Luigi Mangione was arrested in Pennsylvania and found with a firearm suppressor, a ghost gun and multiple fraudulent IDs.
Luigi Mangione Arrested
The Wall Street Journal reports Person of Interest in Killing of UnitedHealth Executive Arrested.
A McDonald’s employee in Altoona, Pa., about 85 miles east of Pittsburgh, saw Luigi Mangione, 26, eating and called police Monday morning, the New York City Police Department said at a news briefing Monday afternoon. The man was arrested on firearms charges. Authorities called him a “strong person of interest” in the killing of UnitedHealthcare Chief Executive Brian Thompson.
Police believe Mangione traveled from New York after fatally shooting Thompson early Wednesday outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel before an investor meeting. The suspect wrote the words “delay,” “deny” and “depose” on bullets that are believed to have come from his gun, a law-enforcement official said. Those words are commonly associated with tactics insurers use to avoid paying claims.
The man also had a handwritten three-page document that showed ill-will toward corporate America, said NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny.
Widespread Anger Over “Delay,” “Deny” and “Depose”
Also consider Clues Left by a Killer Echo Widespread Anger at Health Insurers
The words “deny,” “defend” and “depose”—etched in Sharpie on bullet casings recovered outside the Midtown Hilton after Wednesday’s deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson—have focused attention on threats faced by professionals in all levels of the health-insurance industry, from call centers to c-suites, as companies review their security measures and plan to step them up.
The words are familiar to anyone on the front lines of the emotional battles between insurance companies and their customers over coverage issues. Patient support groups commonly use the refrain “deny, delay and defend,” which is meant to summarize cost-driven insurance-company tactics that some customers see as harsh.
“It’s a common saying,” said Paul Napoli, a plaintiffs’ lawyer who has filed numerous lawsuits against insurers, including UnitedHealthcare. “It’s their modus operandi to figure out the methods and means to deny coverage.”
Some Americans displayed shockingly little sympathy online for Thompson, citing their own experiences struggling to get coverage and describing health insurers as greedy.
“No sympathy for a man that made his living and massive amounts of money on the backs of people that needed healthcare. He made the policies that caused innocent people and kids to die because they denied” coverage, said one poster on TikTok.
Another TikTok poster sarcastically offered condolences: “My deepest thoughts and deductibles to the family. Unfortunately my condolences are out-of-network and it isn’t deemed medically necessary.”
In addition, a new memecoin launched on Wednesday night after the shooting with the name DDD for “Deny Defend Depose,” according to Dexscreener, a crypto trading website. The coin traded on Raydium, a decentralized crypto exchange, and its market capitalization was recently about $2 million, the website showed.
At the root of much anger with health insurers are long-running industry practices that the companies have used to keep a lid on costs. Among them is prior authorization, which requires patients and doctors to get permission from an insurer before a medical procedure.
Nearly a quarter of doctors said prior authorization had led to a serious adverse event for a patient, while 78% said the process sometimes led to treatment abandonment and 94% said it had delayed necessary care, according to a survey of 1,000 practicing physicians last year by the American Medical Association.
The practice is widespread—nearly all of insurers’ Medicare customers are required to get authorization for at least some services, according to an analysis by healthcare research nonprofit KFF. About 10% of the 46 million requests were denied, according to 2022 data.
Rejection rates varied from 4% to 13% among insurers, and UnitedHealthcare’s, at 8.7%, wasn’t the highest.
Healthcare and social-assistance workers have faced the highest levels of workplace violence among any sector, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. There are about 14 cases for every 10,000 full-time healthcare and social-assistance workers, compared with the annual rate of 2.9 cases for employees generally.
Centene, another health insurer, said Thursday that it wouldn’t hold its planned in-person investor event scheduled for next week in New York, instead offering the program virtually.
On the YouTube channel of AskTheLawyers, a five-year-old video titled “Delay, Deny, Defend: How Insurance Companies Sabotage Your Claim” was getting fresh viewers on Thursday. “UNH CEO brought me here…,” wrote one commenter.
Luigi Mangione was so sloppy, carrying a firearm suppressor, a ghost gun, and hand written documents that one has to wonder if he just got tired of running and was ready to be captured.
Regardless, he is now in custody.
remember whatever you comment your comments will be scanned and noted by the FBI etc. The Utah NSA facility can hold all cell phone data until 2060 – that is it currents capacity, not the date when they delete your records.
That facility is only one of several located across the nation. You are living in a surveillance state. respond appropriately.
Free speech was so 20th century..
Sorry.
You’re not allowed to read the bill until you’ve passed the bill.
It’s the American way.
Curing medical maladie for profit?
Always a bull market!!
Why do I get handed a final consent form when I’m in a procedure room just before IV hook-up? Next procedure, I’m asking for EVERYTHING ahead of time. Happening at DDS office too.
Yes, the consent form said I may be responsible for anesthetic costs if insurance doesn’t fully cover — I said, just wake me up, you usually overdue it anyway.
Push back folks.
Sorry.
You’re not allowed to read the bill until you’ve passed the bill.
It’s the American way.
Sorry.
You’re not allowed to read the bill until you’ve passed the bill.
It’s the American way.
If he didn’t have the tax stamp for the suppressor, then he can get up to 10 yrs in federal prison. Taking the suppressor across state lines — again, if he didn’t have the tax stamp — may even net him an extra 5 yrs in federal prison. This is all BEFORE any NY homicide charges are factored in.
That boy won’t ever see the outside again. He committed the ultimate crime for an oligarchy.
Isn’t murder the ultimate crime in any society?
No, it isn’t. Not in the USA. Watch the documetary Four Hours in My Lai on YouTube. None of the 100 murderers and child rapists/murderers ever spent a night in prison. And the WONDERFUL Christian, Gov. Jimmy Carter, created the holiday American Fighting Men’s Day in Georgia to honor those murderous pedos.
i would posit killing an unborn child for no reason other than its not convient, should rise above simple murder. but thats just me mansplaining.
Only if the victim is wealthy. The NYPD is ignoring thousands of other murders. The oligarchy wants to make an example of this one.
I guess he should have consulted a lawyer prior to doing the deed!
Who purchased massive puts in UNH Dec 1-4? ……Sherlock Holmes would like to know.
beleive it was the 9-11 commission that bought the airline puts prior to 9/11 operation to push through the Patriot Act, which was conviently written 10 years before the twin towers fell.
Here’s an idea… If a health insurance company is systematically denying claims that it legally is bound to cover, then BRING A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
Otherwise stop whining about the cost of health insurance. If you think you can do better, start a non-profit fund to offer health insurance at lower cost, and with better coverage. Boutique insurance would allow you to select specific coverage for you. Oh wait. You can”t! And the reason why? BLAME OBAMA and the welfare state.
Ah, if were so simply. Oligarchical companies have the
bribedlobbied the law on their side – – binding arbitration is mandated in almost every insurance contract nowadays.This leaves the Trial Lawyers to earn their helo-sking from the MD’s.
First couple sentences here in ALL CAPS.
https://www.uhc.com/content/dam/uhcdotcom/en/npp/TOU-uhcfp-eAdmin-EN.pdf
I suppose the HoP (hierarchy of power) is:
Obamacare actually codifies this within its 906 pages of legalese known as Public law: 111–148.
You are correct that starting a boutique insurance company is not possible. One-size-fits-all … may the most-
ruthlessefficient win!So the problem is governmental interference, but the people who cheered Obamacare are the ones now justifying homicide due to the downside incentives created by Obama care. So now they want more government intervention as the solution to the imposition of more government intervention.
Government intervention is also known as a self-licking ice cream cone.
We still have a leader that is very much into ice cream cones.
