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New Census Data Shows Population Increased at Lowest Rate in US History

How Does Your State Compare?

That’s the lead question on the latest Census Bureau Demographic Survey

Key Points

  • The population of the United States grew in the past year by 392,665, or 0.1%, the lowest rate since the nation’s founding. 
  • The slow rate of growth can be attributed to decreased net international migration, decreased fertility, and increased mortality due in part to the COVID-19 pandemic.
  • Between July 1, 2020, and July 1, 2021, the nation’s growth was due to natural increase (148,043), which is the number of excess births over deaths, and net international migration (244,622). 
  • This is the first time that net international migration (the difference between the number of people moving into the country and out of the country) has exceeded natural increase for a given year.
  • The voting-age resident population, adults age 18 and over, grew to 258.3 million, comprising 77.8% of the population in 2021.

State Highlights

  • With a population of 29,527,941 in 2021, Texas had the largest annual and cumulative numeric gain, increasing by 310,288 (1.1%) and 382,436 (1.3%), respectively.
    • While gaining population through net international migration (27,185), the growth in Texas in the last year was primarily due to gains from net domestic migration (170,307) and natural increase (113,845).
  • Idaho had the fastest annual and cumulative population increase, growing by 2.9% (53,151) in the last year, and by 3.4% (61,817) since April 1, 2020.
    • Idaho made modest gains from natural increase (4,398) and net international migration (413); however, the main driver of its fast increase was net domestic migration (48,876).
  • New York had the largest annual and cumulative numeric population decline, decreasing by 319,020 (1.6%) and 365,336 (1.8%), respectively.
    • New York’s declining population in the last year was attributed to negative domestic migration (-352,185).
  • Over the past year, the District of Columbia’s population declined by 2.9%, or 20,043 residents, to a population of 670,050 in 2021. This was the largest annual percent decrease in the nation.
    • The decline in the District of Columbia’s population can be attributed to negative net domestic migration (-23,030), which was large enough to offset gains from natural increase (2,171) and net international migration (1,128).
  • Three states had populations above 20 million in 2021: California (39,237,836), Texas (29,527,941) and Florida (21,781,128). New York dropped below 20 million people in the last year, decreasing from 20,154,933 to 19,835,913.

Components of Change Highlights

  • The largest net domestic migration gains were in Florida (220,890), Texas (170,307) and Arizona (93,026).
  • All 50 states and the District of Columbia saw positive net international migration. Florida (38,590), Texas (27,185) and New York (18,307) had the largest population gains from net international migration.
  • Twenty-five states experienced natural decrease in 2021, where there were more deaths than births. This was attributed to further decreases in fertility combined with increased mortality. Florida had the highest natural decrease at 45,248, followed by Pennsylvania (30,878) and Ohio (-15,811).
  • In 2021, 20 states and the District of Columbia lost residents via net domestic migration. Largest domestic migration losses were in California (-367,299), New York (-352,185) and Illinois (-122,460).

Top 10 Most populous States 2021

Top 10 States in Numeric Growth 2021

Top 10 States in Percent Growth 2021

Top 10 States in Numeric Decline

Top 10 States in Percent Decline

Westward Ho!

The Center of Population keeps shifting westward and in a generally Southern direction as well. It’s been in Missouri for 4 decades but that won’t last much longer.

Components of Population Change 

That is the key chart. Deaths are on the verge of overtaking births. And net immigration is barely above zero.

Reflections on Demographic Data 

I am pleased to be an escapee of Illinois number 3 in terms of numeric and percentage decline.

We moved to Utah, number 2 in percentage growth and number 7 in numeric growth.

Illinois is rated the worst state overall from a business and tax standpoint. 

Texas, Florida, and Arizona have far better business climates and the the numbers show just that. 

Deflationary Trends

Personal anecdotes aside, the most import important point is that deaths are on the verge of overtaking births.

This is hugely deflationary.

Some suggest immigration is the answer.

However, an immigration free-for-all with low-skilled immigrants, increasing minimum wages, and free or mandated benefits don’t mix well at all. 

That’s a recipe for stagflation.

Pension System Disaster

Meanwhile, the public pension plans are already a disaster. 

By 2030 every baby boomer will be 65 or older. They will be retired with fewer people contributing less and less. 

