You have to have legitimate ethics to be the latter. You’re astute, but you’re allegiance has been mistakenly captured by the dark side. Trump is going to be history and likely behind bars by the general election. Republican “leaders” are now figuring this out and throwing him under the bus.
We require a grand integration of the left and right political and economic perspectives and that is exactly what the new monetary and financial paradigm will accomplish. Changing the monopolistic monetary paradigm as the sole form and vehicle for the creation and distribution of new money, namely Debt Only, with strategically implemented Monetary Gifting will integrate the self interests of both the consumer and enterprise. Unfortunately neither the left or right will presently embrace it because its too philosophically radical and goes against the King, namely Finance. But if it ever gets a platform so everyone sees that a single one of its policies will immediately double their purchasing power, potentially doubles demand for every consumer product and service all while forever ending inflation…the first political party to embrace it will have an unbeatable coalition much greater than Roosevelt’s after the Great Depression. Just do the simple math on the 50% Discount/Rebate policy at the point of retail sale until it blows your economic mind.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Don’t you think that a 70% Discount/Rebate policy would help the people more?
Perhaps 80% on odd-numbered Thursdays?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
you porn is better use of my time than twitter. for past decade.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“You assume he is a moron, because it fits your media-driven preconception. What Trump is actually doing is sharing ideas–stimulating innovation. Just about every innovation meets with ridicule at the idea-stage.”
He is a moron.
Trump exposed his strategy as president, tenacity alone with near zero acumen. A horrid track record of spurning investors, scams (Trump U.), bankruptcies and failures.
As president, he hired “the best people”, then fired them without hesitance when they tried to do their job and it opposed his “expertise”.
Trump is like a 12 year old rich kid angrily insisting his parents invest in his failing lemonade stand, telling them each consecutive failure is only because they haven’t given him enough money, rather than acknowledge the failure and learn from it.
“It takes a person like Trump or Musk to make them happen.”
Musk has a successful track record, albeit Twitter may break that streak…. it appears Musk adopted Trumps “speak first, think later” strategy on that one.
The two are not even slightly comparable, Musk has made viable contributions to Capitalism, Trump is a parasite.
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
“Trump is like a 12 year old rich kid angrily insisting his parents
invest in his failing lemonade stand, telling them each consecutive
failure is only because they haven’t given him enough money, rather than
acknowledge the failure and learn from it.”
Why did this immediately make me think of the teacher’s unions and the Department of Education?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
According to psychology, a schizoid personality makes great artists & poets.
spa sidechats
spa sidechats
3 years ago
I give it until 2030 before the printing press officially breaks. I was hoping we would have one last good run with a Marcus Aurelius type who restores the Republic but the odds don’t look good at all. I suspect the big reveal happens when the US can no longer pay the military. Only a handful to protect the ruling class. When this group of mercenaries realize they have all the power the game will be up.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  spa sidechats
The big reveal is when welfare payments are not enough for the masses. High inflation, high interest rates… do the math. A few years at most.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
This will be interesting to see in the country with the highest per capita stash of firearms and ammunition in civilian hands.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  spa sidechats
They might be able to use drones by then, and not need to pay soldiers. At that point things will definitely take a turn for the worse.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
I detest politicians of all species and intent, but it is time to discuss our form of government. It’s quite apparent that the corruption runs deep, and I suggest our government no longer is appropriate for us. I don’t even think “reform” would benefit the populace. Singapore seems to do well with a benevolent dictator. The Venetians, for quite some time had alternating heads of families on a regular basis that seemed to do well.