41 days and counting.
The perp used a mask and a hoodie. The gun was suppressed and uncommon, some say 3D printed. On his escape, he ditched the backpack. Now we are to believe that the guy had the gun, fake ids and a manifesto on his person while eating a burger some hundreds of miles away a week later? Maybe. But, really?
I guess this case is “economics” related due to the victim being a healthcare CEO and the alleged gunman writing about DDD.
But it’s also sad we don’t hear or pontificate much about the other 15K+ people killed by guns this year in American: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
I think we’re so used to it nobody bats an eye anymore.
Media suppression … all bread and circuses.
At least Laken Riley (no gun — head brutally bashed in over a 5-10 min period) attracted some attention but remember the tag-line, I-immigrants cause less crime than citizens.
Speaking of circuses, did you see the White House Christmas decorations! sheesh…
Plus the execution was captured on Video — so well framed it seems planned.
This story is getting more coverage than United Healthcare provides.
I find the “how” more interesting than the “why”. The assassin knew exactly where/when Mr. Thompson would be. Like he had access to the GPS on his phone.
Industry conferences typically list the sessions available, who will be speaking and at what time. No rocket science necessary.
more mysterious is how did the Trump assasin know he would be at the golf course when he took those shots? Isn’t it funny/strange we know about the alleged NYC shooter, than we do about either of trump’s assasins ?
The media is being controlled by the government. as usual..
Because he’s always at the golf course… spent most of his term there
“Police Arrest Person of Interest in Killing of UnitedHealth Executive”Let me fix that for you: Police Arrest Killer of UnitedHealth Executive
Another judge, jury, and executioner. He taught you well.
You’re innocent in the USA until proven guilty or able to find some mistake made in evidence collection or other investigation or trial steps!
Every American should be insured without paying a cent to insurance companies or ever dealing with them. Just walk up to the hospital and pay a small co-pay fee and that’s it.
In the background, government will cover the insurance costs of everyone unemployed and those employed in small business, while large employers would be required to cover the costs of employees and their families. They can choose whichever insurance company offers the lowest rates, since all the services will be the same anyway for everyone.
The state of healthcare in the United States has long been a subject of debate and concern. Despite being one of the wealthiest nations in the world, the U.S. faces significant challenges in providing accessible, affordable, and high-quality healthcare to all its citizens. One potential solution that has garnered attention in recent years is the idea of the government taking over the healthcare system, including addressing issues such as malpractice insurance for healthcare providers, their training, and operational expenses. This essay explores the reasoning behind this proposal, focusing on the need for universal healthcare, cost control, and improved patient outcomes.
One of the primary reasons for the U.S. government to take over the healthcare system is to ensure universal access to healthcare services. Currently, millions of Americans are either uninsured or underinsured, leaving them vulnerable to financial ruin in the event of a medical emergency. By implementing a government-run healthcare system, the U.S. could join the ranks of countries like Canada, the United Kingdom, and many European nations, where access to healthcare is considered a fundamental right. Universal healthcare would guarantee that all Americans have equal access to essential medical services, regardless of their income or employment status.
The cost of healthcare in the United States is significantly higher than in other developed countries, and it continues to rise at an unsustainable rate. A government takeover of healthcare could help control these costs through various means:
a) Single-Payer System: One potential approach is the establishment of a single-payer system, where the government is the sole payer for healthcare services. This system can negotiate lower prices for drugs, medical procedures, and equipment due to its bargaining power, resulting in cost savings that can be passed on to patients.
b) Administrative Efficiency: A government-run system can streamline administrative processes by reducing the complexity of billing and insurance claims. This would lead to significant cost savings, as the current multi-payer system is notorious for its administrative overhead.
c) Bulk Purchasing of Pharmaceuticals: The government can negotiate lower drug prices by purchasing pharmaceuticals in bulk, which would help alleviate the financial burden on patients and the healthcare system.
A government takeover of healthcare also presents an opportunity to improve the training and accountability of healthcare providers, which can lead to better patient outcomes.
a) Standardized Training: The government can establish and enforce standardized training and certification requirements for healthcare professionals. This would ensure that all providers meet a certain level of competency and expertise, reducing the likelihood of medical errors and malpractice.
b) Malpractice Insurance: To address the issue of malpractice insurance, the government could create a unified system that provides affordable coverage for all healthcare providers. This would protect both patients and healthcare professionals while reducing the burden of exorbitant malpractice premiums.
c) Quality Assurance: Government oversight can focus on maintaining high-quality care and patient safety. Regular evaluations and assessments can identify areas of improvement and ensure that healthcare providers meet stringent quality standards.
Conclusion
The United States faces numerous challenges in its current healthcare system, including lack of universal access, skyrocketing costs, and inconsistent quality of care. A government takeover of healthcare presents a compelling solution to address these issues by providing universal access, controlling costs, and enhancing provider training and accountability. While implementing such a system would undoubtedly be a complex and challenging endeavor, it has the potential to transform the U.S. healthcare system into one that is more equitable, efficient, and effective, ultimately benefiting all Americans. By addressing malpractice insurance, healthcare provider training, and operational expenses within this framework, the U.S. can move closer to a healthcare system that prioritizes the well-being of its citizens.
One thing i have noticed about the government is that it is corrupt.
And business isn’t?
We have only one government. If it’s corrupt, you’re totally screwed. At least there’s a chance you can choose not to deal with a corrupt corporation and go to a competitor. Unless the corrupt government is working with the corporations.
Find me a non-corrupt health insurance provider offered by my employer. I’ll wait.
So far, good experience with health sharing ministries.
Um, I think RonJ is being /sarc
business and government are 2 coins of the same side… in case you hadn’t noticed why the State Department and the CIA exist, its for the bankers and their business interests.
So, fascism.
Maybe but the current “health care” system isn’t?
This is what you get in a Capitalist economic system where profit is the first and foremost goal. What is not clear about this?
My brother-in-law has VA, free health care, although he was kicked out of the Navy. A major source of recreation is going to the VA. Since he doesn’t have to pay, every cold, ache or imagined ailment requires a free trip to the VA. He even gets a free ride. Do you want to extend this to the entire population?
Many people do; they’d also like govt-paid Uber-Eats since “food is a right”.
he should be careful the government likes to experiment on people in their “care” systems. many cases of dosing with experimental compounds, drugs, electro shock therapy.
The best healthcare is to stay out of the healthcare systems, government or private/corporate.
What’s next? Universal vacations? Universal access to private transportation?
At what point do we not pay for the 75-year-old man with prostate cancer? Is there a cutoff at 55 years old.
The US is already technically bankrupt. It is borrowing about $2 trillion a year to pay its current bills, with NO way of stopping the outflow.
Actually, I think my $350k Ferrari should pay the same car insurance as your Honda Civic, despite my awful driving record of 10 accidents in 2 years, and 8 speeding fines.
The solution to high costs is MORE COMPETITION, which will result in INNOVATION. Always has, always will.
Is that in the Constitution somewhere? Did I miss this right?
This guy was quite wealthy also, supposedly a heir to a fortune his grandparents created. Maybe they will plead mental issues of some kind and squirrel him away in a private mental facility where he can while away the rest of his days.
BTW: The CEO guy was separated from his wife. Maybe he really was an ahole who put profit before everything else?
I don’t think there are any saints in this saga.
the lesson to learn is the social thermometer went way over boiling a long time ago. The USA is in French Revolution territory and the CEO are saying “let them eat cake”.
No saints, but certainly understanding to be had, that when people feel they have nothing to lose, they will do what they think is necessary.
Since the 2008 bank bailout, people have gotten poorer, life expectancy has dropped, food is more expensive, families are fractured and the top .01% have pumped every cent out of those below them, that they can.
