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Biden to Force Employers of 100+ Employees to Require Vaccinations or Weekly Tests

WhiteHouse.Gov details a Executive Order by president Biden that would force corporations to mandate vaccinations or weekly testing.

The Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is developing a rule that will require all employers with 100 or more employees to ensure their workforce is fully vaccinated or require any workers who remain unvaccinated to produce a negative test result on at least a weekly basis before coming to work. OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement. This requirement will impact over 80 million workers in private sector businesses with 100+ employees.

The President also signed an Executive Order directing that this standard be extended to employees of contractors that do business with the federal government. As part of this effort, the Department of Defense, the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Indian Health Service, and the National Institute of Health will complete implementation of their previously announced vaccination requirements that cover 2.5 million people.

To ensure that no worker loses a dollar of pay because they get vaccinated, OSHA is developing a rule that will require employers with more than 100 employees to provide paid time off for the time it takes for workers to get vaccinated or to recover if they are under the weather post-vaccination. This requirement will be implemented through the ETS.

Declaring Independence From a Deadly Virus

$14,000 Fines for Noncompliance

Please recall Biden’s 4th of July speech on Covid. 

“Today, we are closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus.”

Well, I guess not. 

Businesses that don’t comply face fines of up to $14,000 per violation.

Court Challenge Coming Right Up

The Outrage From Republicans was swift as noted by NPR.

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt said in a statement: “It is not the government’s role to dictate to private businesses what to do. Once again President Biden is demonstrating his complete disregard for individual freedoms and states’ rights. As long as I am governor, there will be no government vaccine mandates in Oklahoma.”

The vaccine mandate rule coming from the federal government, as opposed to being individually enforced, will shield many employers from facing the brunt of potential blowback, said employment lawyer Brett Coburn of firm Alston & Bird.

“I’m sure there will be a lot of employers who chafe at this for a variety of reasons, but some employers I think may welcome it,” he said. “It kind of takes it out of their hands to some extent to say, ‘Sorry, OSHA said we have to do this and we have to follow what OSHA tells us.’

“The CDC gives us guidelines. OSHA gives us rules. And that’s a really important distinction,” Coburn said, noting that he has seen a growing number of companies in the last month move toward vaccine requirements.

Is This Executive Order Constitutional

I highly doubt it, but it is a decision corporations can make on their own. Biden’s eviction mandate was unconstitutional as well and already went down in flames.

But neither party cares about such things these days. Look no further than the Clearly Unconstitutional Texas Anti-Abortion Bill

Expect the Texas hypocrites to scream the loudest. But don’t forget the Democrat  hypocrites who got upset with overturned Trumpian mandates.

Of course, two wrongs do not make a right nor do infinite wrongs make infinite rights.

So here we are. 

The bottom line is hypocrites on both side do not give a damn about the Constitution, rule of order, or precedent. 

Biden just gave the independents who do care about the Constitution yet another reason to think carefully about midterm voting decisions.

Then again, Texas did the same. 

A genuine middle of the road candidate would likely be elected in a landslide, especially one tilting conservative on spending and more liberal on social issues. 

However, a middle of the road candidate does not seem to have a chance at getting nominated.

