The GOP’s 2025 Budget Reconciliation Fight, Go Small or Big Bang?

Republicans have two shots at budget reconciliation bills in 2025. What should those bills include?

The problem for Republicans is primarily the House, not the Senate.

Republicans have a 220-215 edge but Gaetz resigned and two reps have been nominated by Trump for appointments.

Until there are special elections for replacement (two in Florida and one in New York) Republicans will have the slimmest of slim majorities, 217-215.

Since there is no House tiebreakers, Republicans would not be able to lose a single vote.

The GOP’s 2025 Reconciliation Fight

The Wall Street Journal discusses the setup in The GOP’s 2025 Reconciliation Fight

Republicans seem to like circular firing squads, so the nonsurprise of 2024 is that they are already brawling over their strategy for governing when they control Congress and the White House next year. GOP Senators are offering the smarter way to go.

Republicans will be in the fortunate position next year of having two bites at “budget reconciliation,” which under Senate rules lets them pass bills with 51 votes. That’s how Senate Democrats passed the $1.9 trillion spending blowout in March 2021 and the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022 on party-line votes.

Soon-to-be Senate Majority Leader John Thune wants to jump-start the Donald Trump Presidency by using the first reconciliation to pass the GOP’s top priorities—money for border security, increasing energy production and defense. The goal would be to pass this by early February. This would reserve the much tougher puzzle of tax reform for the second reconciliation bill later in 2025.

But some House members, led by Ways and Means Chairman Jason Smith, are criticizing this order of legislative battle. They want to write a tax bill first, or perhaps even stuff the first bill with everything—border security, energy, defense, and a rewrite of the 2017 tax reform. CNN reports that Mr. Smith said prior Congresses have failed to pass more than one reconciliation bill in a single year, and “why would we think in a (220-215) majority . . . that we would over perform?”

Understanding Reconciliation

The key advantage of the reconciliation process is that it avoids a filibuster in the Senate.

There can be two reconciliation bills in a year, one for the current fiscal year, and one for the next.

Here are Budget Reconciliation Basics.

Limitations of Reconciliation in the Senate – The Byrd Rule

Named for Senator Robert Byrd, the Byrd rule (Section 313 of the Congressional Budget Act) was first adopted in the mid-1980s to limit extraneous provisions from inclusion in reconciliation bills. Because reconciliation bills are considered using expedited procedures in the Senate, the Byrd rule is aimed at preventing the use of reconciliation to move a legislative agenda unrelated to spending or taxes, and to some extent it limits Congress’ ability to use reconciliation to increase deficits – at least over the long-term. The Byrd rule prohibits the inclusion of “extraneous” measures in reconciliation, defining “extraneous” as follows:

  • measures with no budgetary effect (i.e., no change in outlays or revenues);
  • measures that worsen the deficit when a committee has not achieved its reconciliation target;
  • measures outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision;
  • measures that produce a budgetary effect that is merely incidental to the non-budgetary policy change;
  • measures that increase deficits for any fiscal year outside the reconciliation window; and measures that recommend changes in Social

Any Senator may raise a point of order against an extraneous provision in the reconciliation bill, amendments, or the conference agreement. The Senate Parliamentarian decides whether there is a Byrd rule violation, and provisions struck through a Byrd rule point of order cannot be offered later as amendments. However, Byrd rule points of order can be waived by a vote of 60 Senators.

In addition to reconciliation-specific points of order, reconciliation bills are subject to other Senate points of order, like the Senate PAYGO rule, that apply to all legislation.

Divide and Conquer

Thune has the right idea.

Trying to lump everything in a single bill would add delays and bickering. For example, some will want to restore state and local tax deductions and some won’t. Deciding how to pay for that would create a mess.

The more you try to accomplish in one shot, the more likely you lose votes over something.

Also expiring provisions of the 2017 reform last through 2025 so there is no hurry.

I suggest going for a complete border package. That might be a Byrd rule violation, but if you can get 7 Democrats on board, the Byrd rule can be overridden. Otherwise, just stick with strictly budget items.

A Tiny Republican Majority

For more on the legislative issues facing Republicans, please see A Tiny Republican Majority in the House Will Make Legislation Difficult

Republicans will not be able to pass much of anything if Trump tries to deliver his campaign promises like no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, and no tax on overtime.

On Meet the Press, Trump Said He “Wants the Illegal Dreamers to Stay”

Yesterday, I commented On Meet the Press, Trump Said He “Wants the Illegal Dreamers to Stay”

Trump’s interview on Meet the Press sounds exactly like the deportation strategy I proposed.

There is an easy deal to be had. Trump gets more money for a wall, more money for border agents, more money for ICE, in return for amnesty for dreamers.

