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Bank Contagion Spreads, Shares Plunge Again Despite Fed Assurances the System is Sound

Chart courtesy of FactSet via Wall Street Journal

“The System is Sound” 

Yesterday, in the Fed’s FOMC statement Fed Chair Jerome Powell said “The U.S. banking system is sound and resilient.”

“Sound and Resilient” is a repeat of his statement at the March FOMC meeting. 

If you have to keep repeating that message, what does that say?

KRE Regional Bank Index

KRE Regional Bank Index courtesy off StockCharts.Com

FHN First Horizon 

FNH First Horizon courtesy off StockCharts.Com

Shares of First Horizon are down a whopping 36 percent as of 10:20 Central. FNH cancelled its merger with Toronto-Dominion. TD is flat on the day.

Market Ignores Fed Chair Powell’s Comments, Prices in More Interest Rate Cuts

Earlier this morning I noted Market Ignores Fed Chair Powell’s Comments, Prices in More Interest Rate Cuts

The red May 3 Post-FOMC bars reflect prices well after the market close yesterday with another check just after Midnight on May 4 that showed the same thing.

Press Conference Q&A

At the post FOMC press conference, Michael McKee of Bloomberg asked Fed Chair Jerome Powell “Are you ruling out the rate cuts that the market has prices in?

Powell responded “We on the committee have a view that inflation is going to come down not so quickly. It will take some time. And in that world, if that forecast is broadly right, it would not be appropriate to cut rates and we won’t cut rates. Markets from time to time have been pricing in quite rapid reductions in inflation. We factor that in but that’s not our forecast.

Huge Volatility

Earlier this morning I noted a 13 percent chance of a cut in June on CME Fedwatch

That has now vanished to a 99 percent chance of a pause. 

Is the Worst Over?

At the FOMC press conference yesterday, Powell said he thought the worst was over.

The market does not seem to be convinced of nearly anything Powell says.

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valh
valh
3 years ago
Two failed banks plus one on the bubble, and one insolvent financial institution, located in central California. In the back yard of Fed President Mary Daly. Tone deaf to inflation, she is also blind to bank misconduct. A systemic banking problem, or like unchecked crime in California, a result of lax progressive authority.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
If people would only listen to Powell the banks would be strong and resilient. Please, these are our glorious leaders and represent the best and brightest of us all. Bow down in awe at their glory!
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
That’s looking at it backwards. Louis Stone — whom the movie “Wall
Street” was dedicated to – Vice President Shearson/American Express wasn’t
fooled:

WSJ:
“In a letter of March 15, 1981, Willis Alexander of the American Bankers
Association claims that: ‘Depository Institutions have lost an estimated $100b
in potential consumer deposits alone to the unregulated money market mutual
funds.’

As
any unbiased banker should know, all the money taken in by the money funds goes
right back into the banks, in the form of CDs or bankers’ acceptances or other
money market instruments; there is no net loss of deposits to the banking
system. Complete deregulation of interest rates would simply allow a further
escalation of rates by the banks, all of which compete against each other for
the same total of deposits.”

As Luca Pacioli, a Renaissance man, “The
Father of Accounting and Bookkeeping” famously quipped: (debits on the left and
credits on the right, don’t go to sleep with an imbalance).
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
They’re almost all gone now…but if younger family members or estate sale people were ever dealing with the house after a death of somebody who was an adult during the Depression or similar from ‘the old country’…should not take any coffee can in the basement with rusty screws/nails on the top at face value…
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
And don’t forget to bring the metal detector to the yard for a quick sweep!
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

The banks should follow the old-fashioned
practice of storing their liquidity, instead of buying their liquidity through
open market devices.

All monetary savings, income held beyond the
income period in which received, originate within the payment’s system. The
banks collectively are just paying for something that they already own, demand
deposits shifted into time deposits. It’s a closed system.

We can, if we want, minimize money velocity,
and go back to the days when a savings account was just that – and not an
adjunct to our checking accounts.