Illinois Taxpayers On the Hook for $530 Billion in Unfunded Pension Obligations

On November 22, I noted Illinois Taxpayers On the Hook for $530 Billion in Unfunded Pension Obligations

Moody’s estimate of Illinois’ retirement debts, made up of pension and retiree health shortfalls at the state and local level, hits $530 billion in 2020.

This is despite a massive multi-year stock market rally and huge tax hikes that went to pension funds and little else.

Illinois just reached an alarming milestone: each Illinois household is now on the hook for, on average, $110,000 in government-worker retirement debts. That figure is the result of dividing Illinois’ $530 billion in state and local retirement shortfalls among the state’s 4.9 million households. In 2019, the burden was $90,000 per household.  

Not Just Illinois 

Illinois is the worst state but nearly every state has hugely underfunded plans. 

Wisconsin is different because under its system, if the plan fails the workers cover shortfalls, not the taxpayer.

Except for Wisconsin, the entire system is insolvent and will blow up as soon as withdrawals reach a certain point, even though it is very difficult to predict that precise point. 

Demographics coupled with panic at some point will bring this issue to a crisis stage. And you can see for yourself what the demographics say.

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Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
“Except for Wisconsin, the entire system is insolvent and will blow up as soon as withdrawals reach a certain point, even though it is very difficult to predict that precise point.”
Agreed, its not a question of if but when it blows up. You also have to add Social Security to the equation. Whos first to blow up and then we can expect a cascade of pension crisis to follow the first blow up.
blacklisted
blacklisted
4 years ago
Population is cyclical just like everything else. Those like Gates, who believe in eugenics and population control, are exacerbating the normal cyclical decline that ALWAYS coincides with cooling cycles, which will last another 20 years minimum, as crop failures produce malnutrition and plagues.  The nut jobs selling global warming are going to kill way more people than the normal cycle, due to unaffordable high energy prices.
Gates’ linear thinking is the same problem that plagues the CB’s, which believe they can control/manage the economy with interest rate policy, when the govt’s are the biggest borrower. Decades ago, Paul Volcker admitted in his memoirs that the business cycle (Invisible Hand) still lives, but when one believes they are God, the laws of the universe do not apply. Since govt NEVER admits their mistakes, I don’t expect anyone to admit they were wrong about gloBull warming or the population bomb.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
So, easy fix.
6 million immigrants a year.
Young immigrants with young children.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
“data is awful”
No. Are awful.
Cocoa
Cocoa
4 years ago
The trends are:
-World is lousy
-World is dominated by the worst examples of humans 
-no support structure for kids in US. 
-No prospects, no future for United States
-People are too addicted to their phones and media to bother having sex(See Japan)
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Excellent. Less people means more freedom.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
so the only option is breeding the planet further into destruction for the sake of pensions ??   Personally I am one of the few oddities in the ‘developed’ world that won t get a pension, don t need it, I built my own egg nest !   
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Good on you, Brussels. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Most in US use 401Ks. It’s their money. Pensions are a vestige of when unions were far more common.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Hard to believe, the established economic way forward is predicated on continuous, endless population increase in number and consumption. There is no alternative model.
One would think, someone noticed that years ago, but negative. Those whose brain activity was barely ticking edged out those with brains.
Now they noticed, the climate is pi$$ing on the party, but still haven’t made the connection.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Shockingly people are moving from liberal utopias to despotic conservative states. They must not watch CNN.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
In 2020 life expectancy decreased in 31 out of 37 developed countries. The only country that was worse than the US in 2020 was Russia. In an unusual change of pattern, this time women came out better than men.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

Covid made
it hard for people to project the future since it was a state of affairs we haven’t
been in before in living memory so people took a wait and see approach which
was the logical thing to do. The cost of raising children has become very high
but that probably isn’t the principle cause of denatality. It’s probably due to
women now being able to hold the same jobs as men which is a good thing. The
downside is that women who have children plus an outside job end up working
more than men. In the outside job they have to compete with men and that takes
a lot of time and energy and is especially important during the early years
where the choice between having children directly conflicts with starting a
career. Men are not in the same situation. Unfortunately I don’t have the
solution.

