Cheers to UK PM Rishi Sunak for pushing back climate change goals from 2030 to 2035.
Sunak Delays Climate Targets
CNN reports Sunak Delays Crucial UK Climate Targets, With One Eye on the Next Election.
Sunak told reporters on Wednesday he will push back a ban on selling new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 to 2035, dramatically slow down plans to phase out gas boilers, and reject calls to regulate efficiency for homeowners.
The prime minister reiterated plans to expand oil and gas developments in Britain’s North Sea and drill for the fossil fuels that environmental groups condemned. He also announced that the ban on onshore wind will be lifted.
Sunak, who is scrambling to reverse dismal opinion polling ahead of an election anticipated next year, sought to present the rollbacks as a “more pragmatic, proportionate and realistic” way of reaching net zero – framing the reversals as a longer-term and overdue change to approaching climate policies.
The prime minister’s Conservative party is deeply unpopular with voters, with opinion polls projecting anything from a comfortable defeat to a historic wipeout at the next general election, which must be called by January 2025 at the latest.
‘Dangerous and desperate’ Westminster Reaction
Members of parliament and former politicians have reacted with scorn to Rishi Sunak’s overhaul of the UK’s net zero targets, which involved dropping several key policies and watering down others. Criticism came from across the political spectrum, with Tory MP Simon Clarke describing it as wrong and Green party co-leader Carla Denyer calling it a ‘dangerous and desperate U-turn’
Al Gore Chimes In
Al Gore, the private jet set hypocrite, leads International Chorus of Disapproval for Sunak’s climate U-turn.
Al Gore, the former US vice-president, has described the decision by the UK prime minister, Rishi Sunak, to water down key climate policies as “shocking and disappointing” and “not what the world needs from the United Kingdom”.
Gore, now one of the world’s foremost advocates for swift action to avert the climate crisis, told CNN: “I find it shocking and really disappointing … I think he’s done the wrong thing. I’ve heard from many of my friends in the UK including a lot of Conservative party members who have used the phrase, ‘utter disgust’.
“And some of the young people there feel as if their generation has been stabbed in the back. It’s really shocking to me.”
“This action from Rishi Sunak is a disgusting betrayal of vulnerable people around the world, not to mention economic vandalism upon his own country,” said Mohamed Adow, director of Power Shift Africa.
Global Elites Took 150+ Private Jets to Fight Climate Change in Davos
Fox News reports Global Elites Took 150+ Private Jets to Fight Climate Change in Davos
Business executives, celebrities, billionaires and government officials traveled to the World Economic Forum (WEF) summit last week largely using private jets, according to a Fox News Digital analysis of flight data.
During the conference, which began on Jan. 16 and concluded Friday, at least 150 private jets flew into three of the closest airstrips near WEF’s headquarters in Davos, Switzerland, according to data obtained from flight tracking software Flightradar24. The data suggests that conference attendees spewed hundreds of thousands of pounds and thousands of metric tons of carbon as a result of their private jet usage.
“Europe is experiencing the warmest January days ever recorded and communities around the world are grappling with extreme weather events supercharged by the climate crisis,” Klara Maria Schenk, a campaigner for environmental group Greenpeace International, said in a statement ahead of the conference.
“Meanwhile, the rich and powerful flock to Davos in ultra-polluting, socially inequitable private jets to discuss climate and inequality behind closed doors,” she continued.
Private jet travel is by far the most carbon-intensive mode of transportation. They are about 10 times more carbon-intensive than commercial planes and 50 times more carbon-intensive than trains, according to a 2021 report from the group Transport & Environment.
What About John Kerry?
I’m glad you asked. Please note John Kerry’s Family Private Jet Emitted Over 300 Metric Tons of Carbon Since Biden Took Office.
“When you start to think about it, it’s pretty extraordinary that we — select group of human beings because of whatever touched us at some point in our lives — are able to sit in a room and come together and actually talk about saving the planet,” Kerry remarked on Tuesday. “I mean, it’s so almost extraterrestrial to think about ‘saving the planet.’”
Fox News notes “By comparison, the average person worldwide has an estimated annual carbon footprint of four tons.”
Sunak Failed to Mention the Right Reasons
Sunak made the right choice, perhaps for the wrong reason.
EVs don’t do a damn thing for the environment. See Biden’s Solar Push Is Destroying the Desert and Releasing Stored Carbon
And to top it off, The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has concluded Biden’s mileage standards have “Net benefits for passenger cars remain negative across alternatives” vs doing nothing at all.
