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US Sanction Policy Forces Russia to Default. Let’s Go Over the Ramifications

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US Pushes Russia to the Brink of Default

Please consider US pushes Russia to the Brink of Default

Russia is in imminent danger of default after the United States cut off the country’s ability to pay its debt using frozen dollars sitting in American banks.

Q: Who is Russia defaulting on?

A: Primarily European companies but US companies as well.

Essentially, the US is forcing Russia to not pay its bills which means Russia keeps its Euro and dollar reserves.

How Silly is This?

From a practical standpoint, the US should want Russia to diminish its reserves as quickly as possibly. 

Instead, US policy will force Russia to keep its reserves.

What About Legality?

Assuming Russia defaults, the US will have forced that outcome. How can this possibly be legal?

And if it’s not legal, a court of law should rule the US will have to foot the bill for any damages it caused Russia. 

Many people will like the result, assuming the US is not held liable. But we are supposed to be a nation of laws. 

This is another step down the road of illegally weaponizing dollar to suit political needs. Nothing good can come from it.

Unmistakable Message

Team Biden continues its unmistakable message to China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, well actually everyone

  • We can make your fiat reserves worthless overnight
  • Buy gold
  • Buy base metals.
  • Hoard things you have everyone needs. 

For discussion please see What Does China Do With a Dollar That’s No Longer Risk Free? Buy Gold?