I don’t really have any other suggestions, but our present government needs to be replaced. Our founders were thoughtful men, but they might be mortally surprised at the state nowadays.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
Election fraud is a delusion. Pols on both sides are either so ignorant, bereft of ethics or unable to think paradigmatically/wisely that they twiddle their thumbs while the republic is racing toward collapse. When you’re down by 6 points with 40 seconds on the clock in the 4th quarter it is time to “go deep, go long”. The touchdown pass we need is a paradigm change in the money system and hence in the economy. Genuine paradigm changes resolve the major problems of the current/old paradigm and benefit virtually everyone, and that is why they work and are irresistible….after one drops their pre-conceived ideas and are willing to consider complete conceptual opposition to the current ways of thinking. The clock is ticking for humanity.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Before we change the money-system paradigm we need to fix government waste and abuse.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
With the dual policies of a 50% Discount/Rebate at retail sale and a $1000/mo. universal dividend we can eliminate the entire welfare bureaucracy and the payroll taxes for welfare, unemployment insurance and even for social security. If that isn’t enough slashing then consider that by terminally eliminating inflation there is very little need to pay income taxes in order to (fail) to control inflation hence the IRS can probably be hugely downsized. The only necessary reason to tax (which IS a legitimate governmental power according to the constitution) is if your commercial actions (like arbitrarily inflating your prices) try to game or water down the universal beneficial effects of the new paradigm. i’ve got this all covered in my book by the way.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Hear, here!
Stop with the complaints.
Americans have the best Government money can buy!
Corvinus
Corvinus
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
Unfortunately our system is only as good as the quality of people that participate. It probably worked better when it was dominated by a well educated landed gentry who shared the same overall culture and value system. Add to that the fact that political service was a part time affair at the beginning – not a career. I’m not advocating for oligarchy or plutocracy or anything like that but I can acknowledge the stabilizing force that it represents regardless. Today any idiot or illegal alien can vote given the loose rules in place – fewer people with skin in the game leads inevitably into a overwhelming increase of people that “can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury” as Alexander Fraser Tytler put it. That coupled with a capturing of the political class by the globally minded extremely wealthy class who have no real allegiances….well here we are.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
We are taught that the Venetians built their success on trading. By the 12th century, a very large part of what was traded was slaves–the volume surpassing any other city/country. Of the slave markets in Venice, the Rialto and S. Giorgio were key centers. Be sure to visit on your next trip, but don’t expect to see any signs.
As for government corruption, the solution is simple: capital punishment.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
in 12th century as the 17th century, barely anyone alive at that time could have comprehended a world WITHOUT SLAVES. i lived down the block from a slave trading store. it was a museum. to it’s credit.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
vanderlyn, if anyone should be subjected to punishment for CAPITALS it is you.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Suspending the constitution was always the plan, how else could he remain president for life, what with that pesky 2 term constitutional limitation?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Not president for life, but given the shocking amount of corruption in the electoral process, Trump should get a do-over.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
He should get a do over in 2024. IF they can cheat twice in a row even if given 4 years advance warning then the dems deserve to be in charge.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
RUMP has zero chance. if he is on ballot, and i do think he will be. Biden will easily win. by actual votes or outright stealing. why are MAGA so dumb. so gullible. Biden stole it fair and square from his basement. look up front porch strategy.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The 2020 election was not stolen, it was bought and paid for.
Just like the other elections.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Trust me, his plan is to be president for life, like his heroes.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
i’ve been saying since Jan 7th. i doubt Kamala Harris will ever leave whitehouse. we will have 50 state solution, but she’ll be our monarch and nobody will really care.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Demagogues and despots always overplay their hand and Trump is no exception. He’s history. Unfortunately there are way too many people in the right wing idiocracy that will be happy to pick up with the election fraud etc. etc. bogus issue…even when there is absolutely zero or insignificant evidence for them. We live in VERY “interesting times” and honest analysis and the willingness to integrate only the truths in opposites AKA wisdom will save us from self destruction.
Nonplused
Nonplused
3 years ago
Idiots. He is clearly arguing that the fraudsters are being allowed to terminate the constitution, as he’s been arguing all along. Read it again.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”.
I seriously doubt Trump is arguing to “throw out the constitution to save it”. It is much more likely he is arguing that by allowing fraud the constitution becomes irrelevant. That is much more consistent with everything he has argued so far.
So would everyone be bloviating as they are if text was more clear as in: “Allowing a Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude is also allowing for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”?
So we really have three interpretations of what Trump did here. The first is a slip of the tongue that allows people with TDS to come to a horrible conclusion if they ignore all of the context Trump has provided over the years. The second is that Trump has suddenly started arguing for the abolishment of the constitution, which is exactly the opposite of what his voters want. Or the third, more likely even if somewhat accidental, is that Trump has forced his opponents to take sides, either for fraud or for the constitution.