See The Shocking Truth About Biden’s Proposed Energy Fuel Standards
Those are the right reasons to kill this insane push. And it’s safe to add inflation to the mix, not that additional reasons are needed.
Go on… Bite… typo queen.
I actually live in Adia, I am in China as well and I speak Chinese and Japanese as well, I’m also an electrical engineer, and I work in environmental science, so I would say I know more about it than you… nothing you say is correct or true, and you are a troll.
The global warming “crisis” will always be seen as a hoax until it is too late.
Macro-economists like Mish seem to be happy to let markets sort things out. The problem is the “external costs” of fossil fuels (e.g. costs of environmental degradation) are not reflected in prices. Most traditional macro-economists are first and foremost concerned about inflation. Rapid adoption of higher cost clean energy substitutes, including solar and wind (electricity generation) and batteries (EVs) will be felt as inflation. So, Sunak is slowing things down. The race to the bottom begins!
So, fighting inflation and rapid decarbonization are in opposition. There is no free lunch.
If CO2 is so dangerous, wouldn’t banning private jets be more effective than mandating EVs?
Its the increasing co2 in the atmosphere that is dangerous for living things in our climate including us.
That is propaganda, Jeff. Life has been on this planet even during Hot House Earth era.
Wet bulb temperatures are going up due to climate change. The unliveable parts of the earth are going to increase in size. No amount of deniability changes reality.
But life on earth will adjust as it always has. Usually by the extinction of those species that can’t adapt or by evolution. Since every indication shows its likely humans will not be up to the adaption task. Let’s welcome the return of the dinosaurs and small fruit eating rodent creatures. Cockroaches, pigeons, and rats will probably be fine. Unfortunate that homo-sapiens dropped the ball with the adaptation thing though.
The poor even in the United States will suffer due to not having means of escaping heat. One mile away affluent neighborhoods are living comfortably with a cool night’s sleep. This will be a societal stresser.
Bill Gates on 9/21/23: “No temperate country is going to become uninhabitable.”
You are in denial, Jeff.
The poor have no way of escaping frigid cold in the winter, when they can’t afford to pay the heating bill. Few people live in Alaska. Many live in southern California.
Living things need CO2 to survive… Trees, nitrogen-fixing bacteria, and idiots like you.
Now they’re even going so far as trying to silent our speech on this topic because if you dont support green you’re spreading lies. The faster people start raising hell the better. There’s plenty of things that can be done to help the environment without destroying our lives. Put down your picket sign, get your fat carbon-expelling ass off the couch and go clean up a highway.
Stop burning FFs. Easy enough over time.
Ammonia and methane are also fossil fuels and are used as alternatives to petroleum, but you don’t do science or facts, do you.
“Global Elites Took 150+ Private Jets to Fight Climate Change in Davos”
Must be that there isn’t a climate crisis. If there was a climate crisis, global elites would be terrified of personally pumping carbon into the atmosphere.
Global elites are propagandists.
A meeting of global elite politicians trying to convince each other to reduce waste gas production is truly pointless. However a meeting of top financiers, engineers, and technologists to discuss changes to current systems of energy use would be well worth the cost of jet fuel for transport . The same 21 century lifestyle should be possible with far less environmental impact. You just need to create the new systems, designs, and provide investment resources. No politician is good enough to convince people to return to lifestyle of 300 years ago.
Thats the whole problem. Brainless morons that have zero clue trying to impose their bs on us and arent worried about consequences as long as that fat stack of cash they have keeps getting bigger.
“And some of the young people there feel as if their generation has been stabbed in the back. It’s really shocking to me.”
They should all stop using fossil fuels from this day forward, then. But they won’t. Virtue signalling is very cheap.
Common sense?
Changes in the source of energy for the economy are typical as technology develops. From muscle, to wood, to coal, to oil/gas, to nuclear, to solar and wind these transitions have occurred historically. Each source comes with advantages and problems with associated waste and provisions to apply the power to the task at hand. Certainly the technologies of combustion generate a great deal of waste. Exploring alternatives would be a natural choice to improve efficiency even without any consideration of global warming theories. Flying over suburban industrial buildings and big box stores surrounding a typical airport I can see acres of unused roof space that can be put to use to offset energy costs for these buildings. This is but one example that could be implemented for economic reasons and at the same time may improve our climate problems.
The elite are against cow farting. How many steaks and Schenks they ate in Davos. The elite don’t care about climate change. They care about aging oil reservoirs.
Only one doctor can save and extend the life of the old North Sea reservoirs.