When a structure has been hollowed out it collapses. When chaos begins its hard to put it back in the can.
There are massive cracks in the social structures of our society, when it fails it fails all the way to the top.
No heroes certainly, but a host of villains have been revealed. learn from it or be surprized at the future.
He made a major sacrifice to dispense justice to someone untouchable by the law. The man is a hero.
You read too many comic books.
You lick too many boots.
So, opposition to assassination is bootlicking to the perverted immoral mind. Got it.
Who else would you like to see gunned down? Just…. wow.
Do you have a problem with people who think for themselves?
I despised Nasty Pelosi. She lied endlessly and destroyed any number of lives in pushing the RussiaGate story. I didn’t go out and murder her.
Where do you get this nonsense from? Vigilante murder is still murder. As for untouchable? PROVIDE proof.
He’s a coward who shot a man in the back. Calling him a hero is morally perverse and evil.
now explain war to me. how is it moral to shoot a man you don’t know for a reason you don’t understand?
Raison d’etat. There is at least an argument for justified war. Even justifiable homicide. This fails both tests.
he was a CEO, that is basically what his title implies Profit is God.
So many comments and soooo many people don’t have a clue. It’s always follow the money.
https://www.tiktok.com/@underthedesknews/video/7446526081605045546
Who was the alleged shooter? What was his background? What was his family’s ecosystem?
Why is United Health buying up all the nursing homes? do they have a plan to juice up their profits by eliminating their costs? When is euthanasia coming to a nursing home near you?
told you guys to stay away from health insurance for a reason…..
got exit strategy?
And this is exactly the problem with the profit motive when it comes to health care. Pharma is guilty of it too.
How do you “stay away from health insurance” ? Insurance in general has been made to be a necessary evil. I guess you could stay away from it and just live with the risks and be more self sufficient. But I’ve not met a person that eventually didn’t need insurance of some kind.
The real issue isn’t insurance but lack of transparent pricing due to 4 disparate health systems. Eventually some form of single payer will take hold in America. The insurance companies know their gravy train is going to eventually end.
I was referring to investing in health insurance stocks but I’ve covered the other topic as well in comments here. How I avoid U.S. healthcare
I’ve been fine without vaccination. Got Covid only once, compared to those who got multiple shots. Studies show that unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated. Nothing kooky about that. Flu shots are less than 50% efficacy. Why are patients not informed of the Absolute Risk Reduction of vaccines, just the Relative Risk Reduction? They are hiding the truth.
My feeble old mom has been fine without the vax… several aunts, uncles, and coworkers are dead from it. It’s a crap shoot. Nobody forced you to get vaxxed, obviously, so quit whining about it.
it was probably a cold, the COVID swab is notoriously inaccurate. by design. can’t have a pandemic without a “designated disease” via bad testing.
“Call your Congress rep and tell them to reform/eliminate health insurance. If they get enough calls, they will act.”
Bro, please.
Yeah.
Should also try this with the income tax and Social Security.
you have a knack for satire…
Recommending people practice fraud is maybe not the best idea.
My favorite #3 – … avoid … exercise, etc.
we probably don’t agree much but I agree with you here.
I am telling you a few things I do know:
80%(at least) of Americans have no idea what the total cost of their med ins policy is with their employer. Obamacare mandate of >50 employees and employers total cost is in box 14 code dd of your W-2. Everyone should look at the #. I see NYstate employees complain they pay $600 monthly, includes dental/eye, but have no idea the code dd is 32,800 plus, not knowing if they had to pay 100% for their policy its 2,733.33 or that they are getting a 25,000 job benefit(forget if the cost of policies are overpriced. we know that)
Then I have the Trump supporters that are on NY health exc, late 20s healthy and never sick but make to much money(not much more) for a credit and pay 800.plus monthly and think we do not need some form of government health cost coverage.
What the hell is wrong if you take your kid to a Dr for usual winter flu’s, minor infections and its paid for by the govt? Why does someone have to pay 9,600 a year and use the system once for a minor visit?
Insurance companies, soon Hedge funds, will own the dr’s hospitals and nursing homes..Something seriously wrong with that
Maybe be ask yourself how much of these costs are directly relatable to Obama care, which was never insurance per se, but sold as such.
hedge funds will own the entire economy soon, housing, etc. what then? who will they sell to when they own everything?
its long past anti-trust was brought on Blackrock et al..
Correct – most mid- to large employers pay at least two-thirds of the employees’ premiums. It is a huge benefit.
As a side note…..it’s possible the suspect was still on his parents’ health insurance.
Who is this “single payer”? It’s quite magnanimous of him.
The guy that takes 40% of my paycheck.
And with single payer he’ll take a whole lot more. In fact you’ll effectively be working for him.
It’s a marketing term, like buy one, get one free.
I don’t approve what he did, but understand what drives the rage. My wife is here today only because her oncologist went to the mat for Keytruda, which cured her cancer. She got in a free treatment regimen (probably for the studies) after Blue Cross Blue Shield deemed the treatment experimental. That being said, the full retail cost of Keytruda would have been close to 3/4 of a million. I’m grateful my wife is here and healthy, but also understand costs must be controlled, too. I’m also saddened by the knowledge that many people in my wife’s situation likely died after denial of treatment.
High School valedictorian and Ivy League cum laud technology graduate commits the sin of hubris.
Yes, special people can do what they want. Athletes and music celebrities are cases in point.
How Americans got to this point of hating their healthcare system: It’s a blame game between pharma, insurers, and hospitals, and patients are the victims https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/390111/united-healthcare-ceo-shot-insurance-hospitals-doctors
Americans hate everything these days, lol.
Maybe it had something to do with warpspeed…. you know the death jab
the DNC thanks you for your continued effort. Warpspeed was a DOD program, Trump just happened to be the figure head. look up who bought all the MRNA vaccine for the jabs for every american.
another case of can’t see the forest for the trees.
US democracy, influenced by Citizens United, is a farce. Everyone is aware of our health insurance problems, including Congress, and everyone knows nothing substantive will be done.
There’s at least 1 positive thing to come about as a result of the killing: BlueCross reversed its policy on limiting anesthesia payments based on time standards published by CMS.
That reversal in policy has saved future lives. Imagine rushing a surgery or cutting it short to meet time standards. Then the patient dies.
So let’s be thankful something positive has come of this.
There should be FAR more coverage of that BS!!!
Not from the billionaire owned media, and not even on the anointed newsmax.
Anthem BlueCross/BlueShield backed off because of the optics right now, but the issue is that a group of anesthesiologists were over billing and exploiting the system. BC/BS finally said enough, and wanted to cap the time a anesthesiologist could bill for based on industry averages for the procedures. Note that Medicare actually does the exact same thing, paying a set cost per procedure, instead of paying in billable time increments. There never was any real danger of rushing a surgery to meet time standards and the patient dying. This issue is not resolved, and I would expect for the cap to get reinstated at some point.
right… thanks for the talking points. your check is in the mail
McDonald’s? Why not a nice bistro, or if you have to go with a chain restauarnt, Ruth Chris.
Why would people be angry and aggressive?
People are realizing the law doesn’t apply to the wealthy… which would be fine if the wealthy didn’t use that fact to exploit everything and everyone.
The shooter himself would be considered a privileged White male in any other circumstance.
… and he gave it all up for justice. He’s a hero.
Well, Mish, since the person of interest appears to reside in the modern progressive educated class perhaps 18th century dueling codes common among consenting slave owning gentlemen, like Andrew Jackson or Aron Burr and Hamilton, should be recognized as legal civil matters starting with a glove slap to the offenders face and not capital crimes, thus forestalling the back shooting of vial offenders to achieve justice and resolution to political economic disputes and harms in an honorable matter between dueling adults, whether gentlemen or peasants, with required mandatory civil court litigation if the challenge to a duel is refused by the glove slapped offender in front of 2 required witnesses. Problem solved. .