Financial
Times – As Sheila Bair said: “It should replace the shock and awe of major
interest rate hikes with new targets based on money supply, and aggressively
shrink its portfolio, selling securities at a loss to do so, if necessary.”

“Should Commercial Banks Accept Savings
Deposits?” Conference on Savings and Residential Financing 1961 Proceedings,
United States Savings and loan league, Chicago, 1961, 42, 43.
“Profit or Loss from Time Deposit Banking”,
Banking and Monetary Studies, Comptroller of the Currency, United States
Treasury Department, Irwin, 1963, pp. 369-386
Link: The riddle of money, finally solved BY
PHILIP GEORGE viz., the corrected money supply
-Michel de Nostredame
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“…Shares Plunge Again Despite Fed Assurances the System is Sound”
Recalls memories of the famous words, confined to subprime.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
If you wanted to wreck the economy, you’d do exactly what Powell is doing.
Waller, Williams, and Logan seem to agree. They
“believe the Fed can keep unloading bonds even when officials cut interest
rates at some future date.”
The
correct response to stagflation is the 1966 Interest Rate Adjustment Act. “while
the aggregate of time and demand deposits continued to increase after July, the
proportion of time to demand deposits diminished. Whereas time deposits were
105 percent of demand deposits in July, by the end of the year, the proportion
had fallen to 98 percent. These were all desirable developments.
”M1 peaked
@137.2 on 1/1/1966 and didn’t exceed that # until 9/1/1967.
Deposit rates of
banks, Reg. Q ceilings, decreased from a high range of 5 1/2 to a low range of
4 % (albeit not enough). A .75% interest rate differential was given to the
nonbanks. And during this period, the unemployment rate and inflation rates
fell. And real interest rates rose. And
there was no recession with an inverted yield curve.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
You are a funny guy … trying to equate Current with mid 1960s*
*No Everything Bubble. No Massive Debt / GDP overhang. Of course, no recession as POTUS Johnson really ramped fedgov spending (“Great Society” + Vietnam War) to smooth things over.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Sure, that’s the same thing everybody said when Dr. Pritchard taught out of an old 1963 book. He was indubitably the smartest man that ever lived.
It’s stock vs. flow. The economic
engine is being run in reverse, Japanese style. Lending by the Reserve and
commercial banks is inflationary (increases the volume and rate of turnover of
money). Whereas lending by the nonbanks is non-inflationary, other things equal
(matching savings with investments). Interest is the price of credit. The price of money is the reciprocal of the price level.
Link: Daniel L. Thornton, Vice President and
Economic Adviser: Research Division, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, Working
Paper Series:

“Monetary Policy: Why Money Matters and
Interest Rates Don’t”

“Today “monetary policy” should be more aptly
named “interest rate policy” because policymakers pay virtually no attention to
money.”

Savings flowing through the nonbanks never left the system, until Jerome Powell.

Contrary to professional economists: there is no “Penalty on Thrift”. The egregious policies are driven by the ABA. See Barron’s:

1) “Forgotten Man? Washington Again Is Threatening to Penalize the Thrifty” Jun. 6, 1966
2) “Up the Down Staircase, The New Economics Doesn’t Know Whether It’s Coming or Going” Sept. 26, 1966
3) “Ceiling Zero. The U.S. Must Take the Lid Off Money Rates” Nov. 26, 1967
4) “Men and Money, Savers of Modest Means Deserve a Decent Return” Jan. 19, 1970
5) “Q Marks the Spot. All Ceilings on Interest Rates Should Be Lifted” Dec. 28, 1970
6) “Maximum Mischief, Ceilings on Interest Rates Must Go” Mar. 13, 1973
7) “Supreme Interest. The Banking Agencies Have Finally Done Something Right” Jul. 23, 1973
8) “No More Wild Cards, Congress Has Dealt Savers Out of the Money Game” Oct. 2, 1973
9) “Poor Joe DiMaggio. It No Longer Pays to Save at the Bowery”” Sept. 22, 1975

The NBFIs are the DFIs’ customers.