Without oil reservoirs Europe depends on the Biden, Sunak and Jonas Gahr Store,
Norway, b/c Nerd #1 and #2 were busted.
There are ways to reduce methane from animals. Especially ruminants.
But they are not practical. What is practical is cultured meat. Look it up.
Methane is a fossil fuel, locked up in permafrost, and compressed to liquid form to generate electricity to let you post bullshit comments all day. If you want to save the earth, stop using your computer.
Micheal Bloombery is putting up 500 million dollars to eliminate coal in the United States. There are othre elites helping along the direction of getting off of FFs.
Halfwits on Fed Welfare will always be attempting to buy themselves some silly fame by wasting the resources the Fed redistributed to them from more competent people.
And the well indoctrinated and not so critical, can be relied on to fall for the nonsense. Every.Single.Time.
I don’t share your point of view.
Because you are mentally ill.
The German green party is knocking down wind farms to build coal and dirty lignite mines, for the sake of America’s money laundering proxy war in Ukraine, and EU economy crushing sanctions. Fancy that.
TBH the EV bashers are hilarious here.
The problem with EV relative to existing technologies isn’t that EV is green, but rather that EVs have the potential to make more economic sense than an ICE – Transmission – Gas Tank drivetrain.
The cost reductions in EV are tremendous; batteries generally see 20% cost reduction (currently around 80-120 USD / kWh, 40 kWh gets you around 300 km on average, sodium ion promises 40 USD / kWh as an abrupt jump) per doubling of production capacity, and we’re roughly around 2.5% of all consumer autos being EVs right now, promising at least a further 60% cost reduction based on existing technologies.
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The deal with EVs is that the Chinese have gone full hog on it, not for the sake of carbon reduction, but for reductions in particulate pollution. The Indians will likely follow because they have the same issues with population density.
The end result will be that either the Chinese, the Indians, or both will eventually end up flooding the planet with cheap EVs, and based on their cost advantage, this will put extreme pressure on existing automakers who don’t have the same technological sophistication.
The point of Western EV policy shouldn’t be primarily for the sake of decarbonization, but how to provide relevance for domestic automakers when the Chinese are threatening to overrun everyone with EVs that are just plain cheaper than other people’s ICE. Even if you sanction them to death, someone will pirate or license their low-cost EV technology, and then the traditional ICE industry is still screwed.
Your lack of engineering and economics knowledge is also hilarious.
The Chinese have gone full on into it, because everything electrical can be controlled by the totalitarian state. Do you not know how China works?!
“Flooding the market with EVs” depends quite a bit on sourcing the metals for batteries, and securing the software from being hacked.
Prices are not constant, they change with demand, surely you understand that?
I’m actually China-based right now, so I’d say I know better than what you know based on Western media spin.
As far as sourcing the materials for batteries, the entire point of sodium ion is that you rely on abundant sodium, i.e, half of table salt, so scaling up production doesn’t hit a lithium bottleneck. Just built a desal plant, make a salt mine, this planet has shittons of sodium.
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End of the day, you’re not really helping anyone. Peak oil will be here in 10-20 years, then gas prices will jump through the roof. Even with the fracking revolution, gas prices are almost double what they were 20 years ago, and you’ll eventually run out of chemical fuels for ICE.
At that point, you’re stuck with batteries either way, and without subsidy support Stateside or in the West, you cede the market to the Chinese and Indians with predictable results.
“…and without subsidy support Stateside or in the West, you cede the market…”
Since subsidies for car makers in Brazil worked so well and all…
The Chinese are dominating battery cars, for the same reason some middlebrow Fed Welfare make-work startup in the US is: Because any halfwit can build battery cars just as good as anyone else. They’re pretty darned simple and commoditized, compared to the sophistication required to competitively build real cars. Doubly so, since the target market aren’t exactly the most clued in and demanding.
Neither the US nor China are, to put it nicely, at the cutting edge of industrial fields as sophisticated and competitive as cars. The US used to be, but over half a century of declines, has left it, at best, an also ran. While China is moving in the opposite direction, but still has ways to catch up with the Germans, Japanese and even Koreans , French and Italians. But, since anyone can slap together a battery car and join in on the hype, lack of technological and industrial sophistication is no problem for those. So China and the US there is.
Soon to be just China, as the US will no doubt do it’s thing and continue declining until it, like Argentina, can no longer even put together something as simple as battery cars. Then they’ll, as usual, be reduced to complaining that scary, border jumping child laborers “stole” their something-or-other again. While transferring even more of their wealth: From productive people, to the braindead ambulance chasers promising to lead the complaining choir.