Mish

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Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
RNA viruses have high mutation rates, as much as a million times higher than their host. Viruses mutate their way to extinction by changing into something weaker or less connected with their host than their notorious newsworthy parent. The variants are given cute names like Delta or Mu, but should probably be named Covid 20 and Covid 21. This would be more transparent, which truthfully much of the scientific community ignores. There was predecessor to Covid 19;  a Covid 18 that did not cause problems. Also viruses do not mutate like DO, RE, MI. They are more like Indian Sitar music with lots of notes in between.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
I’d say the major point here is requiring under 21s to be vaccinated. They’re a population that’s basically bulletproof, 1 death in 660,000 kids, according to my math. Does anyone know of any figures on what the side effects of the covid vaccines might be on kids?
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  astroboy
I think the super lotto’s odds are 1 in 300 million or so?
Cocoa
Cocoa
4 years ago
Covid is just pleasant coverfire for the financial system collapses of 2008, 2011 and 2019.  they jolt the dead body constantly and sometimes it comes alive for awhile. A terminal patient, in a dead long deflationary depression. Now governments need total citizen control, digital credits and mechanisms to remove and grant credits to people on their behavior merits. Welcome to your new Chinese overlord systems and impoverishment
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Biden’s speech is full of ideas that can be summarized as this…. “the vaccine gives protection to vaccinated from severe disease but the unvaccinated are a menace to them because their lifestyle and choice may overcrowd the common hospitals used by both vaccinated and unvaccinated”. That is really the CORE THEME of the vaccine mandate that Biden signed.
Many thanks to Captain Ahab who pointed that CDC made a HUGE HUGE change in the definition of VACCINATION. Read here:
“The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
Be afraid. The CDC made the language change to define a vaccine as ANY substance that boosts your immune response. Of course that include Vitamins, for example.
So, Biden administration makes this HUGE political change. Because you are fat, your immune system is weak, you are not fit, you drink or smoke too much, the hospitals are crowded because of you so by MANDATE, you must loose weight, you must exercise, you must take your vitamins every day. This is where Biden’s move will go. This is how liberty and choice go away.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Cases in the US, and in the world seem to have peaked, and are dropping. My belief is that with an R0 of 8, Covid burned quickly through the 20% who were unvaxed and who haven’t had Covid yet, plus some of the vaxed and some who have had it before, but now that the fuel is gone, Delta has nowhere left to go. My expectation is that cases will continue to fall, and that, barring some nasty variant, this will be the last wave. There will still be cases here and there forever, most likely, but hopefully no higher in annual fatalities than the flu.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I strongly disagree. You forget the vaxed. They do not have real immunity to Delta (as pointed by several scientific research that shows the natural immunity to be real many folds stronger than that of vaccine). My belief is that the vaxed will have to contract the disease in order to get natural immunity. To me , that is what the Israel, Iceland recent waves show. Lack of personal hygiene and relaxing the restrictions will cause waves in massively vaccinated countries.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
FWIW…. the Israeli study, on essentially the entire population of the country,  indicated that people who’d had covid have 12X the immunity that vaccinated people (who’d never had covid) do. That was before delta and of course things can get a little fuzzy based on how you define ‘immunity’ but it’s still an interesting finding. 
I’ve read elsewhere in the MSM that the vaccine gives you 11X the immunity than not having the vaccine does (that’s a bit better than the s moderna and prizer studies claimed but never mind, we’re spitballing here). if so, having covid gives you 132 times the immunity than no-vaccine does. Again, interesting numbers, if true.
At a guess, and I think this is reasonable, having had covid is going to give you 10Xs the  immunity to delta, lambda, mu, and whatever other damn strain shows up than the vaccine will. It makes you wonder if it wouldn’t be best just to vaccinate high risk people and let covid burn through the rest of the population. Especially the under 21s, where the death rate for healthy kids has been 1 in 660,000. I’d imagine that’s less than the death rate will be from vaccination….. I don’t see the moral justification for advocating for an experimental injection on a population that is already pretty much bulletproof and, who if they do get sick, will greatly reduce the spread of the virus, which benefits everyone else. I mean, it makes no sense to kill one healthy 12 year old to save a dozen ancient obese diabetics with a life expectancy of only a few years. 
Yeah, it’s playing God, but that’s the situation we’re in. Unfortunately.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  astroboy
“let covid burn through the rest of the population”
I have a post below asking just that – the gov’t just gave up and accepted this can’t be stopped, so they figure just let everyone get infected as quickly as possible, shoot up everyone to reduce the numbers dying or using up the hospital resources, and let everyone develop a natural immunity. You do that by redefining vaccination to rely on past interpretations of how great neutralizing vaccinations are, tell people if you’re vacc’d not to get tested, flat out ignore infections in the vacc’d to make it look like the vaccination works in preventing the spread, say if you’re vacc’d you’re safe, the unvacc’d are the enemy, allowing vacc’d to have less restrictions KNOWING they can get infected…
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
As someone who has had the vaccine, and who then, several months later, had Delta, why would you think I would forget the vaxed? Yes, depending on the vaccine, some people who are vaccinated will catch covid. Moderna does a better job of preventing cases than Pfizer, for example. Yet, most of the cases are mild. Many of them, or more likely, most of them, will never be tested, and they will never count as a case. It is simple enough: if a person had been vaccinated, and is exposed to Covid, if the antibodies they have from the vaccine are sufficient, great. If not, they will at least slow the virus down, and the body will develop additional antibodies.
Probably half the people who were vaccinated had covid before the vaccine. Probably 95% of the rest have by now been exposed to covid. I don’t see any great new pool of people vulnerable to infection. My prediction is that cases fall rapidly, and there is no further wave. What is your prediction? We can compare notes later, and see who was closer.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I would add that I made this prediction a couple weeks ago. I did not wait for the peak; while the surge was just beginning, I predicted that it would burn through the unvaccinated in a hurry, peak quickly, and be done.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
You can’t fix stupid, Carl.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
See the daily covid (delta) rates in the UK and India. Big spikes that dropped to nothing in a very short time. Just what you’d expect from a highly contagious germ. Based on their data the US spike is going to collapse within a week or two, which sort of negates the wisdom of the 100 million person experiment Biden is decreeing. Well, at least it drew attention away from Afghanistan. Wasn’t he supposed to be in Kabul on the 11th to make a speech about how the Taliban got its butt kicked?
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  astroboy
I’m not clear. It sounds like you are agreeing with me.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Following Webej’s post, and purely a thought exercise,
* the vaccine does not prevent infection and spread
* the vaccine does not prevent mutations
* if the vaccine worked, the unvacc’d should not be feared
* the vaccine as currently formulated cannot achieve herd immunity
* Israel is truly a real-world data trove supporting these points
* the vaccine does help extreme disease in those who are at risk
Perhaps the end goal of the current policy of vaccination is that the government gave up and accepts this cannot be stopped.
Perhaps the policy is that since you cannot stop it, vaccinate to mitigate the hospitalizations and death
Perhaps leading people to believe the vaccination works results in unnecessary exposure and infection, with manageable complications
The end result would be that everyone has the superior natural immunity at an accelerated pace?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
” the vaccine does not prevent infection and spread”
A half truth.. It greatly reduces both, some vaccines more than others.
“the vaccine does not prevent mutations”
It does if we reduce infections enough, because without COVID infections there are no viruses to mutate. Vaccination is arguably the very best way we have to reduce mutations.
“if the vaccine worked, the unvacc’d should not be feared”
Once again this is a half truth, because we know the vaccines protect most people from the most serious disease symptoms. .Good is not the enemy of perfect. And what if you’re a kid who isn’t eligible?
What about YOUR kid, if you haven’t been vaccinated and you unfortunately do catch COVID? 
“*the vaccine as currently formulated cannot achieve herd immunity”
Not sure if we ever get herd immunity. But it would be MUCH easier for that to happen if more people were vaxxed. What is happening now is that we have many people getting vaxxed and fairly well protected with some unfortunate breakthroughs…., and we have lots of unvaxxed people still getting really sick.
Between vaccinations and acquired immunity that occurs after surviving a COVID infection, we will soon (within a few months) have very few people left with zero antibodies anymore, and I expect infections to fall off rapidly at that point, barring some really nasty variant popping up.
We will get there with fewer deaths and fewer long term COVD zombies if we vaccinate instead of just letting stupid people get really sick. But we get there either way, if the entire healthcare system doesn’t get taxed to the breaking point first.
“Israel is truly a real-world data trove supporting these points”
For Pfizer only….but  none of your points so far are valid anyway . They’re all logical fallacies. Every one of them.
“the vaccine does help extreme disease in those who are at risk.’
Sort of.
Better to say it prevents serious disease for almost all the vaccinated, Unfortunately, a few breakthrough infections do result in extreme disease….and it can still be fatal. Once you have inflamed lungs, you’re pretty screwed.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
They aren’t logical fallacies and if you give me they’re at least half-truths, I’ll take it 🙂 None of this is 100% one way or the other.
I’m not anti-vaccination, but I’ve had it and recovered so it changes my perspective.
I guess my thought is it’s evident that they don’t work as originally advertised, and certainly not like the polio vaccine.
“Breakthrough” is also only defined as a vaccinated person who goes into the hospital – not merely infected who aren’t counted at all. Something the new data is showing happening at a pretty good pace – ie vaccinated people who get it and recover with a “real” T-cell/B-cell natural immunity without dying or going to the hospital.
All said, it appears the end goal is to allow everyone to get infected, and get the better natural immunity the best way we can.
It’s just something that could never be said publicly because it would be seen as a failure.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Some lies in your post.
Israel: Pfizer effectiveness in preventing symptomatic disease against Delta 39%
Janssen effectiveness: 33%
39% is not “greatly reduce”.
You cannot reduce infections with these types of vaccines. Don’t trust me, trust Mr. Kluge, WHO representative in Europe.
WHO expresses doubts about vaccines ending pandemic
And “What about YOUR kid, if you have been vaccinated and you unfortunately do catch COVID as the vaccine effect wanes after a short while?” Tell that to the Israelis.