In the end
those who want the most to become a parent are those who become a parent and it
has always been that way. Those who decide not to sacrifice their time and
money do not and their line ends with them. The fertile take over the Earth and
that is true whether it be bacteria and fungi or a highly intelligent species
of primate.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“In the end those who want the most to become a parent are those who become a parent and it has always been that way.
I’d say that’s a generational view, and a very middle-class one at that. For most of history, children just happened, and for a lot of people it still does. And for some others, kids are a proven financial asset that pays monthly dividends.
There still are plenty of welfare mothers. I have some in my practice in their 20’s with 6 kids. Kids used to be valuable because they could help work the farm. Now they’e valuable because you get a check and a SNAP card.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Personally I think that the drop in births comes from the drop in the population of storks in the US. 
brian henry
brian henry
4 years ago
Why bother? Biden will open the border for ten millions of South Americans to cross border, and their birth rates will double US population in 20 years!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  brian henry

And monkeys will fly out of your butt.

Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Both life expectancy and fertility rates should continue to fall (gradually) for the foreseeable future. It wont be too long before the US sees negative population growth for the first time.
numike
numike
4 years ago
“There are two kinds of forecasters: those who don’t know, and those who don’t know they don’t know”
John Kenneth Galbraith
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Personally, I don’t have a dog in this fight.  I don’t get a pension and won’t ever have one.
I hope the pensions blow up.  I feel for the new blood in the plans as they will pay the highest price and are the least to blame, but those that exploit the tax system to their benefit deserve everything coming to them.
If you are a state worker, whether a teacher, fire fighter or a police officer (even a sanitation engineer) and retire with a 100k pension, that’s completely unfair to the taxpayers.  No private equivalent job has a pension even close to approaching that level.  Making a taxpayer who gets no pension pay for a bloated pension is morally wrong.
I hope each and every one of those plans goes insolvent and the unions are forced to grapple with the same reality the rest of us have faced our entire lives.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Unless you live in Wisconsin, you definitely have a dog in the fight because as a tax payer you, me and every other non-pension person are going to make up the shortfalls.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Has there been any talk of throwing upside down pensioners to the street?  I doubt COngress would have the cojones to do that any more than they would cut off SS payments.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Replacing tax payer with property owner would be more correct IMO. Property taxes get paid whether or not you have income.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
How would that help? You’d sink the value of properties so the current owners would be huge losers. Then who’d want to voluntarily buy property only to be a tax donkey for someone who retired decades ago? So you’d get less money as property values plummeted which would be a vicious cycle since you’d need to tax more to make up for it.
meepbobeep
meepbobeep
4 years ago
I’m kinda impressed the population actually increased, considering.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
4 years ago
Reply to  meepbobeep
Since it began just less that 200 deaths are blamed on the plague  in my county of 100,000. And about 90% of the deceased had at least one preexisting condition. So in two years 20 supposedly healthy people died that might not have otherwise. 180 sick people had their deaths pulled ahead some number of months. Half of those were over 80. 
As a population reduction measure Covid is a miserable failure.  As a bioweapon it was an even bigger failure as it does not kill those the most useful in a war effort. As a socialist cost reduction measure it has been reasonably successful by removing the sicker members of the population. As a psychological warfare measure it has been highly successful.  
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
I have read some claims, that Covid was an american bioware weapon that was supposed to to kill chinese economy, leaving western economy intact (because western medical care is obviously superior). In this is true it was a failure.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Probably the other way around. I originally classified covid originating in the Chinese bat lab that was doing gain of function research on the US dime as a nut job conspiracy theory, but the mutation seems to be too big a chunk of DNA to have just happened: bat to pangolin (whatever those are) to human? Seems unlikely. Or a sloppily run lab? I’m going with door # 2. And now, omicron, another huge mutation, seems to indicate that covid is aimed right at overcoming the human immune system. Of course, no one will ever know…..
