The Fed and the Bank of China Both Act to Punish Savers

Caixin (paywalled) says Chinese Banks Prepare to Lower Deposit Rates as Rate Cap Reform Takes Effect

Reform? What Reform? 

Michael Pettis at China Financial Market takes a crack at the alleged reform in a series of Tweets in reference to the above article (emphasis mine).

  1. A new financial-sector “reform” will allow Chinese banks to lower deposit rates so as to reduce their funding costs, which in turn will allow them to “lower businesses’ borrowing costs, benefiting the real economy.”
  2. But this doesn’t benefit the real economy: It benefits some sectors (e.g. manufacturing and investment) at the expense of others (e.g. services). With the deposit rate already well below CPI inflation, an even lower deposit rate simply increases the
  3. implicit financial-repression transfer from household savers to insolvent banks and borrowing businesses (and will further encourage households to speculate in property).
  4. Although Beijing insists that it must rebalance demand, in other words, this is yet another supply-side reform that is balanced with downward pressure on consumption growth. For all the talk of rebalancing, and “dual circulation”, the regulator’s default mode is to unbalance the economy further, which among other things reduces the labor-intensiveness of growth.

Fed, Bank of China, ECB, Bank of Japan

Q: Is the Fed, ECB, Bank of Japan, etc., doing anything essentially different?
A: Of course not, and it’s obvious. 

Banks don’t lend from deposits in the US, they lend when they have creditworthy borrowers seeking money. In China, banks lend when the government tells them to lend whether it makes any sense or not. 

Regardless, the CPI is up 5.0% year-over-year and deposit rates are negligible.

In the Eurozone, depositors get negative return for saving.

Fed Will Foolishly Continue QE Purchases in Search of Higher Inflation

On Wednesday, the Fed announced it will Continue QE Purchases in Search of Higher Inflation.

Inflation is a tax on consumers and savers, especially the poor. 

Real Hourly Pay Is Losing to Inflation

Despite Wage Increases, Real Hourly Pay Is Losing to Inflation

Those looking to buy a house have been clobbered by inflation, and it’s not even reflected in the CPI. 

Financial Repression Everywhere

The Fed’s explicit inflation policy is nothing other than financial repression of the poor for the benefit of asset holders (the wealthy).

Sadly, people in the US are likely to read Pettis’ Tweet thread and say “Look at what China is doing to its people” without stopping to think the Fed is doing the same damn thing.

