Deep Dive Into Parler Data
Amazon, Microsoft, Apple and other companies have shut down support for Parler, making it internet dead.
However, a number of people downloaded all the data right before it was shut down. That data is both fascinating and deeply disturbing.
January 6 Was Predictable
An “anonymous data scientist” who downloaded the data says We could have predicted the events of January 6th from Parler’s data.
I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on the Parler social network for months before Amazon shut them down. Parler was a poorly-engineered app that hosted a wide range of hate speech, conspiracy theories, threats of violence, and disinformation.
Users could only search posts on Parler (called “Parleys”) by hashtags, not by the text content within the post itself. This led users to liberally apply hashtags within any Parley that they wished to disseminate widely, unknowingly providing valuable metadata to researchers like myself.
For example, here is a random Parley from January 6th in Washington D.C.
#trump had to allow #mikepence to sign his own death warrant…..
#TraitorPence #GITMO #firingsquad#ALLorNOTHING #2theEND #wildDC #magarally #wildprotest
#saveamericarally #trumprally #dc #ArrestPence #traitorVP#JAN6 the new #911….. #makethempay #retribution
Hanging Politicians Goes Viral
The notion of murdering politicians was widely discussed on Parler for months before the 2020 US election, and these posts were never moderated. The relative frequency of hashtags involving hanging/execution more than doubles after the 2020 US election (blue vertical line above), more than triples on the day of the Electoral College vote (green line), and is an order of magnitude higher on the day of the Capitol riot (red line).
It is clear that Parler allowed the idea of attacking and hanging politicians to spread virally on the platform, either through gross negligence or willing ignorance. This idea manifested itself in the gallows erected outside the US Capitol on January 6th. The gallows are a reference to the white supremacist literature The Turner Diaries, in which a “Day of the Rope” features politicians hung en masse.
Day of Rope
Parler Hastag Analysis
Parler Word Cloud
Civil War
In a word cloud, the bigger the words, the higher the frequency.
In the days right before January 6, “civil war” was the big buzzphrase.
The QAnon conspiracy
There are a substantial number of Americans (at least 100,000 on Parler and two sitting US congresswomen) who believe there is a vast global conspiracy by a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles to consolidate power, and that Donald Trump is secretly trying to bring them down. One distinct feature of the QAnon conspiracy is how new layers of rationalization are continuously added through widely disseminated videos — unlike the moon landing conspiracies, QAnon’s purported conspiracy is ongoing, and continuously adapting to current events.
Ashli Babbitt QAnon
Ashli Babbitt, the woman shot and killed inside the capitol was a QAnon follower.
For further discussion, please see my post The Sorry Saga of Ashli Babbitt Shot in the Capitol
QAnon Targets George Soros
The term “echo” is similar to a Twitter Retweet (posting the same message to those who follow you).
Anonymous Data Scientist Concludes
You can contact me about this post and to request access to the dataset by messaging me on Twitter. I will be keeping my identity concealed for obvious reasons — there is panic among the ex-Parler community that all their data, even private/deleted posts, have been scraped and archived — it has, just not by me. Furthermore, Parler did not follow industry standards in obfuscating EXIF metadata from uploaded images, so millions of users had their exact location logged.
Exact Locations Logged
https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348294151712944128
Gizmodo Analysis
Gizmodo reports Parler Users Breached Deep Inside U.S. Capitol Building, GPS Data Shows
At least several users of the far-right social network Parler appear to be among the horde of rioters that managed to penetrate deep inside the U.S. Capitol building and into areas normally restricted to the public, according to GPS metadata linked to videos posted to the platform the day of the insurrection in Washington.
The data, obtained by a computer hacker through legal means ahead of Parler’s shutdown on Monday, offers a bird’s eye view of its users swarming the Capitol grounds after receiving encouragement from President Trump — and during a violent breach that sent lawmakers and Capitol Hill visitors scrambling amid gunshots and calls for their death. GPS coordinates taken from 618 Parler videos analyzed by Gizmodo has already been sought after by FBI as part of a sweeping nationwide search for potential suspects, at least 20 of whom are already in custody.