” I expect infections to fall off rapidly at that point, barring some really nasty variant popping up.” That is a blatant lie. The flu did not disappear with large immunity and vaccination campaigns.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Lies?
That pisses me off. I’m a doctor trying to stay alive, and you’re just a jerk with Google and Facebook and not too much for brains, who is spreading more bullshIt.
Just stop it.
“Some lies in your post.
Israel: Pfizer effectiveness in preventing symptomatic disease against Delta 39%
Janssen effectiveness: 33%
39% is not “greatly reduce”.
Moron, look at the numbers in Israel. They have nearly 83000 cases and 99.25 of them are mild. You’re an idiot.
“Don’t trust me, trust Mr. Kluge, WHO representative in Europe.”
F**k you and Dr. Kluge, and the horse you rode in on. I turned down a post doc in Public Health at Harvard, probably before you learned to type  I don’t kiss anybody’s  *ss just because they have a name tag. 
Everybody has an opinion. I have less respect for the WHO than I do for most bureaucracies, and I don’t like any of ‘em. P*ss on your cherry-picked quotes.
” I expect infections to fall off rapidly at that point, barring some really nasty variant popping up.” That is a blatant lie. The flu did not disappear with large immunity and vaccination campaigns.”
No, stupid. It is not a lie, it’s my opinion, and that’s exactly how I couched it.
Listen carefully, moron. Flu is endemic. It is not a pandemic. This is also what COVID will be…endemic, and manageable, when we finally run through all the people with no exposure. If we don’t get some really nasty variant.
Btw, googlemeister, the Moderna vaccine was reported today to be 95% effective in preventing hospitalizations for COVID …the Pfizer as 80%, and J&J at 60%. That’s per the CDC, today.
Want some more, Cristi?  I can mop the floor with your stupid *ss. 
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I can mop the floor with stupid doctors, too. Between you, a phony manipulating doctor, dr Kluge from WHO or Sir dr Andrew Pollard (head of the Vaccine Group at Oxford who created the vaccine), I believe the later two. You spread fake news.
PS: Just for the record, I had not Covid and I do not intend to get it. Personal hygiene and open space are the best tool available to fight flu or SARS-Cov-2.
PPS: I just love when “pseudo-doctors” are getting nuts because people use google to search the scientific papers that prove their “knowledge” is obsolete or plain wrong. Stupid doctors then instead of embracing google and learn from that data, they are cursing the patients that dare to confront them. Like I said…. stupid doctors.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“Btw, googlemeister, the Moderna vaccine was reported today to be 95% effective in preventing hospitalizations for COVID …the Pfizer as 80%, and J&J at 60%. That’s per the CDC, today.”
It could be true for Moderna to be more efficient given the much higher dose vs Pfizer. But I also know this:
“Aug 25, 2021 — FDA suggests the rates of myocarditis after the Moderna-NIAID vaccine may be two-and-a-half times higher than after the Pfizer-BioNTech”
Which may make Moderna harder to get final approval since there is a safer product already on the market.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“Listen carefully, moron. Flu is endemic. It is not a pandemic. This is also what COVID will be…endemic, and manageable,”
Yes, moron, like the 2017-18 flu season when close to one million of Americans were hospitalized (per CDC).
Do you even know what is the difference between endemic and pandemic? Let me spell it out:. …. pandemic is about continents/countries that you cannot even point on the map.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
But, but, but whaddabout…….
39% of blah, blah ,blah..
Dr. Kluge sez…..
Get lost, you f**king idiot. You are nothing but a tr*ll.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
What’s the reference on the Israeli study that says Pfizer gives only 39% immunity? I’m not saying that’s untrue, I’d just like to read up it. That’s a big deal, if true. 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
“Of course, two wrongs do not make a right nor do infinite wrongs make infinite rights.”
But infinite wrongs do make for current day America. As well as progressivism in general.
And nothing is more infinitely wrong, in every single way possible, than turning every little facet of everybody’s life into nothing more than childish fodder for the negative-value-add, careerist, ambulance chasing trash which is loitering around kangaroo courts in totalitarian dystopias.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
“We’re going to protect vaccinated workers against unvaccinated workers”
I rest my case.
People immune by natural inoculation are still unmentioned, despite the fact that this is why mammals have survived to date.
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
“We’re going to protect vaccinated workers against unvaccinated workers.” the imbecile declared.
Hmm.  But if the vaccines you are illegally mandating actually work, then why would the vaccinated be at risk?
If
your position is that the vaccinated need to be protected from the
unvaccinated, you BY DEFINITION therefore DO NOT believe that the
vaccines work.  But then why are you mandating an experimental vaccine
for everyone?
It
isnt because, you know, Science.  As you say, you are not making any
allowance for people who have recovered from COVID, who have MORE
immunity than the vaccinated.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Funny the same people who did not want the shut down last year because of the effects on the economy are the same ones holding the economy back now.  
Willing to throw other peoples lives under the bus to keep things open and normal.  Now not willing to take the vax for themselves because they believe it to be dangerous.
If you want to take some med when you get covid that great.   You know whats better taking a vax that minimizes the chance getting sick enough yo be in a position to need those meds in the first place.  
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
The unCovaxxinated are not holding back the economy. The public health  agencies are. They are the ones blocking prophylactic use of Ivermectin. Point the finger in the right direction, at the public health agencies, which do not have our best interests in mind.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Arguably the unvaccinated are boosting the economy, in the same vein as when a hurricane hits New Orleans. My future mother-in-law refused to be vaccinated, and after a week at her local hospital, had to be life-flighted across the state to a major hospital where she has been in the ICU for two weeks. She most likely will go on ventilator later tonight as they aren’t able to keep her blood oxygen up even with 100% oxygen. My guess is that before it’s done, her hospital bill will be over $1 million. Just think about all that Federal money flowing into the economy.
Yes, it’s actually a very sad situation, but it was her choice. I’m sorry you all have to pay for it.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Oscar Delahoya was Covaxxed and wound up in the hospital. Your future mother-in-law could have wound up in the hospital if she had been Covaxxed. Through August 17th, 68 Covaxxed people in L.A. County  are listed as having died from Covid.
Dr. Zelenko kept all but 4 of 405 high risk patients of his, out of the hospital by early outpatient treatment.
I assume your future mother-in-law was deprived of early outpatient treatment of any kind. That is official protocol of most medical groups. What we are really paying for is the result of a lack of early treatment of a viral infection.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
She was not “deprived” of care. She might have been, except that she refused to have any. She fell prey to right wing conspiracy theories, and believed that Covid doesn’t really exist, and was just a conspiracy to inject some tagging device into us. Her whole family believed that, other than my fiance, who is a PA, and who has seen more than a few deaths from Covid, and who futilely tried to convince them it was real (and that they had it!). Her mother, brother, and sister all had Covid, and all refused to admit that it was even possible that they had Covid, and refused to be tested or cared for. The sister had a bad enough case that her blood oxygen level dropped enough that she passed out at work, and woke up hours later on the floor. The brother had a moderate case. It was only when the mother was near death that they bothered to take her to the hospital at all, where they were all required to be tested. Will the mother live? Going onto the ventilator, the odds are not good, and even if she lives, brain damage from low oxygen levels are possible. Will the others have any long term effects? I expect that the sister may, but it’s too early to know. You can’t blame the medical system for their bad outcomes, though; the blame rests solely on them.
Yes, it’s well established that some people who are vaccinated will end up in the hospital, and a very small number will die. The claim is that deaths are reduced 97%, not 100%. Still, 97% is pretty good odds.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
“A genuine middle of the road candidate would likely be elected in a landslide, especially one tilting conservative on spending and more liberal on social issues. “
This gets to the very heart of our national political failing.
Democrats can only nominate their worst candidates because only the ones willing to go along with the false narratives around race and gender can satisfy the modern equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition that is in control of the party now.
Sadly as far as I can see, it only gets worse  from here, for the foreseeable future. The pendulum has further to swing.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Declaring war on a quarter of the population is just nuts.  It’s the end of his administration, and probably the entire democratic party.  Think things now will return to normal in DC or anywhere else? lol, yeah sure.
dguillor
dguillor
4 years ago
I don’t understand why there hasn’t been a study with random sampling to determine how many people have either been infected or vaccinated. The proportion of the population that has been is high so you don’t need a large sample to get an accurate answer. That answer should be important in determining the best course.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  dguillor
They aren’t interested in best course. They are only interested in their agenda.
The WHO says Remdesivir doesn’t work, yet if you go to a U.S. hospital the PREP Act protocol is for you to receive Remdesivir as your treatment for Covid-19. Under the PREP Act, hospitals are indemnified against liability for any injury caused by Remdesivir. 
They don’t care how many people have natural immunity. They don’t care that natural immunity against Covid is apparently 7-13 times better than Covaxxed immunity. They want the spike protein pathogen injected into everyone’s body.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
THIS, precisely. The fact the CDC intentionally advises that the vacc’d NOT get tested, and doesn’t publish positive cases for those with a vacc, clearly demonstrates they don’t want to know if the vacc works (ie is protective and neutralizing)
Easy to have a pandemic of the unvacc’d when you ignore half the population in the study.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  dguillor
There hasn’t been a (released) study for the same reason that the CDC has just changed the definition of ‘vaccine’. It does NOT give immunity, but it MIGHT assist your immune response. The last thing  the CDC will do is validate their method/approach. They will, however, screw with the definitions of ‘success’, so that even Vitamin C qualifies as a vaccine.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I liked your post so much. Yes, vitamins become vaccines.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
4 years ago
“It is not the government’s role to dictate to private businesses what to do” – Kevin Stitt
Yet Abbot tries to ban companies from banning people/speech on social platforms, and Biden does this. Both sides suck, it’s a competition to suck the hardest. We all lose.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
OT completely, but I wanted to mention once again that the SBA is taking apps for additional COVID disaster loans. Very small businesses can apply for up to 500K now. This is another EIDL with 30 year money at 3.75%. 
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago

This will never pass Court challenges.Even the 3 liberal justices have consistently ruled against these sort of things, except in the case of the eviction moratorium.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
LMAO. Honestly, what did you expect from the Biden-Kamala administration?
A reminder to vaccine requirers:
CDC now defines ‘vaccine’ as: “A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
By this definition, Vitamin C qualifies.
The August 26 definition by CDC:
Vaccine– A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity
to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Whatever tribe you’re beating the drum for on this one, if vaccine mandates get COVID back under control and kids stop getting sick, you can bet your *ss this “draconian” measure will be seen as reasonable in the long run. 
Even if we vaccinate every man, woman and child, the sum total of all side effects, small, medium, and large, will almost certainly be a tiny fraction of the same effects caused by COVID. That’s just the math, like it or not. Idiot cuts-and-pastes not withstanding.
Fwiw, I reluctantly support this measure, since large swathes of the population are too dumb to understand the risk v. benefit equation on COVID vaccination. I’m still not sure it will get rates high enough to prevent a lot of personal and economic suffering in the short run.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
This mandate bothers me, not because it won’t help.  It will.

However, if the government has the right to “help” me out with my health why stop with a vaccine?  Why not regulate unhealthy food?  It kills just as many as COVID does every single year.  Why is COVID the only health crisis that matters?  

Obesity is an unarguably worse health crisis.  If COVID demands government intervention then so does obesity.

Yet, the freedoms you’d have to give up…..

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
“Why is COVID the only health crisis that matters?”
First, it’s not. Second, Covid cannot possibly be controlled at the individual level when so many people pretend it isn’t a real thing, or otherwise ignore simple common sense measures. It’s not like other people are making you fat, but it IS a fact that other people are preventing covid from being handled. The greater good, utilitarianism, and all that. vs Murca.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
A total of 188 kids under 15 years old have died in the US since Covid began. 4000 a year die from drowning:
More children ages 1–4 die from drowning than any other cause of death except birth defects.
For children ages 1–14, drowning is the second leading cause of unintentional injury death after motor vehicle crashes.
Since drowning cannot possibly be controlled at the individual level, the Federal government should step in and ban all swimming pools.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
As of 3 days ago:
“About 252,000 (pediatric) cases were added the past week, the largest number of child cases in a week since the pandemic began. After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 750,000 cases added between August 5 and September 2.”
Don’t try to hand wave this one away. It isn’t going to work. This is not last year’s COVID, and it’s quite serious, so you need to get up to speed.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
How many cases of the flu are there a year? Cases and deaths are very different creatures. No hand waving required.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
“Cases and deaths are very different creatures.”
Your arguments are so moronic I just have to respond…..even though it’s pointless.
We have hundreds of thousands of kids getting exposed, and testing positive. With delta, every one of those kids can transmit COVID to 6-8 other people, some of whom are adults….maybe their parents, for instance. Maybe you. Maybe me, the guy who tries to show up dependably to work each and every weekday, to take care of their teeth. 
Should I have to risk death because your offspring might not have his/her life threatened by COVID? How about the pediatrician you depend on? Their teacher?  Since school started here in Texas we’ve had multiple teachers DIE from COVID.
These whatabouts of yours  are all completely stupid. Get a clue.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Since other people drive drunk and it can’t possibly be controlled at the individual level, the Federal government should step in and allow no one to drive.
There is some serious Dark Ages reasoning going on surrounding Covid. The only science surrounding Covid is the creation of the vaccine itself. All policy decisions surrounding Covid have been a series of knee-jerk reactions that change weekly.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Ivermectin is safer than the Covaxxines.
10/22/2020 slide from FDA presentation
Draft working list of possible adverse event outcomes ***subject to change***
-Guillain-Barré syndrome
-Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
-Transverse myelitis
-Encephalitis /myelitis/encephalomyelitis/meningoencephalitis/meningitis/encephalopathy
-Convulsions/seizures
-Stroke
-Narcolepsy and cataplexy
-Anaphylaxis
-Acute myocardial infarction
-Myocarditis/pericarditis
-Autoimmune disease
-Deaths
-Preganacy and birth outcomes
-Other acute demyelinating diseases
-Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
-Thrombocytopenia
-Disseminated intervascular coagulation
-Venous thromboembolism
-Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
-Kawasaki disease
-Multisymptom Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
-Vaccine enhanced disease”
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
No Eddie_T.  For CHILDREN, the sum total of all side effects, small, medium, and large, will almost
certainly be a MORE THAN the same effects caused by COVID
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
USPS is exempt. The group most likely to contract and spread covid. They need the USPS to cheat in the mid terms, so there’s no way they’re going to make them mad. What a joke.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

Biden’s team desperately needs a win. The economy is
slipping badly, it’s losing a lot in the polls and don’t even mention
Afghanistan so covid is the only thing left but to claim victory they must be
seen as having eradicated it totally from the US and in their eyes the only way
to do that is by forcing everyone to take it. Since covid is worldwide
eradicating it from the US is like chasing after rainbows nevertheless when you
don’t have a clue of what to do you keep doing the same thing even if it makes
less and less sense.