Not really, because the Germans are freaked out by the Chinese already, not least because:
Daimler is like 10% owned by the Chinese to begin with, and they had a JV with BYD that amounted to little more than knowledge transfer.
Chinese e-cars have gotten to an extreme level of sophistication; i.e, whereas Tesla is known for bare-bones cars that lack fit and finish compared to Western EVs, the best Chinese e-cars have the full package, with relatively small differences between the quality of good Chinese EVs and German automakers.
link to insideevs.com
The Japanese actually freaked out and were claiming that BYD was using more advanced production techniques than either Toyota or Tesla.
link to notebookcheck.net
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But you’re right about the difficulty of ICE design vs EVs. EVs have a much simpler drivetrain; get some motors, connect it to an axle, connect the motor to a reasonably high-capacity battery.
An ICE car, on the other hand, needs a fuel line, a fuel tank, an engine, an exhaust, a transmission, all of which produce noise and vibration, which means it’s a more complex beast that is harder to get right.
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On the other hand, the battery technology is not trivial; i.e, it’s not simply a matter of designing the battery, but also understanding the production processes that have helped us get from 1000 USD per kWh in 2000-2005 to 100 USD per kWh today.
Ford or GM, I forget which, is actually causing a brouhaha because they’re licensing Chinese battery expertise to help them produce EV batteries at a Michigan plant.
So, no, EVs aren’t “simpler” than ICEs, just different and requiring a different set of expertise (ICE technology vs battery and motor technology).
I actually live in Asia for 20 years I am in China as well and I speak Chinese and Japanese as well, I’m also an electrical engineer, and I work in environmental science, so I would say I know more about it than you… nothing you say is correct or true, and you are a troll.
Mish wrote “EVs don’t do a damn thing for the environment”
And per the article below, at least in Britain, EV’s lose value much faster than IC cars. But just wait until the EV fleet gets to be 8-10 years old and people discover that they need new batteries, which, even if available, will cost more than the car will be worth at that point!
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Electric vehicles lose HALF their value in less than a year… as worst offending models are revealed
September 6, 2023
ELECTRIC vehicles have lost as much as half their value in under a year as the worst offending models can be revealed.
Drivers of the cars with the worst re-sell value could find themselves seriously out of pocket by thousands of pounds.
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link to the-sun.com
My used EV kept its value during the pandemic. Owners of new Teslas were being sold for 10,000 more than they paid.
I’m sure you are aware of the boilerplate warning that “Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future results”.
Similarly, your individual experience, especially during an unusual and unlikely to be repeated event like the Covid panic, is not anything to reply on to predict future experiences.
Which is exactly what you should apply that truism to your own comments. We are in a transition period which has, by definition, unpredictable events. Today will not repeat and to extrapolate during and into volatility may be exciting but not reliable.
You are referring to what exactly?
I bought my car used and let someone else take the new car hit. Car Max trade in isn’t that great but used Tesla sales give me better than battery replacement value.
FYI Jeff:
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A REUTERS SPECIAL REPORT
Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments.
By STEVE STECKLOW and NORIHIKO SHIROUZU
Filed July 27, 2023, 10 a.m. GMT
In March, Alexandre Ponsin set out on a family road trip from Colorado to California in his newly purchased Tesla, a used 2021 Model 3. He expected to get something close to the electric sport sedan’s advertised driving range: 353 miles on a fully charged battery.
He soon realized he was sometimes getting less than half that much range, particularly in cold weather – such severe underperformance that he was convinced the car had a serious defect.
“We’re looking at the range, and you literally see the number decrease in front of your eyes,” he said of his dashboard range meter.
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link to reuters.com
80/20% charge range to run your car is a standard battery management practice.This looks like beginner mistakes mixed in range varies with driving conditions. I can get more than the range on my model s, but I know how to get more range out of my car. Driving conservatively when you first get an EV is the better way to learn about electric driving.
You don’t seem to understand that it isn’t just the standard “new car hit” that is the issue with EV’s – IT IS THE AMOUNT OF USE YOU’LL GET FROM THE BATTERY BEFORE TI NEEDS REPLACEMENT!
The cost to replace the battery is almost always far more than the car will be worth after 8-10 years. So most people will be forced to dump the car as no one will buy it.
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A Tesla owner says he was locked out of his electric car after the battery died — an issue that he says would cost over $20,000 to fix
20 Sep 2022
– A Tesla owner went viral on TikTok after he posted a series of videos on issues with his Model S.
