A Better Definition of Money and Lacy Hunt’s Thoughts on When a Recession Will Start

How Do We Count Money?

Milton Friedman postulated that MV = PT, where M is money supply, V is velocity, an PT is Price multiplied by Transactions (or GDP). 

Mathematical transposition says V = GGP / Money. 

This leads to the question: What is Money? Friedman thought it was M1 (essentially checking accounts but other mostly meaningless items). 

Greenspan put a kibosh to that idea when he allowed banks to “sweep” money nightly from checking accounts to savings accounts. This distorted both M1 and M2. 

Most economists use M2 as their measure of money.

What About Velocity?

Friedman made an error in his equation. 

He assumed velocity was constant or at least relatively stable. Velocity is neither constant nor stable but it was relatively stable when he wrote MV = PT.

Some suggest Velocity is Milton Friedman’s Waterloo Battle.

Hoisington Management Fourth Quarter Review

Lacy Hunt frequently comments on velocity and does so again in his latest review. 

Please consider the Hoisington Management Quarterly Review and Outlook Fourth Quarter 2022.

Other Deposit Liabilities

Lacy proposes using Other Deposit Liabilities (ODL) as a better measure of money.

The main difference between ODL and M2 is that ODL does not include currency or retail money market funds. 

Currency is accepted at an increasingly fewer number of business establishments and simply cannot be used for very large sized transactions. Retail money market funds never became an important medium of exchange. Both are becoming a far less used medium of exchange.

ODL has the additional advantage that it is the main source of funding for bank loans and investments, making ODL both a monetary and credit aggregate. Friedman would not be surprised that the need to change the best definition of what constitutes money would change over the years. 

Friedman’s Theory of Money and Inflation

Although Friedman’s monetary theory of inflation has justifiably drawn criticism, major components of his theory of interest rate cycles remain intact and the so-called flawed aspect can be overcome by converting money velocity (V) to an endogenous variable rather than assuming that V is stable. Once restated, the model applies very directly to the current interest rate outlook and suggests that even though the Fed is planning further increases in the federal funds rate in 2023, the direction of long-term U.S. Treasury rates is downward. In this letter, we will modify Friedman’s theory to incorporate an endogenous V and then apply the new model to the situation at hand as well as to the tumultuous events of the past three years. The determinants of velocity to be identified serve to reinforce the view that the U.S. Treasury bond market’s prospects are favorable even though conditions are very likely to remain volatile.

During Friedman’s career he first argued that M1 was the superior money measure then M2 and late in life he experimented with other definitions on the assumption that the velocity problem could be solved if money could be properly quantified.  

Velocity is affected by cyclical, fundamental and idiosyncratic forces. While all are constantly at work, the evidence shows that two fundamental forces – the marginal revenue product of debt and the commercial bank loan to deposit ratio – are dominant over time.  

ODL growth is estimated to have declined at a record 7.9% annual rate in the fourth quarter, following decreases at 2.7% and 1% annual rates in the prior two quarters. From the last quarter of 2021 to the same quarter in 2022, nominal ODL is estimated to have declined at record 2.8% annual rate, the largest yearly drop in history. In real terms, ODL also contracted at a record pace. Based upon the Fed’s monthly $96 billion balance sheet reduction and the monetary policy lags, the rate of ODL decline will accelerate in at least the first half of 2023. If the Fed sticks with its plan to raise the Federal Funds rate another 75 basis points, the rate of decrease in ODL will be sufficient to neutralize the money mountain of 2020/21 by the second quarter of 2023, when taking velocity into consideration.

Lacy’s Final Thoughts

The rise in velocity in 2022 is a stark example that V is determined by the actions of the private sector, not the Fed. This is the essential aspect of an endogenous variable.

If velocity had been stable in 2022, the Fed would very likely have come much closer to restoring their goal of a 2% rate of increase in core inflation. But the inability of the Fed to achieve their target quickly does not mean that they will be denied success. The planned actions are moving the Fed closer to realizing their inflation objective.

The risks of recession will become much clearer as 2023 progresses. Headline inflation will recede further from the 1.9% pace in the CPI of the latest six months. These developments are aligned with interest rate cycle theory as well as the case for lower U.S. Treasury bond yields.  

Typo in the Hoisington Article

In the third quarter of 2022, all the growth in real GDP was accounted for by a reduction in net exports. This contributed to the sharp rise in third quarter ODL velocity.  