I fully support the reinstatement of the code duello
Dueling would force morality on wild west capitalism.
Seems like a lot of effort just to ban ghost guns.
Seriously, though, let’s call it for what it is: the end result of an entitlement society that thinks Obama care is ‘insurance,’ when really, it is just another extremely expensive entitlement program with a biased cost structure, doomed to fail from the outset.
Insurance, at its core, is about risk management. For a given situation (level of risk), you pay a premium to cover predetermined costs for a particular outcome, which has some probability of occurrence. Plus an amount to cover the profit ans servicing costs of the contract (aka policy).
Obama care was NEVER insurance, more of a (partial) copay for unlimited coverage, including some you didn’t want/or need. It ended up greatly increasing the cost of medical care, with an additional cost for administration. And let’s not forget FRAUD.
Dude, insurance is nothing more than socialism, but pulling off grotesque profits for the few at the expense of citizen’s lives.
Let us not forget United Healthcare’s post that it’s their job to collect money from all of us, and deny as much as possible, to protect the healthcare system from bad claims.
Seriously, WTF…
Inurance as I defined it is a risk management technique. Car insurance is an example based on driving record, cost of repair, miles driven etc and the probability of damage or theft.
Obama changed that for health. He bears full responsibility for today’s mess
It’s a business, and like any business, you take in as much as possible, and pay out as little as possible. In the health insurance business, that means letting people suffer and die increases profit.
In which case. Read the policy before signing. Enforce it in court.
Love those down votes. How many people actually read the ‘fine print?” It is there for a reason. Is the health insurnace violating its contract with you? If so, society has processes to address such situations in court. If you don’t like the outcomes, do something to fix it; which is NOT to shoot someone.
bullets cost pennies, lawsuits cost millions, even you must understand the risk/reward ratio of an investment so small that causes such a large outcome.
that is the problem, the system offers only false alternatives. There is no simple path to redress. when the system fails, the responses will come from outside the system.
the guilltone was much faster than petioning the king, even if the Rothschilds probably purchased them to bring chaos to French Society. The socio economic conditions, the famine and the lack of care of the rulers for the ruled, led to the heads of state being buried separately from their bodies.
The rich rule at the mercy of the poor but few of the rich care or even know their pinnacle rests on an unstable mass of angry people.
This is not the way to solve problems.
I have seen charts on the national media showing United Health Care denial rate being closer to 33%? After having seen what doctors file for under Medicare it doesn’t surprise me. Lots of duplicate billing done in shady ways by doctors offices that I’ve seen UHC catch.
That being said there needs to be way faster emergency authos…
Whole thing makes no sense to me.
Meticulously plans out a Murder, rides away on a bicycle, leaves NYC, but gets tripped up in a McDonald’s in PA.
Perhaps too many voices in his head telling him what to do next.
Typical loony wings of political spectrum believing they are the chosen.
Oh forgot to mention, if this is the guy who did it, NYC had to show they were on top of things.
Not a good look for the City as a Business gathering place to host your shareholder meetings. NYC finances are shaky enough without an event like this occurring.
Guns are already illegal there, what else they gonna do?
So are illegal migrants who are illegal, but that doesn’t stop a thing in NYC.
Anyways going to be some more cancellation Hotel rooms coming on line to house more migrants. Viva la progressives.
NYC does have to demonstrate such things, as a destination city. But as for the “look,” as you framed it, that would mean execs, who should know risk and insurance concepts, along with others (as in, a broader public in the wake of 9/11, also) would have to misjudge the risk arising out of single events in NYC. Most execs know risk better than that, but the broad public/commentariat does not (as when people stopped flying after 9/11, and many more driving deaths resulted). That’s nothing new.
Lee Harvey Oswald on a bicycle. curious times indeed.
It’s even stranger than what you wrote (ie something is fishy). I saw this comment on another site:
Let me get this straight:
Killer is Luigi Mangione, Ivy League grad with degrees in comp sci, avid reader and active contributor on GitHub.
He has a 130+ IQ but he takes off his mask at a Starbucks to flirt with an employee, then an hour later goes and calmly kills the CEO of a major healthcare company, rides away on a bike.
A week later goes to a local McDonalds where he brings the murder weapon, the fake ID he used to check into a hotel, and a written manifesto on how horrible the American healthcare system is. He somehow gets identified by the cashier after he sits down.
He works on his laptop until police come inside the McDonalds, sitting there with a ghost gun and suppressor he made himself. Gotcha.
The convenience of all that evidence being present given the level of preparation and overall caution in carrying out the killing seems pretty suspicious to me…
I think he wanted to get caught. Why else would he carry the ids and pistol?
Then why bother to run after shooting the guy in the first place? Just lay down the gun and wait for police to arrive.
Perhaps he quickly tired of running, and realized that if he cotinued he would have to effectively put himself in a self made prison for from civilization in order to remain free. Even doing that wouldn’t guarantee he could evade police.
Maybe after seeing that he had slipped up and revealed his face in that photo (and police had it) he decided running was futile.
Just because someone is reported as “smart” doesn’t mean they are infallible and never slip up and do foolish stupid things. Stop heaping God like qualities on alleged smart people. It leads to the age old logical fallacy of appealing to authority. They are humans like the rest of us and make really dumb mistakes from time to time.
And stop with the stupid fucking conspiracy theories.
There’s no conspiracy theory being proposed here. It’s YOU who are imagining one.
I merely pointed out how absurd the official narrative is at the moment. So absurd that if you proposed to make a movie about something like this and had the killer (who we have no clear photo of) spotted by a random McDonalds employee who calls the police and when they arrive he just happens to have all the evidence on his personage a week later that your movie premise would be laughed out of the room.
The guy seemed to do any awfully good job of invisibility up to the act, and right after that, into a large crowded city with plenty of cameras, accomplishing a homicide, etc. Then suddenly he got incredibly inept at thinking through evidence and evasion? It is weird.
Like his ride didn’t show up.
Maybe he was planning to pop as many as he could before he got caught. Would explain the gun.
a gun can be a defensive weapon as well as an offensive weapon. Also some people collect them like model trains or Funko-pops.
I think to speculate on an unknown without knowledge or facts is a long journey to failure, and that the time could be more well spent on just about anything else.
Ivy League isn’t what is used to be.
Wait until AI melts brains down even more.
High IQ does not mean common sense
all this detail on luigi, yet the guy who shot trump is still a black hole of information. weird, huh?
reminds me of 2 towers being destroyed in a strange explosion, but 2 paper passports are found by the FBI identifying the perps, or a single bullet pristine is found on the stretcher of a dead/dying JFK in Dallas 1963.
at some point the story becomes shall we say exagerated to the point some fishing stories seem more likely than the truths we are presented from our “unbiased Media”. aka the intelligence agencies.
Gun for hire.
Hope the 19 yr old son not connected to this goofball assassin. This has Gen Z written all over it.
Gen Z is the first generation that never even had a hope of achieving the american dream.
Engineers of that age range I know of, with that resume, seem to do just fine, at present. This guy was distinctive. I think he had some grievance about his (or someone’s) back problem treatment(?), and was socially isolated. But I wouldn’t generalize that to “Gen Z.”
300k a year is the new 100k a year, and maybe 1% make that. They can afford a crap shack in San Jose.
then don’t live in san jose.
That’s where the 300k jobs are.
