War cancelled again, peace talks on, supposedly.
Peace Deal Could Be Signed ‘in Coming Days’ Whenever Trump Capitulates
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Cancels Iran Strikes, Says Peace Deal Could Be Signed in ‘Coming Days’
President Trump on Thursday insisted the U.S. was nearing a deal on peace talks with Iran, pulling back from his threats just hours earlier to launch more military strikes and seize Iran’s oil infrastructure.
Trump said Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei had signed off on the plan, which he said would be completed in coming days, paving the way for additional talks on Iran’s nuclear program.
“Iran hasn’t reached a final conclusion about the agreement,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei said, according to state media. “We will announce it when we reach a conclusion.”
Early Thursday, Trump threatened to launch another wave of military strikes to try to force Iran to agree to his terms on a nuclear deal. He said the U.S. military would seize Kharg Island and other oil infrastructure “and assume total control of their Oil and Gas Markets.” Hours later, however, he abruptly reversed course, declaring a deal was at hand and that Iran would be spared.
Also on Thursday, a delegation from Qatar, which is a mediator in the talks to wind down the war, had returned from a trip to Tehran with new language to be incorporated in the draft under discussion between Iran and the U.S., people familiar with the matter said.
U.S. officials said Trump received word that Tehran had come closer to meeting his nuclear demands. Trump told his aides it was enough to call off the attack—at least for now—giving time to complete a memorandum of understanding and set up a signing ceremony in Europe as soon as this weekend, the officials said.
War Over Again
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The Iran Hot Line
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About Trump’s Oil Claim
I see things are back to normal tonight.
In case you missed it, please see Trump’s Stated Preference Today Is to Steal Iran’s Oil, Literally
Trump made his most believable statement ever today.
Yet another false claim by Trump.
Add this to the false claims that “we won” on day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7 etc.
Or: Irans oil infrastructure was going be full and explode in three, two, one. Interesting that without a military they can shoot down Apache helicopters
Tons of nonsense and lies. It reminds me of a WWF style script written by those war mongers at Fox News. They never met a war they did not like. Reality is suspended as Trump flashes across their screens to the MAGA simpletons.
Suspended disbelief for a 30% and falling number of cult members.
Trump, Not Netanyahu, Has the Cards. He Should Play ThemUpcoming Israeli elections give the U.S. president leverage he can use.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/trump-not-netanyahu-has-the-cards-he-should-play-them/
Iran is in no hurry. I think they will wait until after the midterm elections when Trump will be in a much weaker position.
If you still support Trump– please stop voting. You are proof that what we call Democracy does not work. Of course I could say the same for most who vote for Democrats. “Democracy” has failed in America. The founding fathers recognized that a morally corrupted, ignorant population could not sustain a free society. Social engineering on a massive scale has transformed America for the worse. Control of all of our major Institutions, both public and private, by evil and powerful forces- has given us the illusion of freedom and democracy, but it really no longer exists. That is America today. Our diminished prosperity is soon to be diminished a lot more.
‘Capitalism…is no longer the progressive force described by Marx’; the free market era ‘has been followed by a new one in which production is concentrated in vast syndicates and trusts which aim at monopoly control’. Giant multinational technology companies ‘freeze out other competition to forestall independent technological innovation’. Financial control ‘has passed from the industrialists themselves to a handful of banking conglomerates – the creation of a banking oligarch.
Lenin
Perhaps we should start talking about what we should have instead. I can’t make any direct suggestion, but I do think that we need to recognize something I have been banging on about for a long time: government is always a deal between soldiers (who live by the use and threat of force) and priests (who live by the use of some religion – some falsehood that enough of the public believe).
The priests have dominated this arrangement for quite a while. Before that, there was a bit of an interregnum, because Christianity collapsed following the publication of ‘The Origin of Species,’ and it took time for Education to build up its strength and take its place. From what I can make out, that was a time of rapid advance in Western civilization.