Yes, that is exactly what Trump just did. Even Mish here was forced to argue that fraud is ok if it protects the constitution. Well done Mish!
Yes, I know, the “fraud” has never been “proven” to the left. Malfunctioning voting machines primarily in republican ridings, ballot harvesting, late night ballot drops, declining ballot counts, ballot harvesting, dead people voting, undocumented people voting, no oversite, no audits, and interfering with observers, none of this is technically illegal. Therefore it is not fraud, the left argues. But that is a very thin definition of “fraud”. You can use “deception” as a similar meaning. To commit fraud, you don’t have to do anything technically illegal, you just have to lie about it.
For example, you aren’t doing anything illegal if you sell a car that has been in a wreck and has a restored title. You are committing fraud if you misrepresent or omit the car’s history.
Remember folks, the left, like any criminal, always projects. They know that what they have done is contrary to the spirit constitution. Therefore they accuse Trump of advocating the abolishment of the constitution. And in this case they are using the placement or omission of maybe 4 words to do it.
This will go down as another hoax of the left. What are we up to now? 17 hoaxes? This will go down with the “Russian collusion”, “fine people”, “drink bleach” and other hoaxes.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Nonplused
Trump is a classic narcissist, that is he is incapable of considering anything other than his own self interests. There is no evidence for significant election fraud. It’s all just a lame attempt to foment his diminishing base. Get real.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
If the government conspires with corporations to eliminate freedom of speech about an upcoming election, when such speech would injure the preferred party, does that qualify as election meddling?
Is it fraud when the government conspires with corporations to withhold the truth about a candidate, thereby affecting the outcome of an election?
If the answer to either question is YES, then isn’t the election is invalidated? The Constitution quite clearly intends the people to elect their representatives, not for the government to impose its favorite.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Their both no, or at least cancelled out by Fox, MSNBC and other propaganda sites whose sway on the minds of voters essentially cancel out their electoral/popular vote effects. It’s just another none issue pushed by the right. Republicans haven’t won the popualar vote in how many recent elections. That’s because they are a minority party heading toward rump status. They know this that is why they push non-issues to try to hide it and would elect sec.’s of state to nullify the increasingly inevitable democratic party victories that are coming.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Exactly.
We should simply let the big urban blue cities select our Government.
They are getting close to having a majority of the people anyway.
No need to trouble the farmers in the hinterlands.
spa sidechats
spa sidechats
3 years ago
Federal election laws were broken. On that alone the fraud is significant. Legislators make election laws not judges. Judges is what happens in 3rd world countries. The founders did this for a specific reason. If anyone does not understand why they eventually will when all their candidates lose and they lose all their rights. At that point they will understand it.
ajc1970
ajc1970
3 years ago
Reply to  Nonplused
At best it’s ambiguous, at worst it’s exactly what people are claiming it is
My hatred of Biden and the Democratic Party isn’t enough to make me forget how Trump put himself in these positions every day as President. There’s no way it was an accident… intentionally ambiguous, outrageous statements that eat up the news cycles, every damn day. We’ll all be better when this actor exits the stage. He doesn’t fight fires, he throws gasoline on them and marvels at the bigger flames.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  ajc1970
An alternative explanation is Trump spoke often and openly about many issues confronting the US, unlike BIden who cowers in Delaware and only talks with selected interviewers who asked prepared questions.
Also, as much as I believe Trump’s ego made him a poor choice for President, I think he became frustrated by deep-seated and prolonged very-biased attacks.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  ajc1970
I agree. His actions and inactions during Covid are disqualifying. It is humorous to hear all the shrieking about enemy of the constitution by those who were perfectly fine with US acts of war carried out in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and countless others without a declaration of war. In fact, the constitution was suspended long ago. Trump should be tried as a war criminal for his extra-judicial assasination of Soleimani.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
Reply to  Nonplused
Thank you. You are absolutely correct. But Trump haters are like Russian haters: no amount of evidence is going to change their mind.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  Nonplused
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck – it’s probably a duck. Trump was not writing from the point of view of an election fraudster. He always writes about himself (you can check that in all of his twits or tweets or falsies or whatever they are called) and this output is no different. He advocated voiding parts of the Constitution because the election (from 2 years ago) didn’t go his way. Your contorting of the language to fit a rather lame (and debunked) narrative is … just sad.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Democrats want to pack the Supreme Court for the purpose of dismantling The Constitution. It stands in their way.