Two decades ago I told an auditorium full of of 20-somethings they would have a lower living standard than their parents. The uproar was amazing. The current situation comes from living beyond one’s means. Continue to do it and the result is bankruptcy. Personal and national.
GOP Rep Admits They’re Coming For Social Security, Medicare
Raising the retirement age is a massive cut in our social safety net. Rep Alford is admitting it.
About time. Frankly, I’m surprised there has not already been a means test instituted for social security. Public/private pensions funds are also in terrible shape.
There are few solutions to the current situation of unfunded obligations. Most countries have adopted means testing to ration social services, especially pensions. Logically, medical care will be next.
Today I received a letter from SS saying
1) the typical 65 year old will live to 85.
2) about one out of three 65 year olds will live to at least age 90.
3) about one out of seven 65 year olds will live to at least age 95.
The general gist of the letter is to hold off filing until 70 for the maximum benefit, at least that is how I read it.
I did nothing to attract their attention, so this out of the blue. Are they hoping the clot shot will kick in and off me before they have to pay off?
They are saying the dual action clot shot was individually pre-assigned. That’s what those longevities mean. Didn’t expect someone can decode their messages. 🙂
I retired at 58, having only paid into social security for 9 months, so I don’t qualify for benefits. Already, I’ve received 100+% of my pension payments/copayments back, and saved about 50%. Honestly, if they went away, I would not have a problem… except a contract is a contract. I was ‘forced’ to accept the ‘pension’ contract if I wanted a job. At the time, I planned to stay a year, so I didn’t ‘much care.’.
The lesson is don’t contract for things you have no control over.
You would not have a problem but a lot of other Americans would because their retirement savings are so low.
They’re going to steal from everyone that pays in.
I don’t condone murder but insurance companies need more regulations regarding coverage. I’m paying almost $1,000 per month and they are denying me to get an MRI of my shoulder. I’ve been in pain since July. I’ve had an X-Ray, been to physical therapy, etc. Insurance companies deny, deny, deny until patients give up. I don’t give up.
Shoulder pain can be protracted and debilitating. Had it in both shoulders due to my fault, overstretching while exercising. One took two years to heal, the other more, but both self-healed. Didn’t go to doctors, because didn’t trust they could do anything good.
Just my few cents.
100% I have the same thing with my hip from an injury, not age-related.
paid the same company for 30 years, no claims except for now, and !!!
I fixed my rotator with one of those electrical stimulation devices for pain. $50 off Amazon with rechargeable batteries. Got relief immediately and fully healed in 6 months after being down for a year. 1/2 hour per night. Tendons need blood supply to heal and the electrical stimulation brings the blood supply. A ex police officer friend that repaired his knee with it amazing his doctors turned me on to it.
I use regular self-massage on muscles, tendons and ligaments. Helps immensely to get the blood flowing to all areas. Stretching doesn’t do the job alone.
For reaching your back or rear shoulders, I use the Body Back Buddy.
https://www.amazon.com/Body-Back-Original-Trigger-Therapy/dp/B00PJ2VN6Y
MRI – find a place that will take cash; no insurance company paperwork. Cost will be about $300.
Heath / medical “insurance” is a protection shakedown racket.
This is a very smart comment. It is possible to negotiate politely on the price, too.
I will get approved. I’m on my 3rd appeal. Yes I’m aware of places that are cheaper for MRIs.
Are you with Kaiser? This is their standard MO.
Anyway, have you tried a cortisone shot? Will help the pain for sure.
I have Cigna. I think I have a tear and will need surgery. Only an MRI will will tell.
If the tear isn’t too large, it can heal with massage, stretching, time and a cortisone shot to reduce the pain. My left shoulder has been giving me problems for months. I’ve had two cortisone shots. It;’s almost healed now.
I got my MRI approved today. It only took 3 appeals. I’ve been having regular massages and chiropractor laser treatment. I’m open to a cortisone injection if I can avoid surgery.
I used to have Kaiser. I liked the convenience of a one stop shop for exams, referrals and tests. And how you get the lab test results in less than 24 hours.
But during the covid hysteria, my GP spent most of the time trying to get me to get the clot shot. Kaiser went into covid hysteria big time.
If you go with Kaiser, you also get their corporate treatment guidelines. And while the pharma salesmen are not hounding each doctor, you can be sure they are active at the corporate headquarters.
A large percentage of ailments can be detected with lab tests. I don’t think a doctor ever produced a diagnosis that did not confirm what I already concluded. The one exception was the need for thyroid medication which was revealed by routine lab tests.
What I am planning to do is subscribe to Functional Health and get their battery of tests and then see what my medical needs are. I think it is $500 per year.
If you’re going without insurance, getting a genetic test may be a good idea. May cost a couple hundred dollars, but be helpful if you’re self-managing your health.
call MRI facility and tell them you have no insurance and are a cash payer. Shop around. Prices vary wildly.
Call the insurance company as ask for an Independent Review of their denial decision. By law they have to grant this, and the insurance company pays for the review, not you. IRO’s typically approve about 60% of the appeal requests they receive, as they get paid either way. Technically the insurance company is not bound by the IRO’s decision, but they almost actually overrule the IRO.
We don’t want to go down this road where someone or group appoints himself judge, jury and executioner for what he perceives as wrongs. We saw that in the late 60’s and ’70s and it doesn’t lead anywhere.
We just elected such as person, and this is the example he sets.
Right! Trump is going murder all sorts of fire breathing liberals.
He tells us who should be in jail, and that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and his simps wouldn’t care. He runs his mouth in public, but just doesn’t have the stones to actually do it.
You should charge Trump rent for living in your head
Roq seems happy to have Trump as a squatter. It’s weird.
Sounds like his Chief of Staff has muzzled him (for now). He’s saying far lest stupid things off the cuff.
He looks like he’s had a stroke. Maybe he’s just off the speed.
are we talking about joe Biden?
You are looking for justification to do what exactly?
Seems odd to be so obsessed with another man.
Trump promised us that he will be our retribution, and I’m holding him to it.
Afraid to do it yourself?
says the guy happy with vigilante shooters. Do you hear yourself?
Frankly, yes we do. Until the aristocrats start feeling scared, nothing will change
Now the CEOs need bodyguards and the prices will go up, harming consumers. Demagogy in action.
By the way, it seems many leftists are pro death penalty, but without trial, judges or lawyers. 100% hipocresy
This leftist also had a “ghost gun”. And in NYC!
I don’t remember seeing his voter registration card, how are we sure of his political identity, what if he doesn’t fit in the proscribed L/R aka D/R boxes?
what if we have to think instead of react?
Was this a CIA hit job? Maybe the CEO paid to much money too to many politicians and they couldn’t have that information chanced for release. My guess is the dead guy had dirt on the wrong politician. Got Clintonisted.
Mish, your comments section looks like those of the Vox article justifying the murder.
Got a link to one that doesn’t?
If the Ceo was black, you still ok with it?
Or a transwoman? Gotta stay consistent. Either they all get murdered or you are a phony
Didn’t figure you for a DEI supporter, but, whatever.
Black, trans, polkadot… evil is evil.
I’m not you idiot. Im pointing out hypocrisy all over the place. As I do daily here
You can spend all your time pointing it out to people and it won’t make a difference. Recognize it and move on. Use the extra time you would have spent commenting and do something else.
Thanks dad
Lol. Best comment award!
It kinda was. That’s pretty witty.
Yup, the comments section of every article I have read on this subject is full of comments justifying what this guy did. Even Zerohedge articles on the subject are full of affirming/neutral comments.
I’ve seen just a few critical comments. It’s very telling of how people feel about health insurance companies.