And the gun Trump holds is a credible threat to start deporting everyone.

Then with one bipartisan bill in the bank that also includes all the budget items that will easily clear the House, tackle the tax code next.

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Laura
Laura
1 year ago

Trump can get the budget down by ordering his cabinet members that are head of departments to require all employees to work in the office 5 days per week. Currently only 6% work in the office. Many will quit so they won’t get severance. He can sign an executive order for the border stating national security. He probably won’t get a deal on taxes.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago

Fani Willis found in default by a court of law and McConnell falls during lunch. All good news today.

Blacklisted
Blacklisted
1 year ago

The establishment will slow drag anything that improves the economy and ride the rising unemployment into the midterms, blaming Trump every step of the way for what the Bidenistas have done over the last 4 years.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago

Perhaps Governor Trudeau will welcome the Dreamers into our newest northern state of Canada? LOL

Xandir
Xandir
1 year ago
Reply to  Bayleaf

I think the Canadians have their fill of immigrants already.

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago
Reply to  Xandir

Never too many

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago
Reply to  Midnight

Isn’t that their motto?

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago

I don’t think the democrats want to give the Dreamers (or anyone else) amnesty. It would mean giving up their carrot. It would also show Trump can work with democrats to get things done as promised. That’s two reasons why I believe democrats will try to sabotage such a deal.

Dark Artist
Dark Artist
1 year ago

The Blue Dogs of the Democratic Party still have some fiscal sense, and may break party ranks to vote for Republican-sponsored bills that don’t shock the senses TOO much. Their fiscal conservatism, leeriness with excessive spending, and marginalization in their own party should provide the wedge the conservatives need to get their way.

If Trump can occasionally be a conciliatory president, he may be able to shepherd in a moderately bipartisan era. It’s not unheard-of. Trump is a true deal-maker, he wants to go along to get along, as long as it doesn’t violate his core beliefs. He’s not going to sacrifice the Rust Belt to be friends with business, for example, but if business wants to drill oil, he’s all in. (“Drill, baby, drill.”)

Even though the Democrats are supposedly the more heartfelt party, they don’t seem to care much for the economic future the U.S. is headed for with all its debts. The takeoff year was 2009, under a Democratic president, when deficits ballooned. Since then the taps have been turned all the way to the right and there’s been no turning back.

You can read more of my writings by going to: dark . sport. blog … on the net.

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago
Reply to  Dark Artist

Deficits are bipartisan. Everything must be cut including SS

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago

Didn’t hear a lot from the left about gun control when the CEO was killed. What a shock

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  Midnight

Traumatized and off topic. You’re really spun about this aren’t you? Take it to the other thread.

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

Eat a bag of dicks

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  Midnight

So full of hate.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  Midnight

Wow, Mish, I know you want traffic to this site, but come on…

Occasionally, you tell us that you write to a major publication or you ask a known national figure for their take, but you won’t ever be taken seriously by any of those people if your comments section is full of this stuff

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago

Give me a break. Its clear half of you are the same person on here.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago
Reply to  Midnight

Don’t sweat it, I’m sure your posts are appreciated. It’s what attracts the two (one?) above to post here. Because even the morons get tired of their echo chambers on sites like Fakebook.

And if it’s not appreciated, well then it’s their loss.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

Midnight points out hypocrisy from the Democratic Hypocrisy party, and you have a problem with it?

TEF
TEF
1 year ago

After annual 2020 to 2024 US 14.7% to 7.5% deficit-to-GDP governmental spending, eking out mere 2-3 percent GDP annual gains in growth, the global asset-debt macroeconomy is undergoing a ‘natural’ major recession. The recognition for the need for countercyclical spending in such a recession is dead in this US congressional house mix. This will be a disastrous Hoover-like administration response – as America’s leadership in NATO and two-continent support of the US dollar is also dead.

Voodoo Economics
Voodoo Economics
1 year ago

2025 is the year the US debt and deficit become truly unsustainable. We are going to have our PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain and Greece) moment. I guess add France and the UK to that.

Avery2
Avery2
1 year ago

Disclaimer -no pet cats or dogs were killed.

Haiti Gangs Kill More Than 180 Mostly Elderly People in Capital
Warlord ordered slaying of slum residents he suspected of sickening his son through witchcraft, say the U.N. and rights groups Members of the gang surrounded the neighborhood, then proceeded to search the shacks for people over 60 years old, who were then hacked with machetes, slashed with knives and shot with guns. The victims included some younger people who tried to defend the gang’s elderly targets. Bodies were dragged into the streets where they were mutilated and torched, filling the neighborhood with a foul stench of death.