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dadbod
dadbod
4 years ago
My comment is posted late, and so may not see the light of day.
I am a keen follower of the blog – almost every day. Hat tip to Mish, and always I look forward to the comments.
Times of a late are a bit crazy.
Would be nice if realist were reinstated, seems to be on good behaviour already under apparent new moniker imgreen.
Frombrussels – understand there’s a time difference between the post and you receiving it, so though prev on balance, recently I can see the heavy drinking in your posts. Sad to hear the ‘u’ key on your keyboard is not working, as i keep hearing about all your f’u’n times.
On topic: (am not a rusbot) Russia should issue notice that payment on bonds will be made from US frozen asset, if bondholder has an issue direct this to the freezer. Open and shut.
Cheers again to all.
PS am missing percunia non onlet, didnt want to google, and have always wondered if the name derived from a perculia omlete I am not allowed to have (will be pleased to be corrected 🙂
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Funny how the western media isn’t clamoring for a war crimes investigation into the Ukraine, now that a video has emerged – authenticated by the NYT – that shows the Ukrainians murdering a Russian prisoner.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
the stupidest admin in history of US bared their teeth in hunters revenge and now every american will suffer for decades. Democrats are one disgusting party of misfits and pigmen. I’m seriously thinking of running against the SF Liberal mafia members, the jim jones progressive party….
they should be tried and hanged
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Maybe you should move to Idaho. I think you would be wasting your money and your time running for any office anywhere in the SF Bay Area.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Oops!
——
‘Real downside!’ Xi Jinping rattled as China faces losing billions in EU trade over Russia
Sun, Apr 3, 2022
China faces losing hundreds of billions of pounds worth of trade with the European Union as businesses across Europe “rethink their activities in China as a result of Russia’s invasion in Ukraine”. The bombshell threat will rock Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party, as their continued support for Russia comes under sustained economic pressure. During a summit between the top leaders of the EU and China yesterday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen underlined China’s economic dependence on Brussels.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
YES …..we are going to produce our own stuff from now on …….500 % inflation is in the cards ! DO trust ignorant reptile brains like Von der Leyen b$tch ! I D IOT !
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Do you seriously think Europe is going to spend hundreds of billions less on Chinese imports because they won’t condemn Russia?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
This answers the whereto and whyfor:
—–
April 5, 2022
U.S. stops Russian bond payments, raising risk of default
NEW YORK/WASHINGTON, April 5 (Reuters) – The United States stopped the Russian government on Monday from paying holders of its sovereign debt more than $600 million from reserves held at U.S. banks, in a move meant to ratchet up pressure on Moscow and eat into its holdings of dollars.
Under sanctions put in place after Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, foreign currency reserves held by the Russian central bank at U.S. financial institutions were frozen.
But the Treasury Department had been allowing the Russian government to use those funds to make coupon payments on dollar-denominated sovereign debt on a case-by-case basis.
On Monday, as the largest of the payments came due, including a $552.4 million principal payment on a maturing bond, the U.S. government decided to cut off Moscow’s access to the frozen funds, according to a U.S. Treasury spokesperson.
An $84 million coupon payment was also due on Monday on a 2042 sovereign dollar bond .
The move was meant to force Moscow to make the difficult decision of whether it would use dollars that it has access to for payments on its debt or for other purposes, including supporting its war effort, the spokesperson said.
….
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
S L A V A R O S S I Y A !!!!!!
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Russia should notify the bondholders that they should sue the US government for their money. That would be an interesting lawsuit to follow.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
“Assuming Russia defaults, the US will have forced that outcome. How can this possibly be legal?”
Uhh… Because your fratboy from lawschol is now a judge? Who can hence; entirely arbitrarily; deem and hold and find and rule and judge and otherwise make up whatever the heck he believes bros will cheer for?
Nominal “legality” is always easily arranged in totalitarian dystopias….
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Just a question for mostly totally ignorant unworldly americans : did you actually know that US supported, utterly corrrupt, Nazi basket case Ukraine is a safe house for Islamic State terrorists ? SCUM takes care of SCUM , don t it ? …You couldn t care less of course , could you, ignorant mfrs ? I d wish Russia carpet bombs this entirely corrupt HELL HOLE and all its american biolabs with undeniably Weapons of Mass Destruction like YOU fn murderous warmongers did in Iraq killing hundreds of thousands innocents in the process …..BAS TARDS !
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You may have a point there, somewhere. But please dial back the screaming. And the swearing, abbreviated of not. If you do those things, you’re likely to be taken more seriously – even listened to.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
I DO live in Europe, in fn Belgium of all places , thanks to the fn US of A it is MY FCKN LIFE that is at stake ! So YOU are absolutely NOT in a fn position to tell ME how I m supposed to express my feelings within the context of yet another war created by YOUR fn warmonging nation !!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Toot toot! Kook alert!
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
…..There might ve been some doubt …now you ve exposed your intellectual level for once and for all…..
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I can’t help that my kook detector has an audible alert.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
they do have a red light district to help calm the nerves…..were not going to war there, were just letting Zelensky and his cronies fight it…..thats why Hunter paid them billions
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
…ok, I apologize , I do get carried away occasionally ….I admit
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Rant on, but why do you direct it at all, and not just the small group of culprits. Sure, the uni-war party is not a sign of a great system, but check how popular it is among Americans.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Sure Max, I am perfectly aware that many, or even most Americans don t like what ‘s going on, yet , watching CNN , BBC and other corrupt western msm fake news outlets makes me sick and frustrated beyond proportion, and I tend to take it out on people here on Mish talk, I guess I shouldn’t , some deserve it nevertheless for bein brainwashed fools…….Btw, thanks for the likes I occasionally get from you, there are hardly any people these days perfectly aware of what s going on it seems, we should ALL hit the streets now before it is too late, go figure, the fn EU parliament giving a standing ovation for a utterly corrupt mfn CROOK , ex clown, named fn Zelensky…..It really keeps me awake at night with pure fn ANGER ! Makes me wonder , where you from ? ….if you don t mind me asking you, that is ….
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Don’t watch CNN, BBC… Cut the cable or satellite. Watch old movies and select documentaries.
Gruss Gott from Kakanda.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Kakanda? ….if that s true, I do envy you (it rimes) ;
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Don’t watch CNN. Nobody outside of the most brainwashed leftists in the US take it seriously. It’s basically getting your news directly from the state department. Everything is a propaganda lie.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
It is fn obvious MIsh that most of your fellow, spoilt country men don t have no fn clue of what is going on in the fn world !
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
It is hard for people to get their head around it so you can’t blame them. Your people on the other hand are very much in denial. You started the war because you believe you will win it. You won’t. That’s the truth.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
…..and you are ?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
….your worst nightmare.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Once a bond has defaulted, there is little incentive for the issuer to make any further payments, especially in view of the circumstances.
That means the holders of the bond not only get a haircut or impaired cash flow, but essentially a 100% loss.
Courtesy of the US government.
I think bond holders (not Russians or Russia) and others will remember.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
A just reward for buying bonds from a dying hellhole of a country.
Don’t believe me? Hop on Google street view and drive around Russia.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Do the same for much of Baltimore. Assuming the google car actually made it there before being jacked.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I’d expect to get boned on Baltimore municipal bonds as well.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I don’t think the quality of the Street view is one of the conditions mentioned in any of these bonds.
Are you comparing to Baltimore or South LA or Detroit?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
some places in the fn US of A are hellholes too….in case you didnt know …
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
As was a good bit of Belgium when I visited.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
WHY would smug ‘intelligent ‘ Yankees come to Belgium in the first place ?
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
It was a mistake. The tiny people there had napoleon complexes. Won’t be back.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I don t think you ever left the Appalachian mountains….
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
For those who counter with mention of Baltimore, etc., use blindfold darts to drive Google for more fair and reliable comparisons.
Consider, for instance, that the “S” countries of eastern Europe (Slovakia, Serbia, Slovenia) are surprisingly new-built and looking like they are on an strong, upward trajectory. Even compared to their neighbors, many of which look well on the mend from state-owned-central-planning-land.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
When you invest in products/financial instruments from a country like Russia, you shouldn’t expect stability.
Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Meanwhile the USD hits highs not seen in years. I guess someone wants dollars!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
The world is certain our nuclear arsenal works properly. It’s good to be the king.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
IN YOUR DELUDED MIND ANYWAY…..
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Calm down, kookyboy. You’ll give yourself an asthma attack.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Because the FED is raising interest rates. Nothing more.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
106 caps it, so let it be written so let it be said, TNX has about peaked also….they front ran the rate increase, oil will be pushed to 80-5, commodities are going to get hit hard here before next fed meeting to make it look like rates are working, the second leg up will then come…..expect a doozy
AWC
AWC
4 years ago
Derivatives, debt, liabilities out the wazoo,,,there will always be liquidity, what with MMT, and the coming CBDC. It’s just it’s purchasing power than will be questionable.
That said,,,,
Monetary Engineering is here to stay, dovetailed with Social Engineering. Those closest to the source of money creation will prosper, those farther down the food chain will suffer.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago

And what about Derivative Market Defaults?