Look for the REAL cause, not the symptom. IMHO the cause is an expectation of 100% coverage for any and all health issues regardless of premium, including getting your child’s gender switched, or halting puberty until they make up their minds. I should pay for that? Or for someone who smokes a pack a day and gets lung cancer? Or lies on a beach for 40 years, ignoring warnings about sun and skin cancer, and gets Stage 3 melanoma….
Making excuse for a health insurer is pretty low…
Probably a lobbyist.
Look at the average American and ask yourself how well they maintain their health using means under their control such as diet, exercise, getting enough sleep.
It is really pretty simple. If we had real ‘insurance’ people who do this would pay a lower premium.
Out of control costs from excess demand and inefficient supply chains, plus inflation, with people getting healthcare (illegal immigrants etc) and never contributing, complex systems…
The problem is one of human behavior, and living longer… What is missing are incentives for better health/lifestyle, and ‘punishments’ for poor lifestyle. Those are NOT excuses. They are common sense.
I agree. We who are prudent and careful and take good care of ourselves have been subsidizing self-indulgent, self-destructive, unhealthy and immoral people, through all sorts of insurance pools and various aspects of this society forever. We pay twice because we do the right thing (maintaining the disciplined, right ways of life) and also pay taxes and insurance premiums for losses quite often occasioned by losers who drain the system and demand more, and blame institutions. Yes, some of the institutions are inefficient and greedy. I see that other side of it too. But people who have sub-zero clue (and no sense of responsibility or dignity) about health, demand the impossible (or undue) from institutions to fix their lives and grievances. It’s infected our politics too. They lost their religion (often abandoned it for a fake gloss of “objective” “scientific” modernity) and took on sheer superstition, as masked (from themselves too) in silly politics and self-excusing blame games.
zh comment section is a mess.
The only surprised is being surprised at the reaction. I don’t condone murder but at the same time is willfully designing policy to prevent giving coverage not equivalent when people may die as result of delayed or denied coverage?
Read the contract. Don’t like the terms, go elsewhere. The alternative is universal coverage for ALL, paid for by the money fairy.
Not everyone is trained in the law. A contract requires a meeting of minds, otherwise it is void
The implication is that those who do NOT read and understand the contract are essentially so dumb that society needs to protect them. Irresponsible idiocy!!!
all are not equal, especially those at the top. because we possess the means and the ability to exploit others, does it make it right.
should a predatory society be strived for above all others?
the entire idea of a corporation having the same rights as a human being is the seed of the distortion that amplifies greed and hubris.
the law that codifies injustice is the seed that burns the law to the ground.
to law all blame on the injured party under the guise of “read the contract” when the contract is designed to be unreadable is really just a load of BS.
There’s a distinct difference between “justifying the murder” and simply not caring about someone who is the figurehead (and well compensated) for the literal killing of US citizens for their benefit. Oh, and bragging on using AI to intentionally deny 90% of claims that were accurate?
Afterward, the parent company said it was their obligation to stop “unnecessary” healthcare to save the country.
The claims-person who denies coverage, and the patient dies? If they were shot and killed? NOTHING!
The CEO who benefited while being investigated for insider trading?
Sorry, NO EMPATHY, and it should put other company execs on warning.
So how are limits to be imposed to control the costs of health care? Even a single payer option must have limits.
I feel sorry for kids who think their birth gender in not right for them. Some are bona fide sufferers. Most are faux sufferers, influenced by friends and media. The cost of puberty blockers for one year will run $35K +/-. AT 9 0r 10 years old, they’ll need blockers until 16, so 6-7 years. Please advise ?
As far as we know it till now, Its justified from the point of Luigi. Not from the point of greedy CEO who will say this is business to sacrifice the people who don’t read the small last lines.
Shooter is from one of the richest families in Maryland. Down with the rich…..wait a second.
The reaction is symptomatic of a welfare-dependent society.
pointing that out, along with pointing out all of the oddities of this story will be met with universal scorn and anger from those who want to see more vigilante ‘justice’.
What was he doing in PA anyway? If he were truly trying to get away, he should have been at a cabin in the remote Canadian Northern Territory or Alaska that he had already set-up before doing the deed.
It really sounds like he planned this based on playing video games.
LMAO. You ever been to the remote areas of Canada orAlaska. No cable, no internet. No Youtube… NO corner Walmarts…
That’s exactly the point!
No McDonalds!
if you wish to disappear, you hide in a crowd. not in a sparse rural population where every new comer is noted and examined and discussed daily.
Health insurance is legalized extortion. This is why a single payer system is needed. It would cut layers of burocracy and those ridiculous salaries. I have conservative values but our health system is f u b b. Medicare the single-payer system for seniors has the lowest overhead of all the insurance companies. Considering its government run that is basically a miracle. But considering all the private insurers are for profit and lining the pockets of their executives it’s no wonder their administrative costs are so high.
Vito Corleone was just getting some fruit and …
Millions of healthcare workers would be laid off if USA medical healthcare was turned to single payer. This is why it is unlikely to ever happen unless our future AI overlords “make it so”.
The idea that single payer will result in better health care outcomes is laughable. Talk to Canadians waiting 6 months to see a doctor.
It’s the same here, and you get to spend that time wondering if the insurance will pay or not.
Funny, I’ve never had a problem with insurance, or waiting.
That’s because you aren’t a real person.
The nurses like me. I entertain them with stories, song, and dance. Bring a bouquet of flowers for the front office… It’s the little things that count. And remember to tip.
Me either. Thanks Medicare!
WTF, I’m waiting months to get to my PCP, and am paying extortion prices to do so
You’re whining again and again, see? And no one likes a whiner. All the staff sees day after day are whining sick people. Privately, they wish you were dead.
Or it could turn out like South Korea, where I can see a specialist within a half hour without needing an appointment. Try doing that in the USA. No wonder South Korea ranks #3 in life expectancy while the USA ranks #55. The only two countries that have populations that live longer than South Koreas are Hong Kong and Japan, which also have single payer systems and shorter waiting times than the USA.
Call any rheumatologist in Nashville, TN and let me know if you find any with a waiting time shorter than a month (You won’t). In Korea, the wait is less than a half hour without an appointment.
Around here, the fastest way to see a specialist is with a referral from your primary physician.
Single payer will never happen because the amount of premium to be paid will be too high UNLESS it’s not automatic enrollment for everyone. You enroll voluntarily and pay the premium.
THIS IS NOT INSURANCE!
You are insuring ALL risks for the same amount. There is no incentive to reduce your risk level. Actively improve your health, exercise, diet etc.
Don’t effin’ care.
ooo, some people who work to extort money at the expense of the public’s lives might have to get another job?!!?
Who is the single payer? You’re creating a monopoly, so it has to be government run. I’m thinking a branch of the VA since they already have expertise running a health system. Good luck on that. The first thing to be decided is who does and does not get level one service. Apply it to the last four years.
Over 50? Nope?
White males? Nope. Illegal aliens, Yup.
Medicare is going broke and is not sustainable. What’s your solution?
So setting up a massive government health care bureaucracy would eliminate layers of bureaucracy created by rules and laws put in place by state and federal bureaucracies and governments? Maybe, freeing up the market to actually be incentivized to provide low-cost healthcare should be on the table rather than the government-dominated healthcare market that we have in place today.
The first useful comment. Innovate health care for the 21st century.
It’s hilarious, really. One comment that strikes at the heart of the problem, and the f*(king idiots down vote it.
I had a liberal tell me how great the USPS was on the weekend. Incredibly efficient and great service, better than UPS, etc etc etc. Last year (2023) the USPS lost $6.5 billion. UPS operating profit was $2.5 billion.