Forced vaccination for covid sets a pattern. Should we
expect forced vaccination for the Flu now? There is an experimental vaccine for
HIV which has killed 60 million people in the world so you could make a case to
use it to eliminate HIV even if it is still experimental. We have vaccine
passports now with the infrastructure built so after covid what will we use it
for? STD’s maybe or any other communicable disease? I can see good arguments
for and against. It’s a new world that has just unfolded before our eyes. Lots
of investment possibilities although lots of worries about the ethical side. Nevertheless
there is no way of getting out of riding this tiger.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“HIV which has killed 60 million people in the world”
36 million. 
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

I dunno.I lived in Kenya for a short while, in an area where one in three people had HIV.  People were dropping all the time there and still are.Those deaths rarely will get counted as HIV deaths due to lack of access to health care.  People just die, get buried and no official records of their life or death ever existed.So I don’t think anyone truly knows the number….but it’s a lot.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
The sixty million number is close for total infections since the onset of HIV. No doubt the official number of HIV deaths involves some estimates, but it isn’t nearly that far off. Too many smart epidemiologists getting paid to keep track.
Just a slight correction, does not negate Doug’s point.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

Thanks for the correction Eddie. I am not infallible after
all. Only 36 million have died and 76 million have been infected
worldwide. HIV is a much deadlier disease than covid by a very great margin yet
the public health measures taken then were quasi-nonexistent. If we had taken
then the measures we have taken now then the 700,000 deaths in the US from
HIV would have been much less. Looking at the differences in response today vs
before I would hazard to say that risk is not from covid itself but from a
possible future infectious disease yet unnamed that could come on the heels of
this one. Simply put it looks like a dry run to discover the weak points in
implementing a truly effective anti-pandemic plan. The biggest weak point to
date that was impossible to ignore was the weak response of local leaders to
the pandemic and which resulted in allowing widespread gatherings. In a
true emergency that would not have been allowed. There are many other problems
that have become apparent and will have to be corrected. I see Gottlieb has
come out to say that gain of function has also been financed for MERS which is
chilling if true.

Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“yet the public health measures taken then were quasi-nonexistent. “
Well, I have to take a slight exception there too, although I forgive you for not knowing how much HIV changed my life and that of all my colleagues  when the CDC came out with their Guidelines for Bloodborne Pathogens in 1993.
At that time the AIDS crisis here had already wound down…the government always locks the barn after the horse has gone….I treated a fair number of people with HIV back in the day, mostly kids who were hemophiliacs….and all of them had died by ’93. A lot of people got AIDS from blood transfusions, including Isaac Asimov. Even one of my kids was a near miss, having come close to needing a transfusion when she born with a case of ABO incompatibility and got very jaundiced.
But under the guise of protecting our employees the CDC and subsequently OSHA upped the standards for infection control in dentistry by light years….and compliance was and still is a pain in the *ss.
Overall I rate it as a good thing….but like all regs, some of it was bs, and in general it drove up our costs with regards to handling contaminated waste like you wouldn’t believe.
It’s so different now than it was before the guidelines that it’s like night and day. I’d say that we are today primary beneficiaries of what they put us through back then, because gearing up for CVID was way easier since we already were taking universal precautions and had been for decades.
That’s why I don’t think any of these state lawsuits is going to matter. OSHA simply trumps state law in these matters. The protections for workers are federal law, and Biden is being cagier than most people realize by invoking OSHA…I expect it to stand. If it doesn’t it will be a major change from precedent.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

But weren’t those guidelines put into place to protect
specifically medical workers only and were not concerned with classic methods
of infectious disease control such as quarantines and closing down centers of
disease dispersal? In the early 80’s if we had been able to do that then many
lives would have been saved albeit at the cost of infected individuals having a
minor loss of certain liberties until things could be under control but a deliberate decision was made not to apply public health measures.

Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Just when one thinks one can trust an administration!  /s
 
“On December 4, 2020, Biden said the vaccine would not be imposed by mandate. “No, I don’t think it
should be mandatory,” he said. “I wouldn’t demand it be mandatory.”

Psaki’s comments came even more recently, on July 23, 2021. “That’s not the role of the federal government,” she said when asked about such mandates. “That’s the role that institutions, private-sector entities, and others, may take.