Gizmodo has mapped nearly 70,000 geo-located Parler posts and on Tuesday isolated hundreds published on January 6 near the Capitol where a mob of pro-Trump supporters had hoped to overturn a democratic election and keep their president in power. The data shows Parler users posting all throughout the day, documenting their march from the National Mall to Capitol Hill where the violent insurrection ensued.
Gizmodo Graphic
The red dot just south of the Capitol Rotunda’s center on the map above is linked to a video Gizmodo verified that shows rioters in red MAGA hats shouting obscenities about House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whose office is a short walk to the west. But other dots nearby could indicate videos captured in adjacent offices, stairwells, or hallways leading toward the House and Senate chambers. A second video successfully linked to the Parler data belongs to a rioter who filmed a mob in the Rotunda chanting, “Whose House? Our House?” (while facing the Senate side of the building).
The Parler data was first obtained by a hacker identified by her Twitter handle, @donk_enby, as reported by Gizmodo on Monday.
In an interview Monday, @donk_enby said she began to archive posts from Parler the day of the siege, documenting what she described as “very incriminating” evidence linked to a mob of Parler users on the Hill. When it later became clear that Amazon intended to expel the app from its servers, she expanded her efforts to vacuum up the entirety of its content.
According to @donk_enby, more than 99% of all Parler posts, including millions of videos bearing the locations of users, were saved. Unlike most of its competitors, Parler apparently had no mechanism in place to strip sensitive metadata from its users’ videos prior to posting them online.
Metadata
https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348778814910980098https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348880153028526082https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348623935013855236https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348491604244492289
Wow, Just Wow
The data by donk_enby and the “anonymous data scientist” provide a stunning look into what was actually going down.
Looking for true patriots? You have a couple of them right there.
The mob wanted Pelosi and they got to within a door.
A number of these people should be tried for sedition if not treason. The FBI has at least 160 open cases and I expect hundreds more as they comb through these data files.
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Solution: Keep your business off the internet. Human beings have survived for thousands of years without the internet and social media and they will for thousands more. If Trump had kept his mouth shut he might still be president but the man can’t be quite for five seconds. Problem solved.
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Ooh, gallows! Outrageous! How about the guillotines that were being pushed around by antifa at their “mostly peaceful riots?” Where is the parler cloud for that? Oh, that’s right – that was all arranged on Fakebook and Twatter.
I’m all for arresting the Capital rioters. But to tag Parler on this? Isn’t identical content found across all social media? Let’s not let those who want to destroy Parler define what Parler is so they retain a (partisan) monopoly on information. That’s infinitely more dangerous.
Wait a minute ……I thought it was Trump’s rally that incited all these protestors?
You mean they were planning this all along? Then what is the impeachment about then? Ohhhhh just the house they have nothing else that they could be doing…
After Trump told them what he wanted, and when, they had to plan it. If you are making a point, I don’t understand it.
“Let me get this right. Somebody who works at twitter hacks Parler and downloads all their data. Twitter and friends then takes down Parler”
Let YOU get this straight@Doug78 I am tired of bullshit straw man statements presented as facts to make them seem like they happened.
Imagine an insane world where conversations are censored if there is any way words can be construed as anti-party? Imagine that to enforce that rule those who are judged to speak a contrary line are punished. Where along that line are Americans today? What recourse would Americans have to disagree?
I hope your comments section doesn’t descend into a name calling exercise Mish. I haven’t read the comments for a while but these insulting remarks that some people are throwing at each other add nothing. The comments section here used to be very informative. In some other good websites I follow, any insulting comments are deleted. Let the facts and intelligent arguments speak for themselves.
I keep hearing how they’re white supremacists on Parler but not a single mention of race anywhere in any of the word clouds or other info. But hey, it’s a good narrative.
Meanwhile AOC has just stated that the South “needs to be liberated.”
Our Founders died and killed a lot of British in order to be free. I’m not condoning violence, but stating the fact that our country got it’s founding from a violent war when the government that ruled the people had gone too far controlling them. I’m guessing some folks today are starting to feel the same way.
Only 24000 British troops died in the US Revolutionary War…some of those from disease. If you count American disease deaths and America POW’s who died, we probably lost more than the Brits.
There were several battles in the US Civil War that claimed more than 24K deaths in a single battle….Antietam and Gettysburg, to name a couple. To this day the bloodiest war of all time.