I called Lacy and asked if he meant to say “reduction in net imports”. He laughed and said of the dozens of people who emailed him, no one else caught the error.

His original statement was along the lines of a “reduction in the net trade deficit” but somewhere along the way an editor removed the word “deficit”. 

Recession Starts When?

Lacy to Me: When do you think recession started?

Mish: November or December.

Lacy: I think it started in November.

Mish: Can I quote you?

Lacy: OK Go ahead. 

Bear in mind that I thought a recession started in May, but incoming data proved me wrong. 

I never subscribed to the notion of a first quarter recession based on two consecutive quarters of declining GDP because Real Final Sales were positive for Q1 and Q2. 

There was a negative turn in real retail sales in May but it did not stick. 

The Final GDPNow Forecast for 2022 Q4, What Does It Say About Recession?

GDPNow data from the Atlanta Fed, Chart by Mish. 

For discussion, please see The Final GDPNow Forecast for 2022 Q4, What Does It Say About Recession?

Lacy was not deterred by the Atlanta Fed forecast and neither was I. 

Right now, the primary strength left in the economy is a reduction in consumer demand for goods. That reduction in demand reduced the trade deficit and thus added to GDP.

Some cite jobs as a strength but Lacy noted the declining work week. I caught that too.

Average Work Week Has Peaked and Total Aggregate Hours Is Rolling Over

Data from BLS, chart by Mish 

The blue line is the average hours worked for all private workers. The red line is average weekly hours of production and nonsupervisory workers.

On January 11, I commented the Average Work Week Has Peaked and Total Aggregate Hours Is Rolling Over

Industrial Production

Lacy and I also discussed Industrial Production. 

On January 18, I reported Signs Say Industrial Production Has Peaked and so a Recession is Imminent

Q&A IP and Recessions

Q: Why is IP signaling recession?
A: Because peaks in industrial production coincide with recessions.

Recession lead times vs industrial production tend to be very small, typically 1-2 months. 2001 and 2020 were notable exceptions.

NBER Recession Criteria

Neither Lacy nor I gets to call recessions. That task goes to the NBER. The NBER Q&A lists recession criteria. 

Q: What indicators does the committee use to determine peak and trough dates?

A: The determination of the months of peaks and troughs is based on a range of monthly measures of aggregate real economic activity published by the federal statistical agencies. These include real personal income less transfers (PILT), nonfarm payroll employment, real personal consumption expenditures, wholesale-retail sales adjusted for price changes, employment as measured by the household survey, and industrial production. There is no fixed rule about what measures contribute information to the process or how they are weighted in our decisions.

The only known positive (assuming you believe the data) is nonfarm payroll employment. 

Real Disposable Personal Income Less Transfers is positive through November. But the BEA revised income lower earlier this year attributing to the recent bounce. 

I expect more negative revisions to income. I also expect negative revisions to the payroll survey.

Industrial production appears to have peaked, real retail sales are declining, full time employment has been falling, and there is a huge discrepancy between the household and payroll surveys. 

At economic turns there are lots of revisions. Heading into recessions, those revisions rate to be very negative. 

True Contrarian View

Lacy mentioned that he recently gave a speech regarding recession timing. A key point he made went something like this. “People tell me a recession won’t start in 2023 because everyone expects one. I disagree.”

I replied, “A recession won’t start in 2023 because it’s already started. That’s the true contrarian position.” 

Lacy laughed, saying “well stated”. 

As noted above, neither Lacy nor I gets to decide when recessions start or end so we will have to wait and see.

Sure Is a Strange Non-Recession

Cast of Characters

  • Mad Hatter: Jerome Powell, Fed Chair
  • Red Queen: Janet Yellen, Treasury Secretary
  • March Hare: John Kerry, U.S. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate
  • Humpty Dumpty: President Biden
  • Alice: You decide 

In case you missed it, please see Alice Debates the Mad Hatter and the Red Queen on Timing the Recession

I go over jobs, industrial production, inflation and other indicators (including a swipe at climate change) in a humorous way. 

Please give it a look.