The global stock market is valued at just under $100 Trillion.
The global bond market is bigger at over $100 Trillion.
But the global derivative market dwarfs both the global stock and bond markets by over ten-fold.
The derivative market is “estimated” at over $1.2 Quadrillion.
Remember, a quadrillion to a trillion is like a billion to a million, it’s a 1000X.
It’s the very structure of the derivative markets, which is leverage upon leverage.
How many of these contracts are the basis for derivatives?
Potential problems anyone?
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
It’s gonna blow up no matter what. Might as well get something out of it.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
4 years ago
Mish. sorry for this dumb ? but is there a way to print the comment section?
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Ctrl+P works pretty well for me.
If could attach, I would give you a pdf of the current section.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
i tried that but that just prints the 3 page article. thank you though. will keep trying
JJ Johnson
JJ Johnson
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
You could cut & paste into word or wordpad or whatever you use
Democritus
Democritus
4 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
If nothing else works: windows search box; “Snipping Tool”; make snip of relevant stuff, print that.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

“Russia is in imminent danger of default after the United States cut off the country’s ability to pay its debt using frozen dollars sitting in American banks.”

Before you said that money was stolen and now you say it is merely frozen. Which is it?

“Q: Who is Russia defaulting on?

A: Primarily European companies but US companies as well.”
Yes, when you make stupid investing decisions you can lose your money. Nothing scandalous about that.

“Essentially, the US is forcing Russia to not pay its bills which means Russia keeps its Euro and dollar reserves.”

True. By forcing technical default it allows the creation of financial liens on Russian property outside of Russia like ships, real estate and basically anything. This makes it very dangerous from a legal point of view to contract with any Russian company.

“From a practical standpoint, the US should want Russia to diminish its reserves as quickly as possibly.

Instead, US policy will force Russia to keep its reserve”

It forces them to not be able to use the reserves they already have. I thought that you are against sanctions so what do you propose we do to diminish Russia’s reserves of hard currency? Perhaps you think that we should just do business as usual? If you think so then just say it.

‘Assuming Russia defaults, the US will have forced that outcome. How can this possibly be legal?”

It is legal if it is done in a legal manner.

“And if it’s not legal, a court of law should rule the US will have to foot the bill for any damages it caused Russia.”

This is the weirdest I read. Don’t you think Russia should pay for the damage they are doing to Ukraine??

“Many people will like the result, assuming the US is not held liable. But we are supposed to be a nation of laws.”