Just a footnote, and maybe good food for thought, for those inclined to do stupid things.
Mighty empires rise and fall.
No guarantees.
But to turn it over to bunch of gullible butt-heads on the say-so of a moron?
I believe these modern-day minutemen don’t understand how tanks and drones work.
It depends on what side the generals are on, just like in the civil war they might be split.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff disagree with you.
This time.
And that’s all that matters. Or do you hope for civil war? You hate America that much?
I’m not advocating for anything. With everyone saying there should not be violence, I wanted to remind folks that to be free violence may be necessary based on our history. Which America are you talking about? What we have today is nothing like what our Founders fought for and achieved, they had a freedom from government control we currently can only dream about.
If you think America 1788 can be sustained in America 2020, I can’t help you. The amount of death and destruction needed to restore 1788 America would be interesting to say the least.
The problem with people who are so dissatisfied with 2020 America is that they are unadaptable. Adaptable people thrive in adversity. Unadaptable people perish.
That’s fine, some people are happy being institutionalized, others aren’t.
Some people are antisocial and lack the ability to live among others. There’s plenty of open space left in America where you can find the peace and freedom you seek.
Peace and freedom from an oppressive government, where?
Wyoming. Alaska. South Dakota. All lovely places.
Costa Rica has no standing army. It is a very libertarian country.
Of course, if your objection is to government itself, then you might have to consider Antarctica.
I had no idea the federal government had no jurisdiction in those states. No objection to government, I like the one our Founders created, it’s worth fighting for, against all enemies foreign and domestic.
Well of course FedGov has jurisdiction, but lots of veterans move to Alaska because it is markedly freer than other states.
There is one very interesting place that is technically beyond the reach of any government. It is called the Zone of Death in Idaho. For arcane reasons, it is impossible to seat a jury there, so the 6th Amendment would protect you even from murder charges.
It’s adjacent to Yellowstone NP. Gotta be paradise.
I wish you luck as you resist the 2020 American government. I hope you can find that 1788 government somewhere. I’ll leave you with this immortal exchange from the film The Aviator:
Howard Hughes: “I’m going to defeat you, Senator.”
Senator: “Not me, Howard … the US government. We just beat Germany and Japan. Who the hell are you?
Keep up the fight. I’m an anarchist at heart myself … the peaceful kind.
“I like the one our Founders created, it’s worth fighting for, against all enemies foreign and domestic.”
Agree, that’s why I voted against a domestic enemy, Trump.
Cracks me up guys like Rush Limbaugh are angry the heavy hand of big government didn’t crush Big Tech when they had the chance. Of course, there’s an irony to this. The record stock market Trump and guys like Rush celebrated as proof Trump was a great president really was the result of these technology stocks increasing in great value. https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2021/01/11/if-democrats-can-erase-our-voices-from-social-media-can-they-erase-our-votes/
I have a solution: conservatives, start a social medium site. Don’t complain, take action. Ya think?
Rush has the money, doesn’t he as he flies around on EIB1. A site is the easy part. They need to invest in the infrastructure beyond code.
I thought that the NSA and other government surveillance agencies were already monitoring for threats such as this. This would seem to have been a layup to identify such a threat in advance – it was right there on full public display.
If anything, 2020 has shown that there appears to be very little, if any, of our government that is functioning anywhere close to competent and effective.
Are you surprised? 🙂
By design. It’s what nihilists do … they destroy.
I still can’t tell whether QAnon started as a psyop or as the dumbest patriotic movement in human history. Censorship is wrong, but many of us incorrectly assumed that free speech would lead to people trying to exchange information, not painstakingly constructing a ridiculous fantasy world to retreat to.
Soviets who wrote to Stalin in the 1930s, warning him that somebody was shipping people off to Siberian gulags, had a better grasp of reality than the Q crowd.
“can’t tell whether QAnon started as a psyop or as the dumbest patriotic movement in human history”
It almost has to be a psyop, don’t you think? It’s too…..too perfectly stupid…and yet HIGHLY attractive to certain people.
It reminds me of certain unsubstantiated internet rumors that get going in the crypto community……like the puzzles and bears and that stuff around XRP. People WANT to believe….and so they build all this mythos around nothing, basically….and then unscrupulous players start echoing it, passing it around….and it builds…..and then of course eventually nothing happens and everybody figures out it was a scam.