In California, it is now a law that my doctor has to lie to me about the Covid shots. That violates Constitutional rights.
Biden’s Covid shot mandate violated Constitutional rights.
Constitutional rights are negative, they restrict the government’s power. Democrats want more government power. They try to work ways around The Constitution. Democrats want socialism, which is anti-Constitution.
The faux outrage is amusing.
yooj
yooj
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The Constitution empowers and requires the federal government to secure fundamental rights, including as against abridgment by private actors The Constitution does not only restrict government action. It also authorizes and mandates it. Read please some Randy Barnett, a leading libertarian scholar of the Constitution.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Since he edifies the Founding Fathers, and they are %100 percent pro constitution that they themselves wrote; It would indicate that he is saying fraudulent elections are a slippery slope that would allow elected leaders to eliminate when and whatever they wanted to out of the constitution. For this reason the founding fathers would not condone unfair elections.
Context is everything. I could see how people would put on a different set of glasses and think that he was calling for a suspension of the constitution. Elections are held way differently than they were 42 years ago when I first voted. The movement has been towards easier voting rather than the most secure tamper free voting. Every precinct that I ever voted in was convenient and seemed to have ample protocols for accurate vote counting. It was in person voting along with a ballot with well defined selection spaces and a sharpie pen. Votes were counted with multiple witnesses and results were available that same evening. More numerous voting locations would help in some areas, but mail in voting is a lazy way to loose our freedoms and constitution.
az_dirt
az_dirt
3 years ago
The “bUt HuNtErS lApToP!” story is the Reichstag Fire of our time. A ginned up controversy with sordid content to keep the low-information voter spun up. The part of Marinus van der Lubbe being played by Hunter and Dump says he wants to play the part of the Der Fuehrer.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
IF the evidence is conclusive, your comment, ‘ginned up controversy with sordid content’ would logically indicate your head is stuck in the dirt.
Why don’t you get rid of the NAZI baggage? It is a tired cliche of people who cannot think for themselves. Confront the facts with an open mind. To wit: one authentic laptop that proves the claims of the other side. Do you continue to believe what you are told, or do you think critically?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
az_dirt – I just can’t understand why they simply didn’t wipe the laptop.
You know, “like with a cloth?”
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Stop giving hints! It’s more entertaining this way…
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Trump is pointing out that Twitter interfered in our election. Google and Facebook also interfered in our election.
The 2020 election was corrupt.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
As a private enterprise, Twitter can legitimately interfere by restricting freedom of speech. What cannot happen is Twitter COLLUDING with government to interfere by restricting speech. Liberals do not understand that government does not get to decide an election. That is the issue.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
we need a do over. pronto. how about christmas eve? birth of our lord and saviour humpty trumpty.
Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
Reading the comments below there are plenty of members of the Trump Death Cult supporting him. New idiots to add to the Ignore list. I gave up zero hedge when it became ridiculously stupid – looks like Mish’s blog is headed that way too.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Having a closed mind is not a good thing.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Perhaps it would ease your mind if you visited only the web sites that agree with you.
Corvinus
Corvinus
3 years ago
To be fair, from the tweet by itself, it seems like what he’s describing is the state of affairs that would occur afterwards, given a fraudulent election. To wit, if the election was fraudulent then we get a situation that allows for the termination of the rule of law and even suspension of constitution by the people that presided over and managed that fraudulent election. It doesn’t read to me like he’s advocating for it himself.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
I had a hard time finding this speech in full context. I looked everywhere and could not find the full speech. All I found was commentators assertions. Anybody have a link to the full speech so we can see the context.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Maybe it was just a tweet
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Trump proves yet again, that he is not the person for the top job. That said, those complicit in any of the various frauds to unseat a ‘duly elected’ President, or committed fraud to prevent such election, are guilty of treason and should be excuted.
duude
duude
3 years ago

quoting kinznger and cheney?