-Michel
de Nostredame
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

“The NBFIs are the DFIs’ customers.”

AND their competitors. AND vice versa. (You need to add securitization, as well).
Check the balance sheet of any decent size bank. Chock full of securities (asset backed, mortgage backed, etc) created elsewhere. In some cases more securities than loans on books.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
That’s wrong. Primer: A Deposit’s Life – Fed Guy

Louis Stone — whom the movie “Wall
Street” was dedicated to – Vice President Shearson/American Express wasn’t
fooled:

WSJ:
“In a letter of March 15, 1981, Willis Alexander of the American Bankers
Association claims that: ‘Depository Institutions have lost an estimated $100b
in potential consumer deposits alone to the unregulated money market mutual
funds.’

As
any unbiased banker should know, all the money taken in by the money funds goes
right back into the banks, in the form of CDs or bankers’ acceptances or other
money market instruments; there is no net loss of deposits to the banking
system. Complete deregulation of interest rates would simply allow a further
escalation of rates by the banks, all of which compete against each other for
the same total of deposits.”

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“That’s wrong. Primer: A Deposit’s Life – Fed Guy”
The facts say otherwise.
Anyway, “fed guy” said no legs to banking crisis back in March. No credibility (with me).
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
You have it backwards. You’re talking assets, not liabilities.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Thomas Hoenig said in the WSJ on March 18, 2023 “Another Banking Crisis Was Predictable”
A second quarter 2022 report from the Kansas City Fed notes that “since year-end 2019, U.S. commercial banks increased securities holdings by $2 trillion…The increased holdings were in longer-dated maturities, extending portfolio duration and exposing banks to heightened interest rate risk.” The report notes that rising interest rates have “led to historically high unrealized losses on bank’s “available-for-sale” (AFS) securities portfolios“.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I’ll keep saying it: The Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco is tied into a bunch of these failures. I tried to get the WSJ interested, and nothing. There’s a major scandal hiding in plain sight.
hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Can you please explain that.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  hmk
John Titus – Best Evidence videos on YT.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  hmk
I tried to, but this site censored the comment for no earthly reason. Forget it, then. There are reasons I have scaled back my activity here, and that’s a big one.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Maybe someone is trying to wipe out California before progressives make good on their threats to take the printing press away from the Federal Reserve.
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
3 years ago
IWM keeps getting hammered as QQQ remains relatively unscathed. Lots of talk about rate hikes and the “sound” financial system but I’m not hearing much on Apple. Apple could have a bigger impact on the markets this week than all the talk about the FED. Will it be party on or the end of the party?
Thoughts?
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  Thetenyear
Tech stocks are a “safe haven” because everything else is risky, including US Treasury bonds with the hillbillies in the House playing chicken with default. The world is addicted to apple, microsoft, google so it’s a relatively safe place to stash money. I may end up stashing some money in these stocks even though they may correct over the next few months because I have nowhere else to stash cash.
IWM is also small businesses that rely heavily on loans from small and regional banks to do business. The regional bank crashes will clobber small businesses.
Cocoa
Cocoa
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
You put cash into MMs-treasurybacked Money Markets like:https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mutual-funds/summary/316341304
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  Cocoa
Is it really backed by treasury if there is a default? Those investments are worse in that they may have redemption limits. I can sell a stock anytime as long as there isn’t a trading halt.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Though only part of the problem … the power to guarantee ALL bank deposits does not reside with Yellen / Biden.
FDIC weighs in:
“The recent failures of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank, and the decision to approve Systemic Risk Exceptions to protect the uninsured depositors at those institutions, raised fundamental questions about the role of deposit insurance in the United States banking system,” FDIC Chairman Martin J. Gruenberg said in a statement released with today’s report.
Of the three options outlined in this report, the FDIC believes targeted coverage best meets the objectives of deposit insurance of financial stability and depositor protection relative to its costs. These proposed options would require Congressional action”
Good luck to getting the House on board with this (like NOW) while Debt Ceiling looms
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
It would be the FED doing the bailouts. Not the government. They would probably issue huge loans to banks in trouble.
atryingshepherd
atryingshepherd
3 years ago