It’s probably are the same type of people who believe in UFOs and stuff like that. I would say that someone found a way to segment that group into their respective political leanings.
People who believe organized religion will believe anything. What’s that? 6 billion people?
Sure you’re going to find a lot of mobile phones and sms or talk similar to the above all map nested around capitol. Your point is ?
Either there is free speech or there isn’t , is the idea to limit a protestor to standing on a soapbox while allowing official or corporate line a monopoly of broadcast from behind a confused responsibility easily self-labelled virtuous ?
Stop hate speech, incitement ? Not if that is what a portion of society want to share…or is the suggestion to wiretap everywhere ? To not have that content distributed, well you have “twitter safe space” for those who would avoid it but otherwise it is going to have to go the way of china, is going the way of china. To track those who publish hate speech, to just be able to track people “in case they say something” ? That unfortunately is not a good direction to take if history is any example, it is disturbing to see people fall for or replicate the propaganda used to enact it.
Still don’t think it’s the medium? Look at this one….the good part starts at about 9 minutes in.
If one dislikes Parler (or other web site) content, simply don’t go to that site. No rocket science needed.
If you don’t want to be arrested and tried for sedition along with prosecution for making terroristic threats, don’t post on Parler. Not rocket science.
Parler is 95 percent peaceful.
If you don’t want to be arrested and prosecuted for ‘terroristic’ threats, just post them on Twitter and make sure they express leftist views.
Snowflake
I think he was on his way there before all this broke out. This just cements it.
I am sure one of Trump’s Russian oligarch buddies or a Saudi crown prince or two will be more than happy to fill the void.
The behavior of your page has been doing strange things the past few days, Mish…
Yes, the site has been down more than it has been up. I’ve checked at least a dozen times today on different computers and was not able to access anything until now.
I was wondering if even Mish is being blocked by filters due to the political aspect of the blog?
I’ve been able to get on but its been slow and taken several retries
It appears his site is hosted by epik.com
Well, I guess we need to get “draw and quarter for sedition” trending.
Anybody who wants to understand why mankind is now using the internet to commit mass suicide (and homicide, and maybe genocide) should really take a few minutes and listen to Jaron Lanier’s 2018 TED Talk. Thee is much more to it than this….but it’s the beginning of my understanding about what’s wrong…..and it’s much more than Trump, unfortunately.
It sure is useful for crowdsourcing though.
I am waiting for those two quotes Louis. Be quick.
Still waiting
Sorry Doug, busy right now. But please, keep waiting on baited breath.
I would think that you having given me a veiled threat about my phone number on Parler would be more ready to follow up but I guess you are just not up to it.
I would think that you having given me a veiled threat about my phone number on Parler would be more ready to follow up but I guess you are just not up to it.
This was on PBS last night. At some point, the providers should take down Alex Jones. That will send these people into a real frenzy. Basically these people are terrorists of a different time. It is time to start treating them as such. Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide.
Does Jones not own the servers that transmits his rhetoric whether that be audio, video, or text? One would think someone who claims they are “principled” like Jones would not want to be dependent on big corporations. Of course, I don’t find him principled.
It appears his site is hosted by epik.com
Jones got his start on free cable access, here in Austin. Back in the late 80’s, if memory serves….like Wayne’s World…..he never got much traction until the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco. Jones literally made his bones criticizing the government’s role in the way that went down….he was already off on his globalist conspiracy theory bent at that point.
There was plenty to criticize….and he got his audience….he went from there to local talk radio and started making money…..the rest is history, as they say.
If you look at any of those media bias charts out there….you will see that he is consistently to the farthest right-wing extreme…and at the very bottom for reliability of any of his content. (Well the Enquirer and something I never heard of called WorldTruthTV are slightly less reliable….great company. The Enquirer writes stories about people who talk to angels.)
Alex Jones does a great deal of damage…..and he constantly wraps himself in the flag of free speech.
How about RESPONSIBLE speech? Why ever happened to that?
That is a strange chart. Apparently we should get our news from the Weather Channnel?
I think you could argue about some of the ones they put near the top. Forbes, for instance, has gone to the dogs in my book. But when you get to the most extreme on the right and left, I think they’re pretty accurate. It’s not the only bias chart….and people who make bias charts probably have some bias…..but by and large I don’t take that much issue with it.