you can do better than that
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
There have been many sharks, and he has jumped them all and survived. The man is a sharkroach.
Steve333
Steve333
3 years ago
The only call to “suspend the Constitution” was the one dreamed up in the dark inner recesses if the Mish political cesspool, aka his brain. He then proceeds to get exercised about Fuentes, who Milo admitted it was all a setup, when Biden has a cross dressing dog-sex fanatic in his administration, who so loved sniffing pantise he’s stealing suitcases at the airport.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve333
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present, Kook of the Day!
Toot toot!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It seems anyone who does not agree with you is a ‘kook of the day’.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve333
I’ve noticed that there is a marked tendency to not be able to stay on topic for those that really, really like our former president. He had that problem too. I believe the ‘interwebs’ have pronounced that affliction as Whataboutism.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Had to look up ‘jump the shark’….
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
I remember looking forward to that Happy Days episode with great anticipation (we had 3 channels, entertainment was scarce), and when I finally got to watch it, I got to witness the birth of that term, and feel the letdown.
radar
radar
3 years ago
I don’t think he meant it that way, I think he was referring to the left’s ‘termination of all rules’ like accepting ballots after the deadline.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  radar
If you count every other letter in the tweet and multiply by 14, it says “just kidding”
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
ha ha ha. bet some will believe it.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Hilarious! Either the media can’t read simple English sentences or they are deliberately misrepresenting President Trump’s words, once again.
Definitely the Democrats’ ongoing election fraud has allowed for the termination (or at least, the ignoring) of a great many laws, rules and of the Constitution itself. We see it all the time, with the lack of investigations into frauds, the lack of convictions of caught fraudsters by Democrat judges, the near total loss of the once-sacred secret ballot. But hey, the Constitution doesn’t apply to Democrats, right?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly

He also added a special secret message to his simps to rush out and defend him.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
There are still MAGA cult members supporting him, even after he says he is anti-Constitution. That tells you everything you need to know.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Traitors… but stupid ones, luckily.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Now, presented with (damning) evidence that the US Government actually conspired with Twitter to eliminate freedom of speech and thereby change the outcome of an election, leftists continue to pursue Trump/MAGA. And Musk, once the darling of the left, is constantly disparaged, while Bankman-Fried is lauded by the biased (aka leftist) media…
What does that say about leftists? Are they really so dumb that they cannot see they have been massively conned; or they just don’t care?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
All Trump needs now is a fire at the Reichstag.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
His brown shirts are too old and fat. Can’t pull it off.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
i like the black shirts of mussolini much better. he’s my favorite fascist of all time. the original. and i’ve got italiano citizen. amerikanos have no clue about fascism. pro tip. Rs and Ds at national level in amerika are all fascists.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
“pro tip. Rs and Ds at national level in amerika are all fascists.”
No, on the political spectrum Fascism is the most extreme right, Communism is extreme left.
Ask someone with a political science degree…an actual pro.
.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Funny, I was just thinking, ‘Who will bring up the Reichstag fire’?
However, if you actually know history, you will also know there are far more similarities between the NAZI party tactics of the 1930s and those of today’s democrap Party.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“However, if you actually know history, you will also know there are far more similarities between the NAZI party tactics of the 1930s and those of today’s democrap Party.”
I know history, the far right since 2008 is scary, extremely open to hateful suggestion.
.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
2008? Or do you mean after the deification of Saint Barack?
Democrats seem to follow the guerilla tactics of Alinsky more than the politics of Mussolini/Goebbels.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
I’m all for a new Presidential candidate for the GOP. Trump had his opportunity.
We should just remain clear headed about who is against the constitution and the bill of rights. Censorship, freedom of speech, unreasonable search and seizure, a right to a speedy trail – all of these the current administration is violating. It does make sense when you realize that the Democrat party is the party of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow laws, the summer of riots (2020) and the violence of ANTIFA.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Let’s see how many crimes InvestigationPalooza 2023 finds. Care to set the over under? Whatever it is, I’ll take the under.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Found or prosecuted? That’s a big difference in our 2 tiered justice system.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Look, can we leave Hunter out of this for now? That investigation is the only plank in the GOP platform, and we are gonna hear about it nonstop to hide their failure to do anything else.