– Mario Zelaya claims he was locked out of the car after the battery died, which would cost over $20,000 to fix.
– Last year, a Finnish Tesla owner blew up his EV to protest a similar issue.
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link to businessinsider.com
So your EV held value during the scamdemic. Newsflash, it is nearly 2024 and that period is a couple of years ago. So what is the current age, mileage and trade in value of your EV today? My 19 year old Subaru has another 50,000 miles on it these past 3 years and it’s value is up ( thank you inflation) but your EV is fast approaching the point where it’s value is less than the cost of a replacement battery.
As we are approaching another ice age we need to do everything possible to save the planet. So I’ll do my bit by taking some joy rides to a camping ground and burn plenty of firewood as I cook a pasture fed steak.
I’m still above the cost of a replacement battery in value of the car. Plus the Model S has a 500,000 mile body on it. It can a serious consideration at the 300,000 mile time.
For who? You can’t even manufacture or recycle EVs without causing pollution. Obviously you cause pollution generating the electricity for them, and you generate pollution upgrading the grid (and mining and transporting the metals) to enable people to be able to charge EVs.
EVs cause more pollution and climate change than ICE vehicles. Fact.
Remember “energy saving lightbulbs”, where does that Cadmium come from? Where does it go?
How do you get the Cobalt to stabilise your batteries?
How many child labourers in Zaire do you need?
EVs are basically a tax on the poor, and stock market opportunity for wealthy speculators and investors.
EVs are way out of paying so much for climate damaging FFs.
I was in the Arctic this morning, there were big glaciers, it was very snowy. I have photos and videos to prove it. I even touched the snow with my hands. A girl was eaten by a pokar bear 2 months ago there. They aren’t drowning.
Unfortunately for you, i actually work in environmental science in the field, and i can tell you that climate change is not global warming, change is different in different places.
But you are stupid teenage transexual troll who has never been to the actic or passed an exam in maths or science… And you’re a troll.
When leaders across the political spectrum agree to do the wrong thing, there’s a corruption going on.
Don’t tell me there was another climate jet-together in Davos?
These climate oligarchs must have more contempt for the plebs than Roman slave-owner for their slaves.
We will adapt. I grew up in the first industrial city in the New World, Lowell, Massachusetts. The town is on a 180 turn of the Merrimack River and has numerous canals through it to run the textiles mills of the 1800s. Electricity brought the mills to the south where labor was cheaper. Lowell became the headquarters of Wang and it boomed. The PC killed Wang’s word processors. But then tech expanded beyond Route 128 and Lowell thrived again. People just want a job and a nice place to raise children. The cities are doomed but we will adapt.
Sea level rise on the east coast means abandoning lower points of cities. Billions if not trillions of dollars in damage.
Buildings are torn down and rebuilt all the time. As sea level rises the buildings that are due to be replaced anyway will be rebuilt at a higher location.
The Great Leader Obama has two houses barely above sea level, he’s clearly not worried about climate change.
One of those houses is onMartha’s Vineyard which is a moraine from the last ice age. It was once at the leading edge of a thousand foot tall bulldozer of ice. Sea level then was over 300 feet lower.
Here is a video about what was going on in Seattle 20,000 years ago.
link to m.youtube.com
It’s pure hubris to think that humans are going to lock the planet into stasis at the precise conditions most convenient for us.
“Buildings are torn down and rebuilt all the time. As sea level rises the buildings that are due to be replaced anyway will be rebuilt at a higher location.”
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Not if land is unavailable. Say in Manhattan.
The Fed has mad sure that absolutely anything of any value whatsoever, has long since left Manhattan.
The sea level changes everwhere constantly – it’s called the tide.
If you study coastal dynamics, you will learn about how land is formed and reshaped by oceans, sea levels change everywhere all the time. It’s not Pangaea.
That is your response? Really. I hope you have enough sense to see how AGW melts ice on earth. Sea level rise goes right along with the earth’s temperature increasing.
I was in the Arctic this morning, plenty of ice and snow, i touched it and felt it. I have photos and videos to prove it.
Global warming is not a thing.
Climate change is more complex than that and includes changes in the sun, and effects are both global cooling and warming in different parts of the world, the climate is a complex dynamic system, unlike you.
Gee Jeff! In case you’re unaware, the sea level have been rising at about 1 foot per centure the past two centuries. Yes climate changes. It has always changed and always will.