This is the second weirdest thing I read. We are a nation of law and are using the legal system to punish Russia to keep them from taking over Ukraine and somehow you want us to pay Russia, a nation whose respect for law is inexistent reparations??
By looking at a few trees intensely I think you are not seeing the forest.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
– Yes, when you make stupid investing decisions you can lose your money. Nothing scandalous about that.
Except this is not an investing decision. What the US did is flat out theft. The US is not at war with Russia so why are they holding the reserves? It’s because they don’t like Russia actions obviously. But confiscation is still theft in the same way if borrowed my neighbors car and didn’t return it because I didn’t like how he slapped his wife.
– By forcing technical default it allows the creation of financial
liens on Russian property outside of Russia like ships, real estate and
basically anything. This makes it very dangerous from a legal point of
view to contract with any Russian company.
How exactly does it do this? Private citizens are not on the hook for corporations here in the USA (nor in Russia for that matter) nor are they on the hook for government debt. That’s why companies incorporate to separate the owners/stockholders from the company itself. So if Russia or a Russian company defaults, Russian citizens aren’t on the hook for the debt. Again, it’s flat out theft (confiscation) of private individuals property based on citizenship. The *only* reason this is being done is in the hopes they will pressure Putin in some manner, not because it satisfies any debt. The rule of law here is VERY clear on this and if it ever went to court it would all be returned in a heartbeat to the rightful owners.
– This is the weirdest I read. Don’t you think Russia should pay for the damage they are doing to Ukraine??
That’s a separate issue. Mish never said Russia shouldn’t pay for damages. But in the same manner, should not the USA pay Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria for damages? The amount we caused in 20 years would be trillions and trillions of dollars, more than we could hope to pay.
The truth is that winners don’t pay. They never have. Only losers have paid and even that stopped after WWI when it clearly lead to WWII. I don’t believe any country will ever pay reparations again.
– We are a nation of law and are
using the legal system to punish Russia to keep them from taking over
Ukraine and somehow you want us to pay Russia, a nation whose respect
for law is inexistent reparations??
Please cite the law under which we are legally able to seize another countries assets or foreign nationals assets. We are not at war with Russia so I’m curious to which law(s) you are referring to.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
We are at war with Russia. Just can’t say it out loud because of the nukes.
Those anti tank weapons are gifts from the American heartland.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
only Biden, his crooked scum in admin positions and hunter are at war…..I look forward to these traitors hanging
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
What Russia is doing is downright theft plus death, destruction and repression. Why would they expect to be treated like it is a non-event?
“But confiscation is still theft in the same way if borrowed my neighbors car and didn’t return it because I didn’t like how he slapped his wife.”
If you think this can be compared to a man slapping his wife then you and I are on completely different planets. I see it as an invasion as we saw in WW II with all its horrors and you say it is as important as a man who slapped his wife. This is a major war that will affect millions and determine if Europe will remain free or be subject to a loathsome regime and people.
Today the European Parliament voted an immediate and full embargo on all of Russia’s oil and gas. It passed with 513 yes votes to 22 votes and has widespread support from all major parties. They know what is at stake and they know what they are fighting for. Apparently you cannot, will not see what the EU parliamentary members see or perhaps are in favor of what Russia is doing.
“Please cite the law under which we are legally able to seize another countries assets or foreign nationals assets. We are not at war with Russia so I’m curious to which law(s) you are referring to.”
Apparently you don’t know that in international law you don’t have to be at war to establish a lien on the asset of a country who has defaulted on your bond. Ships for instance are often impounded because their company did not pay their debts. Ask your lawyer for the exact law. I am not a lawyer but I have lots of experience with making sure the assets I dealt with were free of liens.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
– I see it as an invasion as we saw in WW II with all its horrors and you say it is as important as a man who slapped his wife.
If this is true, are you (I know you live in France as an American) lobbying France to go to war? If Putin is really H*itler and this is WWII, then all of Europe should mobilize immediately and march to the defense of Ukraine while telling Putin he has 48 hrs to leave. France and Britain have plenty of Nukes to use if he doesn’t leave and things turn nasty. Better Strontium and Cesium Sandwiches for dinner for the next few generations than Borsch.
On the other hand if this is indeed similar to a domestic dispute (after all Ukraine and Russia were Wed together as little as 30 years ago), why is the West getting involved? As for Russia conquering Europe, it might have been a reasonable fear when war broke out. But a month in and it’s very clear that it’s going to take a long time to subdue Ukraine and that maybe in 20 or so years at the pace the Russians are making they might reach the borders of France. See the thing is that Russia doesn’t have the man power any more to occupy Europe because it’s population is too small relative to that of Europe.
– Apparently you don’t know that in international law you don’t have to be
at war to establish a lien on the asset of a country who has defaulted
on your bond.
I’m aware of how liens work on sovereign bonds. Of course those who default normally can’t pay rather than having their assets seized BEFORE they default and then being told their payment is refused when they scrounge up the money somehow. It’s as if my bank seized my bank account and then told me my mortgage is in default and they are foreclosing because I didn’t pay. The law that’s being broken is the illegal seizure of Russian money (if the US was at war things would be different but they aren’t) and assets in order to force a default.
Even when assets are seized for sovereign default , it’s never civilian assets that are seized. Of course I already know how this is going to play out and I assume you do too. All these properties and yachts will be sold in no-bid auctions to friends of Biden’s for pennies on the dollar with the claim that no one bid. It’s going to be a giant shake down similar to how the mob operates/operated.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Many people will like the result, assuming the US is not held liable. But we are supposed to be a nation of laws.”
Congress is exempt from insider trading laws.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The wealthy are exempt from all laws, unless they irk someone wealthier, like Epstein did.
Congress is wealthy.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
+1
No good nor service, anywhere nor anytime, are exempt from the laws of economics: The more you can pay, the more of a good you can buy.
Only limit-case indoctrinated, rank illiterates can be successfully duped into believing some “magical” goods are somehow special snowflakes, for which gravity and other universal laws arbitrarily don’t apply.
Exemption from laws, is very much a good.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“The Biden administration is hell bent on making Russia default on its US
dollar debt payments that are coming due. This is not a good idea.”