I didn’t really disagree with where anyone else was on the chart, but I was confused about why the Weather Channel is even on the chart. Do they even do general news? Do they do original news reporting?
Not sure. I don’t watch TV..but my guess is they were included because they cover disaster stuff in addition to just reporting on normal weather. Obviously there are probably fewer political divisions along weather lines….not like climate, for instance.
I got Mike_Yoder suspended from twitter. BOOM.
Video of some of the coordination during the Jan. 6 insurrection, and discussion of building plans that they had access to during the occupation. Pink hat lady has apparently been identified as of today:
ok, so it refused the link to twitter.
Have no fear, Mish. Soon, all speech will comply the propaganda of the State. Even that dangerous man Ron Paul was banned from Facebook and Twitter. Any with an opposing message will be censored and removed. Turns out that Wells’ 1984 was 36 years too early.
There is a difference between free speech and sedition. And you might want to check who authored 1984.
I have seen no laws passed by Congress and signed by Trump in the past four years that infringe upon my right to free speech. I do see a bunch of people who defended the private property rights of bakers to regulate the messages on their cakes now upset because that’s happening on a much larger scale. Cakes, paper, or Web sites…
I know a very religious Muslim baker. I want you to go to him and order a cake with Mohamed sucking Christ’s dick. When he refuses I want you to go to court to force him to do it. Also put my name as beneficiary on your life insurance policy. Attacking the weak is despicable.
You need to get off the internet. For your own good.
Now what if it turns out that certain groups of the insurrectionists were given tours of the Capitol sponsored by certain House or Senate members who were hoping to have those insurrectionists place “pressure” on the House and Senate?
Coming soon to a report near you.
Any evidence for this?
Two federal watchdogs are opening investigations into last week’s breach of the Capitol — including one looking at the potential involvement of Republican legislators. The New York Times reported the probes Wednesday.
The Government Accountability Office, the nonpartisan congressional body, has indicated it will investigate whether members of Congress played any role in inciting the rioters that attacked the Capitol last week, Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO) told the Times.
Crow, who requested the investigation, said on MSNBC Monday morning that “it’s been shown that folks that were given tours of the Capitol were involved in the assault,” but he declined to get into specifics, citing a potential investigation.
“To the extent there were members of the House that were complicit, and I believe there were, we will pursue appropriate remedies including expulsion and a prohibitions from holding elective office for the rest of their lives,” Crow told the Times.
“They will of course be subject to criminal investigation and prosecution if that’s what the facts of the investigation show.”
The inspector general of the Capitol Police will also investigate the security breaches of the building, the Times said, citing an unnamed congressional aide with knowledge of the probe.
The investigations come after multiple Democratic members of Congress accused GOP lawmakers of abetting the insurrection. It also follows reporting that the Capitol Police have suspended three officers and are investigating 17 others for their actions on Jan. 6.
On Tuesday, Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-NJ) said without offering specifics that some members of Congress had hosted people on tours of the Capitol building on Jan. 5, the day before the insurrection, calling it “reconnaissance for the next day.”
Sherrill said in a Wednesday letter that the tours were “so concerning that they were reported to the Sergeant at arms on January 5.”
They had to investigate because she complained but investigating is not synonymous to finding proof.
Look Doug, if you’re having reading comprehension problems, you should talk to a reading tutor.
… it will investigate whether members of Congress played any role in inciting the rioters that attacked the Capitol last week, Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO) told the Times.
Crow, who requested the investigation, said on MSNBC Monday morning that “it’s been shown that folks that were given tours of the Capitol were involved in the assault,” but he declined to get into specifics, citing a potential investigation.
Nowhere did anyone say it was proven fact YET.
Yes Rep Crow said that that happened and an investigation is taking place. She also said on MSNBC that some on the tour were involved in the assault. Nobody running the investigation has said that too. Has the investigation reached a conclusion? No it hasn’t. Will they find something? I don’t know. Nowhere does it say that there is conformation. You confused a representatives words on TV as proof when that might not be necessarily the case. Honestly you should have caught the distinction between allegation and condemnation . Are you a native English speaker? That could explain your missing the obvious.