Yet UPS is getting clobbered by Amazon. The result is INNOVATE or die. WHat is needed for healthcare is MORE competition. NOT LESS
Not just that… I lived in Toledo, OH, and Promedica literally owns a bulk of the city. It’s been since 2020, but they were literally making $17,000 for every man, woman, and child in the region.
Moved to Pittsburgh, and UPMC is the same.
Time to outlaw health insurance companies because it’s just “socialism” but with grotesque profits at the citizens expense.
ie, take the gross profits out of the equation by the middle-man, and we can have health care like other first world nations
Blame OBAMAcare.
Often the largest employer in a town is either a hospital or the school system.
especially since all manufacturing was off-shored, thanks bill clinton…
Its like casino. All players lose. sometimes they win big and finally lose everything.
In insurance field, everybody lose expecting hospitalisation. Some people win big for a short period before they die. House always win.
Just enforce existing anti trust law.
The law? These are wealthy people. The law does not apply.
Just ask Hunter Biden
Exactly.
f a dozen major companies can’t solve the problem; however, another government bureaucracy can? Why not try non-profits first?
Private efficiency will always produce a lower cost health care than the government ever can, assuming there is real competition. Why not make it more competitive?
And here’s another idea. Switch the poor to the VA, and move the veterans to care in the private system–at least they earned it.
FYI, many seniors have additional private care insurance that picks up the tab before Medicare.
How does a single payer system limit health care costs? How are disputes over treatment resolved?
“A McDonald’s employee in Altoona, Pa., about 85 miles east of Pittsburgh, saw Luigi Mangione, 26, eating and called police Monday morning”
Obviously, he can claim mental instability for eating out when the case was fresh, and to a lesser degree, eating at McDonalds.
An self avowed anticapitalist who got caught on video at Starbucks and McDonald’s. He won’t be missed.
What he meant was anti-Wall Street, and FIRE. He is just a bit confused, probably educated on video games. The real pulse of the country could be judged if he set up a gofundme for legal defence.
And violating NYC (and federal) gun laws!
oh my, clutches pearls…
This is funny, really! The FBI claimed MAGA were white supremacy terrorists. Turns out to be the crazy leftists!
The far more important news today was Daniel Penny being rightfully acquitted on all charges.
The press has virtually ignored this trial and yet it’s verdict is every bit as important as the George Floyd trial or the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
Just one more bit of evidence that the collective madness that accompanied the Biden era is coming to a close with the election of Trump.
Penny an American hero treated like trash.
Very happy to see Penny acquitted.
Because Alvin Bragg was elected in NY and he is a member of a protected class, he can try anyone for anything he wants. Penny, Trump, whatever. Think about that one. Meanwhile, Derek Chauvin is still in prison. Everyone should read the transcripts of the arrest.
or the coroners report, it was an overdose death.
Will the public reward him or give him a prison sentence seems to be hotly contested argument.
Jury nullification is a thing. Voting means nothing when billionaires buy the candidates. Juries could make this sort of thing effectively legal. They have reason to in this case.
This particular CEO presided over a company that:
Was so poorly run they had a massive data breach, and saw many of its executives dump millions in stock that day.
Implemented an AI claims processor that had a 90% failure rate.
Denies 32% of the claims submitted, over double the industry average.
Had a net income last year of $20.6 billion.
That 20.6 billion, plus their operating costs and massive executive pay packages, is money that their subscribers spent on, but did not get to use for healthcare. Tens of thousands of people were denied things that UHC deemed unnecessary. Thousands of people died because of this. Remember Obama’s Death Panels? UHC is one of them.
If you are denied, you have no effective recourse. You can fight it in court, which will take years and thousands of dollars while you get sicker and sicker. You paid your premiums, and you get NOTHING, good day sir!
The media is trying to gin up sympathy for this deeply evil man, and its toadies are out in force going “tut tut” about how ‘this was a human being… a father’ and whatnot. Funny thing is, they’re the same ones with the ‘thoughts and prayers’ for the kids slaughtered in the bi-weekly school shootings.
Meanwhile law enforcement is going all out to get this guy, while thousands of other NYC murder victims warrant a shrug. Why is that? Could it be the billionaires that control the government want an example made, so they can feel safe again?
Does it suck that the CEO died? Yeah I got sympathy for every living creature, but it would suck more if he were still on the loose spreading misery and death to make a buck, and his billionaire cronies still thought themselves untouchable.
Billionaires have been using media rage bait to turn us against each other for decades. Is a guy in a dress going into the wrong bathroom really a more important issue than the ultra rich buying the government and ruling for their profit?
The general consensus, left or right, is that The Adjuster is a hero, and the CEO earned what he got. Don’t let the media tell you otherwise.
The CEO was just a small cog in the giant wheel. He has already been replaced with another clone who will continue the same policies.
However, he will cost the company more because of his bodyguard(s). That means they will have to deny paying more claims to cover the cost.
With the array of weaponry and disgruntlement across our fruited plain, I don’t think there is any effective defense. That kid that nicked trump was a dimwit, and he was inches from popping his head. Does anyone have better security than trump?
How long are people going to watch Elon operate trump like a sock puppet and do nothing about it?
We don’t want to do anything about it. Elon is a force for good.
I think we should just be able to engage in justifiable homicide for a whole host of reasons? Are you a stupid moron getting in my and walking too slow on the sidewalk? Dead. Are you taking too long to make up your dimwitted little mind about what you want to order at the local coffee shop? Dead. Are you failing to m ow your lawn to the proper size and maintain a weed free lawn from April to September? Dead. So many good, good, reasons to have people eliminated. I can hardly wait for the day when we can all engage in our own petty little grievance killings that will make life better for everyone.
According to the WSJ, UNH’s rejection rate was 8%, the industry average. Should every and all claims be approved? Your ranting about billionaires echoes Bernie Sanders. It’s nonsense regardless of who says it.
Bernie is the only democrat that makes any sense.
Bernie is an Independent. Lol.
Independent in Name Only.
MY socialist has THREE houses. How many houses does YOUR socialist have?
bernie is a paid off coward. it’s embarrassing anyone is carrying water for that grifter.
“Had a net income last year of $20.6 billion.”
A snippet of their financials are on the United HealthGroup website.
OPERATING income for 2023 was $16.4 billion, not $20.6 billion. That’s before provisioning for taxes. Net income would be lower.
Their OPERATING profit margins were 5.8%. That is not excessive. Net margins would be even lower.
The $16.4 billion may sound like a lot of money but it is merely a matter of scale. Same as with Walmart.
People want to socialize medical costs but no one is going to manage that for free. With government the cost is just not as obvious.
Insurance drives up costs. I have personal experience with it. I have had numerous eye issues, including retinal detachments and I have uveitic glaucoma. I now have Baerveldt tube shunt implants in both eyes and have had a number of outpatient facility procedures related to them.
I paid personally for all of them. One time the outpatient clinic billed me inadvertently. I had paid them $3,000 or so and they sent me a bill totaling $11,000+ that said I owed over $8k. I called and they said “oh, your insurance hasn’t paid yet.” I explained that I was self-pay and they told me I should not have received the bill and to ignore it.
But that provided an insight as to what happens with and w/o insurance. I paid $3,000, but with insurance they would bill over $11,000. The insurance company would likely not pay all of that but the cost with insurance is clearly higher.
The massive executive pay packages are a drop in the bucket in terms of operating costs. Even more so since the majority of compensation tends to be non-cash (stock/options). That comes out of the shareholder’s hides, not the workers or customers. Thompson’s 2023 compensation was $10.6 million. The government’s tax take of their $16 billion operating profit exceeds that by multiple orders of magnitude.
Very insightful. Mass media delight in false reporting for political gain–how to make little socialists for the Democrap Party.