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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
You know, the other thing China gets dinged for a lot is capital controls. But we have just as repressive a government when it comes to capital controls too. If you want my opinion (probably not, hehe) I think without the onerous capital controls, crypto would die a sudden death.
Multi-national corporations can move money anywhere, do business anywhere, pay taxes anywhere…but us little people have to keep our money in the bank in the good ole USA, or explain a lot……or maybe have our assets seized on suspicion. When  they started doing that, it was all over, really.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Does anyone remember the Fed’s Regulation Q? Among other things, It placed an upper limit on interest rates that banks were allowed to pay on customer deposits. In 1975, when market interest rate on US$ CDs were over 10%, Reg. Q’s upper limit was way below that. But I was able to help a co-worker get around Reg. Q by encouraging him to buy US$ CDs from one of the big Canadian banks in Windsor, Ontario, across the river from the Detroit area where we worked. Reg. Q was scrapped around 1982. Financial repression has been back for over a decade but in in a different form.  
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
they are not punishing savers.  they are punishing those who don’t engage in financial engineering.  it’s all about leveraging to the hilt and engaging in financial engineering.  without savings, there can be no leverage or financial engineering.  that is why companies with good debt ratings can engage in financial engineering and make out like bandits.  on the other hand, companies with junk ratings (i.e. no savings) aren’t able to play as hard. 
from the standpoint of individuals, this means coming up with creative investment strategies that aren’t accessible to most.  for example, i don’t even know how to trade options.  burry’s portfolio is full of option trades.
that said, i think volatility in commodities is going to cause a world of hurt for everyone.  companies are going to have trouble planning and supply chains will be impacted.  so get ready for shortages of all kinds.
ed_retired_actuary
ed_retired_actuary
4 years ago
“The Fed’s explicit inflation policy is nothing other than financial repression of the poor for the benefit of asset holders (the wealthy).” appears to me to be a bit broad.  The boards of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks are controlled by banks, so it is not surprising that the Fed is solicitous of the health of the banks relative to other sectors of society.  Banks generally have  longer duration assets that liabilities, so at least in the short term lower rates benefit bank balance sheets and income, although this benefit is currently  limited near 0 interest rates, as US banks for the most part cannot reduce deposit rates below 0.  In addition easy money tends to reduce bank credit losses.  The Fed appears less concerned with the harm to others with long duration liabilities hurt by low rates and inflation, such as retirees on fixed incomes and other savers, defined benefit pension plans (especially for state and municipal employees) , the Social Security and Medicare trust funds,  many life insurers, and nuclear decommissioning trusts.  Although the wealthy currently benefit from extremely rich asset valuation, they bear most of the risk of a bursting bubble and public radicalization that may bring about higher taxes and more onerous regulation. Therefore, the Fed’s actions may  be viewed as short sighted even from the financial perspective of most of the wealthy.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“But this doesn’t benefit the real economy: It benefits some sectors
(e.g. manufacturing and investment) at the expense of others (e.g.
services).”
That equal and opposite reaction thing that Newton talked about.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Financial repression is a b*tch.  And I look for it to get worse. Inflation, additional taxes and fees, more currency debasement.
And the country is eaten up with  Neo-Marxist Woke morons that wants to punish old white guys for being smart enough to have gotten something out of this crooked game. We sure do live in interesting times.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Oh, I didn’t know that a majority of those guys are billionaires!   I would have bet that the vast majority – over 96/97/98 percent – of them were dependent on SS and Medicare.  
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I never said all the old white guys were billionaires,……just that they (as a group)  are now taking the blame for many things they had absolutely no control over.
Billionaires are above the fray. It’s the upper middle class which has, and will continue to be, targeted, both from above and below.
It’s just like blaming the boomers for everything wrong with this country. 
I can see your politics from a mile away. I’d bet money you’d be happy to see wealth get “redistributed” to the deserving poor. No?
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
LOL.   I’d like to see a wealth tax on those with over 50 million dollars in assets.   That is NOT “upper middle-class” at least in the world that I live in 😉
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