Jason Crow is a male. Not a she.
Reading comprehension, again….?
There is help out there for that.
I made no allegations, I said that there were reports of this happening.
It’s being investigated.
And your point is ??
Might have been nice if the cancel culture crowd had begun handling a lot of this type of stuff about three years ago when it started from the progressive side. Where is the trial for the speech that set off some guy to drive to DC to shoot up baseball practice and other such garbage like the guy driving into a crowd at Charlottesville. These hashtags shouldn’t surprise anyone because they are pretty much taken out of the French Revolution. Much of the language we heard over the last three years has reminded my very much of that historical period. No ones hands are clean in it either and we need to stop pretending they are. The whole country is exactly like the Jan 6 crowd to some degree except for libertarians.
Thanks, Libertarian, for the opinion.
The Invention—and Reinvention—of Impeachment
It’s the ultimate political weapon. But we’ve never agreed on what it’s for. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/28/the-invention-and-reinvention-of-impeachment
So Facebook shutting down Ron Paul’s page makes sense too ???
Ron Paul and his supporters usually get clumped into these actions. Remember the MIAC Report and various homeland security reports that defined possible domestic terrorists to include guys with Ron Paul stickers on their cars?
I just replied to a post on Ron Paul’s FB page this morning. He’s still yelling about freedom of speech and railing against the Fed as per usual. You really should verify what the memes tell you because they’re not always truthful.
I suspect that the idiots calling for civil war 2021 have been emboldened by two assumptions:
That their dear leader controls the military and can federalize the national guard, and will never use it against them
That tradition and rules strongly prevent the military from getting involved in domestic disputes
The extraordinary memo yesterday by the Joint Chiefs of Staff (which was a punch in the face to trump’s new political appointees there) indicated to me pretty clearly, among other things that it more directly asserted, that this military and national guard WILL get involved in cases of organized, threatening domestic sedition, and put them down hard and fast. In other words, the fantasy civil war 2021 of the seditionist deplorables has been given a warning shot.
They had better really think about what they are doing. This memo yesterday was the most comforting thing I’ve seen during this fiasco, and I think it was absolutely needed.
I agree, and I was glad to see it.
This is corporate war with no rules. With a bunch of bots you can generate any type of traffic you want. You can do that with any site. THINK
“THINK”
You might want to take your own advice. Did you try to sign up to Parler. You need to give them a phone number to even join, and SSN if you want verification.
But you’re not really arguing in good faith, since I’ve seen at least 2 comments from you on this site subtly advocating for political violence and intimidation.
I have never been on twitter nor Facebook. Never been on Parler either so your attempt at intimidation won’t work. I leave those those platforms to those who need them for their social contact. Now give me those quotes you say you have and we will talk about them. Show me the comments Louis.
Let me get this right. Somebody who works at twitter hacks Parler and downloads all their data. Twitter and friends then takes down Parler. The twitter hacker then comes up with all kinds of bad things people supposedly said on Parler to justify their eliminating a competitor. Then they claim it was done as a public service and that their motives are pure. Said analysis is then spread out to captive sites of influencers in order to get the message out. No analysis of Twitter’s tweets for comparisons to Parler is allowed. Sounds fishy.
I don’t think anyone disputes that more of the planning for January 6 took place on Facebook and Twitter than on Parler. The question is, was it an extraordinarily high percentage of Parler’s content? Does Parler have a huge flow of other content not related to violence? That I can’t answer.
The analysis was done by twitter and it gives twitter’s conclusion but as far as I know twitter didn’t publish the raw data nor methods used to arrive at their conclusion. If this were a scientific study it would be thrown out. If they don’t publish these things it cannot be considered as proof. It is just opinion.
It was not a true hack, i.e. using someone else credentials. They just used Parler’s own APIs to get the information they wanted.
Does that change anything?
Yes, they did nothing illegal.
convincing blockheads….a fckn thankless task…
Just to be clear. They did not steal credentials, they did not circumvent website security. They just used the APIs as published. Now the fact that the engineers at Parler were morons that could not think two steps ahead does not implicate the researchers in any wrong doing. That is why they freely talk about it.
Then I should have said “acquired” if it wasn’t illegal.
There shouldn’t be legal consequences because there may be illegal consequences.