It was not a good idea to overthrow Yanukovich, which has lead to where we are now.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The Covid lockdowns were not a good idea, either. Double whammy.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Hello?
Sure they said you could make deposits.
Very vague promises about withdrawals.
You can hold some of your wealth in our gold coins.
Sorry, turn in your gold coins at our price or be prosecuted.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Frankly, is anyone surprised by what this administration does? Biden will go down in history as incompetent, corrupt, and irresponsible; with the worst yet to come. Without a doubt, the worst US president in history makes Trump look good.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
He’s going to be out soon. I don’t think he makes any decisions. He just reads from a teleprompter and it seems he struggles a lot to do that. We’ll soon have president Harris.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Harris is no better, and may actually be worse. The ONLY solution is for the Republicans to sweep the House and Senate, tie the administration in knots, and waste two years.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I don’t like Harris either, but if Biden is out, Harris is in. Unless she resigns. I don’t think Harris wants to be president. I don’t think she wants to be VP either. I think she likes being a guest on daytime talk shows and such, but doesn’t like the duties of the job.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You nailed it! She would be a perfect left wing Nancy grace.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
She’s what Sarah Palin would have been had McCain won in 08.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Her real strength is under-the-table negotiations, or below the belt, as they say
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I would expect a coup at that point, no one wants that brain dead willie brown johnson rider in there…..she is dope sheep
hmk
hmk
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I would say he is in a dead heat for worst with Bush 43. WMD lies,deliberately letting Bin Laden escape the clutches of the special forces in order to justify nation building. Having 10s’ of thousands christian iraquis slaughterd at the hands of islamic extremists after he deposed
Saddam. Making Colin Powell lie about WMD’s, The list goes on. The best thing I can say about Bush jr. is that he converted me from a sheep trusting the goverment into the realization that they are corrupt, incompetent and malevolent.
hhabana
hhabana
4 years ago
Reply to  hmk
You’re not alone feeling like a sheep. A lot of us were angry after 9/11 and the Government/Media complex working in high gear.
Bush Jr. should be tried for war crimes.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  hmk
I thought Carter was universally recognized as the worst president until Trump. Now we may end up with 1 term presidents forever. Why ? Because the system is so unstable that things can only get worse in 4 years. My forecast for the rest of this decade keeps getting worse and it’s only 2022. We have entered a war against a person and are losing big time but don’t even realize it. The talk of Ukraine winning is sad. Looking at pictures of Ukraine, nothing resembling victory. If this goes on past April it will go on for years and there is no turning back.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  hmk
How old were you on 9-11? The attack on the USA killed as many people as Pearl Harbor. People were scared more attacks were coming. Recession loomed large. The Bush Administration needed to send a message–not to Bin Laden, to the Saudis who enabled it to happen.
Now, you need to know, you do not bomb your only other ally in the Middle East. Also, you cannot win in Afghanistan (as time has proven). Hence, Iraq was chosen as low-hanging fruit–an easy win, a prior history of using chemical weapons on 2 million Iraqis, etc. The attack was overwhelming, and the message was sent, loud and clear. Even Muammar Gaddafi (Qaddafi) backed down.
The unspoken hope in Iraq was instigating cultural change by liberating Iraqi women. Yes, it was screwed up–however, extremists loathe the US in ways you cannot imagine. It would’ve been far better and cheaper to turn sand to glass.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You need a red pill
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Actually, I know history, which you may not. What exactly, do you take offense to?
hmk
hmk
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It was never even postulated that Iraq had any connection to 911. Many Iraq’s felt safer with Sadam than whatever f’ed up corrupt government that replaced it. As far as Afghanistan, we could have killed bin Laden with the first six months but Bush deliberatly let him go. A special forces soldier wrote a book on the subject recently, but I remember the incident when it happedned. You post makes no sense.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You keep saying that, and it keeps not happening. Do you mean 2025?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
When you say Russia is defaulting, what in particular is defaulting? is it the Russian government, Russian businesses, or individual Russians? or a combination?
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
There’s one more message: don’ t destroy cities and murder thousands.
There’s more at stake here than money.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
All of these pundits have great distain for sanctions. They scream, “They don’t work!”. Okay, so what other alternatives are there? You either go after Russia financially or militarily, with the later certainly being more of a last resort.
For example, had Trump placed a 10% tariff on everything imported from China with a 1% escalation per month up to 25%, that would have certainly got their attention.
And during that time, he could have worked with Congress to force pharmaceuticals to either onshore their products or move them to friendly countries like India, Ireland, etc.
It’s easy to sit there and scream sanctions don’t work. Mish, feel free to reply with a list of at least 5 alternatives for the US to pursue when dealing with Russian, China, and Iran.
Wake up America and start divesting from China and Russia.
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
The best option is to do nothing. Its a dispute on the other side of the globe.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
So was Poland in 39
Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
America did nothing. America only began arming Britain in 1940. And only entered the European war when Japan attacked.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
And what qualifies this time as a “do nothing” is the best option proposition? To be clear, I’m not calling for direct US military intervention, but you’re really dodging my question: China & Iran. What should the US do to push back against China and Iran?
What bonafide, guranteed to work options should Trump have employed? Lord knows, Biden is beholden to China, so there’s nothing he’s going to do. Moreover, how can anyone say for sure that the sanctions Trump placed on Iran weren’t working about as well as they could have.
Personally, I’m of the opinion that Iran already has nuclear bombs, since they’re following designs supplied to them by NK, meaning no need to test. They’ve outsourced that to NK, and for as long as they can, they’ll maintain a plausible deniability. You’d have to be CRAZY to think Iran hasn’t maintained a covert program to develop plutonium & the bomb over the years.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Sometimes it’s the worst thing to do.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
When did the US unilaterally decide it’s wrong to destroy cities and murder thousands?
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Is it wrong or not?
