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Another Debt Ceiling Non Crisis Deja Vu Or Does This One Matter?

Debt Ceiling Deja Vu

Economic Catastrophe! Time Running Out! 6 MIllion Jobs!

Fox News: Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen renewed her call for Congress to raise or suspend the nation’s debt before October, warning that failure to do so could trigger an unprecedented financial crisis in the U.S.

WaPo: Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, found that a prolonged impasse over the debt ceiling would cost the U.S. economy up to 6 million jobs, wipe out as much as $15 trillion in household wealth, and send the unemployment rate surging to roughly 9 percent from around 5 percent.

WaPo: “Stock prices would be cut almost in one-third at the worst of the selloff, wiping out $15 trillion in household wealth,”a Moody’s report finds. 

How many times have we heard such talk? 

Congress and the White House have changed the debt ceiling almost 100 times since the end of World War II, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. 

Most of the time there is no brinkmanship but today we have it.

Time On the Clock

Time isn’t quite yet running out. 

The US will not turn into a pumpkin on Oct 1.

There might be a partial shutdown of some items on Oct 1. However, Moody’s “best estimate” is the critical date is Oct. 20. That when Social Security checks would stop or the US would stop interest payments.

October 20 is about a month away. That’s a long time in politics.

U.S. House Approves Bill to Suspend Debt Limit

Tuesday evening, Reuters reported U.S. House Approves Bill to Suspend Debt Limit

Democrats in the House of Representatives passed a bill on Tuesday to fund the U.S. government through Dec. 3 and suspend the nation’s borrowing limit until the end of 2022, sending it to the Senate where Republicans have vowed to block it.

The House vote was 220-211 along party lines. It was unclear how soon the Senate would act.

After the House vote, McConnell and fellow Republican Senator Richard Shelby said they had introduced a bill to fund current government operations through Dec. 3, but without raising the debt limit.

Republicans said they would support a temporary spending bill to avert a shutdown if the debt limit extension were stripped out of the bill.

Showdown Looms

Bloomberg reports Democrats Push to Suspend Debt Ceiling as GOP Balks

In a sign of its expected defeat in the Senate, top Appropriations Committee Republican Richard Shelby announced he would vote against the bill over the debt ceiling increase.

The stopgap bill would prevent a shutdown of most U.S. federal agencies and keep them operating through Dec. 3.

The bill also contains $28.6 billion for recovery from a series of hurricanes and wildfires as well as $6.3 billion to resettle refugees from the U.S. war in Afghanistan.

Oklahoma Republican Tom Cole, the ranking Republican on the House Rules Committee, said there is “broad bipartisan” agreement on the stopgap spending bill and disaster aid portions of the bill.

“Attaching the debt ceiling is another matter altogether,” he said. “With all due respect I would not write a blank check for my family or friends and I am certainly not going to do so for the Democratic party.”

Whose Responsibility Is This Mess?

Republicans claim this is the Democrats’ responsibility. That sounds accurate, but it isn’t. 

The debt ceiling has been breached due to past commitments and the Trump tax cuts played a part. 

It’s not just the $4.5 trillion the Democrats want to spend. And Republicans already signed on to $1 trillion of that $4.5 trillion. 

However, Republicans do have genuine concerns about giving the Democrats a blank check on future funding. 

What About Reconciliation?

Democrats can pass the bill by reconciliation if they can come up with a bill that all 50 Democrat Senators will support.

That is the path Republicans want to force Democrats to take, but it is potentially dangerous one for Republicans. 

Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema could get upset McConnell’s strategy.

One Way or Another – No Default

Republican Senator Chuck Grassley said his party could avoid blame for a failed vote on the debt ceiling and government funding, if Democrats requested unanimous consent to pass the measures with a simple majority vote, skipping the procedural step that requires a supermajority of 60 votes.

One way or another, the US will not default. The most likely ways are a stopgap measure buying more time or unanimous consent.

Will This Matter? 

A friend of mine asked me that the other day. This was my response:

Generally no. It’s all grand theater. Yellen is saying by the end of September or beginning of October but it’s really more like mid-to-late October. That’s a decent chunk of time for someone to blink.