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buckfina
buckfina
2 years ago
I’m not sure I agree w/ Lacy that ODL is a better measure of money. The $2.5T in the reverse repo facility is counted in M2 because they originated as MMF deposits, which are part of M2 but not part of ODL. If/when that facility draws down, those funds will revert back into ODL to the extent they are withdrawn from MMF and become part of the ODL aggregates, which is likely what they will do. So, to me, to exclude those MMF funds which are parking excess liquidity does not make sense to do in measuring the supply of “money.” I would also suggest that the noise regarding the recent significant % decrease in M2 is overdone because of the fact that the ON RRP still parks $2.5T daily.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Hunt: “the so-called flawed aspect can be overcome by converting money velocity (V) to an endogenous variable rather than assuming that V is stable.”
I’m not an economist but this is wrong. I don’t even like economics. But life forces you to learn some things you don’t want to. Vi at various intervals, moved in absolute divergent paths
from Vt – giving the income velocity economists false signposts.

The catallactic approach is more like: As Dr. Philip George
pointed out: “Changes in velocity have nothing to do with the speed at
which money moves from hand to hand but are entirely the result of movements
between demand deposits and other kinds of deposits.”

The Federal Reserve definitions of the money stock include
numerous items over which the Fed has little or no control (e.g., M2),
including many the Fed need not and should not control (currency). The
definitions also assume there are numerous degrees of “moneyness”, thus
confusing liquidity with money.

The definitions also ignore the fact that some liquid assets
(non-M1 components/ time deposits) have a direct one-to-one, relationship to
the volume of demand deposits (total checkable deposits, demand deposits),
while others affect only the velocity of DDs. The former requires direct
regulation; the latter simply is important data (on velocity), for the Fed to
use in regulating the money supply and thus aggregate monetary purchasing
power, AD.

See: “TOWARD A MORE MEANINGFUL STATISTICAL CONCEPT OF THE
MONEY SUPPLY” by Leland J. Pritchard March 1954 (Ph.D., Economics – Chicago
1933, M.S. Statistics – Syracuse)

No money stock figure standing alone is adequate as a guide
post for monetary policy. Aggregate demand, AD = M*Vt and not N-gDp as the
Keynesian economists define it.

Example: In 1978 (when Vt rose, but Vi fell) all economist’s
forecasts for inflation were drastically wrong.

Put into perspective: There were 27 price forecasts by
individuals & 9 by econometric models for the year 1978 (Business Week).
The lowest (Gary Schilling, White Weld), the highest, (Freund, NY, Stock Exch)
& (Sprinkel, Harris Trust & Sav.).

The range CPI, 4.9 – 6.5 percent. For the Econometric
models, low (Wharton, U. of Penn) 5.7%; high, 6.6% U. of Ga.). For 1978
inflation based upon the CPI figure was 9.018% [and Leland Prichard, in his
Money and Banking class, predicted 9%].

See: G.6 Debits and Deposit Turnover at Commercial Banks. When the g.6 release was discontinued in Sept. 1996 due to Clinton’s Paperwork Reduction act, it was then the longest running time series at the FED.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Hunt needs schooling. Link: George Garvey:

Deposit Velocity and Its Significance
(stlouisfed.org)

“Obviously, velocity of total deposits, including
time deposits, is considerably lower than that computed for demand deposits
alone. The precise difference between the two sets of ratios would depend on
the relative share of time deposits in the total as well as on the respective
turnover rates of the two types of deposits.”

And Friedman’s license plate read M*Vi = P*Q. Friedman was one dimensionally confused. The transactions concept of money velocity, Vt (not Vi), is
the rapidity at which money is being spent in the economy (money physically
exchanging counterparties).

Whereas income velocity, Vi, is endogenously and
artificially contrived (N-gDp divided by M) whereas Vt, is an “independent” or
exogenous force (having “both magnitude and direction, making it a vector
quantity”), acting on prices.

What is being compared is the rate of change (ratio of the
absolute change relative to, divided by, the initial amount) in money flows,
not absolutes (difference between initial and final figures), or the relative
change sensitive to the denominator, and not the absolute change. A large
absolute change may not necessarily have a large relative change, and vice
versa. Thus, even if intermediate goods and used goods are exchanged, the
relative change in gDp is highly correlated.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
The transactions concept of money velocity is where (M)
equals the volume of means-of-payment money; (Vt), the transactions rate of
turnover of this money; (T), the volume of transactions units; & (P), the
average price of all transactions units.
As statistics on P &T are unavailable, it is
impossible to calculate P & T in the equation. Nevertheless, the equation is a truism: to
sell 100 bushels of wheat (T) at $4 a bushel (P) requires the exchange of $400
(M) once, or $200 (Vt) twice, etc. Or a
dollar bill which turns over 5 times can do the same “work” as one five dollar
bill that turns over only once.