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Wrong, yes, but the US has absolutely no moral authority considering the last 20 yrs of foreign intervention.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
Your ‘moral authority’ is founded in Judaeo-Christianity and Eternal Sin–two thousand years of brainwashing. There are other ways of thinking.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
What’s morale authority got to do with anything, if you’re against a particular wrong what’s the problem. Some might say it’s hypocritical but it’s better that supporting a particular wrong.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
Therefore the US should do nothing, as penance for their prior crimes?
Poor us, now We won’t be called on to make any sacrifice! What a terrible punishment!
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
I’m against all wars, but if you think for one minute the US gives a crap about people or buildings in far away lands, you’re very naive.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It doesn’t matter whether they give a crap about it or not, they’re supporting those that do. Or trying to.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Dresden? Hiroshima? Aleppo? Mosul? Baghdad? Sirte?
The US count of fire-bombed cities (yes, special munitions thrown so that the fire from the one reaches the next, creating an oxygen starved incendiary zone for square miles to consume any humans or animals) is far greater than 100.
In N Korea, 1/3 of the population perished and there was so little still standing that the air forces ran out of bombing targets.
It’s too bad Americans only know about the cherry tree, but hardly anything else that they have actually brought about, including breaking almost any agreement they have ever signed.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Do you have evidence?
Whose shells?
Was the Ukrainian army using the kindergartens & hospitals as barracks … I have seen lots of videos of them inside such premises?
Who are the bodies? When killed? By whom? etc etc
I’m thinking of the white helmets NGO, assisting in the killing of “wrong”civilians, purveyors of staged films, etc
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
You have evidence to back up your kookery? No, you don’t. You’re just asking stupid questions you can’t answer.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
that’s on Obama and this admin….they threw the coup and minutemen missles into the game
Eighthman
Eighthman
4 years ago
China is afraid of this. 13.8% of their reserves are rubles ( reported). If they invade Taiwan, I think they must demand payment in yuan from the US. This will be very painful and costly, given that that yuan will harden. However, I have no doubt that Republicans are fully delusional enough to trigger a war with China after they sweep the elections. The recent vote on supporting NATO shows they have little enthusiasm for the EU and think China is the real problem.
China will pay a heavy price for regaining Taiwan but that’s how it goes with nationalism.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
Is there a serious study that would show the consequences in western countries of a complete and immediate interruption of trade with China ?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
“China will pay a heavy price for regaining Taiwan but that’s how it goes with nationalism.”
I’m in the minority that thinks > 50% China makes a move on Taiwan. A heavy price, yes, but China will hold a few aces Russia doesn’t have 1) Western multinationals (still) own a lot of factories in China … and at risk to be nationalized and 2) if they take TSMC intact, US at its mercy.
Of course, if WW3 ensues … never mind.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I don’t think TSMC is a big deal. They have foundries in the US and they’re maybe 6 months ahead of other chip makers in terms of technology. Other companies could fill the void pretty fast.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“Today we barely produce 10 percent of the computer chips, despite being the leader in chip design and research,” Mr. Biden said. “And we don’t have the ability to make the most advanced chips now — right now. But today, 75 percent of production takes place in East Asia. Ninety percent of the most advanced chips are made in Taiwan. China is doing everything it can to take over the global market so they can try to outcompete the rest of us and have a lot of applications — including military applications.”
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I’m aware of this. Korea makes a lot of those chips. Much of TSMC production takes place in China and China has hired many of their engineers, so I think the Chinese already know how they make chips. Given time, there’s nothing done there that can’t be done here.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
No doubt. But if China makes a move I think sooner rather than later. A chip plant is a several $billion investment. The process of identifying location (an area with skilled workers) —> planning plant —> getting contractor bids —> zoning / red tape —-> construction … YEARS.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Chips and materials are not produced A-Z in a single plant.
There are a lot of stages in the planning & production process.
The most important ingredient is cooperation: Chip production is the height of large-scale international cooperation.
TSMC is a node in that cooperation, and a unique one at that.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It’s no secret that Apple chipmaker TSMC is years ahead of Intel, so it’s almost touching when Intel proudly announces that it expects to switch to TSMC’s 2019 chipmaking tech by 2025.
Intel rested on its laurels too long. They are Six years behind. Stock buybacks puts money in the C level paychecks, R&D does not.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
China is the real problem. If you knew how much China loathes the USA, you would realize this ends only when China is victorious. Call it payback for the Opium Wars.
hhabana
hhabana
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
China is not the problem. Our government is the problem. If it’s in the national interest to make chips in America then instead of spending billions on MIC and around the world then maybe we should spend that money at home.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
What is in the national interest is to end the Russia-is-bad narrative. It is past due, and it impedes critical thinking, so no real solution is possible. That said, only idiots allow strategic assets to be taken over.
BTW, that ‘military-industrial complex’ was first used by Eisenhower in 1961 in his Farewell Address to the Nation. The original draft of the speech supposedly had ‘military-industrial-political complex’ or ‘military–industrial–congressional complex’. You wonder why it was taken out?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Russia IS bad! If their current invasion of an independent governed country doesn’t illustrate that for you, then you are dumber than I thought.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
So you want the government to restrict corporate freedom?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I believe that the Chinese loath everyone who is NOT Chinese.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
I don’t think 13.8% of their reserves are rubles. Probably closer to 1.38%. And their US held bonds will never pay in Yuan. They’re USD denominated.
And Republicans are no longer the war party. Democrats are. That’s why Northern Virginia has shifted from a red stronghold to blue.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
China wants Taiwan to control the supply of semiconductors to 70% of the market. Folks missed the announcement yesterday that chip shortages are going to worsen. You are right about nationalism but China wants Taiwan for chip capacity.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
serious, no republican has expressed this view…..its biden who is beholden to China via his corrupt scum of business dealings sons
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago

Q: Who is Russia defaulting on?

A: Primarily European companies but US companies as well.

Multi nationals have very deep pockets … and can afford the best of the best of attorneys. Sue Uncle Sam for damages … which will be staggering?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Yes but those companies are owned by me and you via pension funds. It’s just another kick in the nuts to Jox-Sixpack in Europe and the USA.
Personally I’d prefer not to have my 401K take it on the chin for Ukraine which I don’t really care about.
Unless of course the USA is going to make good on those payments (which it could do via the seized money which would in effect just be Russia paying it’s bills anyway).
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Pension? Not many need to worry about that.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“Team Biden continues its unmistakable message to China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, well actually everyone”
Exactly who is on Team Biden … and calling the shots? Anyone else notice Secretary of Treasury Yellen has been relatively quiet since invasion?
Yellen yesterday before Congress:

Yellen was pressed multiple times by lawmakers Wednesday about whether the United States should go further in its actions against Russia. She warned the U.S. needs to be careful not to take a unilateral approach to the country as allies have been critical in the success of actions taken against the country thus far.

Yellen said she believes sanctions as well as export restrictions have deprived Russia of the “war chest” they were counting on.

“I do believe the sanctions are having a devastating effect on Russia,” Yellen said. “Russia has become almost completely isolated from the international financial system.”

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Russia has become almost completely isolated from the AMERICAN financial system.
There, fixed it.
Fish1
Fish1
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
So Yellen is is talking out of both sides of her mouth? Ready now for a shot at the Senate.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
yellen is a pos who should be hanging with the rest of these Island of Dr Moreau pigmen
Cocoa
Cocoa
4 years ago
Making a country default is very deflationary…vaporizing debt payments.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  Cocoa
Yes.
A company holds Russian debt as an asset on its balance sheet. Writing it off will take a chunk of its capital … forcing banks to tighten credit to them. Vicious cycle ensues.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Cocoa
There’s an argument to be made that deflation is a good thing.
davidyjack
davidyjack
4 years ago
Mish: Please tell us what response the EU should take to a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Please tell us what response the USA should take to a Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
The same response to the US invasion of Irak
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
same way the US supports a number of states involved in proxy wars – provide training and lots and lots of weapons.
You fight wars with war stuff not by screwing up your own economy
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Who ever runs out of war stuff first loses. Makes sense to go after the money that purchases it.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Who are the Russians buying arms from?
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Are you implying nobody gets paid to make Russian weapons? Do they grow in trees, or are they produced by slave labor? Do those slaves toil without food and shelter? Maybe some of the food grows on trees, but it ain’t free, nor is the shelter.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
They’re paid in rubles, which Russia has an unlimited supply of.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Thank you! At least someone has a brain.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

Rubles that used to by food and imported goods, but barely cover food now.