Republicans got very burned on this once, now it’s the Democrats turn. Most likely they will propose some small spending item Republicans can go along with and the Republicans will.

Potentially Explosive Mix

However, it’s important not to underestimate how totally unrelated things can change the setup.

What’s happening in China might be a very big deal. And if the Evergrande collapse in China does not fizzle, then worries over minor concerns like this debt ceiling can take unusual and unwarranted importance.

Stock market psychology is very important.

In addition to debt ceiling concerns, here are the pending items: An infrastructure package, another $3.5 trillion on top of that, tax hikes, and AOC’s demand for 80% clean energy by 2030.

This is a potentially explosive mix on top of a massive stock market overvaluation issue.

Things like the debt ceiling that would otherwise not matter and should not matter, suddenly do, and for periods long after the alleged crisis is averted. 

A psychology change away from risk will be very important and it’s guaranteed to happen at some point. 

If it happens now, some will blame the debt crisis, others China, but stock market greater fool exhaustion will be as good an answer as any.

16 Tons

The lead image is from a 2017 article RAISE THE ROOF, OR AT LEAST THE DEBT CEILING.

Amusingly, the debt ceiling then was 19.8 trillion. It’s over $28 trillion now. 

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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
The “problem” is specifically that “we” won’t default. 
There is nothing “catastrophic” about not being forced to toil like slaves to pay for a bunch of rank idiots’ attempts at playing Dear Leader by filling the world with bomb craters. On the contrary: Responding properly to the kind of nonsense Yellen is spouting, is exactly why the Creator gave man a middle finger to raise.
Those whose signatures are on the loan docs, should pay to the best of their ability, I suppose. Along with those, like Yellen, who thinks not doing so is such a horror. As for the rest: If your signature is not on the loan, it’s not your loan to pay.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

France just announced that it is sending the ambassadors
back to their posts. That was quick. Lack of support from the other EU states
had become obvious. Macron is feeling screwed by a lot of people these days.

njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It’s a hard, cruel world when all you can deliver is a sub-standard, hacked, over-priced and delayed product.
Do you feel better now…fee-fees happy?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr

I am not French so it is no problem for me. My wife however
is French and I have had an earful of what she thinks of Biden, the UK, Australia and
submarines.

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr

A wise man once said:

If you know nothing
and do not speak then you are wise. If you think you know but are unsure and
you say nothing you are also wise. If you are sure and yet you still say
nothing then you are married

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“Democrats in the House of Representatives passed a bill on Tuesday to fund the U.S. government through Dec. 3 and suspend the nation’s borrowing limit until the end of 2022”
AKA immediately after mid term election.  Allows for next “crisis” to be handled in a  lame duck session … when it won’t matter “politically”.
How about a September 2022 extension??
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Obviously, that’s why they picked that date. I doubt the senate will agree to a date instead of a dollar amount.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

I wrote sixteen comments and what do I get

Only one reply and that was a threat

Oh Mish let me tell you I can’t go

I owe my soul to the media whores

Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I actually heard that in my head in Tennessee Ernie Ford’s voice.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Corvinus

. Then my artistic endeavor was worth it. You, Sir are a gentleman and a scholar. 

TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
4 years ago
Deficits DO. NOT. MATTER. …and the whole issue of the national “debt” is a ruse. The monopolistic paradigm of Debt Only is at the root of our economic problems. Integrate monetary gifting strategically into the Debt Only based system with a monthly universal dividend and a 50% discount/rebate policy at the point of retail sale and all of the major problems in economics will be resolved (chronic individual monetary scarcity, idiot fiscal austerity and price and asset inflation) and we can begin to re-industrialize (take that China) and adequately confront climate change. Don’t be a dupe, change the monetary and financial paradigm and lets evolve instead of be continually aggravated and die.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Economic Catastrophe! Time Running Out! 6 Million Jobs!”
Before the time the treasury gets down to its last George Washington, under the sofa in Janet Yellen’s office, the debt ceiling will have been raised again, for the umpteenth time.
Kabuki Theater, notwithstanding.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
In 1913, on the eve of WWI, no one expected conditions in Germany to deteriorate as much as they did in the following 32 years. But they did, especially for its Jewish residents. When war broke out the following year, the German government issued bonds to pay for it instead of raising taxes and when the bond market could no longer absorb additional debt at reasonable interest rates, the government just printed more money (quantitative easing?). Germany lost the war and the allies levied reparations on the German government (132 billion gold marks or $33 billion US dollars based on the old gold standard exchange rates). At the time, the reparations seemed huge, but they pale by comparison to the official US nation debt of over $28 TRILLION, a figure which does not include unfunded US government financial liabilities. 
I got my first lesson on inflation at about the age of 9 when I started to collect stamps. I became an instant billionaire when measured in the highly inflated German marks of 1923. One can only speculate as to how bad things will get in the US. We have already experienced our own putsch (January 6, 2021). Not only has the US resorted to debt pay for many of its financial obligations in the past two decades, it has also cut Federal income taxes three times, twice under Bush 43 and once under Trump.   
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
I noticed that 6.3 billion to resettle Afghan refugees.
Exactly how many are we resettling??? If it’s all 125,000 who were evacuated and all are coming to the US and each one costs 50K that gives ~6.3 billion dollars.
Are we really resettling every last one here in America and does it really cost 50K per person (so a family of 4 would cost a 200K to resettle)? There must be incredible graft going on with this scam because actual US citizens who are poor/homeless don’t get anywhere near that kind of money.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Interesting. Social Security payments would cease. That’s an outright admission that Social Security is pay as you go, and that it has no reserve. If there was a reserve, the payments would be made from the reserve, and not create debt, would thus be unaffected by the inability to create additional debt. Not that we didn’t know that; I’ve just never seen a black and white admission of the fact.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
From the beginning of the program, FICA payments into the system could only be invested in non-marketable US government debt obligations. When the US defaults on its debt, it will not have the cash to pay principal or interest.
jhrodd
jhrodd
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
It’s not a secret that the SS Trust Funds are invested in Treasury securities.  The SSA won’t be able to redeem those bonds to help make benefit payments if the Government defaults on its debts.  In that event SS payments will be the least of our worries.
PostCambrian
PostCambrian
4 years ago
Since the Fed has so many US Treasuries, they could just request no payment of interest or principal and/or accept an IOU from the US government in an off the books transaction. The many trillions could keep the government going for a while.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
The real issue is Congress’ inability to live within its means. Left or right, they will never do that until the people rise up. Oh wait, they rose up on Jan 6th. A lot of ‘violent rioters’ are still in jail, without a trial. The lesson is clear. Sit down, shut up, take your vax, and wear your silly little mask.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
There’s no way to balance the budget. If they tried, all the tax money would go to entitlements and interest. There would be no money left for the government. Many would think this would be a good thing, but I think once unemployment hit 50%, people would think differently.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Like those people at the Capitol were anything other than tailgating Trump brown shirts….
I have a hard time understanding what kind of good outcome you think might have come out of Jan.6, other than maybe turning a bad President into a permanent dictator-for life. Is that what you wanted?
Have you ever heard of the Reichstag fire? The resemblance of Jan. 6 to the Reichstag fire is such an obvious comparison that I’m surprised more isn’t written about it. 
Do you ever think things through to their logical conclusions? 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Stop the absurd hyperbole. There’s no way Trump would have become a dictator for life. Nor were the protestors any threat to democracy.
And it’s completely unfair that BLM riots that resulted in far more deaths than the 1 person murdered at the capital and destruction of many inner cities has a far lower arrest rate than what happened on Jan 6th. And many are being unfairly detained for their role.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