I can’t bring myself anywhere near believing statements from any of the leaders of our institutions whether they’re in finance, education, medical, or political. The sad note is I’m likely very much unalone.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago

“Sound and Resilient” is a repeat of his statement at the March FOMC meeting.

If you have to keep repeating that message, what does that say?

That Jay Powell is going to hold higher longer (till something Breaks).
No good options, now. Kick the can one more time to re-inflate Bubble (and turbo charge inflation)? Or, Draw a line in sand to break Fed Put / Inflation / put a hurting on non banks + securitization will require Pain. Starting with small / medium banks.
Anyway, what happened to all the Bank Bailout talk of March?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Posted in the prior article but it’s more relevant here:
The problem is that ‘someone’ has to lose.
Banks bought 10 year US government debt at 1 and 2%
Those Banks used that 1-2% interest to pay .5% or less on savings accounts.
Now
that rates are 5%, people are pulling their savings accounts making .5%
and putting them in banks or money markets that pay say 3 or 4%
So
the bank can’t cover the deposits being withdrawn unless they sell the
government debt at a big loss (after all who wants 1 or 2% in a 5%
world). So the banks are going to go under.
If
they step in with QE, they are effectively printing *more* money (to
pay off the depositors) which is going to send inflation to the moon
(the very thing they are trying to get under control). If they don’t
step in, many Banks go under (those holding too many 1-2% bonds). The other option is monetizing the existing 1-2%
debt and rolling it back out at 4-5% but that would make government
interest payments go to the moon forcing massive cuts in spending. So
someone has to lose somewhere (banks, the government, consumers etc).
Place your bets and take your chances…
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“Banks bought 10 year US government debt at 1 and 2%
Those Banks used that 1-2% interest to pay .5% or less on savings accounts.
Now
that rates are 5%, people are pulling their savings accounts making .5%
and putting them in banks or money markets that pay say 3 or 4%
So
the bank can’t cover the deposits being withdrawn unless they sell the
government debt at a big loss (after all who wants 1 or 2% in a 5%
world). So the banks are going to go under.”
So it was a bad idea for Congress to tell FASB in March 2009, to allow banks to lie about the value of assets?
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
When Powell refers to the banking system, he means JP Morgan.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
He also means Goldman Sucks and BOA.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
I think Powell was very clear as to where we are. I had just watched the edited speech rather than the unedited linked to below.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Lol
atryingshepherd
atryingshepherd
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3

This is the greatest thing I’ve seen in quite sometime.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Classic.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
OMG! Will Powell’s head explode after someone put the truth in his mouth? Stay tuned; more at 11:00.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
Once the regional banks get wiped out, housing and related industries will take a huge hit. Got PUTS? Still holding and buying more PUTS on XHB for January 2024 expiry.
Mac Timred
Mac Timred
3 years ago
Attack of the shorts. Compounded by bad timing coincidence of TD / First Horizon merger being off (arbs lose).
Fed as a blind spot on market cap of banks – naturally as SEC regulates markets – but bank market caps feed into bank stability.
Short selling bank stocks should be subject to Fed oversight. In theory no bank is invulnerable to a short selling attack.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
Banning short selling is not the answer because its not the problem.
Truthorcon-sequences
Truthorcon-sequences
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Every short sale creates a synthetic. What they claim is liquidity is actually dilution.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Timred
You are correct.
I linked this a month ago – which some here pooh poohed – with comment that didn’t have to be a TBTF, Hedge funds could piranha any smallish / mediumish bank with mismatched duration (courtesy of a decade of ZIRP).

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