To the Keynesians, aggregate monetary demand is
nominal-GDP, the demand for services (human) and final goods. This concept
excludes the commonsense conclusion that the inflation process begins at the
beginning (with raw material prices and processing costs at all stages of
production) and continues through to the end.

Admittedly the data for Vt are flawed. So are nearly
all economic statistics, but that does not preclude us from using them. An
educated estimate is better than no estimate at all.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
re: “is the main source of funding for bank loans and investments,”
Economists will never understand how the system actually works. Commercial banks don’t stand between savers and borrowers,
transmitting to worthy borrowers the savings of the bank’s customers.

R. Alton Gilbert (who wrote – “Requiem for Regulation Q:
What It Did and Why It Passed Away”), in his letter back to me on December 11,
1978:

“Such savings are invested in many ways, including deposits
at commercial banks.”

The differentiating question ostensibly illustrating the
pseudo economic reasoning is: How is the growth of bank held savings explained
in the consolidated balance sheet of the Federal Reserve System?

The answer is that it cannot be explained – because monetary
savings, from the standpoint of the banking system, is a function of the
velocity or rate of turnover of deposits, it is not a function of volume.

The growth of bank held savings thus results in no
alteration in the “footings” of the consolidated balance sheet.
Interest-bearing deposit growth signifies a transfer from demand deposits
either in the same institutions, or a transfer within the system, a bottling-up
of existing money.

And as long as monetary savings are held in the commercial
banks either in the form of demand or time deposits, the rate of turnover of
these deposits is zero.

The expiration of the FDIC’s unlimited transactions deposit
insurance is prima facie evidence.

As I commented on 12-16-12, 01:50 PM #1 when the FDIC’s
unlimited transaction deposit insurance was reduced to $250,000:
“We’re close to seeing the real power of OMOs”

Then we got the “taper tantrum” and subsequently
above average R-gDp and N-gDp growth rates by putting savings back to work (by
increasing money velocity). We got a sharp rise in the real rate of interest.

My forecast for a: “Zinger” – a surprise, shock,
or piece of electrifying news.

Perplexed Pete
Perplexed Pete
3 years ago
I wish MISH would write an article about how all money is created. According to my homework, all money is created by private banks issuing loans (proofs at bankLIESdotORG). Banks create new, digital money out of thin air AFTER the borrower signs the loan contract, with no need for prior reserves or deposits. This new, digital “money” is called “bank credit”, “demand deposits” and “customer deposits”. It does not exist in any physical form; it is a series of digits that exist only in the hard drives of privately-owned bank computers! And the entire money supply of the USA is created this way.
It is amazing to me that there are several competing theories of money creation. The financial media and mainstream academia are mostly silent on this vital issue. We need a true independent journalist like MISH to do his homework and help spread the truth. This is truly an issue of human freedom not unlike the abolitionist movements of the early nineteenth century.
The truth of how all money is created is much more important than these hair-splitting definitional arguments about whether cash and coin constitute money. (They DO, by the way.)
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Perplexed Pete

Open market operations should be divided into 2 separate
classes (#1) purchases from & sales to, the commercial banks; and (#2)
purchases from, and sales to, others than banks:

(#1) Transactions between the Reserve banks and the
commercial banks directly affect the volume of bank reserves without bringing
about any change in the money stock. The trading desk “credits the account of
the clearing bank used by the primary dealer from whom the security is
purchased”. This alteration in the assets of the commercial banks (the banks’
IBDDs), increases – by exactly the amount the PD’s government securities
portfolio was decreased.

(#2) Purchases and sales between the Reserve banks and
non-bank investors directly affect both bank reserves and the money stock.