New York City is on the site of a glacier. Imagine the fallout from a glacial return. Considering where sea level has been before, when the Earth was hotter, low lying areas should not have been inhabited, either. Climate is always subject to change.
glacier return, if it happens is 10s of thousands of years away. In the more immediate concern is our co2 making the earth warmer. These problems will only get more serious if we are slow at reducing burning FFs.
C02 is making the world Warmer??
Stop exhaling Jeff, that’ll make the world a much better place!!
CO2 doesn’t make the Earth warmer.
The minis on route 128 competed with IBM, but AAPL routed the minis. Route
128 from boom to bust, since Berkshire Hathaway demise.
Kerry’s private jet is in his mother-in-law’s dog’s name, so it doesn’t count.
In 2020, the greenhouse gas emissions generated from wildfires in California were twice the amount of greenhouse gas reductions the state achieved through global warming mandates over the past 12 years. Perhaps we should re-examine the measures we adopt and the funds we spend to improve the climate of our planet?
Climate related mandates are analogous to bailing a sinking boat with a teaspoon under the moral self-righteousness that they are helping mankind and the planet. They are helping, but there are better uses of our resources if we want to help mankind and the planet. The notion that we must save the planet for people not yet born at the expense of those that live in poverty today, makes little sense to me.
Many times more people die each year from cold than from heat?
People who possess 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 overall environmental knowledge experience 𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀 climate change anxiety. People that possess less climate-specific knowledge experience more climate change anxiety.
We need to educate our youth instead of scaring them?
40 gigatons per year of co2 emissions is a serious change to our atmosphere and oceans. Science has shown that consistently. Staying the course of FFs brings about more warming of the earth, rising sea levels, acidification of the oceans, mass extinction of vulnerable life on earth. Using our atmosphere like a sewer is having serious consequences.
lol
The mean average mass of the Earth’s atmosphere is about 5,148,000 GigaTons,
The mean average mass of the Earth’s hydrosphere is about 1,400,000 GigaTons, with about 1,350,000 GigaTons in the oceans. 40 GigaTons is a lot less than 1% of the atmosphere. About 0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2.
40 GigaTons of CO2 is about 0.0008% of the atmosphere.
So 0.04/0.0008 = 0.2% extra CO2 per year… the crucial bit missing from your maths is the other side of the equation; i.e.: how much CO2 is *used* by natural processes in the Earth. The Earth naturally absorbs about 450 GigaTons of CO2 per year in new growth. About 430 GigaTons might be released in natural events like volcanoes and fires. So the net surplus is not 40 GigaTons, but more like 10 GigaTons, which is 25% less than ecojihadis claim, because they don’t look at the basic science and maths about the carbon cycle.
Trying to impress by bluffing isn’t working. As co2 concentration rises, it sends more infrared back to the surface of the earth. That is why EVs are the answer to our transportation issues.
Hugely expensive cimate change mandates have been put in place to offset global warming. How much have they helped in reducing the Earth’s temperature? The benefits of our climate change efforts are an expensive shot in the dark and negatively impact the hungry and poor the most. They will not manifest any measurable benefits for decades, perhaps generations, while in the meantime there are millions that live without heat and clean drinking water. Climate change mandates are admirable, but, there are far better things we could do today to improve the quality of life of those that are living today, rather than expensive climate change mandates with results that are impossible to measure.
What hurts the poor the most is AGW. Low income countries are the most vulnerable to AGW. When we change our energy program, people of lesser means can be included as part of the transition.
That is scientific data and maths.
But you are a troll, so you don’t care.
Your English isn’t very good, using the word “bluffing” , doesn’t make any sense in English.
Almost all Co2 is absorbed by the Earth’s natural processes and organisms, and you are a clueless imbecile, or a teenager.
EVs increase pollution, and increase global warming dye to the impact of battery metal mining and battery manufacture, and battery disposal, that’s a fact.
The answer to our transport issues is probably for you to go to school or commit suicide.
I think when people say the word troll, you fit the bill well. I’m seriously thinking you have some serious issues.
“That is why EVs are the answer to our transportation issues.”
Since: If only that mythical guy named “We” preens around in HOV lanes in a silly battery car, then all the oil and gas will just be left underground. Noone in places without Biden/Gore funded charging stations would ever consider buying and burning it…….
Back on Planet Reality: Every gallon NOT burned by some yahoo San Francisco hipster, WILL be burned by Putin’s warmachine in Ukraine. Or by African militias. Or a marauding US war machine bent on building bomb craters and puppet regimes across the globe. Or, do you reckon the latter will swap their diesel burning tanks and bombers for Teslas? Mid air super-recharging? I suppose they could offer Zelensky some Teslas, instead of the kit they are currently sending, or at least promising to send, his way…..