Vote GOP, and join the pity party!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
LMAO. Now, why would you want to leave Hunter out of it? Getting a little scared are we? Are you afraid the fact that MSM and FBI lies will soon become known? That the left-biased media, and the Democrap Party have constantly lied, faked evidence, and made fools of its voters? Perhaps even murdered to protect itself?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
A more interesting question is will the mainstream media cover the hearings? Perhaps the MSM coverage of the ‘Twitter files’ is an indication.
Mr Practical
Mr Practical
3 years ago
Hahaha–THIS is what did it? Anyone who has stuck by this moron through everything prior is not going to bothered one bit by anything new.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Practical
They’ve got their fingers in their ears, going “lalalalal I can’t here you!”
A trump simp is forever.
MikeC711
MikeC711
3 years ago
Trump has always his own worst enemy and this latest tirade is exhibit A. He had some amazing accomplishments as president … and having looked at my retirement accounts … I can’t afford any more time with democratic ecomonic policies … but conservatives need to somehow put Trump out to pasture.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
What accomplishments? A tax cut for the rich and a wall full of holes.
Your undying loyalty was purchased cheaply.
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You are either deliberately ignorant, uninformed, or both. By ANY metric, this country is much worse off under Biden.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
Actually, by most metrics we are far ahead. Jobs being one of the most important. There are obvious things to improve, but saying we are uniformly worse is just to say that you don’t know what you are talking about.
Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
There are probably at least 50 million followers of Orange Jesus who would follow him over a cliff. Are they all mentally ill? Sure, this is AmeriKKKa where all that matters to millions of white people is white supremacy. Maybe Trump will found a revitalized American Nazi party? Sieg heil anyone?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro

Nazis need a fat dumb daddy figure they can identify with.

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
OK. I assume you also think there’s an epidemic of white people attacking Asians.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

You really don’t want to talk about trump wanting the constitution suspended do you? It’s like you think daddy can do no wrong, but here’s a picture of daddy doing wrong! Does… not… compute!

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Not posting constant lame jokes, which are never funny by the way, isn’t the same as not wanting to talk about something. Here’s some help. To be funny, what you post has to have some truth to it.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
If his posts result in this sort of whiny butthurt then they are, by definition, entertaining.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
KidHorn, unbeknownst to us, is the most persecuted human in the USA.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago

He’s just so darn fun to persecute, I can’t resist!

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Non sequitur.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
the kid is a sad child. but funny as phuck to mock. thanks KID. hat tip to ya.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The violence done by one race against other races, and even within the race itself is too close to the truth. However, I doubt most left-leaning people are aware of the actual extent. I’m not sure why that is. Perhaps, because they believe only what they are told.
Far more important, the comments preceding yours are very educational. Notice the religious jibe (Orange Jesus). The claim of mental illness is particularly apropos given Biden’s unfortunate mental state. And of course, we cannot forget the Klan–a mostly Southern Democrat organization, at a time when Democrats fought AGAINST civil rights, until they realized blacks were easily won votes. White supremacy sneaks in–yet notice how the left’s hatred for hard work, risk taking, and intelligence does not apply to itself. Only conservative whites express white supremacy. Yes, they actually believe that. And finally, the timeless cliche of NAZI is applied to anyone who stands in their way.
TLinFL
TLinFL
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Ask Congress, they’re making heroes out of the Azov brigade
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
CULT 101. IT’S FUNNY AS PHUCK TO WATCH. hat tip to the nit wits. makes life worth living. take a bow.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
He’s not serious. It’s just political speak. It’s amazing how people still absurdly overreact to everything he does and says. Anyone else doing something similar gets no reaction.
I’m glad he’s allowed back on twitter.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes, he isn’t serious. He has already supported an insurrection where many were injured in order to do exactly what he has called for again. I don’t believe that you think seriously.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
An example of what I’m referring to.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

Your love for that greasy pig is truly touching.

FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
When did Trump support the “insurrection”, charges for which = 0? Please provide direct Trump quotes, in addition to “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”. We’ll wait.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Just like how it was sarcasm when he deadpan singsonged that we should drink bleach.