A one time wealth tax or a yearly one? Even a 2% yearly wealth tax will confiscate 100% of someones wealth in just over 30 years. That may seem like a long time but trust me, it isn’t.
Anyway, if such nonsense were implemented then anyone with half a brain would just separate their wealth into smaller parcels that went below the threshold. In other words if I had 75 million in wealth, I’d split it into 3 parts of 25 million (myself, my wife, my daughter) and continue to separate as required.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Well, a 2% tax compounded over 30 years, will still leave you with 55%.  
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Oh, and how would you like it if over 30 years 45% (or more if you continued to accumulate anything) of all you owned was taken away from you but not say your neighbors? Presumably you’d be quite bitter.
And not everyone is Scrooge McDuck with a big money bin where they can mail in 2% of their cash. How do you mail in 2% of a family farm or business or art collection and so on. It’s impossible.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
If I had more than 50 million, I would *give* away lots of it.   I would not be worried about it being “taken away”. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
If I had more than 50 million, I would *give away* lots of it.   I would not have to worry about it being  “taken away”.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
And what if you had 750 million?   Or 10B?  Or 50B?    You will spread it around how many relatives and friends?!  
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
You spread it around in corporations. They are consider ‘people’ for tax purposes. You can have a lot of numbered companies. I know because I remember my dad having quite a few as a small businessman all to spread around the money to lessen taxes. For example the building that housed the company was in a separate numbered real estate company just so it could charge the real business a lot of rent so it could show lower profits (lower taxes) and the real estate numbered company could show profits only up to the point where it would pax tax. And on it goes.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Well, then the “corporations as people” crap has to be removed too.    Lot of crap from 40 years of Reaganomics. 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Would you like to see the unintended consequences of doing that?
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
We already have a wealth tax and it is called property taxes and is paid every year. Instead of coming up with a new tax I suggest you vote to double property taxes in your city. No need to go through Congress at all. Just vote in a AOC wannabe and there you are. You have the tools to lift your oppression and put it on others at your hand. Honestly whirlaway, I am surprised you haven’t thought of it already. Tell me where you live so I won’t buy property there.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Property taxes levied on homes that people live in, are regressive.   You wouldn’t expect a non right-winger to ask for increasing regressive taxes, would you??!!   Only right-wingers are for soaking the regular Americans, not me.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
The tax is based on the value of the property which is an asset and it is not based on the person’s earnings so technically it can be regressive especially if someone buys property that he can’t afford the taxes on it. A wealth tax is exactly the same way. It is a tax on assets and not on cash flow so what is your objection to using an existing tax to soak the rich and want a new tax to do exactly the same thing? Is it because you you don’t want your own property taxed more but because you want to show virtue you say you are for a tax that you know has little chance of passing?  If you own a house wouldn’t you be for increasing the property tax on it to finance woke policies of your local government since you support those policies?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Well when someone makes a string of bad economic and personal decisions they end up voting woke. Wouldn’t you agree?
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
An estimated 5% (maybe more) of seniors have a high enough income to be subject to Medicare premium surcharges. The surcharges kick in at $87,000 for a single retiree and $174,000 for a married couple. With an annual income of $90,000 a year, a single retiree is hardly a billionaire.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Most of those old rich guys are simply winners of the Vagina Lottery.  Had nothing to do with smart.  They’re given money because they have money.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
That’s a popular misconception, I think. Sure there are those who fit that description to a T. But there are also plenty of old white guys who got somewhere in life by working 70 and 80 hour weeks for most of a career, and/or by making their own money and then putting it to work.
@whirlaway……the problem with a wealth tax is…where does it stop? How much tax on somebody’s money in the bank is the right amount? And if a little is good, wouldn’t a lot be better?
I think we have to be very careful about direct confiscation of wealth, which is what you’re describing. That is the most  unAmerican thing that’s ever been looked at. 
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