Most medical providers have contracted prices with the insurance companies. They are billed at the going rate, and reduced to the contract rate, leaving the patient with the remainder, or an a prior-agreed fixed charge for service (copay of $25 etc).
Why are the prices so inflated?
Partly, it’s the dumb-assed system, but also to cover the non payers. The Emergency rooms are full of them, since hospitals cannot turn away people. Ergo, you get billed more to cover them. One solution would be to develop a 24-hr community clinic concept (fast DOC) –with truly needy patients being redirected to the ER.
Here’s all I’m going to say about this, if you pay for coverage, you get covered. Insurance companies like United HC are essentially robbing/fleecing their customer by taking their money and then denying them coverage or in my case, conveniently not covering me for 6 months because of a “system glitch” on their end, even though we had been paying them for 6 months. Yeah, 6 months all I got out of them in every 1-2 hour phone call was “We’re escalating it”. This was around 10 years ago and we haven’t used them since.
This is why health care companies in general should not be allowed to be for-profit, publicly traded companies. It isn’t just UnitedHealthcare that’s guilty of this. It is also the others. The same should apply to home, auto and literally any other insurance company. I am tired of seeing state farm commercials paying athletes who earn tens of millions of dollar, schlepping for home and auto loans.
T.R.Reid, author of ‘The Healing of America’, interviewed on NPR in 2009, told that – Switzerland had a problem -> uninsured population to 5%. Uproar and Switzerland made a stronger #3 (strict regulation/govt. organization of the insurers and the industry), and made the insurance industry non-profit.
To note that converting an industry to “non-profit” doesn’t make the dollar-signs go away, and shouldn’t. At some point there is a limit to what can be done to help a patient and how much can be spent on it.
We should perhaps consult ‘Small is Beautiful’, and ask whether we gain benefit shifting from small insurers to big insurers that have big investors and high paid executives. Mr. George Bailey vs. Mr. Henry Potter (a caricature in the film).
For once we are in agreement.
Is there anything preventing non-profit insurance companies from coming into being? If what you are saying is true and that non-profits can fill an obvious market need then people will flock to the non-profits if they are allowed to do so. So why aren’t they?
Lack of profit?
Nonprofit insurance companies exist. Kaiser Permanente is non-profit and its model is spreading to multiple states as they buy up coops and similar companies in places like Pennsylvania and Washington. No system is perfect but we could at least start with one that isn’t for profit.
So to answer your question they are. In some states non-profit insurance companies have been banned by the state insurance commission which gets lobbied by the for profit insurance industry.
So in the end, in the states where this can’t exist, I am guessing people like you don’t even know that non-profit insurance companies or other similar non-profits cannot even compete because they aren’t allowed to exist.
LMAO. You write: “buy up coops and similar companies in places like Pennsylvania and Washington...”
Your precious example of a NON-PROFIT is eliminating its competition. Go figure.
Non-profits are THE SCAM!!!!
Non-profits own Toledo, OH where I lived for a long time.
UPMC in Pittsburgh (largest employer in PA) is a non-profit, and own way too much
Yes. It is a question of which scam is the best for everyone. I’d pick a non-profit medical institution over a for-profit one. One system tried to tell my dad he needed open heart surgery at 82. We got a second opinion on a newer procedure that wasn’t open heart and allowed the cardiologists to fix my dad’s heart issues via newer procedures from a research-based facility. Outcomes are better and cost is cheaper. Even the insurance company was shocked that could happen to someone at 82 years old. They said most heart patients in their 80s cost them the most.
FYI. The biggest scam going are religions. They are non-profit, pay little to no taxes and allow investment funds to be setup as tax shelters. Invest long enough and all profits are tax free. Religions are some of the richest institutions on earth.
Profit or non-profit is largely irrelevant. Same with religious hospitals. You get cheaper healthcare when 82 year-old parents die. I’m not unsympathetic–you love them dearly, but at 82? And people wonder why healthcare costs so much.
Do people have any idea how much extra it costs to operate on a grossly overweight person compared to someone in good physical health? Massive amounts of adipose tissue greatly complicates the surgery.
when you say patient, do you mean, “Billable Event” ?
The hospitals were earlier all owned by churches
Go to your local state court. File as plaintiff for damages for breach of contract. Their lawyers will respond. If you have a record of phone calls etc they’ll likely jump. Why do this? Because they know if it goes to a jury, people hate them with a passion. Hence they;ll settle asap.
Innocent!
He won’t be the last.
Go for it.
Ivy league educated. Filled with hate. Many such cases.
Them boots taste like lollipops?
Last two Trump assassins, now this guy. The violent left is a scourge. Yet if this is what they want, they will have trouble as those on the right are prepared.
Licky licky….
You just prove the point of hate and violence. You are probably just the poster who got thrown off here and made up a new name. Be the martyr you deserve.
Encouraging murder suicide? Hateful.
Yet they want firearms outlawed!
only for civilians, the government gets as many as they want. its a one sided game. Thomas Jefferson knew that.
You should know
Not a professional hit job. Just a guy with a so-called grudge.
Yup. Didn’t even bother to ditch any of the evidence. I mean what semi-sane person would carry around all the incriminating evidence used in making a hit?
Makes me wonder if he’s going to cop an insanity plea and come off as a Unabomber type.
Probably looking at his trial as a means to promote the message and gain victim credibility.
Fox News hosts Sandra Smith and Jeanine Pirro criticized Republican state Delegate Nino Mangione of Maryland after his cousin, Luigi Mangione, was arrested for the murder of CEO executive Brian Thompson.
“Another twist in this story, this just into our newsroom, the suspect’s cousin is a Maryland State Delegate,” Smith reported Monday. “So this is now being confirmed, the suspect’s cousin is a Maryland State Delegate, Antonio D. Mangione, goes by Nino.”
“How was it possible there wasn’t anyone, anywhere in the country who was saying, that person’s in my family, I know that guy?” she said.
Because he’s a hero. They call him The Adjuster.
The man saw who the real enemy is, ditched the culture war, and acted.
Disgusting.
Heroes don’t shoot unarmed victims in the back.
Says the coward from behind his keyboard
People are not REQUIRED to turn someone in.
Anglo germanic type Americans have curious priorities when it comes to family vs society or government. Being of southern European extraction myself…you simply don’t flip on family like that.
While many folks can obviously understand the anger towards folks that hold these higher up positions and make these decisions. But sorry. Shooting the guy in the back and killing him does not make you a savior. It makes you a murderer. Have fun in prison. Don’t drop the soap.
I’m guessing he’s either terminal and denied treatment, or someone important to him died from lack of treatment, denied by UHC.
This is beginning to sound like the movie, The Rainmaker
He will be a hero in prison.
Doubtful. He didn’t take down someone who was universally vilified like say Epstein. He just took down a CEO that 99.99% of America had never heard of.
I saw he’s read a lot of the Unabombers manifesto. He’s probably as far gone as Ted was when he was arrested. He’ll be shunned as a nutcase.
Ted was a brilliant 15 year old calculus student at Evergreen Park High School just south of Chicago. Made the mistake of going to Harvard and was put on LSD in MK Ultra by CIA. It was never about what he did, it was about what he wrote. Probably would have benefited by a taking a vocational shop class, though.
You overestimate how many prison inmates will defend the honor of a health insurance CEO.
Lol. He’ll be somebody’s girlfriend.
Disgusting
And accurate
He might just be at that.
By “hero” do you means somebody’s prison b!tch?
Please quell your homoerotic fantasies.
He’ll be out in 10 years. Maybe Trump will pardon him?
I doubt it. They will throw the book at this guy to make an example of him – he’ll be lucky if he doesn’t get life in prison.
He touched an untouchable.