Richard S.
Richard S.
1 year ago
Reply to  Avery2

Diversity is our strength.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Avery2

Why people down vote this (non-opinionated) comment is very telling about their ability to think critically. .

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago

Largest deficit in US history coming…

Anon2017
Anon2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

Should that surprise anyone?

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon2017

It might surprise you liberals if the opposite happened. Well then again, maybe it wouldn’t surprise you.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
1 year ago

Donald Trump Controls a Publicly Traded Company. Now He Will Pick Its Regulator.https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-media-truth-social-sec-securities-exchange-commission

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago

Of the 17 he’s nominated for positions, 14 are billionaires, and several are felons.

I predict pork and tax cuts for the wealthy.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

LOL

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

It would make more sense to appoint Jake Sullivan to DNI?

notaname
notaname
1 year ago

Will DOGE be implemented via regular rules? (not reconciliation)

Or are DOGE boys the true dreamers that congress will never allow?

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  notaname

It’s composed of a guy whacked out of his gourd on ketamine, a creepy little dwarf, and Cro-Magnon barbie. Doge is the kids table… which is why Elon is glued to trump instead of interacting with his Doge partners.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago

Amnesty for Dreamers is a Bridge too far.
If he goes there it undermines a Tough stance on all the others here illegally.
No consequences for some just, what “because”?
No review of the circumstances or what they have done while here. That is what amnesty will produce.

Better Argument is for a Grace period for Dreamers to come out of hiding and show you want to be a US Citizen. Make your case by conforming within existing US immigration Law.
Fast track it, but comply with US Law same as any other citizen of US must do.

Make your statement be, I wish to be a part of mainstream US citizens life which includes abiding by its’ Laws. My days of living as a Law breaker are over.

Flavia
Flavia
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

They aren’t law breakers. They were brought here as children.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Flavia

They are still living here in the shadows or this would not be an issue.
They are not citizens according to immigration Law of this country.
Trump represents a break from the past of wishy washy Washington DC Swamp.

They can be given ample opportunity to be a Citizen of this country and can start with making a commitment to the country they claim is where they want to be.
That commitment should be same as anyone else who wants to immigrate to US Soil.

Laura
Laura
1 year ago
Reply to  Flavia

Regardless of how they got here (ie parents brought them) they are NOT here legally. They are ILLEGALS

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

He lied to everyone. Thousands of lies now. Everyone pointed that out, but people still followed him like Moses.

Now it’s time to reap what was sown. Stocking up on popcorn for the coming debacle.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

There is a real world. People with a sense of discernment can observe what is said and what is intention.
Trump has not wavered one iota from intention.
Intention precedes action.

He is already acting as President. Meeting dignitaries, making moves to unravel Biden failures. Heads of other nations realize Biden is a figurehead without portfolio.

This when not even seated in Oval office as of yet

That he will now back down from his stance about dealing with Immigration in a Just manner is absurd.

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

He knows full well he can’t pull this off, ant that people like you will spin, shift blame, and make excuses for his many failures. It’s obvious to all trump is the oligarchy, but many pretend otherwise.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Roquefort

Go play in your sandbox.
Make an attempt to explain to the people reading these blogs how dumb as a rock Harris was the better choice.

Xandir
Xandir
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

Harris is over. This is going on now.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 year ago

I searched polymarket for betting odds on when republican in-fighting would start but couldn’t find anything. With Trump/GOP 100% control of all three branches of government in 40 days I fully expect to be taken to the promised land of peace, milk and honey. Anything less will be 100% failure.

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Exposing the secret files at the CDC will be a big win. Steve Kirsch said he has 300 pages of evidence from a CDC insider, apparently relating to autism.

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ

Lets have a look at that Epstein list as well.

Avery2
Avery2
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Bring back Eddie Munster as Speaker. He has a secret budget plan in the closet.

Roquefort
Roquefort
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

The Golden Age Begins … ignore the backpedaling of the trump simps. We have his word!

Jon
Jon
1 year ago

Biden’s border package did all the things (except build a wall) that Mish mentions. That’s an easy win and Trump can claim credit. If they want more to subsidize the DOD and oil companies, it would be nice if they would raise taxes to offset the added expense. But there are no real conservatives in Congress.

glory
glory
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon

Biden’s border package? You mean the one that democrats claim Trump killed? That bill had little to do with border security and everything to do with mass amnesty. That bill would codify “catch and release” which is not something Republicans would agree to. It also provided free lawyers to immigrants. It also allowed the president the discretion to wave any of the provision in the bill. There is so much wrong in that bill. No way.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

I agree with Mish and Thune: the border enchilada now, a tax bill later.

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