Biden Cuts $700 Billion From Infrastructure Demands But “Where From” Is a Mystery

Biden initially sought $2.4 trillion for infrastructure. Then it was $1.7 trillion. Now, supposedly it is $1 trillion. 

The WSJ reports Biden Floats New Infrastructure Spending Offer of $1 Trillion

During a Wednesday meeting with Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R., W.Va.), Mr. Biden put forward the $1 trillion proposal, down from $1.7 trillion previously, and outlined options to pay for the spending that wouldn’t boost the corporate tax rate to 28% from 21%, as he previously proposed. Republicans have called any effort to boost the corporate tax rate or unwind the Republicans’ 2017 tax law a nonstarter.

“This should be completely acceptable to a number of Republicans who have said their bottom line is they want to leave the 2017 tax law untouched,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Thursday. “We’re also going to keep options open and keep a range of paths open,” she said.

Under one of Mr. Biden’s suggestions, the biggest companies would pay a minimum corporate tax of 15%, according to people briefed on the matter. Unlike Mr. Biden’s proposed corporate tax-rate increase or changes to taxes on U.S. companies’ foreign income, the minimum tax wouldn’t directly reverse the 2017 law, passed by Republicans with no Democratic support. That law reduced tax bills for most families and businesses, eliminated some breaks and dropped the corporate tax rate to 21% from 35%.

But the minimum corporate tax, already proposed by Mr. Biden as part of his broader agenda, would have some of the same effects by clawing back various tax breaks.

GOP Mulls Throwing Biden More Infrastructure Money

Politico reports GOP Mulls Throwing Biden More Infrastructure Money

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), her party’s lead infrastructure negotiator, is preparing to come back to the table with Biden tomorrow in the latest round of high-stakes talks that have frozen the White House’s initial $4 trillion proposal on Capitol Hill. The gap between the two sides is massive at the moment — Biden and Republicans aren’t even counting the size of the bill the same way and are approximately $750 billion apart. Their differences appear nearly impossible to bridge right now, according to two GOP sources familiar with the negotiations.

Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.) said on Thursday that his party would give the GOP about 10 days before making moves toward passing a package using budget reconciliation, an arcane process that allows certain spending bills to evade the Senate’s 60-vote requirement. Cardin described Democrats’ strategy as “going as far as we can with Republicans and not delay[ing] it beyond this work period without seeing some action.”

Republicans are skeptical they can muster the willingness to come up significantly from their current offer of about $250 billion in new money over current spending levels on roads, bridges and other infrastructure. Biden wants at least $1 trillion over current levels — a concession from his initial proposal of more than $2 trillion in new infrastructure spending, but a pitch that Republicans still view as a “major backslide” in negotiations, one GOP source said.

During a meeting at the White House on Wednesday, Biden presented a new offer to Capito about how the package could be paid for. Instead of raising corporate tax rates from 21 percent to 28 percent, Biden proposed that negotiators could impose a new corporate version of the alternative minimum tax, set at 15 percent.

Questions of the Day

Q: What is Biden proposing to cut from his original request?
Q: Where are Republicans willing to spend more? 

The answer to both is no one seems to know. I read a dozen articles but found no answers.  

For example, WaPo notes the alleged “Tax Concession” but does not address any spending changes.

President Biden signaled at a private meeting on Wednesday that he would be open to significant revisions on the size of his infrastructure package and how it would be paid for in order win Republican support, outlining a plan for about $1 trillion in new spending financed through tax changes that do not appear to raise the top corporate rate.

In his meeting with the GOP’s top negotiator, Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), Biden raised the possibility he could take the proposed rate increase off the table in an attempt to broker a compromise, according to a person familiar with the talks who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe them. The president still intends to seek the tax increase, the source said, meaning the White House could pursue the policy outside of the infrastructure debate — or in the case that bipartisan negotiations ultimately collapse.

Biden’s emphasis on these elements of his tax plan Wednesday marked an attempt by the White House to thread a delicate political needle. It aimed to preserve the president’s 2020 campaign pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making under $400,000 a year, while steering clear of the “red line” set down by Republicans who see the 2017 tax cuts as their crowning economic achievement.

Threading a Needle 

No one in their right mind believes Biden can thread a needle keeping his campaign pledges intact while steering clear of Republican and Democrat “red lines”.

There are 25 New York representatives alone who insist on restoring State and Local Tax deductions. Other high tax reps have stated the same. But Biden can only afford to lose a few reps or he loses a House majority. 

If the House restores that deduction, where does the revenue come from? 

A minimum corporate tax of 15% will not raise much money. 

Question of Semantics

These numbers swirling around have a huge context difference as Republicans want to count unspent stimulus money in their totals while Biden insists on new spending. 

The Republicans are willing to spend $1 trillion on infrastructure but only $250 billion is “new spending”.

All of Biden’s demands are for “new spending”. 

So despite a deep plunge from $2.4 trillion to $1.0 trillion the camps are roughly $750 billion apart despite the fact they both propose spending $1 trillion. 

And we still do not have any answers to my seemingly simple questions.

Budget Reconciliation

Many Democrats are ready to throw in the towel on negotiations hoping to ram this through on budget reconciliations. 

The budget reconciliation only takes a simple majority and it avoids a filibuster too. 