A week later, on July 31, Walensky corrected a comment she had made that some interpreted as being supportive of a federal
mandate. “There will be no nationwide mandate,” she said. “I was
referring to mandates by private institutions and portions of the
federal government. There will be no federal mandate.””
Pushing an entire population to use a mitigation method that isn’t absolute forces mutations preferentially to those that result in “breakthrough” cases.  An analogy would be glyphosate-resistant weeds becoming more common as the weed killer is sprayed in increasing amounts.
If one reduces/eliminates their “co-morbidities” then one is helping oneself and the health care system.  Leave the vaccines for those who can’t (or won’t) to help maintain their efficacy.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Hell, I’m almost hoping for Trump’s return at this point!  
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
I think this is probably about the last big Covid wave that causes a lot of deaths and hospitalizations here in the US. Nearly everyone has had Covid already especially with this latest super infectious Delta variant. The only things to worry about now are ADE(anti-body dependent enhancement), excess vaccinating causing selection pressures creating variants that escape the vaccines, or long term negative effects from the vaccines. These are worries of the vaccinated only and probably pretty low risk.
It’s crazy to make vaccine mandates and to force people to get vaxxed. Provide people with as accurate as possible data and let them make the decision for themselves.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
But of course that doesn’t stop anyone.  Read in the local paper today that the head honcho of the school district is proposing that vaccination be required for any student to participate in extracurricular activities.  He states that participating in such activities is a “privilege” for the vaccinated only.
And here I thought that the taxes people paid for schools entitled their kids to all classes and activities!
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
That has been my worry.  I am opposed to my healthy high school daughter get the mRNA tech injected.  LA County is already trying to force this.  Fauci is in favor of it once the FDA approves it.  I do not trust the FDA.  At all.  Risks to school age children miniscule.  Risk from vaccine itself higher.
I went to the recent school board meeting where Superintendent switched at last minute from mask suggested to mask required.  This is a rich, staid area.  Meeting had to be moved to HS Auditorium so many showed up.  Decision already made.  Our state Health commissioner, who hasnt had an original thought in her head ever, grabbed for the additional state money from the America Rescue Act or whatever it is and just went with CDC.  Didnt REQUIRE masks technically, but basically did.  Meeting was less than cordial.  I can tell you if they try to deny education unless your kids, who dont need it (CDC says a little over 400 school age have died in 18 months in entire US out of over 70 million kids), except for those with leukemia or other severe comorbidity, if they require they get the experimental vaccine (again I do not care if FDA says it is safe, they can not be trusted) the future meetings will be MUCH less cordial.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  tbergerson
412 people under 18 years old in the US have died of Covid so far, but only 188 under the age of 15. It is complete insanity to require Covid vaccination for all children given these death rates.
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Actually the number UNDER 15 is 286 as of Sep 4th.   But of those 286 under 15, 98 are infants under 1, which is always the highest death number due to other reasons.  Absent those it is 188.  412 under 18 yes, again 314 excluding the under 1 infants.  The adverse effects on the 70+ Million under 18 FROM the vaccine will almost CERTAINLY be much worse than the number of deaths, and even if you include  Long COVID or other serious effects.
So despite the uneducated drivel spewed forth by Realist above, the benefits DO NOT outweigh the risks for KIDS for anyone with a brain
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Joe Rogan for President 2024! Is he middle of the road enough for everybody?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
I predict he dies before November 2024.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
From Covid?
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
It is interesting that biden left out the post office in his edict.  I suppose 640,000 union members (voting democrat) had something to do with it, obviously not the science. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Based on most recent update they will have to follow private sector rules as well. Vaccine or negative test every week. 
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Already reading on ZeroHedge (via the Washington Post) that there is a provision for the Postal Union to be exempt from the forced Vax order. Clearly Biden fears taking on the unions since he needs their votes.
If true, this will shoot the whole order down in flames because if they can be opted out then everyone else should be able to be opted out too (unless some animals are more equal that others. LOL) and he will shortly look like a colossal fool for issuing this order just like Texas is going to look foolish when their abortion law gets over turned.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Great article!
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Benjamin Franklin
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Similarly:
“Those who deny freedom for others deserve it not for themselves.”
Abraham Lincoln, 16th US President
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
In what way are you not free if the government imposes no restrictions? 30 million people were thrown out of a job due to government action. Covid didn’t tell anyone what to do. It is up to people who don’t want Covid, like me and everyone else, to take personal initiative and responsibility to protect themselves.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
The quote wasn’t directed at you.  Head over to any NYT article, like this one – https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/health/vaccine-mandates-cdc.html
Peruse the reader comments.  See the overwhelming number of people who want to segregate the unvaxxed, deny them the ability to participate in society, raise their health insurance,  refuse to treat them in the hospital, tak their kids away from them and so much more.  It’s downright scary!
I do battle with these losers all the time but much of the time, my comments/replies get censored out.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
4 years ago
The pandemic is a public health problem not a politically fake, foreign disinformational or irrationally paranoid personal rights issue. The public health trumps every other objection. Get over it and get vaccinated.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
LOL<  get busy and start cleaning your windows…
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
We’re already in big trouble with Covid. Vaccine passports will just make the situation much worse, talk about digging yourself into a bigger hole! 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
USA vaccination cards are single focus.  Unlike the EU Pass, they do not allow for people who have had a past Covid infection, have developed strong antibodies and do not need to be vaccinated to protect others (which doesn’t work anyway as the vaccines do not actually kill the Covid virus).  The EU pass considers past infection equal to vaccination.
With many already immune due to past infections and new Covid antivirals coming to market in the next 6 months, most people will not need vaccinations or the vaccination cards.
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Harvard Epidemiologist Says the Case for COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished
New research found that natural immunity offers exponentially more protection than COVID-19 vaccines.
Monday, August 30, 2021
A newly published medical study found that infection from COVID-19 confers considerably longer-lasting and stronger protection against the Delta variant of the virus than vaccines.
“The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a ‘Don’t try this at home’ label,” the Scientific American reported Thursday. “The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”
Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.
    In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease [95%CI:13-57, adjusted for time of vaccine/disease]. No COVID deaths in either http://group.medrxiv.org/content/
    — Martin Kulldorff (@MartinKulldorff) August 25, 2021
A Death Blow to Vaccine Passports?
The findings come as many governments around the world are demanding citizens acquire “vaccine passports” to travel. New York City, France, and the Canadian provinces of Quebec and British Columbia are among those who have recently embraced vaccine passports.
….
Henry_MixMaster
Henry_MixMaster
4 years ago
Sure glad you aren’t an attorney, Mish.
You got that one 100% wrong.
That flaming liberal Richard Milhous Nixon signed into law the legislation that allows the administration to do exactly what Biden proposes. It’s not even a close case.
dtj
dtj
4 years ago
The big news here is that federal workers no longer have the option to get tested every week instead of getting vaxxed.
The more they push these vaccines, the more I distrust them. It’s nothing but diabolical.
Vaccine passports are coming. You will have to get whatever vaccine the government decides you need plus all boosters when they say you need them for years into the future. Ready for that?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  dtj
I had to do that to enter the country in 1978. I became a citizen in 1989. You are paranoid.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Which vaccines did you have to take?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Biden is digging the Dems into a deeper hole.
But be patient, in approximately a year, when we are in the 7th Covid surge and Fauci is asking for just a  few more months of discipline, I believe it likely that the political pendulum will swing in the opposite direction from today. 
Come next year’s midterm elections, I predict that not only Congress but many state and local governments will change to Republican political control as the unheard majority vote against liberal nannyism and for personal freedom.
At that time, I hope that all the health officials who fanned the flames of Covid fear get replaced and that laws be put in place to prevent future health officials or agencies from issuing any kind of general commands, proscriptions or orders.  All health officials/agencies should be allowed to do is make recommendations to their political leaders.  They should also be banned from appearing on any cable or network TV news show.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

The Dems will win because they are more vaccinated. Republicans are dying at a rate of 8 to 1 from Covid. By the midterms a huge voting block will be dead. 

ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Do you really believe the things you post?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  ajc1970
He clearly gets his news from CNN. One of the few who haven’t figured out they’re a political organization. Not a news source. He has no idea what’s really going on.
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I really wonder what the DNC’s exit plan is…
They’re cementing the extremes but driving swing voters to the right.
When they realize the damage, they’ll want to change course, but their base will have none of it because they’ve been stoked into such extreme fear. Dems will have very limited ability to navigate 2022.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
When the government declares war on its own people you know it’s the beginning of the end for America.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Boy, ain’t that the truth?  The failure in Afghanistan wasn’t bad enough, Puddinhead has to take bring it here back home. Total and complete failure as POTUS
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
“Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt said in a statement: “It is not the government’s role to dictate to private businesses what to do”
OMG I’m LMAO, is that a serious statement?  There are literally a million things the government tells private businesses to do or not do.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
FWIW the constitution isnt the be all end all document to make decisions. Precedence of court cases is also a huge factor.  
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Actually, the Constitution (capital C) IS the be all and end all.  No law that is deemed to be in conflict with it survives.  Of course that is the rub.  The deeming, which depends on justices to to it.  And those justices, at all levels, are not very reliable.  Precedent (stare decisis) is weighty, but not inviolable either
Freddy
Freddy
4 years ago
According to Pfizer’s study
(1) Vaccine Efficacy (VE) is 97%.  
If you actually read the report they based it on 
(A1) Treatment group SAE (Severe Adverse Events) of Covid = 1 out of about 21,926.
(A2) Placebo group SAE = 30 out of about 21,921.
So, they claim to save 29/30 people from SAE = 96.7% from SAE due to Covid.
(2) They hide the fact that 
(B1) Treatment group SAE not of Covid = 262
(B2) Placebo group SAE not of Covid = 150
(3) Thus, total SAE
(C1) Treatment group SAE total = 1+ 262 = 263
(C2) Placebo group SAE total = 30 + 150 =180
So, the total SAE is actually worse for the Treatment group by 46% = 263/180 = 1.46
In summary, instead of the Vaccine being favorable for SAEs by +97%, it is actually worse off by -46%.
Do you want to take a vaccine that will result in you being 46% worse off in Severe Adverse Events?
And, this is the study numbers Pfizer rely on to get the vaccine approved?
And, they are going to force it on everybody?
On top of the above, the Pfizer study is not reviewed by independent experts
in 8/2020: “FDA committed to use an Advisory Committee composed of independent experts to ensure deliberations
about authorization and licensure are transparent to the public.  
By 8/2021, “FDA now says it won’t convene its advisory committee.”
This is like Pfizer sending UNAUDITED financial statements to the SEC…and the SEC accepting it.
The Pfizer study was reviewed by 3 Pfizer employees….is that a joke?   
And, we are using this study to get the vaccine approved and forced on everybody?
What about deaths (one of the 2 only things of importance being studied)?
(D1) Treatment group deaths = 15 
(D2) Placebo group deaths = 14
Then they unblinded the groups in 12/2020….and,
(E1) Treatment group additional deaths = 2
(E2) Placebo group who switched to being vaccinated = 3
So, total actual deaths
(F1) Treatment group deaths = 20
(F2) Placebo group = 14.
That means, the vaccine is worse off by 43% = 20/14 = 1.43
Do you want to take a vaccine that will result in you being 43% worse off in deaths?
 