Making excuses for your abusive, addled, narcissist husband isn’t a good look, Betty.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What? Drinking bleach? Where do you get your information?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I misremembered. He wanted us to inject it. Bring more excuses, it makes for a fine show for the folks watching.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Where did he tell people to inject bleach?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your comment is both hilarious and bothersome. Did you actually watch the video on Youtube?
Trump never mentions ‘drinking bleach’. However, he does mention using a ‘disinfectant’ to expunge the virus, or exposing the body from within to (UV) light.
You assume he is a moron, because it fits your media-driven preconception. What Trump is actually doing is sharing ideas–stimulating innovation. Just about innovation meets with ridicule at the idea-stage. Ideas come easily to some people–Trump might be one of them–it accounts for some of his off-the-wall statements. Generally, initial ideas are partially formed, unusual, even radically changed from the current state, and are consequently rejected by normative thinkers (such as yourself). BTW, such ideas are synonymous with risk and ridicule. IT takes a person like Trump or Musk to make them happen.
The scientific solution to Covid has since proven to be less than 100% effective, likely as low as 50% effective, and perhaps deadly in the long term. So what about Trump’s ideas? We treat cancer with radiation (among other things). I suspect a day will come when laser (UV) light probes are focused on unhealthy cells? What; we’re already doing that? https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-treatments/l/laser/types/laser-surgery.html
What about disinfecting? You mentioned bleach. How about this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5019402A/en
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your comment is both hilarious and bothersome. Did you actually watch the video on Youtube?
Trump never mentions ‘drinking bleach’. However, he does mention using a ‘disinfectant’ to expunge the virus, or exposing the body from within to (UV) light.
You assume he is a moron, because it fits your media-driven preconception. What Trump is actually doing is sharing ideas–stimulating innovation. Just about innovation meets with ridicule at the idea-stage. Ideas come easily to some people–Trump might be one of them–it accounts for some of his off-the-wall statements. Generally, initial ideas are partially formed, unusual, even radically changed from the current state, and are consequently rejected by normative thinkers (such as yourself). BTW, such ideas are synonymous with risk and ridicule. IT takes a person like Trump or Musk to make them happen.
The scientific solution to Covid has since proven to be less than 100% effective, likely as low as 50% effective, and perhaps deadly in the long term. So what about Trump’s ideas? We treat cancer with radiation (among other things). I suspect a day will come when laser (UV) light probes are focused on unhealthy cells? What; we’re already doing that? https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-treatments/l/laser/types/laser-surgery.html
What about disinfecting? You mentioned bleach. How about this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5019402A/en
FoulPlay
FoulPlay
3 years ago
and yet democrat colluding with private companies to silence people (1st Amendment) is ok. Seems as if something is askew here. Trump’s report went around the world in 5 secs………twitter’s bombshell of the 1st amendment took 2 days.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
Oh trumpling, whataboutism does not disguise the fact that trump is trash with daddy’s money.
MikeC711
MikeC711
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Trump is by no means a perfect man and this latest tirade is one of his dumbest. That said, I just looked at my retirement accounts after 2 years of democrats … and anyone who thinks Trump did not do 1000x better of a job is just not being objective. I don’t want Trump to win (or even run) in 2024 … but I can’t afford any more democratic leadership.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
This crash has been building for 2 decades and you know it. Stop making excuses for that clown.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
2 decades? OK, so why now? Why not a few years ago or perhaps a few years in the future.
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Two decades? You are an amusing human. Please keep posting you inanities.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
dumbest comment award for DEC 2022. hat tip old sport.
jfpersona
jfpersona
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeC711
So this minor downturn (and it is minor to date) had nothing to do with policies that came before? That has never been true and it is not true now. And honestly, if you only did well under Trump’s leadership – well, you’re doing it wrong then. It should have been easy to do reasonably well over the last couple decades or longer.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Trump 2016 = NONE OF THE ABOVE. (Jeb! and It’s Her Turn)
The real 2016 election fraud was against Bernie in the D primaries. (not a fan, just saying)
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
an honest person. hat tip.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
we need our hunter biden HOG photos immediately. i need them 24/7 in speed of light.

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