Art you always harping about the perils of monetization?
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Russia exports food, and is the closest to 100% self-sufficient that any country is.
They have worked on it, strategically, helped along by previous rounds of sanctions which engendered all kinds of local production and facilities.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Russia is a big exporter of military gear.
They make it themselves, and are far less dependent on inputs from outside Russia than is any other arms producer.
And this is no coincidence, they have been gearing up for such contingencies for 15 years.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
When you run out of conventional war stuff you move right on to non-conventional (bio, chemical, nukes). Don’t ever imagine it won’t come to that given that for Putin this is essentially victory or death (someone will replace him in defeat and he won’t live out a life like Napoleon exiled on some island, he will be assassinated).
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Last Russian chemical weapons were destroyed by OPCW in 2017.
Bio/chemical weapons would have little military utility.
They are strictly for PR purposes…
On the other hand, if NATO gets involved, the chances they will have to fall back on tactical nukes i well nigh 100%, and their nuclear doctrine is much more nuclear positive.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
So… we keep them in conventional weapons to invade Europe with, or they’ll nuke us?
Bombillo
Bombillo
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
I think the US should invade Canada by force of arms and annex the place. Lots of useful resources there. As a further measure, we could purposely murder innocent civilians along the way. No one would stop us because it might cause discomfort in the financial markets. The new morality. Mish, please show some solidarity for a country that was inexcusably attacked.
grazzt
grazzt
4 years ago
Reply to  Bombillo
I think the US should invade Iraq, murder over 1 million citizens, set up a torture program and ensure its resources are available to Western corporations. After that, the US and NATO could bomb Libya and set up a permanent civil war ripe for purchases of US weaponry. Open slave market would ensue while mass migrations to Europe would provide cheap labor. Then we can move to Syria, militarily back terrorists we fought in Iraq, to overthrow their government. If that bogs down, we can occupy 1/3 of their country while stealing their oil resources. I also think the US should set up a drone program to kill anyone we see fit across the globe, including US citizens, without a trial; which also kills innocent bystanders 90% of the time. Anyone who reports on these US ‘so-called’ crimes will be subject to incarceration. Countries that object to US policy can simply cease to use the global financial system, which is also controlled by us.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  grazzt
We did all that. Now we need something new to do.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Bombillo
Mexico also. Let’s make all of North America part of the United States of America!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
Nothing! Every time the US has been involved in other people’s wars, it ends up making a bigger mess.
hhabana
hhabana
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
You don’t need Mish to tell you this. Use your brain. How about honoring the Minsk 2 agreement made between Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany. Then, tell the Russians no more NATO on their borders.
Simple, huh?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
Not going to happen. Poland and other Baltic states want more American troops in their countries. And Poland is open to considering allowing nuke s to be stored on their territory. NOT what Putin wants!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
Finland does not agree.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
“Please tell us what response the USA should take to a Russian invasion of Ukraine?”
The exact same response which the US; back when The Founders, who wrote the Constitution, hence obviously had some idea wrt how it should be properly interpreted, ruled; took to some country A invading some country B halfway around the world: Trade freely with all, entangling alliances with none.
As for the EU: People there who are afraid of being invaded and subdued by large standing armies from the outside, should ensure they have so much kit; behind every blade of grass, in every trunk, in every garage, every barn and every locker; that not even the most suicidal of wannabe conquering maniacs, would dare to even raise his voice near any of them.
threeblindmice
threeblindmice
4 years ago
Exactly right. We are a nation of laws. We simply cannot wake up in the morning, force a country to default and seize yachts of Russian citizens “just ’cause”. We cannot defeat authoritarians by emulating them.
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
Or alternatively, Russia is currently breaking international law through mass destruction and killing. The US is preventing access to a system. Russia could convert their precious rubles to gold, and then send it to the border, trust me they could and the creditors would accept it. Instead they will default and make more war. . .like they have historically.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
Which international law are they breaking?
Remember, Putin is a lawyer and justified the action with an extensive appeal to §51 of the UN Charter.
On Feb 23 Russia sent peace-keepers to the LDNR. It offered to sit down to discuss the borders of the LDNR.
Ukraine answered with accelerated shelling instead of accepting a cease-fire.
From the Russian point of view, they were answering Ukrainian aggression against LDNR & Russian peace-keepers.
Putin has mentioned 3 other pre-emptive reasons:
1. Ukraine threatened to go nuclear on 19 Feb (Zelenskiy Munich)
2. Ukraine has WMD (biological labs with pathogens)
3. Ukraine was preparing an artillery blitzkrieg on Donetsk (100K troops built upon the Line of Contact)
All three reasons are documented.
Putin mentioned another reason: Police action for denazification.
Putin is a lawyer. This means they have extensive dossier forming to start a War Crimes Tribunal for actions predating the police action.
The action so far has been kid gloves. Compare to US actions in Baghdad, Mosul, Aleppo, or Dresden and scores of others.
In Kiev there is still water, gas, electricity and transit. Americans started by taking out the electricity with special munitions, which in the case of Aleppo & Baghdad meant no clean water, sewage, or any services in cities with >4M population. Civilian objects struck in Ukr so far were being used for barracks or fire.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Putin is not a lawyer. He is KGB.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
Correct. That is the job of Congress. And first they have to pass a formal declaration of war. Whoever is handling “Joe Biden” isn’t thinking this through.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
Yet trump has never spent a day in jail, while he chucks his supporters under that bus. Maybe we were once a nation of laws, but we aren’t now. We are a nation of “I don’t know, so I’m going to believe what makes me feel special.”
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Why should Trump spend any time in jail? For investigating the corrupt Bidens in Ukraine–for which the Democraps sought his impeachment? Here’s my advice before you make a fool of yourself. FIND OUT WHAT IS ON HUNTER’S LAPTOP. The worst is yet to come, and when it does, the Biden family will be finished.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

Another kooky cultist making up kooky konspiracies so they don’t have to reconcile their mancrush on the guy that swindles them.

Battered wife syndrome on a national level…
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
Get with it!
As soon as everyone becomes criminal everyone can do whatever they want.
Perhaps anarchy will work better than democracy.
But America should be less hypocritical about ever-changing policies.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

Major breakthrough! Criminality is Freedom! How could I be so oblivious to the teachings of Obese Orange?

This. Changes. Everything.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
THIS!! So there is no due process? The US “worked in conjunction” with a foreign country (Spain) to steal (seize) yachts from citizens of another 3rd country without trial? Without evidence? Without jurisdiction? Without a Declaration of War? Guilty by association without trial? We now have a bill in Congress to employ pirates now too?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
Of course we can! Were you AWOL during Covid?
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
We are a nation of laws. We simply cannot wake up in the morning, force a country to default and seize yachts of Russian citizens “just ’cause”.
Is there some intended sarcasm there that I am too dense to catch???

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