Henry_MixMaster
Henry_MixMaster
4 years ago
Reply to  Freddy
Thank you, Internet Medical Researcher.
Your degree from the University of Google is impressive.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
I fail to understand why you would criticize someone for
using the internet to search for data in order to make informed decisions. What
would you rather have him do? 
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  Freddy
The EudraVigilance database reports that through August 28, 2021 there are 23,252 deaths and 2,189,537 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:

From the total of injuries recorded, almost half of them (1,076,917) are serious injuries.

Seriousness provides information on the suspected undesirable effect; it can be classified as ‘serious’ if it corresponds to a medical occurrence that results in death, is life-threatening, requires inpatient hospitalisation, results in another medically important condition, or prolongation of existing hospitalisation, results in persistent or significant disability or incapacity, or is a congenital anomaly/birth defect.”

 Here is the summary data through August 28, 2021.

Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTechPfizer: 11,266 deathand 900,032 injuries to 28/08/2021

  • 24,626   Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 152 deaths
  • 24,450   Cardiac disorders incl. 1,683 deaths
  • 236        Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 19 deaths
  • 11,949   Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 8 deaths
  • 641        Endocrine disorders incl. 5 deaths
  • 14,081   Eye disorders incl. 27 deaths
  • 80,253   Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 478 deaths
  • 236,236 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 3,176 deaths
  • 1,001     Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 53 deaths
  • 9,767     Immune system disorders incl. 62 deaths
  • 30,314   Infections and infestations incl. 1,101 deaths
  • 11,643   Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 173 deaths
  • 22,593   Investigations incl. 360 deaths
  • 6,702     Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 201 deaths
  • 119,503 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 142 deaths
  • 702        Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 60 deaths
  • 159,148 Nervous system disorders incl. 1,242 deaths
  • 1,057     Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 33 deaths
  • 158        Product issues incl. 1 death
  • 16,281   Psychiatric disorders incl. 150 deaths
  • 3,070     Renal and urinary disorders incl. 187 deaths
  • 14,312   Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 3 deaths
  • 40,048   Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 1,330 deaths
  • 43,727   Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 99 deaths
  • 1,605     Social circumstances incl. 14 deaths
  • 770        Surgical and medical procedures incl. 30 deaths
  • 25,159   Vascular disorders incl. 477 deaths

Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine mRNA-1273(CX-024414) from Moderna: 6,029 deathand 254,648 injuriesto 28/08/2021

  • 4,952     Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 56 deaths
  • 7,573     Cardiac disorders incl. 646 deaths
  • 103        Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 1 death
  • 3,189     Ear and labyrinth disorders
  • 202        Endocrine disorders incl. 2 deaths
  • 3,970     Eye disorders incl. 14 deaths
  • 22,184   Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 222 deaths
  • 68,484   General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 2364 deaths
  • 425        Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 24 deaths
  • 2,159     Immune system disorders incl. 11 deaths
  • 7,591     Infections and infestations incl. 385 deaths
  • 5,540     Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 113 deaths
  • 5,006     Investigations incl. 115 deaths
  • 2,478     Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 136 deaths
  • 31,975   Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 121 deaths
  • 311        Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 35 deaths
  • 45,022   Nervous system disorders incl. 609 deaths
  • 497        Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 5 deaths
  • 51           Product issues
  • 4,940     Psychiatric disorders incl. 105 deaths
  • 1,510     Renal and urinary disorders incl. 103 deaths
  • 2,685     Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 3 deaths
  • 11,165   Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 582 deaths
  • 13,810   Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 51 deaths
  • 1,093     Social circumstances incl. 25 deaths
  • 827        Surgical and medical procedures incl. 67 deaths
  • 6,906     Vascular disorders incl. 234 deaths

Total reactions for the vaccine AZD1222/VAXZEVRIA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) from Oxford/ AstraZeneca4,991 deathand 965,095 injuries to 28/08/2021

  • 11,578   Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 203 deaths
  • 16,203   Cardiac disorders incl. 583 deaths 
  • 152        Congenital familial and genetic disorders incl. 4 deaths
  • 11,275   Ear and labyrinth disorders
  • 489        Endocrine disorders incl. 4 deaths
  • 17,011   Eye disorders incl. 20 deaths 
  • 94,956   Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 252 deaths
  • 253,946 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1,220 deaths
  • 812        Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 48 deaths
  • 3,901     Immune system disorders incl. 22 deaths
  • 24,029   Infections and infestations incl. 316 deaths
  • 10,935   Injury poisoning and procedural complications incl. 139 deaths
  • 21,159   Investigations incl. 110 deaths 
  • 11,489   Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 67 deaths
  • 146,103 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 69 deaths
  • 498        Neoplasms benign malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 15 deaths 
  • 201,405 Nervous system disorders incl. 793 deaths
  • 420        Pregnancy puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 10 deaths
  • 152        Product issues incl. 1 death
  • 18,212   Psychiatric disorders incl. 43 deaths
  • 3,545     Renal and urinary disorders incl. 46 deaths
  • 12,688   Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 1 death
  • 33,846   Respiratory thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 602 deaths
  • 44,417   Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 35 deaths
  • 1,253     Social circumstances incl. 6 deaths
  • 1,099     Surgical and medical procedures incl. 21 deaths
  • 23,522   Vascular disorders incl. 361 deaths

Total reactions for the COVID-19 vaccine JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) from Johnson & Johnson966 deaths and 69 762 injuries to 28/08/2021

  • 644        Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 27 deaths
  • 1,108     Cardiac disorders incl. 110 deaths
  • 25           Congenital, familial and genetic disorders
  • 485        Ear and labyrinth disorders
  • 37           Endocrine disorders incl. 1 death
  • 931        Eye disorders incl. 4 deaths
  • 6,462     Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 44 deaths 
  • 18,312   General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 239 deaths
  • 90           Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 8 deaths
  • 283        Immune system disorders incl. 7 deaths
  • 1,471     Infections and infestations incl. 47 deaths
  • 645        Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 12 deaths
  • 3,683     Investigations incl. 62 deaths
  • 392        Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 19 deaths
  • 11,232   Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 22 deaths
  • 30           Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 2 deaths
  • 14,569   Nervous system disorders incl. 118 deaths
  • 25           Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 1 death
  • 18           Product issues
  • 905        Psychiatric disorders incl. 10 deaths
  • 254        Renal and urinary disorders incl. 9 deaths
  • 629        Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 3 deaths
  • 2,411     Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 84 deaths
  • 2,138     Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 4 deaths
  • 192        Social circumstances incl. 3 deaths
  • 522        Surgical and medical procedures incl. 35 deaths
  • 2,269     Vascular disorders incl. 95 deaths

*These totals are estimates based on reports submitted to http://www.adrreports.eu/en/background.html. Totals may be much higher based on percentage of adverse reactions that are reported. Some of these reports may also be reported to the individual country’s adverse reaction databases, such as the U.S. VAERS database and the UK Yellow Card system. The fatalities are grouped by symptoms, and some fatalities may have resulted from multiple symptoms.