Is this the law and order party?
If these horrific words lead to several broken windows and someone’s feet on Pelosi’s desk, which words lead to the destruction and arson of so many houses and shops during the BLM-Antifa riots ? Will a “Anonymous Data Scientist” tell us ?
The problem is that it is one sided. Calling Americans white worshipers is racist hate speech that should never be condoned.
There is more than enough hate speech on all sides…..the problem is the medium, and what it does to reinforce crowd behavior online.
I’m white, okay….an old white man. When I hear some idiot going on about white privilege and restoring equity and all that BS, it makes me want to spit. But….I don’t go on Twitter or Parler and try to stir up a Lynch mob.
The problem isn’t that it’s one sided…..the problem is that everybody is picking a side…..and getting ready to take up arms a do a variety of stupid shit in public.
So both sides are doing that. Are you suggesting that makes is appropriate? What specifically do you suggest to remedy the problem?
I’m certainly not suggesting that extreme behavior is appropriate for anybody.
What I’ trying to do….for anybody who is listening….is to identify the real problem……which is not what most people think it is..
It isn’t politics per se……it has to do with the way the internet works,
I suggest people read Jaron Lanier……who has written fairly extensively about Web 2.0 and the problems built into it.
He wrote Who Owns the Future…..and Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts.
January 6th wasn’t an intelligence failure. It was a failure to act on intelligence. I’m not so woried about driving the Parler and QAnon followers underground. I’d rather not make such echo chambers so readily accessible which I think will do more to prevent more Ashli Babbitts
My guess is everyone who was in the know was afraid of trumps wrath.
Whenever you make something illegal you drive the behavior underground. Civil rights laws did not make racism disappear, it was driven underground. Only Trump’s actions have made it seem socially acceptable again.
who cares. i make it illegal to discriminate it less likely to occur. if i don’t get hired due to discrimination i can sue. so yes civil rights laws help
Mish, with all respect, don’t you think you are contributing too much to the current ‘blowing up things’ hype ? I mean, people express a lot of frustration on social media, that s what modern society is about innit? That s what moguls created and that s what they got ! There s a difference though between talking the talk and walking the walk, so please, don t appease your audience for the mere sake of appeasing them, let s face REALITY for once and for a couple of weeks ,NOTHING, really nothing, dramatic took place in the US of A, unlike what corrupt and biased media want us to believe ! You, of all people, don t belong to them, do you ?
These are more than just frustrations. Death threats, sedition, civil war. These aren’t just people mouthing off with all talk and no action. In your words people did “walk the walk”.
January 6th show that a non insignificant proportion desire to act along the lines of their talk. There are countless discussion mediums online and offline. I believe in free speech but I don’t believe in hate speech. The recent events in the US just add to a very long line of past occurrences where fervent hated propaganda has lead to deaths and catastrophe.
No, in fact they didn t walk the walk! It could and maybe should ve been much worse , BLM applied much more violence affecting individuals and small business mostly …..but that is ok of course …as long as they don t attack Sacred Temples of Corruption !
…should’ve been much worse…
Go buy an AK 47 and crash through the Berlaymont doors screaming about your rights to overturn the EU.
Let us know how that goes.
don t cherry pick my words; I said MAYBE, leaving it up to the people involved ! Although I understand what s going on, I am not American after all…
But I understand from what you have posted that you want to overthrow the EU and take hostages and perhaps hang a few of them.
If or when the opportunity arises some day, I might just as well join the revolt….It won t happen any time soon though as long as out of the blue created money manages to dope and dupe the masses….
Hmmm, I wonder what it takes to attract the EU counter-terrorism internet force searches…
Weak trolling.
Surprised Mish has allowed this troll to keep on ranting.
Yours ain’t ‘rant’ then ? Very full of yourself aren t you?
And Big Tech thought it was OK for Kathy Griffin to post a picture of herself holding Trump severed head on Instagram. You can’t have it both ways.
Social media can certainly contribute to bad behavior by left-wing extremists…or any other kind of groupthink that can attract a mass audience.
The only reason Parler has become a right-wing sewer is because the people running the show at Google, FB, etc. are themselves more left leaning and prep more tolerant to extremism that is more in line with their own ideas…..I never meant to say that isn’t real….