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
You can also add that as an economic weapon it was stellar. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Because we have been in a massive global recession, and stocks, housing, and employment have crashed!
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
No, because it engendered a surge in debt resulting in a surge of inflation. The disorganization it caused will take some time to be worked out. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
I’ve pondered that it may be a bio weapon against non-productive olds, but it hasn’t been too effective there either.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
4 years ago
I understand that people move south from my cold state to the warmer states.  It is your loss.  Nothing finer than a day on skies – 20 degrees on perfect snow.  But I know we are weird.  This is a country of immigrants and maybe they are the missing piece.  I love getting to know my neighbors – Irish, Polish, Italian, Jewish, Greek, Nigerian.  And a few Mexicans make their way this far north,  Very hardy souls.  Let us celebrate our diversity and welcome the newcomers. Boy do they make life interesting. I am not native American so I too- Italian, jewish and irish were of the groups definitely not welcomed in this country.
Billy
Billy
4 years ago
According to the CDC the Spanish Flu had 3 waves. The first wave started in the Spring of 1918 and killed approximately 100,000 people in the USA. The 2nd wave was much more contagious and killed about 325,000 in the USA. The 3rd wave was even more contagious ultimately infecting a 1/3 of the total population but wasn’t very deadly. Killing about 200,000. 
The 3rd wave marked the end of the Spanish Flu. If there was a 4th wave it was so mild that it didn’t create any symptoms.
In the end, the Spanish Flu took the lives of about .6% of our population.
This seems very similar to Covid 19 however if we reach a million deaths it will be .3% of our population.
Also keep in mind the U.S. Death Rate as reported by Macrotrends:
Year
Death Rate
Growth Rate
2021    
8.977          1.090%
2020    
8.880          1.120%
2019    
8.782         
1.120%
2018    
8.685         
1.220%
2017     8.580          1.240%
2016    
8.475         
1.270%
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
0.3% dead?  The horror!  
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
.3% of 300 million is a lot of rotting meat.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
The big difference is who was killed. Spanish flu primarily killed young healthy people. Older people were generally spared. Probably because they had antibodies from a previous infection decades earlier. The opposite of covid.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Why doesn’t anyone write an article on the benefits of old people dying sooner, rather than later?
For example, it frees up and moves forward inheritance money.  It frees up medical resources and hospital beds.  Traffic flows faster.
On the negative side, drug company profits take a hit because their best customers have passed on.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“The voting-age resident population, adults age 18 and over, grew to 258.3 million…”
Apparently, there is a battle going on in Michigan over removing deceased from the voter rolls. It seems some want to keep the dead, eligible to vote.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Hey!  Jesus came back…
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Let me guess. It’s the party that constantly accuses the other party of trying to keep people from voting.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“New Census Data Shows Population Increased at Lowest Rate in US History”
Well, a global pandemic is one way to lower the world population.
“The demographic data is awful.”
The current influx of millions of illegal aliens should make up the difference.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Looks like people prefer lower prices, more space and some local warming. As many of those, as they can afford. Ain’t that a surprise…
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
Prior to the GI bill only 10 percent of the population went to college.  Prior to the GI bill the rich married the beautiful, regardless of IQ.  The Law of Propinquity says you will marry someone with who you lived within 3/4 of a mile of.  After the GI bill, college campuses became a huge mating ground.  Yes, and we were warned, college grads would marry college grads, and dropouts would impregnate other dropouts.  Demographics is destiny.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
There was also an old stat that most people never moved more than 35 miles form where they were born.  Wonder how true that is today?
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Not as true as it once was. My brother is 70 miles from where he was born. I’m about 1700. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
The two of you together aren’t a valid statistical sample! [lol]  I looked it up.  18 miles is the current number.
 