Note that, if the picture we have of earlier times is anything like accurate, the soldiers in the form of royal houses (descended from military leaders) dominated the governments of Europe for centuries while Christianity was the dominant religion. The priests were there, and they mattered, because they could read, write, and probably do sums. But the soldiers were in charge.
In more recent times, the priests in the form of people trained in Arts-type subjects have been trading on the achievements of physical scientists and engineers, pretending that they too are wise and knowledgeable.
I suggest that the simplest way out would be for military men to take over again. Democracy is moribund: it needs to take a back step. The concepts of individual rights and equality before the law need not disappear as well: it is only the artful teaching of the priests that makes us think that these things depend on democracy. In fact, and according to Machiavelli, a “people” (democracy) can often be more unjust than a “prince” (royal government).
You Americans had a very bad experience under George III. The Romans had a bad experience under the Tarquins, and that led them to establish a republic that lasted for centuries. But it eventually became a royal government under the Caesars.
I think that if people could be brought to understand the principle, that government is always and necessarily made up of soldiers and priests, then other people, smarter than me, and with more practical experience, might do a better job of devising an improved system.
“Trump said Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei had signed off on the plan…”
Trump has said in the past, and several times, that getting information to and from Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei takes a long time. So we are to believe Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei changed his mind, and that’s after Trump attacked Iran twice within four days? The timing of this announcement is suspect, and I don’t believe Iran would sign an MOU just on the grounds that Trump hasn’t learned his lesson yet (I mean he did just attacked Iran in less than 48hrs).
Or is Trump is willing to agree to anything Iran demands to get out of this war? Well it’s a little to late for that now, isn’t Donny? I can’t see Trump walking away from this with everything invested in it without even a crumb to show the world he succeeded at something for this.
Trump also stated that Netanyahu thanked him today for his commitment for the MOU, yet Netanyahu stated this to the Israeli press;
“Although Israel is not a party to the memorandum of understanding,” says the PMO, “the prime minister expressed his appreciation for President Trump’s commitment that the final agreement reached at the conclusion of the negotiations will include the removal of enriched material, the dismantling of enrichment infrastructure, limitations on missile production, and the cessation of Iran’s support for its terrorist proxies in the region.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-israel-not-party-to-iran-deal-but-praises-trump-for-commitment-to-thwarting-nukes/
Is Iran gonna make a deal where they leave the issue of Lebanon and Gaza to rest (I assume that’s what “Israel is not a party to the memorandum” – aka Israel wont be bound by it and will keep attacking).
Or is this a deal where Trump abandons Israel by not addressing none of what Netanyahu said above, which I might add was the whole reason for this war to begin with. If this is indeed the path taken the constraints of the MOU wont last. It won’t last because Israel isn’t finished with Lebanon or Gaza, and I can’t see Itan going silent on that.
There is one significant difference from the past and current statements of Trump. Trump said it take 30 days for the US blockade to be removed. His current wording is that if this is signed the US blockade will be removed the day the MOU is signed. I doubt that will be the carrot that gets Iran to sign. In the end I’m calling BS on this, for there’s to many inconsistencies still to actually believe it’s real.
Unfortunately, our deranged president has lied so much that he honestly doesn’t know the truth even when he is staring him in the face. Moreover, his “chickening” out has produced $millions for his billionaire buddies who are using the futures market to make substantial sums by knowing where and when to place their short-term bets.
“the war is over” hell its just evolving as it has been for the last how many decades?
The Iran-backed hacker group Hanzala claimed on Thursday that it had breached water infrastructure systems in California in response to what it described as a US attack on Iranian civilians and water facilities, according to Iranian media.-Iran Intl
https://bsky.app/profile/shipwreck75.bsky.social/post/3mo2qvxsnjk2a
He’s always been a liar, but now he’s lost his marbles. Every day – confabulating.
And people voted for this clown not once.
Not twice.
But THREE times!!!!
Americans are dumb.