And it’s because Trumpism has been on the rise…it’s big and growing….front and center…..and it gets blowback…..for its racism and intolerance and violence.
It’s what you’d expect….just like the guy with the printing press go to set the political tone for his own newspaper, the CEO of some social media site has control of the slant of his site.
It’s the medium I’m criticizing. I am not a leftie..but this week I’m more worried about the right….because they’re behaving badly. On some other day I’m happy to take aim at BLM or Antifa….neither of which is any less extreme or stupid than what the extreme righties are….
Social media is a tool of all these groups. And not a force for good, most of the time.
“perhaps more tolerant”
People who defend these platforms claiming freedom of speech need to have their heads examined.
And the only reason the bad guys were on Parler is because Twitter was forced to begin to clean up their act. I’m not active on any social media platform. I consider them all a pox on the land.
There isn’t anything fundamentally different between these platforms…..just a matter of how much hate they were willing to tolerate….and the business model favors more, not less.
And Twitter was quite willing to tolerate a lot…..for a long time….I can remember it wasn’t that long ago that the shift started to Parler. Parler owes whatever financial success they’ve had to the (until very recently) very modest attempts by Twitter and FB to reign in the worst of the angry mob behavior against Democrats and people perceived as “the left”….
Social media is not very well understood…it should be understood as a virtual incubator for the madness of crowds…..where people can try to outdo each other with calls for violence and mayhem.
“In reading The History of Nations, we find that, like individuals, they have their whims and their peculiarities, their seasons of excitement and recklessness, when they care not what they do. We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first.”
― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
I closed all my accounts last year. I don’t miss the toxicity of Facebook and Twitter.
Moguls created an ugly free speech MONSTER and became billionaires ! Now the same moguls want to reign in the masses from using the monster unless they abide by leftist, socially and politically abused rules…..and I think to myself ….WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD !
You have too much to lose not to care what’s going on.
Note that while I defend the right of these places to exist, I also think it is appropriate to enforce the law against those that break laws. I agree with enforcing the sedition laws.
Remember that even though there may be some violent posts, there is a lot more than that going on. I’ve never seen anything on Parler, so I can’t comment on it, but I did create an account on Gab. I find groups there where I can discuss homeschooling, fasting, bee-keeping, dieting, meat eating, rural living, art, cooking, gaming, steam, retro-gaming, poetry, various religions, and many other things. Yes, there are pro-Trump groups, and what appears to be a Q-Anon group. All in all, it reminds me a lot of the old days of usenet and news browsers. Who here remembers access groups like alt.beekeeping? What is old is new again, I guess.
As for specific posts, Gab is still struggling under the weight of adding 500,000 new users a day. While I can see the titles of the groups, I haven’t been able to actually read any posts. I am guessing that if i look hard, I will eventually be able to find some violent posts. I also know that Gab does claim to try to delete them, and they have a procedure for reporting inappropriate posts.
Fascinating article Mish! So when do these QAnon types start selling the idea Parler was a deep state tool to track them?
These Parler QAnon idiots clearly don’t know Donald Trump. Their views of Donald Trump being this deep state warrior forgets the fact that Trump was dependent on George Soros’s money to build things like the Chicago Trump Tower, which Soros was a major investor. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2004-10-28-0410280265-story.html
They ignore Trump has successfully pushed more gun control than the last idiot which includes the bump stock ban and FIX NICS, with most recently the Trump administration banning the honey badger. They ignore Trump pushed for federal gun confiscation laws. Their entire view of Trump is based on a lie.
The lynch apparatus was a prop which very few people took notice of. Photo purposely angled to make it look like it was surrounded. What would be interesting is to compare the volume of same hashtags from FB and twitter and compare with parler. Next look at Jan 1-10 and compare volume of threats against Congress people from twitter, FB and parler. Next take summer time frame when BLM protests were at their peak and do the same comparison. At end of day, volume and reach of threats is a greater issue than concentration within a relatively new app on a given day.
“Loser terrorists must be dealt with in a much tougher manner. The internet is their main recruitment tool which we must cut off & use better!” Donald Trump, Twitter September 2017
But few go after the left for their bad behavior. The rioting and vandalism and violence of this past year by anitfa, etc. was not condemned by the left. (Outside looking in on America and praying for America.)