Under a budget reconciliation process, if all 50 Democrats vote passage (assuming the House can deal with the SALT issue), then Kamala Harris would cast the tie breaking vote.

What About Democrat Senators Manchin and Cinema? 

White House correspondent Garrett Haake just interviewed Senator Joe Manchin of WV. 

A Manchin defection would kill Reconciliation in one shot. 

And we still have not heard from Krysten Cinema (D., AZ) who has expressed similar concerns in the past. 

With all these forces in play, it’s no wonder Biden keeps dropping his demands. If only we knew what he actually dropped. 

Regardless, the tax issue alone is still not settled, neither of them actually, corporate taxes and SALT.

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ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
It looks like this is a calculated political move. Surprise.
They’re gaming their last shot at a large reconciliation bill to avoid a filibuster. The algorithm is complex.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Joe Manchin is my best hope for the future. I have an urge to support him financially in his next campaign, but first I want to see if he can stand strong against the machine. Funny how a congressman in another state can be so important. I hope a couple more Democrats step up to join him.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The traditional way to deal with someone like Manchin was to earmark extra infrastructure spending for WV. It will be interesting to see if that strategy is deployed.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
I’m expecting more downside in precious metals. I’d love for gold to make a nice dive straight down to strong support around 1850 or so….but after a big drop yesterday we might have to bounce first. It could take several days to a week for gold to bottom. I am long for a nibble on yesterday’s correction, but I’m intending to make a more significant trade in this cycle if we get another leg down, which does look fairly likely.
I have put aside enough cash to make this one more than a fun trade, although I won’t be using leverage. I hate leveraged ETF’s because the volatility will eat you, more times than not, if you try to swing trade them.  They’e only good for day trading, unless the market is trending very well in your favor, something that seldom seems to happen for me. 
I am using GDX and SLV for my proxies. I agree with the pundits who look for a good move in silver, which has been basing for some time. 
Bohm-Bawerk
Bohm-Bawerk
4 years ago
You have to pass the bill to know what’s in it.
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Bohm-Bawerk
yup. especially when most of the bill slips in via reconciliation after the bill is passed.
JG1170
JG1170
4 years ago
Quick rant for anyone who sees the words “corporate tax” and gets a wide grin on their face. Those two words make me cringe. Who exactly are you sticking it to with a “corporate tax”? The piece of paper sitting in a file cabinet at the registrars office? That “corporation”? Boo-hoo I guess that piece of paper won’t be buying any more yachts this year. A corporate tax gets paid by “no one” as it gets put right onto the expense side of the ledger, alongside labor and raw materials, etc. One way or another, it gets paid by all consumers (us) via price inflation or shrinkflation. Try explaining that concept to a Bernie bro and they think you’re just an evil capitalist Trumptard who can’t think for himself. (My problem with Trump isn’t that he cut the corporate taxes, but that he didn’t cut the spending side commensurately!).
QTPie
QTPie
4 years ago
Reply to  JG1170
It’s not that simple. Companies hardly pay anything in dividends anymore. Most of the profits go into buybacks which have considerable tax benefits to wealthy people due to the currently favorable tax treatment of capital gains vs. ordinary income.
JG1170
JG1170
4 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Well I don’t understand how stock buybacks can even be legal personally. There should be strong limits of some kind imo.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  JG1170
Well, given that apparently fiscal responsibility is highly unlikely to suddenly appear in American politics, the game becomes about supporting  whatever policy is best for one’s own personal best interest….and failing to do that, for people like me, is guaranteed to result in getting completely screwed by the tax man.
When corporate taxes go down, my taxes inevitably go up, because there is no real possibility of cutting taxes across the board, and the politicians and the IRS go after whatever low-lying fruit they can find. Tax cuts always create winners and losers….and the “tax the rich” idea is a perversion, because the real rich are fairly impervious, and the government  continues to squeeze more and more from the high earners who are left to go after.
I don’t think a real wealth tax will ever get far, because it’s basically a straight-up confiscation of assets. That is contrary to the American way of thinking, at least as it’s always been. Who knows, with socialism on the rise..as it surely is these days. 
Corporations are not my friends. I can name several ways that the power of corporate America has made it much worse for Mom & Pop business people, in the world I’ve lived in for the past 30 years. They have the clout to get what they want, and we are pawns in their game. Self-protection is high on my list of responses to those attacks. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  JG1170
Corporations are legally people.  Why shouldn’t they pay tax?
JG1170
JG1170
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Because regardless of what the law says, they aren’t people lol. Corporations are nothing but a two-column ledger of expenses and income. Nobody there to “take the hit” and have to “trim back on their excesses”. Some corporations can absorb the tax temporarily without raising their final cost, but over time, it all gets factored in and society at large pays the tax. Corporate taxation is the biggest “feel good” scam of all time.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
The good news I take from this is that the proposed amount of spending keeps dropping which is a good thing. The more it drops the better off we’ll all be because it means lower taxes required to pay for it.
QTPie
QTPie
4 years ago
The bill should definitely be split up to a separate infrastructure bill and a human services bill. Not only does that make logical sense but that is also how government accounting normally works whereby capital projects are separated out budget-wise from ongoing cost type items which usually go in an operating/general fund.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
I agree it should be.
But the human services bill has zero chance of passing so the Democrats must include it as part of infrastructure in order to get some of it passed.

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