I’m quite happy to not think like you do. You seem confused as to why you should even move forward on living a more sustainable earth life.
When you are an alcoholic, you stop drinking alcohol or it will eventually kill you slowly.
Narcotics, the same. Stop using.
Gambling, the same. Stop putting your family at risk financially.
And on down the list.
There are lots of ways of destruction that we live in.
CO2 is one of those ways of destruction of our world society. This effects everyone on earth. What you do effects me and what I do effects you. Can’t get around it. But hey, why should you change? Screw everyone else, I’m out for myself.
It’s not just our atmosphere we treat as a sewer – it’s our whole environment. The increase in “sewage” is a function of population growth and standard of living. How far are we in the west willing to cut back just to accommodate the necessary population growth in our countries? Do you expect third world countries to hold their standard of living to their current level – and they have bigger and faster-growing populations than we in the west. Good luck.
To say we have to try is not an answer or a solution. Unfortunately, I don’t have any suggestion for improvement but our current path is for a different problem and a whole different solution.
Popoulation growth into 9, 10, 11 billion people cannot be supported by American level of FF energy consumption and expect happy results ecologically. There was resistance changing from horses to cars. My girlfriends grandfather in the early 1970s still didn’t have an indoor toilet in their home.
We are treating our atmosphere like a sewer and are paying the price for it.
No it isn’t. Population is about 8 billion, and growth is plateauing and peaking as it normally does with development, and demographic change.
You haven’t got a girlfriend, you are a tranny.
Rinky Stingpiece
September 22, 2023
No it isn’t. Population is about 8 billion, and growth is plateauing and peaking as it normally does with development, and demographic change.
You haven’t got a girlfriend, you are a tranny.
Some people have serious issues in the background acting out on here. Get well, I hope you recover some day.
Sunak continues the push for the hoax called NetZero but still hopes to be re-elected ? Some hope ?
Based in evidence human co2 is the reason for the earth warming in the past and will continue to warm several decades in to the future. The faster we get rid of FFs, the better off we will be.
The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421 ppm as of May 2022 (0.04%)
The premise that such an insignificant amount causes a rise in the earth’s temperature is logically absurd.
Global warming by CO2 is a SCAM and the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to an elite group of politicians and oligarchs in history.
Sunak isn’t doing the delay because he’s seen the light however. He’s afraid of electoral extinction as the people see the disaster the extreme green policies are causing.
Ignorance is some people’s super power. Welcome to the equivalent of flat earth society.
“Ignorance is some people’s super power. Welcome to the equivalent of flat earth society.”
You must have some super power, buying and suggesting to others to buy PLUG, BLDP, FCEL at the highs. How does that ignorance rate on your scale realist (Papafraud, Imgreenscam, Jeffgreenscam, mpos)?
Oh yeah oils not going below $100, got oil? Better go check & see how how your 1 million is doing in T-bills. Enjoy playing this blog like a biotech scam on the Yahoo message boards?
I see you didn’t pass your science class.
It doesn’t matter what he hopes for, the wokefascist blob and their bought and paid for media have the scent of blood and stop at nothing to reinstall Labour… the UK is in serious trouble… the only hope is the EU imploding, or nuclear war to take out London.
Climate Change …. the largest fraud every perpetrated against the western world! Can only hope that people are beginning to wake up to what the proposed “Green” policies will do to our standard of living. Behind every unit of GDP is a unit of energy.
GDP and energy do not have to be linked. Energy use can go down and GDP increase.
Nope. GDP and energy consumption are highly correlated. No way around it.
Efficiency breaks the link.
link to mckinsey.com
t’s long been axiomatic that economic growth and energy demand are linked. As economies grow, energy demand increases; if energy is constrained, GDP growth pulls back in turn. That’s been the case since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution, if not long before.
But past is not always prologue. Our latest global energy perspective—part of a multiyear research effort examining the supply and demand of 55 types of energy across 30 sectors in some 146 countries—suggests that we’re beginning to see a decoupling between the rates of economic growth and energy demand, which in the decades ahead will become even more pronounced.
It is correct that energy use and GDP don’t have to be connected at the hip, but there’s a good reason that they presently are – cost. If it’s cheaper to use less energy, guess what happens? Unfortunately, again at present, nearly every idea to reduce energy increases cost(s). If you don’t know who pays these costs, you need an economy 101 lesson.