The Typical American Lives Only 18 Miles From Mom
DEC. 23, 2015
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Yes, but how far away has Mom moved?
And, anyway, lots of Americans don’t have a living Mom.
Toss me another beer, would ya? 🙂
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
My thoughts also but I think that Mom’s tend not to move.  Probably because they have to do all the packing.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Perhaps a more important factor than the GI bill is women’s liberation–it enabled women to go to college and have jobs previously  reserved for their husbands.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reminds me of why monarchy’s inevitably fail. Princes would marry the best looking woman instead of the smartest, so over generations the monarchy became dumber and dumber.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Surely there are smart, pretty woman? [lol]
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
“The  Center of Population keeps shifting westward and in a generally Southern direction as well. It’s been in Missouri for 4 decades but that won’t last much longer.”
——–
This will change as global warming effects increase.  Lands in the south USA are suffering more drought, becoming hotter and are turning to desert.  The coasts will be losing land to rising sea levels.  The midwest farming  belt is moving north where it is likely that huge parts of Canada will open up to farming where they ar enow ice and permafrost.  Eventually, the USA will be forced to merge with or “acquire” Canada.  
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
How does your global warming hypothesis explain the dust bowl of the 1930s?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
A small blip that was a taste of the future.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
How does a killer whale affect the GNP of Outer Mongolia?
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
There is a better chance of a southern migration due to the grand solar minimum. 
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The west will run out of water once the Ogallala aquifer is emptied. That will be game over for most of the south western states. Probably 2-3 decades tops. So that may be the deciding factor before climate change.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I think it will work in conjunction.  
The problem is that human timescales are so short compared to the planet.  We see something happening for 5, 10, 20 or 100 years and think we have a trend when what is being seen is nothing other than a small anomaly in a much longer and bigger trend.  Too many climate deniers don’t understand this, so come up with dumb statements like “explain the dust bowl of the 1930s” or “grand solar minimum” BS or how come it is cold/warm somewhere today.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“Climate deniers” don’t have a monopoly on seeing trends in short term or local data. Poke those in the bleachers rooting for one side or the other and you’ll tap in to a purified stream of extrapolatoranism.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Global warming started earnestly in the 1900’s, so is that considered a small anomaly?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You understand that we are talking aeons here?  100 or 200 years is nothing.  Warming cycles have come and gone throughout history, often to the detriment of many species that couldn’t adapt to the new conditions, whether warmer or colder.  The sharp increase since the 1900’s is due to human industrialization in conjunction with a steep upslope in human pollution growth.  Without this factor, the trend in increased warmth would likely have been there, it just might have taken an extra 2-4 thousand years to become recognized.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
On that graphic, the US population center moved straight west until the most recent century-ish. Then it headed somewhat south, too. I’d guess air conditioning and Latin American immigration were the most important driving forces. Counter-force? The Great Migration, maybe?
It seems that for USA peoples’ location, global warming has been a weak force, at best. Even the 1930’s drought didn’t seem to move people north.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Agreed.  But the forces are building and will likely accelerate displacements and movement over the next 50 years significantly more than in the prior 50 years.  
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
More likely would be the center moving back up north and east as the South heats up and the West runs low on water, assuming that the climate models are correct of course which they may or may not be.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Some reading material:
——–
The Great Climate Migration
Climate Change Will Force a New American Migration
Wildfires rage in the West. Hurricanes batter the East. Droughts and floods wreak damage throughout the nation. Life has become increasingly untenable in the hardest-hit areas, but if the people there move, where will everyone go?
by Abrahm Lustgarten, photography by Meridith Kohut
Sept. 15, 2020
This article, the second in a series on global migration caused by climate change, is a result of a partnership between ProPublica and The New York Times Magazine, with support from the Pulitzer Center.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
And New York had 119,940 abortions, about one third of total pregnancies.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
And?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The U.S. average IQ has been decreasing since  the 1970s.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Brain size is shrinking also.  Hmmm.  But so what.  We work with what we got.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
A smaller brain would have less distance between the neurons, so that would be more energy efficient.  Density is a factor.  I don’t know if this applies to brains but it seems possible to me, for what that is worth.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
That might be a factor too. I have read bird have brains with their neurons packed together double of ours. It would be interesting to see if our very close relatives like the chimpanzees have the same energy-saving neurons that we have. I bet not.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
So….if the most intelligent cohort of the younger generation are afraid to have kids because of things like climate change and rising costs of supporting a family, and only the thoughtless and the dim reproduce, does that change anything about humanity’s chances for any kind of positive evolution, going forward? It seems like it wouldn’t be a good thing…but I’m no evolutionary biologist.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The movie Idiocracy was not intended to be a documentary, but…
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
No one is abstaining from having kids because of climate change. That’s absurd. Economic factors probably are a big factor though.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