And exactly what is your sense of unassailable political stability in this country based on? Not history, that’s for damn sure. What I feared and still fear is exactly what happened in Europe just shy of 90 years ago, which many fools also thought could not happen…but it led to the worst war on record.
The people who stormed the capital were a sad rabble stirred up by Trump. They managed to get some people killed and smeared some sh*t on the walls. The idea that they were some kind of legitimate protesters is completely absurd.
What has BLM got to do with it? It’s not related. Typical Trumpite whataboutism.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Eddie, there is no comparison at all. You are not thinking things through to a logical conclusion.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Oh, yes there is, my friend. You are sadly mistaken.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
You are fantasizing.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
FYI, I am not claiming that Jan 6 was a good thing or a bad thing. However, it was an event of great significance. People reacted to a situation they did not agree with. It was no different than Occupy, or BLM. What is important (and different) is the message conveyed: “You will believe only what we tell you. We will not tolerate interference in our plans.  You, the public, have no role, unless it plays strictly to our agenda.”
It is clear that you and many others here believe that your government always knows what is best, and is always to be believed, no matter what.  In fact, government seldom knows what is best, or cares what happens to its people. The situation in the US is dire, as a culture. 50% of the people are adamantly opposed to the other 50%. We spend our time on Facebook–distracted from the fundamental issue: there is no unity of purpose. The shocking thing is that out of 330+ million people, the best you YOU come up with is Trump and Biden. Despite what you might think of my politics, I do not have a horse in the race.
Finally, governments seeking CONTROL of the mind and body of the populace is not a conspiracy. They have done it since Ancient Egypt, and perhaps earlier, but the record is sparse.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
January 6 was more like the Nov. 1923 Nazi putsch. A few people went to jail for a short period of time and Germany received some foreign financial assistance. But millions of Germans had lost their life savings in the collapse of the local currency. During the Great Depression, millions of Germans lost their jobs. It is not a surprise to me that the Nazi party won a plurality of votes in two national elections in 1932.  By the time of the Reichstag fire, Hitler was already Chancellor of Germany.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
The debt ceiling WILL be raised – as always.  It is just that the super-rich want to make sure that the regular Americans are squeezed as much as possible before that takes place and their own assets are protected.
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Not sure why anyone listens to Mark Zandi.  But then again El-Erian, Fauci…
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
What will happen is non-essential government employees will get paid time off starting Oct 1st. They’ll complain about the uncertainty of it all. Contractors, who do all the work, will either get stiffed or if they’re in IT and hence essential, will have to do maintenance things. They can’t make improvements on anything. So, instead of adding a feature to some software, they’ll be reading books about SQL Server 2008 or XML so they can put something in their monthly deliverable report. They can only maintain systems that no one will be using because the users are all non essential.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
We the voters could live without all the stupid brinksmanship, which everybody knows is a complete sham, and only hurts the people who depend on the government for their paychecks.
Is anybody really snowed by this kind of partisan grandstanding? No.
Does it benefit anybody at all. No.
It would be nice if they could just do what has has to be done and stop throwing tantrums.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
What has to be done is balance the budget rather than continually raising the debt ceiling.
Sadly none of them want to do that.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
We’re so way past that now……it’s not about to ever happen.
We have all these True Believers now willing to follow Trump, or some similar ranting populist, to the ends of the earth. We have the Peter Thiels and Robert Mercers willing to bankroll then to the tune of tens (if not hundreds)  of millions of dollars. Too bad we don’t have a large voting bloc that could instead get behind term limits, balanced budgets, and taking big money out of politics.
The Parties control the narratives and the candidates only want power……for which they sell their souls to the big money.
We know how to fix this….but there is no political will for it. It’s sad to see our country go down the tubes because big money, television and social media have perverted our system to the breaking point.
We have lots of people on the right willing to burn down DC, but nobody willing to insist on candidates that support fiscal reform or honest politics.
On the other side we have a bunch of campus-trained Marxists who want central planning, UBI, and lots of free stuff…for deserving persons of color and homosexuals and people without the job qualifications to be a decent barista.
It does not make me hopeful at all for my kids and their generation. I’d leave but I don’t see anywhere decent left to run.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I agree we are way past that point of responsible government. Here and everywhere else.
The current system will continue until it can’t. I just hope it can continue until I’m pushing up daisies but like most, I fear it may not.

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