If you researched that you’d find the opposite to be true.Most of those worth 5 million or more were born to poorer parents, inherited nothing and earned everything they made themselves.80 percent of all millionaires never inherited a dime.

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Been looking into that, but not much luck.  Do you have any links to stats I can look at?
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

https://www.ramseysolutions.com/retirement/the-national-study-of-millionaires-researchLook at the actual study, not on Ramsey’s take on it.  But the study itself, as far as I can see, is pretty sound.Also the book “The Millionaire Next Door” has quite a bit of research contained in it.  It’s a bit dated now, but Ramsey’s study he cites draws the same conclusion.4 out of 5 millionaires didn’t inherit a dime.  Yes, the 1% inherits their money, by and large, but most millionaires are not in the 1%.Virtually anyone can be a millionaire if you spend less than you make and invest the difference.That’s the great thing about America.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Most people I know who have a million plus in wealth have worked for it. It’s not that much money any more as even up to 3-4 million is not that much and easily achievable.
If you don’t believe me, consider a friend of mine who just retired at 55 as a fire fighter (assistant chief in his station). He was pulling down over 100K a year so his pension is ~100K a year. If he lives to 85 (30 years) he will rake in 3 million (100K x 30 years) and that doesn’t include his free health care or the fact his pension is indexed. Plus if he dies early his wife continues to collect. To top it off, he’s gotten another part time job in retirement. There are countless people in this position who worked for it and are multi-millionaires.
Plus there are lots more like Eddie or myself etc who did it by owning small business/having good paying jobs, investing wisely, saving etc.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I’d count 100k pension at 55 as a government handout.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I seriously doubt the firefighter who retires with a nice public union negotiated 100K pension went to work as a young man expecting that.  Should that guy be punished for his good fortune to have lived through a dangerous career and made it to retirement?  I think those inflated pensions are obscene, but I don’t blame the individual for taking it.
That example made me think of a firefighter who is my patient…He is a RE investor….not a cash flow guy like me, but a flipper. he spent all those long days sitting around the firehouse doing research on foreclosures, and he has been buying them and flipping them for 30 years. I’m sure his pension is not 100K here in Texas where we have no public sector unions, but 100K would be a drop in the bucket for him.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Firefighters are notorious flippers. My friend did the same thing. It’s because they work 3 days on (24 hr shifts) and 4 days off then 4 on, 3 off. So they have a lot of spare time on their hands and a lot of man power in the firehouse (ie other guys on same crew) so they typically all learn some skills (flooring, electric etc) and help each other remodeling their own homes or fixer uppers. It generates a fair amount of extra income.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
However you look at it, they are still multi-millionaires. Plus there are still private pension plans paying out money in the same fashion.
The pension is essentially a revenue stream you can get in the private sector by buying an annuity from an insurance company using your 401K balance.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Do I detect Vagina Envy there?
Cocoa
Cocoa
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The Wokes are funded by the billionaires to repress government effectiveness. Imagine, funding and getting the biggest morons on the planet into Congress or the White House. They know nothing about anything except their own personal grievances. Corporate power is the only functioning structure left. Not one person in DC and many coastal metro governments has an intelligence IQ over my shoe size. AOC is the most articulate dip in the bunch
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
“Despite Wage Increases, Real Hourly Pay is Losing to Inflation”.

So, let’s abolish the minimum wage then.   Problem solved, libertarian style! 😉

dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I’d be 100 percent in favor of abolishing the minimum wage as long as all welfare benefits are also removed, except to those verified as disabled. If there was no welfare there would be huge wage pressures on employers and employers could not find employees to hire at anywhere near the current minimum wage. It is precisely because of overly generous welfare that low income workers do not demand higher http://wages.SO yes let’s do it!  Eliminate most welfare and the minimum wage.  Everyone would win (except lazy people).
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
LOL.   Nice “theory” there!   “The more people that are out there looking for a job, the more the employers have to pay to hire someone.”

What are you smoking?   Do let me know!  It would be so fun to get *that* lost, once in a while 😉

dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway

That’s actually true.A family of four who is making minimum wage today and get’s a bump up in pay to 20 bucks an hour actually is in worse shape financially due to the loss of government benefits.Right now wages are climbing rapidly.  Why?  Once you answer that question you’ll be able to determine what would happen to wages if government benefits were drastically cut.I’m sure you realize that employers have to compete for workers today.  That competition is raising wages and people will work only when there is a perceived benefit to them.

whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
More bogus theories.  On the one hand, people are allegedly not working because of government benefits.   On the other hand, if government benefits are cut and all those people FLOOD the market, the wages are going to…. rise??!!    Even a pretzel would envy that kind of logic!
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Starving, homeless people always hold out for the very best salary.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Oh, those libertarians!   The are soooooooo smart that their “theories” can’t be understood – unless you imbibe and/or inhale some strong stuff first! LOL
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

There is no one starving or homeless right now in the USA, except either single men and women with felonies on their record or those who choose to live that way.  No family in the USA earns less than 50k a year when government benefits are included.  If you do not make enough you get sufficient food stamps to feed your family.Here in NC a single person gets 150 a month in food stamps if they earn less than 10k and a family of 4 will get over 750 a month in food stamps.  That’s more than enough to feed a family.

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
…and if you remove the government benefits, and these people have no income, they are going to continue to be fed and housed by what?
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You didn’t take the libertarian Econ 101 course!   They are going to take up jobs where the “market forces” enable them to get high wages.  Simple!  LOL 

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