I have seen the future, and it is stupid.

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
I have an insolvent public pension based on the unfunded actuarial liability.  However, people are not living longer.  Life expectany is declining, rapidly since Covid.  The actuaries will need to update their numbers in a year or two.  
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
How does the solvency look if salaries rise through inflation but payments to its retirees lag inflation? Add that to the lower life expectancy and you could see the pension fund’s solvency increase dramatically. Inflation has its uses.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Social Security will be insolvent in 8-12 years possibly even sooner should we get a major recession which I am expecting. Demographics and debt issues coming to the forefront in this decade. Interesting to see how this plays out and it wont be pretty.
Im also on the peak energy bandwagon and have been for 20 some years. I believe that energy production has plateaued and referring specifically to the States, I expect them to become an oil importer sometime in the next 10 years.
The fracking revolution pulled America to again become a major oil exporter but I expect that to be short lived. Needless to say if I am right on that theory, what does that do to the American psyche?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
SS will be funded one way or another, at least for existing beneficiaries.  This is why:
————
Social Security is the major source of income for most of the elderly.
– Nearly nine out of ten people age 65 and older were receiving a Social Security benefit as of December 31, 2020.
– Social Security benefits represent about 30% of the income of the elderly.*
– Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 37% of men and 42% of women
receive 50% or more of their income from Social Security. *
– Among elderly Social Security beneficiaries, 12% of men and 15% of women
rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income. *
*This information is from research released in 2021 using 2015 data.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Means testing for SS benefits may be the next step in balancing the SS/Medicare budgets.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
The question is how much that will gain the fund?
More likely is to eliminate the cutoff and make all income SS taxable with no upper limit.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The masses of homeless people already left to fester implies otherwise. Most of us couldn’t care less about our fellow man.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
SS is insolvent now
There is no trust and more importantly no fund.
The money has already been spent (and trillions more) 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
You know this is how SS was designed to work.  Remember Gore’s SS “lockbox” he wanted to implement if he became president?  Call it a Ponzi scheme if you want.  
Again, there is no way that SS payments will be stopped, whether the fund or the government is technically insolvent or not.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
SS will be means-controlled eventually, and greatly reduced. All it takes is higher interest rates.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
At some point in the near future, SS in its current structure will not be able to pay the benefits promised. According to this article it may be as close as 7 years. And thats not taking into account a recession should it happen.
What I find interesting is why in American politics, this seems to be a non-issue. Canada and the US are similar demographically and it was known 20 plus years ago that both Social Security and Canada Pension Plan were not sustainable. Canada took steps 20 some years ago to address the matter and the CPP is sustainable for 75 years.
America cannot afford its current social programs which no one seems to notice and appears to want to add more social programs as per the cancelled BBB. There is a day or reckoning coming and what comes out of that crisis remains to be seen.

“Data from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania estimates the fund https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/07/social-security-funds-at-risk-due-to-pandemic-what-that-means-for-you.html. And the Bipartisan Policy Center, a D.C. think tank, says the reserveshttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/23/how-upcoming-stimulus-legislation-could-affect-your-social-security.html

This doesn’t mean that Social Security will have run out of money completely, but it does mean they’d only be able to pay out a portion of the promised benefits.”

Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
While many public pension plans are in trouble in the States, most public pension plans in Canada are fully funded.
“Canadian pensions investments have also largely outperformed U.S pension investments in the last two decades. Preliminary analysis reveals that key differences in investment strategy, cost-sharing, and risk appetite are the reason for Canada’s success.”
“The Mercer Pension Health Index (MPHI), which represents the solvency ratio of a hypothetical defined benefit (DB) pension plan, remained relatively unchanged during the second quarter, coming in at 125 percent at the end of June. The median solvency ratio of the pension plans of Mercer clients was at 100% as of June 30.”
“In addition, around 60 per cent of the plans reporting to the FSRA were fully funded, with only four per cent slipping below the 85 per cent solvency ratio threshold that triggers the requirement for special top-up payments.”
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
“In contrast, public pension plans in the United States often fall short of their overly optimistic investment return expectations and often fail to make up the difference with increased contributions.”
What is noteworthy is that with the Canadian system, it is required to make special top up contributions should the plan not meet a certain solvency ratio, usually 85%. For example a state like Illinois would be required to make special top-up payments of roughly $100 billion for the next 5 years to meet the solvency ratio. In Canada, you cannot kick the can decades down the road. Even a state like Wisconsin would be required to make special top-up contributions to get its solvency ratio back in line.
The following link is representative of Canadian pensions:

“If a plan sponsor files a valuation and is underfunded on a solvency basis, it must make special payments into the pension plan.

For example, the threshold for special payments in Ontario is 85 per cent. “If you’re over 85 per cent funded then a) no special payments on a solvency basis and b) your next valuation is due three years from now,” says Vary. “But if you’re below 85 per cent, then you have to make solvency special payments over five years to get yourself back up to 85 per cent and you also need to do annual valuations.”

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