Perplexed Pete
Perplexed Pete
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
You mentioned “bank reserves” a couple times, and you seem to give them importance. Do you still believe in the fractional reserve banking model? In 2014 Richard Werner proved that this model is wrong. Werner studied bank records during the funding of a loan for 200,000 euros at a German bank. Where did the 200,000 euros come from? Did it come from deposits? NO! Did it come from excess reserves held at the central bank? NO! Werner found that the money was NOT transferred from any account inside or outside the bank; it was 100% new digital money created in the bank’s computer. These observations were confirmed by a 2014 Bank of England study called “Money Creation in the Modern Economy.”
The truth is that the entire money supply in the USA is created out of thin air by PRIVATE BANKS issuing loans. Government forces us to use dollars, but only private banks create dollars. Banks create new, digital dollars AFTER the borrower signs the loan contract. This is true for home mortgage loans, auto loans, business loans, credit cards, and government debt.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
When the curve of OPM (Other Peoples Money) drops in a significant way, society will be forced to live within it’s means rather than leverage capacity. This is otherwise known as a recession. Recessions happen gradually at first, then suddenly.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
I need a Lazer tilting up to cure my mental disorders. In order to get what I need, SPY have to breach Oct low, build a cause, and dive further down. So, I am watching AAPL. The do nothing AAPL weekly breached and popped above Aug 31 2020 fractal zone. It have close Dec 14/15 gap first. There is a supply line coming from : Oct 28 to Dec 13. We will see what AAPL do next for fun and entertainment.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
It sure is a strange recession. Started in November. If so, when will we expect to see the impacts?
Rise in unemployment? to what?
Negative GDP? – How bad and how long?
I have been on calls today with customers that have very strong bookings through the summer. Unusually strong. I haven’t seen anyone that has seen a softening of demand.
We often lag in downturns and upturns, so I’m always looking for other signs. I just can’t find them.
I see the tech layoffs as over due as they all hired so much in a few years. They will still have vastly more employees that end of 2019.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Glad to hear your bookings are strong.
Are you booking Alaska cruise vacations or nuclear reactor pressure vessels?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
I propose a question,
In 1999, removing Glass Steagal allowed investment banks to merge with commercial banks (this gave us the sub-prime crisis).
At the same time the CFMA was created, which basically allows the same banks complete secrecy with no size limits in futures, options and derivatives. (oil futures were pumped to $145/barrel in 2008, turns out it was the big banks manipulating oil futures, which led to the crash)
Where velocity has been so badly diminished while money supply has soared in recent decades, and we all know the reason is that money is being held by institutions – is it not reasonable to at least question whether these banks aren’t manipulating commodity, softs and energy?
i.e. – Wages exploded in recent years, C-suites panic because this amounts to pay cuts relative to inflation and overall wages, so, commodity prices are manipulated, a la Hunt Brother’s style and enabled by the CFMA’s secrecy….thus the Fed is justified in slowing the economy to soften wage growth.
I’m not saying recent inflation wasn’t a result of excess stimulus or wage inflation, but it’s not unreasonable to pose this question, we don’t know who owns what in food, grains and energy thanks to the CFMA. We can’t really state with surety that inflation wasn’t stimulated by the banks.
Mind again, oil prices where artificially bloated in 2008 to $145/barrel via futures manipulation, real supply and demand did not factor, at the time it made no sense.
..
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I have been hearing these conspiracy theories about banks manipulating gold, oil, commodities, etc for decades. I dont doubt there are some bad actors out there trying to game the system but a global bank conspiracy is ridiculous. If oil or gold or {insert commodity} is being manipulated then why not do so continuously? Why has oil stopped at $80 and not gone to $150? Why is gold at $1800 and not higher?
If banks can manipulate these things so easily the smartest thing to do is to force the price down, load up, force it up, sell it then repeat the cycle. A chart of oil or gold would look like a zig zag pattern endlessly….buy low sell high, rinse and repeat. Most commodity charts don’t look like that, they simply trend according to supply/demand changes.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I look at it that banks can only influence the prices by 5-10% with manipulating. The supply and demand ultimately control it.
BTW, here’s a clip from a Forbes article:
Gold Suppression: It’s Not a Question of IF but to WHAT EXTENT
First of all, let me say that gold price suppression (“fixing,” “rigging,” “manipulating” or however else you want to think about it) is not just a conspiracy theory. It’s a well-documented phenomenon, with real actors and real ramifications. In 2014, Barclays was fined nearly $44 million for failing to prevent traders from manipulating the London gold “fix.” Late last year, a former JPMorgan trader pleaded guilty to manipulating the U.S. metals markets. Remember the gold futures “flash crash” of 2014?
Speaking of conspiracy theories coming true, did you hear about banks working with the Mexican drug cartels? This is from a Reuters article in 2012:
HSBC became bank to drug cartels, pays big for lapses
(Reuters) – In February 2008, Mexican authorities told the CEO of HSBC Holdings Plc’s Mexico unit that a local drug lord referred to the bank as the “place to launder money,” U.S. prosecutors said on Tuesday, as they announced a record $1.92 billion settlement with the British bank.