For me, the situation is always the same – what’s the problem we’re trying to solve? Does our solution bring unacceptable consequences?
If you don’t understand the problem (and I don’t), you don’t have a credible solution. If the problem is to reduce freedom for the masses and transfer their wealth to the rich, then the current policies make sense and seem to be successful – so far.
“…suggests that we’re beginning to see a decoupling between the rates of economic growth and energy demand…”
Specifically because they are, entirely uncritically as is par for the course in that intellectual ghetto of theirs, conflating GDP with “economic growth”.
GDP increases with money printing. Which doesn’t take a whole lot of energy. Economic growth, OTOH, is at the very best unaffected by said printing. In reality, every dollar printed and handed to clueless clowns, are taken from people who would otherwise have done more to grow the economy, than the halfwits who are the overwhelming recipients of the wealth transfers effected by the printing.
But leave it to the clowns, and their court jesters at the Mainstream “Consulting” Clownshops, to uncritically regurgitate the same old “thiiiiings are diiiiiiferent thiiiis tiiiiime” nonsense; time and time again. Ours wouldn’t be the #DumbAge if it wasn’t for doubling down on Dumb.
“But past is not always prologue. Our latest global energy perspective—part of a multiyear research effort examining the supply and demand of 55 types of energy across 30 sectors in some 146 countries—suggests that we’re beginning to see a decoupling between the rates of economic growth and energy demand, which in the decades ahead will become even more pronounced.”
Realist (papafraud, imgreenscam, jeffgreenscam, mpos)
-Realist sees a decoupling between economic growth and energy demand and this will become more pronounced in the decades ahead.
Fricken hilarious, yup this is exactly what were seeing in Europe after they spent hundreds of billions on greenscam and now deindustrialize.
Europe is now a dead man walking and expect deindustrializiation to pick up steam as they use less and less energy.
You have brought in a lot of different topics mixed with your world view on the matter. Europe could care less what you think. They don’t have FF think tanks influencing them as strongly as the FF think tanks influence our North American population. Energy efficiency will increase in reality the more we head into 100% RE. Heat pumps are 3 to 4 times more efficient than burning natural gas. EVs are about 4 times more efficient than their counterparts in gas. As efficiency becomes more predominant in our socities, GDP can increase while our energy usage stays flat of even decreases.
Yes. Let’s invent an even bigger vehicle than the SUV… We’re all going to be rich buying them!
Realist (Papafraud, Jeffgreenscam, Imgreenscam, mpos)
Can you update us on how much anyone lost stupid enough to follow your recommendations on BLDP, PLUG and what was the other one you were buying, FCEL at the highs several years back?
I’m not sure what your accronyms stand for. I know Tesla is in acceleration of growth of making EVs. Along with the storage industry is off the charts. These are serious growth areas.
Who know, but personal experience of UK is that national electricity consumption peaked in 2005. On a per capita basis, electricity consumption is down even more. Our economy is clearly going downhill.
Correlation does nto mean causation, but…..
Much of the energy consumption by the West has been offshored to other countries. How much embedded energy is there in all the imports from China that used to be made in the Rustbelt of the US or the Midlands of England.
“Much of the energy consumption by the West has been offshored to other countries.”
And with it, much of the wealth……..
“Climate Change …. the largest fraud every perpetrated against the western world! ”
Like I have stated previously, The Climate Change scam will eventually fizzle out. I suspect by 2035, you will hear very little about climate change. Britain is in a mess and its wind generation scam looks to have hit a wall.
Hopefully others are looking at what has transpired in Europe after spending hundreds of billions on Climate Scam.
Just about the entire world has plans to get out of FFs. There are numerous pledges by countries of banning new gas car sales. This is happening pal.
Pledges can, and are being reversed as in UK. It appears to just be country virtue signaling to me.
It seems conservatives don’t virtue signal? Is that correct?
Per the great philosopher, Mike Tyson:
“Everybody’s got a plan. Until they get hit.”
In this case, “hit” by the reality that dealing with the occasional symptoms of the common cold, is an awful lot cheaper and more sensible than moving to Mars, or exterminating all other life on earth which just may be carriers, in order to reduce all risk of infection as much as possible.
In general, solving actual problems as they arise, are an awful lot more efficient, than trying to outbid one another in dreaming up every conceivable scare scenario and then attempting to preemptively “solve” all of them in advance. If it gets warmer, dress lighter. Take up surfing instead of snowboarding. Or move further from the equator. Works like a charm.