 In spite of all these recorded injuries and deaths, most countries around the world are now preparing to roll out a 3rd Pfizer “booster” shot, as well as authorizing the COVID shots for young children, under the age of 12.

While the alleged COVID-19 “virus” has almost NO impact on deaths among young people, tragically, we cannot say the same for these experimental shots.

Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
I want no Covid vaccine. How do I choose the best of the worst? I looked at the severe side effects as listed on the CDC website. The JnJ vaccine using more traditional technology was shown to cause death to some women taking birth control. The new mRNA technology has lead to myocarditis in young adults. So both vaccines tend to harm younger people than older people. And given that I am not legally permitted to sue the any of the 3 vaccine companies for negligence or a defective product, I want a vaccine that does the least damage the rest of my life. I’m inclined to go with JnJ even though it has been shown to be less effective.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) AND THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE
There is a remote chance that the vaccine could cause a severe allergic reaction. A severe allergic reaction would usually occur within a few minutes to one hour after getting a dose of the vaccine. For this reason, your vaccination provider may ask you to stay at the place where you received your vaccine for monitoring after vaccination. Signs of a severe allergic reaction can include:
• Difficulty breathing
• Swelling of your face and throat
• A fast heartbeat
• A bad rash all over your body
• Dizziness and weakness
Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) orthe Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
In most of these people, symptoms began within a few days following receipt of the second dose of vaccine. The chance of having this occur is very low. You should seek medical attention right away if you have any of the following symptoms after receiving the vaccine:
• Chest pain
• Shortness of breath
• Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
Side effects that have been reported with COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine include: 
• severe allergic reactions
• non-severe allergic reactions such as rash, itching, hives, or swelling of the face
• myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
• pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
• injection site pain
• tiredness
• headache
• muscle pain
• chills
• joint pain
• fever
• injection site swelling
• injection site redness
• nausea
• feeling unwell
• swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy)
• diarrhea
• vomiting
• arm pain
These may not be all the possible side effects of the vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur. The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Myocarditis is a common side effect of Covid as well.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
More common than with the vax i hear
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago

Today, we are closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus.”

Well, I guess not. 

Wrong. At the time we were closer. And today we are even closer. 
There is a simple thing hospitals and insurance companies  can do for unvaccinated patients that take up valuable space. Send them the bill if they show up at the hospital unvaccinated with covid and let them know that unvaccinated patients will not be covered by any insurance and have to pay 100% of the bill on their own. 
Also OSHA is a sneaky way but it can hold up in court. And it gives companies cover to fire unvaccinated employees.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
The argument against OSHA is that a safety rule must apply equally across ALL sizes of business.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
You are paying for the denial of early intervention treatment of Covid patients. Joe Rogan hit Covid with Ivermectin and had no need for hospitalization. So many have wound up in the hospital as they were denied such treatment.
So many have died because they were denied early intervention outpatient treatment. Hundreds of thousands could have been saved by early outpatient intervention.
Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
“For those that don’t know, Peru did a massive campaign with ivermectin in last half of 2020. The mortality dropped 14 fold over 3 months. A new president came in – and stopped the campaign. And deaths rose 13 fold over the next month.”
According to the PREP Act, Remdesivir is the standard hospital treatment. The WHO recommends against using Remdesivir, as they say it doesn’t work. Why are U.S. hospitals using as a standard of care, a drug the WHO says doesn’t work? Regulatory capture by the Big Pharma companies. It is the reason an Alshiemer’s  drug that 10 of 11 advisory committee members, said didn’t work,, got approved by the FDA, anyway. Regulatory capture by the Big Pharmaceautical companies they are charged with regulating. By the way, CO, that one comes with a price tag of $56,000 a year, that you will be paying for those patients out of your insurance premiums.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
This isnt Peru. Ivermectin tears out your stomach lining amongst other things and was initially created for animals and then applied to humans not for viruses. You are better off taking a placebo. 
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
I don’t buy Ivermectin as a miracle COVID treatment, but this hyperbole about it’s for horses not humans and it “tears out your stomach lining amongst other things” is disingenuous and says more about you and your politics than about the drug.  It’s safer than aspirin and perfectly fine for humans when pX’d and taken in proper doses.
I’m stuck between fools who consider it their first line of defense against COVID and fools like you who caught a CNN headline and spout it out as if it’s wisdom.
This is like the perfect metaphor for the State of our Union.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
IV doesn’t do that in normal, doctor prescribed doses, and IV (pre-COVID) had shown promise as an anti-viral inhibitor (not cure) for many virus types (from the NIH, nonetheless). So it has been proven to help stop the propagation of the virus in real people in hundreds of millions of souls a year across the world. At least the EU and Israel are truly evaluating it for COVID.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  Yooper

I dont get it.  People are ok waiting to get sick to take a drug that is safe for humans but being evaluated for covid.  But they are not ok taking a vax which minimizes the chance of getting sick in the first place.  Oh and the vax has passed clinical trials and has a track record of success.  

Crazy times.  
The whole pandemic/ election has made me wonder why people believe what the believe.   Myself included.   
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Ha ha ha.  Looks like the Houston Press assigned their top scientist to write a story about ivermectin scientific studies.  Also sounds and looks like a wonderful person. /s
“JEF ROUNER is a contributing writer who covers politics, pop culture, social justice, video games, and online behavior. He is often a professional annoyance to the ignorant and hurtful.”
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The point you make cannot be stressed enough.  FDA and CDC are BOUGHT by Pfizer and Moderna, who have several HUNDRED billion dollars riding on it.  The failure to even seriously investigate early outpatient treatments is the CAUSE of all other problems.  It represents the total and complete failure of the medical establishment.  it is a Crime Against Humanity as defined by the UN.  They have KILLED hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed the lives of countless millions of others just in the US.  If you look at the treatment protocol web pages of FDA, CDC or NIH, they all say, well just go home.  If you are about to die, go to the hospital and we will treat you with some stuff that doesnt work, some steroids, which might help, and then intubate and kill you.  Because we get paid A LOT if this is the outcome.  Incentives define everything.
CO2020 is either a paid Pharma troll, or just a clueless leftist bent on destruction, mayhem and death
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
You clearly don’t understand the way government works. Their goal is to reward the irresponsible and punish the responsible in direct proportion to said level of (ir)responsibility.
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
“A genuine middle of the road candidate would likely be elected in a landslide…”
biden was that “middle of the road” candidate.  if you believe the election results, he was elected in a landslide.  if you think leadership in dc is the problem, you’re looking in the wrong place.  george carlin had it right.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  anoop
Biden’s Platform was not middle of the road – then he morphed into AOC
Biden won because he was not Trump
Trump won because he was not Hillary 
Obama won with a clever lie “Change you can believe in”. 
People believed but there was no change.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Jerry it’s not a lie if you believe it.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
“Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true”
–Francis Bacon
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Lots of people knew he would morph into AOC because his whole party had already morphed into AOC.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Mish guess depends on where you draw the line on the road.  Both parties are getting pulled to the ditch by their extreme voter base.  It seems the republicans more since their voter base in general is shrinking.  Which makes the average dem look more closer to the middle.  
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  anoop
Mish’s response to you is correct, but so is your statement about Carlin.

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