In the end, the banks continue to operate with just a fine that’s just a fraction of the profit that was made. It’s extremely rare someone even goes to jail in the banking industry.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
There is manipulation for sure, but it’s not all in one direction.
Manipulators don’t care if they make money up or down, that’s what it really amounts to.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Late in response (long day), but my statement about the CFMA’s allowances for investment banks is true, they have no limitations as long as it’s not regular market assets, any derivative, option or future is free reign.
Bernie Sanders leaked CFTC records back in 2011 that clearly demonstrated this, the top holders of oil futures in 2008 were TBTF banks, Goldman Sachs, Citi, BofA. – https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cftc-dataleak-idUSTRE77I4NR20110819
It’s not rocket science to consider the banks knew CDO’s were garbage (read Kyle Bass’s story on how inaccessible the info was on CDO’s), and that a small push in consumer buying power would push sub-prime defaults, so, they pressure oil prices to hit consumers at the pump, while at the same time getting short the sub-prime market in secret.
This is not a conspiracy theory, Goldman Sachs paid out record breaking bonuses in 2009 to it’s prop desks, meanwhile the rest of us were getting evicted or maxing credit cards to eat.
.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Ah, this maketh me think of last year’s natural gas pricing.
A good and very intelligent friend still thinks that market price is set by user demand.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
A few articles are talking about the no overtime movement in Millennials. They are not staying after work, but standing firm on their eight hour day. That probably works for the career programmer, but not for those with management aspirations. Anyway, the loss of productivity is forcing management’s hand on hiring, suppressing the unemployment rate. Hours worked may be down, but may not be a strong recession indicator.
Gas prices are down. Crazy number of people are traveling. I am watching the store parking lots and cashier lines for signs of a slowdown….
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
That probably works for the career programmer, but not for those with management aspirations.
There are 80 million millennials now and their power will continue to grow while boomers diminish as they get old and die. It’s not the same world anymore and it moves in favor of millenials over other groups every day. Businesses won’t have much of a choice. It’s always funny watching these boomer CEOs saying their going to put their foot down and force people back in the office or whatever. Completely clueless.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Yeah but… So long as the type of work fits and other competitors do not out perform us, then workers will have some bargaining power for remote work. Management doesn’t fit that rubric. Neither does construction, assembly line work or cooking.
Right now, workers are living on their past training and relationships in order to work remote.
Data entry? Customer service? OK. Even collaborating on product design and manufacturing can have some remote work. If already trained and capable.
Don’t see how management can be disconnected from its workers and lead a company. Don’t see how new high school and college grads get assimilated. I do know it will work out one way or the other, and probably in the middle.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
Don’t see how management can be disconnected from its workers and lead a company.
It’s going to be a good experiment. Cisco and AirBnB announced they were going fully remote and I know people in a few companies that are all remote workers now. If one were to believe that Cisco and AirBnb can’t run without management holding someone’s hand then they should short these companies because they’ll go bankrupt. If others believe these companies will thrive because they will retain the best people and give them the best work productivity environment (their home) they should go long.
So what’s better letting people work from home or letting them work in an office by commuting 2 hours each way, spend money on dry cleaners, lunches, gasoline, tolls, car repair, train fees, going out to bars, etc?
The interesting thing is people that work jobs like construction are going to see office workers working remotely and perhaps consider a change in line of work so they too can work from home. That scenario could feed on itself and cause all sorts of labor havoc. We’ll see what happens.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
I plan on being a remote-worker short order cook – because of all the cheap robots.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Gen X bosses now…
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  xbizo
I would agree with the hours worked not being a good number. We used to have people that wanted overtime and since the pandemic this has changed. Same people but different priorities. Also people miss time and don’t want to stay and make it up. Rather just have a short check.
The labor force has changed and I don’t think it’s going to go back to 2019.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Hours worked is a good number. If it’s declining, it takes more people working more part time jobs to get the same work done.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I think average hours worked is trending down due to a change in people’s priorities. More people value time differently.
Our sales will be flat in January. Overtime will be less because people don’t want it. Employment up. Quite a few full time don’t ever work 40 hours. That used to be rare.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
We will see what a dozen eggs for $5 does to folks’ priorities.

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